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Kantian Naturalist Posts: 72 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,10:58    Quote KF has lodged a rambling complaint which they are forced to act on by suspending the account and investigating the allegation. I have trouble believing that Gordon would be that petty -- or pro-active.  But he has gone off into a deeper end of the deep end, lately -- not just in his assertions.  If you look at his rhetorical patterns, he uses the same phrases over and over more frequently than he used to.  He has more run-on sentences than he used to.   It sounds a lot more like a "broken record" than he used to sound.   I suspect that there's some underlying psychological condition which has been getting worse over the past few weeks.  Maybe he's taken some action against TSZ.  But I still want to give him benefit of the doubt.

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,11:20    Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 27 2013,15:00) ETA: KF and Lizzie apparently are both under British law. Under new libel laws which we campaigned for, web site owner is not responsible for content posted by others where there is an open posting policy. Of course, Barry or Gordon cannot sue me. Anyone who can is unlikely to, particularly as every word is documented and true. Dembski's apologetics book really does say those things. If they would like the UK publicity, I will gladly give them my details. It's very easy to get a host to suspend a website though, unfortunately. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,11:27    Of course Gordon is lying over at UD about me calling Christians enemies of humanity. My girlfriend doesn't like it when I call her that. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,11:32    Quote (Driver @ Sep. 27 2013,18:20) Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 27 2013,15:00) ETA: KF and Lizzie apparently are both under British law. Under new libel laws which we campaigned for, web site owner is not responsible for content posted by others where there is an open posting policy. Of course, Barry or Gordon cannot sue me. Anyone who can is unlikely to, particularly as every word is documented and true. Dembski's apologetics book really does say those things. If they would like the UK publicity, I will gladly give them my details. It's very easy to get a host to suspend a website though, unfortunately. I'm not sure if it is all that easy to get a website suspended. For some years, I collaborated with a website against 419 fraud, and when we found an outright fraudulent site, e.g. a fake bank, a fake rental agency, or a fake employer, we had to go to a whole lot of work to prove it before the site got closed. Often we didn't get any reaction at all. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,11:46

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,12:05    Quote Under new libel laws which we campaigned for, web site owner is not responsible for content posted by others where there is an open posting policy. Website owners are responsible for enforcing digital rights (assuming there is a copyright violation). As an owner you can protect yourself from copyright infringement suits by posting contact information on the home page. If there is an alleged copyright violation, the copyright owner has to contact you and give reasonable time to correct the situation. I only post this because of KF's rather bizarre copyright notice on his site. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2013,16:52    Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ Sep. 27 2013,10:58) Quote KF has lodged a rambling complaint which they are forced to act on by suspending the account and investigating the allegation. I have trouble believing that Gordon would be that petty -- or pro-active.  But he has gone off into a deeper end of the deep end, lately -- not just in his assertions.  If you look at his rhetorical patterns, he uses the same phrases over and over more frequently than he used to.  He has more run-on sentences than he used to.   It sounds a lot more like a "broken record" than he used to sound.   I suspect that there's some underlying psychological condition which has been getting worse over the past few weeks.  Maybe he's taken some action against TSZ.  But I still want to give him benefit of the doubt. To be fair the quote reads as if "Kf has lodged..." when we have no evidence thet that is the case... the quote was conjecture. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2013,00:34    In the absence of anything noteworthy happening at UD William J Murray is providing good entertainment over at TSZ. On a thread titled How does mind move matter the fun starts around here:   Quote    (quoting petrushka)   Quote Then you are aware that there is no evidence whatever for psychic phenomena. Can you support this assertion? I am aware of no such thing. He goes on citing all sorts of woo sources while simultaneously using his usual WJM™ style of bafflegab trying to back his way out of the various corners he finds himself in. Great stuff, William, keep it up! -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2013,00:42    Murray revealing his acumen and voluminous scholarship: Quote Also interesting to note how materialist ideological commitments have influenced how the bulk of physical science research is conducted, as the only area where blind, double-blind and triple-blind protocols are stringently employed is that which doesn’t assume a materialist perspective – psi research. He's critiquing logic on TSZ.  Apparently, knowing bullshit is the basis of his claim to such expertise. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2013,02:04    Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 22 2013,06:42) Murray revealing his acumen and voluminous scholarship:   Quote Also interesting to note how materialist ideological commitments have influenced how the bulk of physical science research is conducted, as the only area where blind, double-blind and triple-blind protocols are stringently employed is that which doesn’t assume a materialist perspective – psi research. He's critiquing logic on TSZ.  Apparently, knowing bullshit is the basis of his claim to such expertise. Glen Davidson Well, psi research and clinical trials and forensic work and environmental testing and lab calibration and ... psi research is actually undertaken from a materialist perspective. It assumes something happens we can detect. Otherwise why bother? -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2013,06:13    My favorite part is citing Uri Geller as someone having psychic powers. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2013,08:31    Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 22 2013,12:13) My favorite part is citing Uri Geller as someone having psychic powers. I just knew you were going to say that! -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2013,20:40    The pompous blowhard himself Barry Arrington has shown up at TSZ claiming UD has never banned anyone except pointless trolls.        Of course by definition that included every single person who has pointed out the intellectual vacuity of IDiot claims. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2013,09:00    Well, Barry is trying to milk his supposed death (and Resurrection) by cop. KN, *if* you did delete his posts (1) You're not as smart as I thought (2) You should voluntarily withdraw your moderation rights. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Kantian Naturalist Posts: 72 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2013,09:10    Not as wise you had hoped, at any rate.   I see the wisdom of your suggestion and shall do as you recommend.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2013,09:14    Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ Nov. 27 2013,09:10) Not as wise you had hoped, at any rate.   I see the wisdom of your suggestion and shall do as you recommend. It sucks because I think you're a stand up guy and I don't think you view things as cynically as me. But he pretty much telegraphed it: That being said, his posts are restored and the 'offending' moderator, isn't. We'll never see the day that UD has that degree of integrity. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2013,09:37    Let's see. At TSZ we get KN remove Barry Arrington's off-topic posts which are then fully restored 12 minutes later.  Barry throws a hissy fit. At UD we get Sal Cordova not only deleting on-topic posts but modifying posts to make them say something different that what the original author wrote.  Barry approves and doesn't utter a peep. That should tell Barry something about his honesty level, but it won't. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2013,09:40    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Nov. 27 2013,09:37) Let's see. At TSZ we get KN remove Barry Arrington's off-topic posts which are then fully restored 12 minutes later.  Barry throws a hissy fit. At UD we get Sal Cordova not only deleting on-topic posts but modifying posts to make them say something different that what the original author wrote.  Barry approves and doesn't utter a peep. That should tell Barry something about his honesty level, but it won't. Ultimately somewhat of an own goal for Barry. We can now compare both 'banning' and 'moderation mechanisms'. Its Democracy vs. Dictatorship. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Febble Posts: 310 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,16:02    geez. That's all I have to say.

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2014,16:19    Quote (Febble @ Jan. 05 2014,22:02) geez. That's all I have to say. Wha'appen? -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2014,23:30    Anyone speak Byersian? Quote (Neil Rickert @ Jan 14 2014) I sometimes say that when people disagree in what is said to be a logical argument,the disagreement is usually about the premises rather than about the logic.I think you are making a similar point. Quote (Robert Byers @ Jan 14 2014) YES. Its the premises. Yet I’m adding premises are so unknown that logic itself does not exist. or not as people use the word. There is just profound accurate conclusions in the universe. Logic is a very special case dealing with this accuracy and so is almost useless in human thought. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

socle Posts: 322 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2014,00:16    Quote (keiths @ Jan. 15 2014,23:30) Anyone speak Byersian?     Quote (Neil Rickert @ Jan 14 2014) I sometimes say that when people disagree in what is said to be a logical argument,the disagreement is usually about the premises rather than about the logic.I think you are making a similar point.     Quote (Robert Byers @ Jan 14 2014) YES. Its the premises. Yet I’m adding premises are so unknown that logic itself does not exist. or not as people use the word. There is just profound accurate conclusions in the universe. Logic is a very special case dealing with this accuracy and so is almost useless in human thought. Profound accurate conclusions in the universe == Dŕo.  Still working on the rest.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2014,06:05    Quote (keiths @ Jan. 15 2014,23:30) Anyone speak Byersian? You don't speak it, you sing it to the Dance of the Cuckoos (the Laurel & Hardy theme tunes.) Did Byers not recently demand the posting of a picture of a Human-Chimpanzee intermediate? He should have been invited to post a selfie.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2014,08:56    He's merging with GG. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2014,08:32    Who is the greater bullshitter (by metric tonnes of  bullshit per comment) - William J Murray or Gregory? -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2014,08:45    I've come to like William. I think he is trying to be honest, and I think his self-help theology is amusing. His repetition is tedious, but he seems to be clarifying his position rather than obfuscating it. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2014,09:57    Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 24 2014,14:45) I've come to like William. I think he is trying to be honest, and I think his self-help theology is amusing. His repetition is tedious, but he seems to be clarifying his position rather than obfuscating it. I'd like him better if he recognised that the atheist contingent is also trying to be honest. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2014,10:41    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 24 2014,09:57) Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 24 2014,14:45) I've come to like William. I think he is trying to be honest, and I think his self-help theology is amusing. His repetition is tedious, but he seems to be clarifying his position rather than obfuscating it. I'd like him better if he recognised that the atheist contingent is also trying to be honest. Atheists should not ask for miracles. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2014,23:11    Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 16 2014,07:56) He's merging with GG. Now that puts an odd spin on the concept of "emergence"!

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2014,05:17    William citing scientific studies concerning atheists is a striking example of his hypocrisy. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

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