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Quack

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Posted: June 28 2014,06:26

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Lethian:

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If I were Sal, and had a lick of intellectual honesty, I would have went digging in the primary literature.

If you were Sal, you wouldn't have a lick of intellectual honesty.

If you were Sal, you wouldn't want to read this honest creationist.

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Posted: June 28 2014,23:40

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From that thread:

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I don’t understand why Dembski, Meyer, Luskin et al. rest on their laurels and never referred to your work. Thus, I would appreciate if the DI would offer you the chance to present your concepts during their next summer school or if they would invite you to the next ID Alaskan cruise.

BM40 -- sock or sap?

KF misses the point:

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44 kairosfocus June 28, 2014 at 5:23 am
F/N: Why am I underscoring the studious silence of objectors to the design inference as manifested in the significance of FSCO/I?

Precisely because it is the pivot of the real issue.

Or would he count Dembski, Meyer, Luskin et al. as objectors to the design inference?

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Posted: June 29 2014,10:47

Quote (Patrick @ June 27 2014,08:50)

Sal should start off in /r/explainlikeimfive and work his way up. Slowly, no doubt.

Reddit would have to start a whole series - /r/explainlikeimsix etc

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Posted: June 29 2014,16:14

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Posted: June 29 2014,16:24

Quote (Driver @ June 29 2014,16:14)

KF is embarrassing himself most deliciously.

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Posted: June 30 2014,05:10

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Quote (Driver @ June 29 2014,16:14)

KF is embarrassing himself most deliciously.

It's kinda boggling the way he just blithely relies upon and repeats entirely materialist arguments and then claims he's answered the question.

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Posted: June 30 2014,17:20

So what ya'll are saying is that rock science is over his head?

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Posted: June 30 2014,17:26

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So what ya'll are saying is that rock science is over his head?

I think it's more that he has rocks in his head.

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Posted: June 30 2014,21:41

Bill ... Now .... There ... Majestic.

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Posted: July 01 2014,06:18

Gneiss.

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Posted: July 01 2014,06:38

Quote (Henry J @ June 30 2014,17:20)

So what ya'll are saying is that rock science is over his head?

Geology Lite - Rockette Science

Henry J

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Posted: July 01 2014,11:36

Quote (KevinB @ July 01 2014,05:38)

Quote (Henry J @ June 30 2014,17:20)

So what ya'll are saying is that rock science is over his head?

Geology Lite - Rockette Science

Oh, then it's how he gets his kicks?

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Posted: July 01 2014,12:59

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12 cantor July 1, 2014 at 9:46 am

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Dr. Dembski has always struck me as a person who God has blessed

whom

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14 bornagain77 July 1, 2014 at 11:30 am
Thank you Cantor. I’m sure many more mistakes can be found in my writing and punctuation besides my inappropriate use of who and whom in this instance. But it is nice to know that at least this one mistake in my writing and punctuation is policed thoroughly.

I didn't expect that anybody is actually reading any of BA77. Must have been the first reaction since ages.

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Posted: July 01 2014,13:20

Mapou....

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He needs to explain what makes it fundamental. IOW, he needs to answer the question, what is information made of?

I don't think Mapou understands what 'fundamental' means.

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Posted: July 01 2014,21:25

Displaying the sharp and subtle thinking that has always characterized him, BA77 gives us a new proof of the existence of God:

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Digital Physics Argument for God’s Existence – video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas

Digital Physics Argument
Premise 1: Simulations can only exist is a computer or a mind.
Premise 2: The universe is a simulation.
Premise 3: A simulation on a computer still must be simulated in a mind.
Premise 4: Therefore, the universe is a simulation in a mind (2,3).
Premise 5: This mind is what we call God.
Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.

In other news, view the video in the OP and note that Dembski's hair is starting to turn grey.
Tard

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Posted: July 01 2014,22:32

That's too long winded.

How about this instead:

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1. God exists.
2. Go to 1.

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Posted: July 02 2014,05:55

Quote (Henry J @ July 01 2014,22:32)

That's too long winded.

How about this instead:

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1. God exists.
2. Go to 1.

Much better and to the point! Why use words to explain the self-evident?

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Posted: July 02 2014,07:51

UD sees fewer and fewer dissenters (Link).

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Posted: July 02 2014,11:53

Insightful commentary from BA77:

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How did the sexes originate? Why is it that the vast majority of living things require a “male and female” to reproduce? If evolution were true – doesn’t it make much more sense that EVERY living organism was self-replicating and required no useless energy expenditure? When did the first male get here? When did the first female get here? How? Why? Wouldn’t they have had to appear fully functional and at the same time in order for the next generation of organisms to arrive?

Interesting question, BA, are you familiar with the hermaphroditic species, the ones who can change sexes, the myriad of variants that---

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Of course, they would.

---....never mind.

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Posted: July 02 2014,14:02

Quote (Henry J @ July 01 2014,22:32)

That's too long winded.

How about this instead:

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1. God exists.
2. Go to 1.

Why do they always omit

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Amen

at the end?

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Posted: July 02 2014,14:14

I reckon just the thought of hermaphrodites would push someone like Batsh^t77 off the wagon.

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Posted: July 02 2014,14:15

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In other news, view the video in the OP and note that Dembski's hair is starting to turn grey.
Tard

Does anyone have the slightest idea what Dembski's latest brain fart is suppose to mean?

"Things are real because they exchange information one with another."

Did Dr Dr Dr ever bother to give his special definition of information, this "fundamental stuff'? AFAIK "information" is a human mental construct and merely refers to our knowledge of configurations of matter. The more details we know about the configuration, the more "information" we have. If there is no matter acting as a physical substrate there is no information.

If I punch you in the nose it's not a hit, it's my fist "exchanging information" with your snoot? WTF?

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Posted: July 02 2014,14:37

Quote (stevestory @ July 02 2014,12:53)

Insightful commentary from BA77:

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How did the sexes originate? Why is it that the vast majority of living things require a “male and female” to reproduce? If evolution were true – doesn’t it make much more sense that EVERY living organism was self-replicating and required no useless energy expenditure? When did the first male get here? When did the first female get here? How? Why? Wouldn’t they have had to appear fully functional and at the same time in order for the next generation of organisms to arrive?

Interesting question, BA, are you familiar with the hermaphroditic species, the ones who can change sexes, the myriad of variants that---

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Of course, they would.

---....never mind.

linky

And by "the vast majority of living things", do you mean bacteria?

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Posted: July 02 2014,17:18

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 02 2014,14:15)

Quote (CeilingCat @ July 01 2014,21:25)

In other news, view the video in the OP and note that Dembski's hair is starting to turn grey.
Tard

Does anyone have the slightest idea what Dembski's latest brain fart is suppose to mean?

"Things are real because they exchange information one with another."

Did Dr Dr Dr ever bother to give his special definition of information, this "fundamental stuff'? AFAIK "information" is a human mental construct and merely refers to our knowledge of configurations of matter. The more details we know about the configuration, the more "information" we have. If there is no matter acting as a physical substrate there is no information.

If I punch you in the nose it's not a hit, it's my fist "exchanging information" with your snoot? WTF?

It appears to be some bits of poorly digested quantum physics mixed with "regular" physics, dusted with Jesus and poured over Doc Doc's self proclaimed internationally known mastery of Information. (See his law.)

Batshit77 can give you the details. It involves being saved.

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Posted: July 02 2014,21:34

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Does anyone have the slightest idea what Dembski's latest brain fart is suppose to mean?

"Things are real because they exchange information one with another."

Maybe it's "I think, therefore I am" ?

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Interesting question, BA, are you familiar with the hermaphroditic species,

Maybe he doesn't like escargot?

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Posted: July 03 2014,02:38

Quote (Driver @ July 02 2014,07:51)

UD sees fewer and fewer dissenters (Link).

Crapping in their own nest, what would they want dissenters for?

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Posted: July 04 2014,17:08

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The material issue is the ORIGIN of the integrated aerofoil, power and control systems for flight, using feathers. Flight feathers are astonishingly complex structures with oodles of FSCO/I. For which there is exactly one vera causa plausible explanation, design.

oodles of FSCO/I.

That's a buncha FSCO/I.

Kraposfocus linky

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Posted: July 04 2014,21:21

I forget: how many oodles in a dembski, again?

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Posted: July 05 2014,14:00

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I forget: how many oodles in a dembski, again?

A shitload.

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Posted: July 05 2014,15:18

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I forget: how many oodles in a dembski, again?

A shitload.

That's a metric shitload.

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