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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2013,08:36   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 21 2013,19:33)
Yes, sadly, the man who took his autistic son to a faith healer seems all too willing to wallow in the woo.

Glen Davidson

It's simple really...he didn't pay the faith healer enough.
His wish wasn't communicated directly to The Designers Appointments Calender App.
All he offered was an Acknowledgement in his next b$$k.
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I would like to thank The Designer who gave us life and the Fall. Others whom I'm reminded  I must mention particularly and foremost my farther in law Richard von Shekelboon III who owns 2 shotguns.  I would like to offer my sincere (honestly...Oh OK! MY SINCEREST [WITHOUT FINGERS CROSSED BEHIND MY BACK] ACKNOWLEDGEMENT) to Rev. Jesse R.D. Neck, a very special believer and faith healer beyond remorse paradigm.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2013,10:17   

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I would like to thank The Designer who gave us ... the Fall.

At last, we know the True Identity of the Designer!  It can only be ... Mark E. Smith.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2013,06:09   

I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2013,07:08   

Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,01:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

But apart from that, he's ok! Ah, no. I forgot the miracle of the herrings. Apart from that, however...

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2013,09:13   

Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,06:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

He's a generous and sincere human being in my experience.

That marks him out from at least some regulars at UD.

  
Mark Frank



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2013,10:01   

Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,06:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

He is never rude. He (almost) always provides reasons for whatever case he is making. He is extremely well read and does his research. That puts him head and shoulders above anyone else I can think of on UD. The closest to him is Gpuccio but he is not as tolerant as Vincent.

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2013,10:09   

Quote (Mark Frank @ Sep. 02 2013,18:01)
Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,06:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

He is never rude. He (almost) always provides reasons for whatever case he is making. He is extremely well read and does his research. That puts him head and shoulders above anyone else I can think of on UD. The closest to him is Gpuccio but he is not as tolerant as Vincent.

All VJ is doing is testing Foucault's Status Envy Theorem.
"If you want to feel wealthy live in a poor neighborhood".

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2013,10:17   

Quote (Febble @ Sep. 02 2013,15:13)
Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,06:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

He's a generous and sincere human being in my experience.

That marks him out from at least some regulars at UD.

I concede that "human" might mark him out.

Lots of people at UD sincerely believe God created "all the kinds". I've not observed any generosity from Vincent. Just politeness.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2013,10:25   

Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,18:17)
Quote (Febble @ Sep. 02 2013,15:13)
Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,06:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

He's a generous and sincere human being in my experience.

That marks him out from at least some regulars at UD.

I concede that "human" might mark him out.

Lots of people at UD sincerely believe God created "all the kinds". I've not observed any generosity from Vincent. Just politeness.

If he was that polite he wouldn't impose his endless blathering on the weak of mind.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2013,10:36   

Quote (Mark Frank @ Sep. 02 2013,16:01)
Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,06:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

He is never rude. He (almost) always provides reasons for whatever case he is making. He is extremely well read and does his research. That puts him head and shoulders above anyone else I can think of on UD. The closest to him is Gpuccio but he is not as tolerant as Vincent.

He is educated. He should know better! He does one sided "research" that verifies his misconceptions. He continues with his misconceptions after correction. He is an intellectual disgrace.

He is so ridiculous he posts things like challenges to the "world's 25 most influential living atheists" at Uncommon Descent without contacting them. Granted, as many as two of them might be aware of UD.

See when you ask others to respect him, it really annoys me
because reading books and a polite rhetorical style are neither worthy of respect in themselves, and the guy is a pompous reality-denying ass who displays the trappings of learning.

His politeness masks the lack of humility that contributes to making him such a poor academic, at least in the areas of biology and theology.

Yeah, I don't like him.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2013,10:46   

Quote (Mark Frank @ Sep. 02 2013,10:01)
Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,06:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

He is never rude. He (almost) always provides reasons for whatever case he is making. He is extremely well read and does his research. That puts him head and shoulders above anyone else I can think of on UD. The closest to him is Gpuccio but he is not as tolerant as Vincent.

Gpuccio at least knows a few things. GPs problem is he disappears when the going gets rough and comes back later as if the previous discussion never happened.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2013,11:21   

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he disappears when the going gets rough and comes back later as if the previous discussion never happened.

Sounds familiar.

  
hotshoe



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2013,14:06   

Quote (Mark Frank @ Sep. 02 2013,10:01)
Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,06:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

He is never rude. He (almost) always provides reasons for whatever case he is making. He is extremely well read and does his research. That puts him head and shoulders above anyone else I can think of on UD. The closest to him is Gpuccio but he is not as tolerant as Vincent.

Huh. I think Torley is every bit as scummy as any of the rest of them at UD.  

Look at one of Torley's recent posts, the viciously stupid one about Clarence Darrow and rape, which of course Torley spins into an illogical conclusion that none of us can be moral humans under Darwinism.

And YOU replied to it, so you know which pile of garbage I'm talking about.

In my world, Torley choosing to post that earns em a permanent place on the shitwit list, if xe wasn't there already.

But, suit yourself ...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2013,00:53   

Quote (Mark Frank @ Sep. 02 2013,08:01)
 
Quote (Driver @ Sep. 02 2013,06:09)
I don't know what it is that makes a few people feel they have to isolate VJ Torley as some exception at UD, more deserving of respect. There have been such comments here at AtBC too. Yet, his articles are unfocused, his loggorhea severe, his theology hilarious, his science as biased and as inaccurate as that of any creationist, his pomposity striking, and his fustiness tangible.

He is never rude. He (almost) always provides reasons for whatever case he is making. He is extremely well read and does his research. That puts him head and shoulders above anyone else I can think of on UD. The closest to him is Gpuccio but he is not as tolerant as Vincent.

It's...Politenessman!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2013,00:58   

Quote (rossum @ Aug. 30 2013,08:17)
 
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I would like to thank The Designer who gave us ... the Fall.

At last, we know the True Identity of the Designer!  It can only be ... Mark E. Smith.

There Is A River In Eden.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2013,16:38   

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There simply is no case at UD of the level of slander and hate fest as is currently ongoing at TSZ.


Gordon.

Who is Gordy going to sue? Judge Jones?

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2013,16:44   

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There simply is no case at UD of the level of slander and hate fest as is currently ongoing at TSZ.


Translation:  The IDiots are failing as badly as ever at TSZ.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2013,23:05   

Someone point Mung at this: http://www.skepticink.com/smilodo....me-from

He is fundamentally wrong, everyone knows it (maybe even he does), but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and the above link is a pretty good explanation (I think).

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2013,23:36   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 17 2013,23:05)
Someone point Mung at this: http://www.skepticink.com/smilodo....me-from

He is fundamentally wrong, everyone knows it (maybe even he does), but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and the above link is a pretty good explanation (I think).

I gave him that link and he hasn't posted TSZ since.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2013,06:21   

Lewontin!

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2013,03:08   

Site is down right now.  I've pinged eigenstate, hope to sort soon.

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2013,06:19   

Back up.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2013,21:55   

Febble, I just don't understand how or why you put up with that lying asshole Mung, especially after the way he spits on you at UD.  

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2013,22:58   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 19 2013,21:55)
Febble, I just don't understand how or why you put up with that lying asshole Mung, especially after the way he spits on you at UD.  

That's what I don't really get about TSZ rules, either.  Murray and Mung are always treating the opposition as if they are not acting in good faith.  Murray seems to have left by now, disgusted at his sliminess, yet projecting it all against "Darwinists," but he neither acted in good faith--except to the degree that a spoiled brat does, unaware of himself--nor treated anyone else as if they were acting in good faith.  

Mung's just an ass, of course, no better than Murray, if a little less full of himself.

Now I'm not complaining about how I'm treated at TSZ, or anything like that, because I got away with responding to Murray well enough, I think, but I wondered if I was within guidelines.  However, if I weren't, Murray certainly wasn't, since vitriol and dishonesty seem to be his life.

I just don't know what treating others like they're acting in good faith means, though, when lying and spitting are about all that Murray and Mung have ever done over there, at least in the comments section.  But then, it seems to be what every creationist dolt does at UD, and I don't know how anyone can put up with it.  

KF just lies about people, voluminously, if unconvincingly.  Going on forever with his fantasies evidently is how he prevents any doubts about his ignorance, vapidity, and above all, closed-mindedness, from entering his unavailing mind.

Glen Davidson

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hotshoe



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2013,22:47   

Is TSZ down again? I'm getting "server not responding" error message ...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,07:57   

I'm "Account suspended"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,08:05   

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I'm "Account suspended"

Me too. Looks like the whole site is down.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,08:06   

Same here -- "this account has been suspended".  

I fully support Lizzie's moderation procedure, because it can be enforced fairly.   It's like the professor's ethics about friending students on Facebook -- never send a friend request, and either friend all the students who send you a request, or friend none of them.  (I chose "none", if you're wondering.)  

Anything can be said, unless it contains obviously vulgar language ("Jane, you ignorant slut") or genuinely offensive images.   I think that if the moderators were to take a heavier hand in policing Murray or Mung, it would be ugly.  But that doesn't stop the rest of us from calling them out on their bullshit, as long we don't violate the rules in doing so.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,08:51   

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Same here -- "this account has been suspended".  

I fully support Lizzie's moderation procedure, because it can be enforced fairly.   It's like the professor's ethics about friending students on Facebook -- never send a friend request, and either friend all the students who send you a request, or friend none of them.  (I chose "none", if you're wondering.)  

Anything can be said, unless it contains obviously vulgar language ("Jane, you ignorant slut") or genuinely offensive images.   I think that if the moderators were to take a heavier hand in policing Murray or Mung, it would be ugly.  But that doesn't stop the rest of us from calling them out on their bullshit, as long we don't violate the rules in doing so.

I'm guessing either something mundane - quota exceeded (if the site has one) or KF has lodged a rambling complaint which they are forced to act on by suspending the account and investigating the allegation.

Maybe KF has hired barry to write them a nasty lawyer letter!

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2013,09:00   

KF's website forbids linking to it to support controversy, or some such shit.

ETA:

KF and Lizzie apparently are both under British law.

Edited by midwifetoad on Sep. 27 2013,09:01

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