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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2014,16:47   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 02 2014,11:41)
JoeTard finally gets something right.

 
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Joetard at UD: "Not one of the regulars over on atbc would be welcome in the ID community."


That's because we're honest, we understand scientific methodology, and because we draw conclusions based on the evidence instead of cherry-picking evidence to support our already decided upon conclusion.

I probably wouldn't be welcome at a "church" of scientology or a raelian enclave either. Somehow my heart is not breaking.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2014,19:36   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 02 2014,19:41)
JoeTard finally gets something right.

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Joetard at UD: "Not one of the regulars over on atbc would be welcome in the ID community."

It's not a hypothetical, of course. We've all been banned from UD, about the only ID community that has any semblance of life left, although struggling with being dominated by real kooks such as Louis Savain, Joe, Batshit, and KF.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2014,01:54   

Quote (Driver @ Mar. 03 2014,03:36)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 02 2014,19:41)
JoeTard finally gets something right.

 
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Joetard at UD: "Not one of the regulars over on atbc would be welcome in the ID community."

It's not a hypothetical, of course. We've all been banned from UD, about the only ID community that has any semblance of life left, although struggling with being dominated by real kooks such as Louis Savain, Joe, Batshit, and KF.

The joke of course is that Joe IS welcome. He couldn't make a better case for the batshit lunacy of ID and immoral behavior of a few fundies.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2014,02:55   

Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 03 2014,01:54)
 
Quote (Driver @ Mar. 03 2014,03:36)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 02 2014,19:41)
JoeTard finally gets something right.

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Joetard at UD: "Not one of the regulars over on atbc would be welcome in the ID community."

It's not a hypothetical, of course. We've all been banned from UD, about the only ID community that has any semblance of life left, although struggling with being dominated by real kooks such as Louis Savain, Joe, Batshit, and KF.

The joke of course is that Joe IS welcome. He couldn't make a better case for the batshit lunacy of ID and immoral behavior of a few fundies.

What would ID be without its lunatic fundies?

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2014,05:05   

Quote (Quack @ Mar. 03 2014,08:55)
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 03 2014,01:54)
Quote (Driver @ Mar. 03 2014,03:36)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 02 2014,19:41)
JoeTard finally gets something right.

 
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Joetard at UD: "Not one of the regulars over on atbc would be welcome in the ID community."

It's not a hypothetical, of course. We've all been banned from UD, about the only ID community that has any semblance of life left, although struggling with being dominated by real kooks such as Louis Savain, Joe, Batshit, and KF.

The joke of course is that Joe IS welcome. He couldn't make a better case for the batshit lunacy of ID and immoral behavior of a few fundies.

What would ID be without its lunatic fundies?

Just two-faced, indoctrinated, dissembling, extreme right-wing Pieran spring-sippers like Dembski and Meyer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2014,06:01   

Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 03 2014,01:54)
The joke of course is that Joe IS welcome. He couldn't make a better case for the batshit lunacy of ID and immoral behavior of a few fundies.

Word.

For all the times I've seen references (KF I believe?) claiming that how people behave on other areas of the internet are grounds for a banning it speaks volumes to the depth of hypocrisy and nuttiness at UD.

Joe needs more free reign over there if you ask me.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2014,08:05   

Quote (Lethean @ Mar. 05 2014,14:01)
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 03 2014,01:54)
The joke of course is that Joe IS welcome. He couldn't make a better case for the batshit lunacy of ID and immoral behavior of a few fundies.

Word.

For all the times I've seen references (KF I believe?) claiming that how people behave on other areas of the internet are grounds for a banning it speaks volumes to the depth of hypocrisy and nuttiness at UD.

Joe needs more free reign over there if you ask me.

Hahaha yeah he would have all the ingredients for Fig jam.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2014,19:34   

Chubs is still Ronrey:

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Joe March 13, 2014 at 5:36 pm
FYI- petrushka is whining because he cannot defend his equivocating, lie-filled and meaningless drivel here.

petrushka, you are welcome on my blog. If you can get your crap past me I will plead your case to the UD moderators.


Well as you clearly have an open mind.

Of course Joe will swear a lot as you hand him his ass then finally stop posting your comments (in typical creationist fashion) once he can't take any more public embarrassment. Just like always.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2014,13:54   

Doesn't look like Petrushka even knows that Joe exists.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2014,20:18   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 14 2014,19:54)
Doesn't look like Petrushka even knows that Joe exists.

Let him know when you see him.

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Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2014,22:15   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 14 2014,12:54)
Doesn't look like Petrushka even knows that Joe exists.

Some people have all the luck?  :O

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2014,08:11   

Joe shows up at Sandwalk

eta: nothing much to see really - just thought it would be worth a watching brief.

Edited by Soapy Sam on Mar. 19 2014,15:07

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2014,10:39   

Joe makes a prediction:

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If I am right they won't find the jet until it crashes into some target.



I can't wait to test his design detection.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2014,10:44   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 19 2014,10:39)
Joe makes a prediction:

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If I am right they won't find the jet until it crashes into some target.



I can't wait to test his design detection.

Joe is not outside the range of public speculation on this one.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2014,09:13   

Joe goes fishing for Tardlove:

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JoeMarch 20, 2014 at 5:19 am
OK Eric what about:

Information flows from artist to art, ie from designer to the thing being designed. Therefor any object a designer designs would contain the information required to make it.

A cake, for example, would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the recipe used to make it.


Agree or disagree?


Emphasis mine.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2014,09:31   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 20 2014,09:13)
Joe goes fishing for Tardlove:

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JoeMarch 20, 2014 at 5:19 am
OK Eric what about:

Information flows from artist to art, ie from designer to the thing being designed. Therefor any object a designer designs would contain the information required to make it.

A cake, for example, would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the recipe used to make it.


Agree or disagree?


Emphasis mine.

After thinking about this for 5 more seconds than it deserves (i.e. 5 seconds)... I think Joe has goofed yet again.  I know, shocking isn't it?

So if a cake contains all the information in the recipe, then the recipe contains all the information in the paper, ink, chef's knowledge, skills, and abilities, etc.

The paper contains all the information from the tree used to make it. The tree contains all the information used to make it, including information from the sun, temperature/rainfall data from the life of the tree, atmospheric compound concentrations, etc.

I could go on, but we rapidly get to the point where the cake contains all the information in the universe.

Or we could go with the actual conditions and say that information "measured" in this way is a meaningless concept and that the chemical changes caused by baking the cake resets all that prior information, just like radiometric dating samples are 'reset' by the cooling of the igneous rock they are found in or inflation 'reseting' the information prior to inflation.

Since it is impossible to retrieve the information about the recipe from the cake itself, the radioactivity levels prior to the igneous melt cooling from the rocks we have, or the state of the universe prior to inflation from what we have now... all the ID proponents are just blathering on, hoping no one notices that they still can't do what they claim to.

Tell you what Joey. I'll save a piece of my award winning chocolate banana bread for you.  You tell me what the recipe is from that slice.

If you can do that, then you win. If you can't (and we both know you can't), then you shut up about your stupid ideas about information.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2014,14:20   

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If you said Intelligent Agencies give yourself a bisquit.


Edited by Richardthughes on Mar. 20 2014,14:23

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2014,15:07   

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JoeMarch 23, 2014 at 8:49 am
Evolve- why do you just take Millers word for it? Also Miller is totally wrong because the alleged fusion occurred in the HUMAN lineage and didnt have anythiung to do with any alleged common ancestry with chimps.


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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2014,09:58   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 19 2014,10:39)
Joe makes a prediction:

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If I am right they won't find the jet until it crashes into some target.



I can't wait to test his design detection.

Tested and failed.

Joe is wrong again, again.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2014,20:52   

Joe:
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Graham2- materialism cannot explain the periodic table.




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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2014,08:29   

Quote (didymos @ Mar. 24 2014,20:52)
Joe:
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Graham2- materialism cannot explain the periodic table.

JoeTard, part deux

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Graham2: Where do you think the arrangement of elements comes from?


All the elements were designed.


:p

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2014,13:33   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 25 2014,08:29)
 
Quote (didymos @ Mar. 24 2014,20:52)
Joe:
 
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Graham2- materialism cannot explain the periodic table.

JoeTard, part deux

 
Quote
 
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Graham2: Where do you think the arrangement of elements comes from?


All the elements were designed.


:p

JoeTard, part trois

 
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- your position cannot explain mice.


He's really on a roll today! :D :D :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2014,16:48   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 25 2014,13:33)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 25 2014,08:29)
Quote (didymos @ Mar. 24 2014,20:52)
Joe:
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Graham2- materialism cannot explain the periodic table.

JoeTard, part deux

Quote
Quote
Graham2: Where do you think the arrangement of elements comes from?


All the elements were designed.


:p

JoeTard, part trois

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- your position cannot explain mice.


He's really on a roll today! :D :D :D

Have a great weekend everyone!

https://www.blogger.com/comment....3123013

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ID explains mice as the result of the genetic program designed to produce small rodents.

This is in contrast to your position which sez they somehow arrived and somehow survived. Well that is basically what your position sez, period.


Fox news, sign him up!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2014,20:09   

A discourse on the finer points of biology, Joe G style:
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AVS- Shut up. You have proven to be a moron and a poseur. You are also a liar and misrepresent Wells. I have forgotten more about science than you will ever know- and I dont forget.

You are a pathetic excuse for a human.

UD link

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2014,22:59   

So, just tell him that other people don't have to stoop to his pathetic level of excuses...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 06 2014,20:36   

Cross post as Joe's a cowardly creationist who doesn't promote all comments.

Joe: "2- With respect to natural selection it means that not all individuals have the same probability of being eliminated. That is what makes natural selection non-random"

Joe, randomness does not require all outcomes to be equal. That is equiprobable, a subset of random that has a uniform probability distribution.

The odds of any outcome of the summation of two dice is not equiprobable (some are more likely that others) but is random.

And thus Joe fails at probability

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2014,02:02   

JoeG, wandering ambassador of Uncommon Decent, drops by the NCSE blog to do some outreach on behalf of ID.

"ignorant of science and apparently proud of it." "Because he is ignorant"
"I dare you" "you are just fully ignorant." "Get an education"
What a jerk." "You are proud to be ignorant." "Either support your claim or shut up"
"Your ignorance is astounding." "You are just an ignorant coward." "You are a liar."
"you are lying" "You are so deluded that you have to lie. You are a pathtic little dick."
"That might be the most ignorant and cowardly response of all time" "And that is my blog, moron"
"And why are you such an ignorant coward who doesn't understand science?" "You're a joke."
"LoL! I am not a christian. But you are an ignorant ass" "YOU are a pathetic little person."
"Seeing that you are a deluded liar"


Joe, now that you are an ID rockstar I hope you don't go and forget all the little people that helped make it happen.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2014,07:32   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 06 2014,20:36)
Cross post as Joe's a cowardly creationist who doesn't promote all comments.

Joe: "2- With respect to natural selection it means that not all individuals have the same probability of being eliminated. That is what makes natural selection non-random"

Joe, randomness does not require all outcomes to be equal. That is equiprobable, a subset of random that has a uniform probability distribution.

The odds of any outcome of the summation of two dice is not equiprobable (some are more likely that others) but is random.

And thus Joe fails at probability

In "What Evolution Is" Ernst Mayr said that natural selection is non-random because not every organism has the same probability of being eliminated.

Then we have: random

2.
Statistics. of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen.


Richie Hughes is just an ignorant fuck

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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2014,07:41   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 20 2014,09:31)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 20 2014,09:13)
Joe goes fishing for Tardlove:

 
Quote
JoeMarch 20, 2014 at 5:19 am
OK Eric what about:

Information flows from artist to art, ie from designer to the thing being designed. Therefor any object a designer designs would contain the information required to make it.

A cake, for example, would, at a minimum, contain all the information in the recipe used to make it.


Agree or disagree?


Emphasis mine.

After thinking about this for 5 more seconds than it deserves (i.e. 5 seconds)... I think Joe has goofed yet again. I know, shocking isn't it?

So if a cake contains all the information in the recipe, then the recipe contains all the information in the paper, ink, chef's knowledge, skills, and abilities, etc.

The paper contains all the information from the tree used to make it. The tree contains all the information used to make it, including information from the sun, temperature/rainfall data from the life of the tree, atmospheric compound concentrations, etc.

I could go on, but we rapidly get to the point where the cake contains all the information in the universe.

Or we could go with the actual conditions and say that information "measured" in this way is a meaningless concept and that the chemical changes caused by baking the cake resets all that prior information, just like radiometric dating samples are 'reset' by the cooling of the igneous rock they are found in or inflation 'reseting' the information prior to inflation.

Since it is impossible to retrieve the information about the recipe from the cake itself, the radioactivity levels prior to the igneous melt cooling from the rocks we have, or the state of the universe prior to inflation from what we have now... all the ID proponents are just blathering on, hoping no one notices that they still can't do what they claim to.

Tell you what Joey. I'll save a piece of my award winning chocolate banana bread for you. You tell me what the recipe is from that slice.

If you can do that, then you win. If you can't (and we both know you can't), then you shut up about your stupid ideas about information.

Kevin McCarthy, total asshole. The cake doesn't contain the information of the paper, nor the ink. Only a moron on an agenda would say that.

As for information, Kevin, you have proven to be totally ignorant on that subject.

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2014,08:04   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2014,15:07)
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JoeMarch 23, 2014 at 8:49 am
Evolve- why do you just take Millers word for it? Also Miller is totally wrong because the alleged fusion occurred in the HUMAN lineage and didnt have anythiung to do with any alleged common ancestry with chimps.

Umm that happens to be a fact Richie. I take it you were ignorant of it and now you think your ignorance means something.

Strange...

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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