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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2014,22:08   

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Again: Any substantive discussion of the point Driver raised would inevitably lead to a topic which Our Gracious Host would prefer that we avoid. I would recommend that you, too, investigate the origins of the Online Pocket O' Misogyny which proudly bears the self-granted name of "slymepit". If you would like to engage in actual discourse on said topic, there is PMs and there is email. And before you conclude that my somewhat elliptical remarks here are born of a lack of respect for evidence, perhaps you might inquire with Our Gracious Host regarding his preference regarding discussion of one particular topic.
Or, you know, not.

  
Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2014,02:19   

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and the UD Fri night drinking game....

     
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usually the women thing is to promote women in science as they historically and today lag behind. I don’t think women can compete with men intellectually because of a lack of motivation or rather not as motivated as men. men are made to be accomplished and women were made to help men only as the bible teaches. in science accomplishment this is made obvious as affirmative action can’t hide the ratio.


Drink until you 1) forget asshats like this exist and
2) That all the xtian UDers will call you out on anything that looks like some support of some real science, but never, never this...

Anyone else want to lock this guy in a room with Erv and a buncha medieval weapons?

To see which one hates women the most?

You seem to have ERV confused with the gutless bastard who tried to get her fired for opinions she posted online.

No. Misogyny is not a unique phenomenon.

If you're going to accuse an intelligent, articulate, accomplished woman who is actively working in HIV research of misogyny, you should provide some evidence.  If you can't, you should retract your unsupported insult.

Intelligence, articularcy, accomplishments, gender, occupation... None of them prevent misogyny. If you want the evidence, PM me. I know why I stopped reading her blog.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2014,02:25   

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usually the women thing is to promote women in science as they historically and today lag behind. I don’t think women can compete with men intellectually because of a lack of motivation or rather not as motivated as men. men are made to be accomplished and women were made to help men only as the bible teaches. in science accomplishment this is made obvious as affirmative action can’t hide the ratio.


Drink until you 1) forget asshats like this exist and
2) That all the xtian UDers will call you out on anything that looks like some support of some real science, but never, never this...

Anyone else want to lock this guy in a room with Erv and a buncha medieval weapons?

To see which one hates women the most?

You seem to have ERV confused with the gutless bastard who tried to get her fired for opinions she posted online.

No. Misogyny is not a unique phenomenon.

If you're going to accuse an intelligent, articulate, accomplished woman who is actively working in HIV research of misogyny, you should provide some evidence.  If you can't, you should retract your unsupported insult.

This leads directly into an topic which Our Gracious Host greatly prefers that we avoid, so I will restrict myself to this one remark on the subject: I would recommend that you investigate the origins of the Online Pocket O' Misogyny which proudly bears the self-granted name of "slymepit".

Oh, you can sling unevidenced BS as well as any other fascist propagandist.

Typical SJW lack of concern for evidence.  

Glen Davidson

I'm amused by those who think Social Justice is an effective pejorative.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2014,07:26   

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and the UD Fri night drinking game....

             
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usually the women thing is to promote women in science as they historically and today lag behind. I don’t think women can compete with men intellectually because of a lack of motivation or rather not as motivated as men. men are made to be accomplished and women were made to help men only as the bible teaches. in science accomplishment this is made obvious as affirmative action can’t hide the ratio.


Drink until you 1) forget asshats like this exist and
2) That all the xtian UDers will call you out on anything that looks like some support of some real science, but never, never this...

Anyone else want to lock this guy in a room with Erv and a buncha medieval weapons?

To see which one hates women the most?

You seem to have ERV confused with the gutless bastard who tried to get her fired for opinions she posted online.

No. Misogyny is not a unique phenomenon.

If you're going to accuse an intelligent, articulate, accomplished woman who is actively working in HIV research of misogyny, you should provide some evidence.  If you can't, you should retract your unsupported insult.

This leads directly into an topic which Our Gracious Host greatly prefers that we avoid, so I will restrict myself to this one remark on the subject: I would recommend that you investigate the origins of the Online Pocket O' Misogyny which proudly bears the self-granted name of "slymepit".

Oh, you can sling unevidenced BS as well as any other fascist propagandist.

Typical SJW lack of concern for evidence.  

Glen Davidson

I'm amused by those who think Social Justice is an effective pejorative.

I'm appalled at people who misrepresent what was written to pretend to make a legitimate point.

Yes, who can fault the People's Democratic Republic of Whatever?  They're always right because they're the People's Democratic Republic, the good ones.  And if anyone disagrees with their evidence-free accusations, well, there's more where that came from.

Because you're SJW, if anyone disagrees with you they're against Social Justice, just like if anyone disagrees with Expelled, they're against academic freedom.  

That's why there can't be civil discourse, you can sling false accusations and consider yourself to be entirely immune to criticism because you're in favor of Social Justice.  It's in your name, after all.  You're just better.  If it were not so, you wouldn't claim to be.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2014,08:58   

[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]

Quote (Driver @ Mar. 23 2014,03:19)
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Quote (Driver @ Mar. 22 2014,12:16)
   
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and the UD Fri night drinking game....

       
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usually the women thing is to promote women in science as they historically and today lag behind. I don’t think women can compete with men intellectually because of a lack of motivation or rather not as motivated as men. men are made to be accomplished and women were made to help men only as the bible teaches. in science accomplishment this is made obvious as affirmative action can’t hide the ratio.


Drink until you 1) forget asshats like this exist and
2) That all the xtian UDers will call you out on anything that looks like some support of some real science, but never, never this...

Anyone else want to lock this guy in a room with Erv and a buncha medieval weapons?

To see which one hates women the most?

You seem to have ERV confused with the gutless bastard who tried to get her fired for opinions she posted online.

No. Misogyny is not a unique phenomenon.

If you're going to accuse an intelligent, articulate, accomplished woman who is actively working in HIV research of misogyny, you should provide some evidence.  If you can't, you should retract your unsupported insult.

Intelligence, articularcy, accomplishments, gender, occupation... None of them prevent misogyny. If you want the evidence, PM me. I know why I stopped reading her blog.

In other words, you'd prefer to libel her in public and keep any possibility of being demonstrated to be wrong private.

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2014,09:43   

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Quote (Cubist @ Mar. 22 2014,21:39)
This leads directly into an topic which Our Gracious Host greatly prefers that we avoid, so I will restrict myself to this one remark on the subject: I would recommend that you investigate the origins of the Online Pocket O' Misogyny which proudly bears the self-granted name of "slymepit".

I'm aware of the Slymepit and its origins as a thread on ERV's site.  I haven't checked it out since the few weeks following the incident of unevidenced accusations against a well-known skeptic by a much lesser known blogger, but your comment incentivized me to peruse it for a few minutes.

It reminds me of the good old days of Usenet, with unfettered, unmoderated discussion.  Insightful commentary is mixed with trollish behavior, vulgar humor, and a few personal vendettas.  Flaming is treated as an art form.  The West Coast Atheist  summarizes it quite well, in my opinion.

Rather than an "Online Pocket O' Misogyny", The Slymepit is to Freethought Blogs and Atheism+ what AtBC is to UD -- a place for those banned at the original sites to mock the ignorance and hypocrisy displayed there.  Unlike AtBC, the Slymepit free-for-all is not for everyone (including me, for lack of time if no other reason).

I'll follow your lead and also cease discussion of that site with this comment.

Edited by Patrick on Mar. 23 2014,11:23

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2014,16:36   

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I have no idea what any of this is. I suppose it refers to events that occurred in the 4 year period when I was ignoring all science/ID stuff. Whatever happened, I have no idea what it was, probably don't want to know, and let's get back to making fun of UD.

Fair enough.  I'll help the segue by reposting one of ERV's greatest hits:
   
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You. You Sal Cordova. You cottage cheese dripping pussy. You lack the courage of your convictions. You, who wont publish under your real name. You, who only accidentally let your Uni know about your 'activities'. You, who can lie until everyone within a 50 mile radius of you is covered in milky slime without losing the 'respect' of your peers and superiors in Creationist World. You, who has a lifetime-job-guarantee from any well funded Creationist or Dominionist organization for the rest of your life.

That still makes me laugh (while simultaneously throwing up a bit in my mouth).

And proof of her "misogyny."

If the priestly declarations of the good and the just are to become normative.*  And they are...

Glen Davidson

*They try to take over forums (it worked with Pharyngula), and to rewrite Wikipedia, Steve.  It's not just history.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2014,01:54   

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Quote (Patrick @ Mar. 23 2014,13:58)
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and the UD Fri night drinking game....

       
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usually the women thing is to promote women in science as they historically and today lag behind. I don’t think women can compete with men intellectually because of a lack of motivation or rather not as motivated as men. men are made to be accomplished and women were made to help men only as the bible teaches. in science accomplishment this is made obvious as affirmative action can’t hide the ratio.


Drink until you 1) forget asshats like this exist and
2) That all the xtian UDers will call you out on anything that looks like some support of some real science, but never, never this...

Anyone else want to lock this guy in a room with Erv and a buncha medieval weapons?

To see which one hates women the most?

You seem to have ERV confused with the gutless bastard who tried to get her fired for opinions she posted online.

No. Misogyny is not a unique phenomenon.

If you're going to accuse an intelligent, articulate, accomplished woman who is actively working in HIV research of misogyny, you should provide some evidence.  If you can't, you should retract your unsupported insult.

Intelligence, articularcy, accomplishments, gender, occupation... None of them prevent misogyny. If you want the evidence, PM me. I know why I stopped reading her blog.

In other words, you'd prefer to libel her in public and keep any possibility of being demonstrated to be wrong private.

Because it says above that Wesley doesn't want us to discuss this topic. If it's libel, she can sue me. I'll gladly discuss it on another forum, as long as it isn't the slymepit.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2014,01:56   

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double post

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2014,05:39   

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Quote (Driver @ Mar. 24 2014,02:54)
 
Quote (Patrick @ Mar. 23 2014,13:58)

In other words, you'd prefer to libel her in public and keep any possibility of being demonstrated to be wrong private.

Because it says above that Wesley doesn't want us to discuss this topic. If it's libel, she can sue me. I'll gladly discuss it on another forum, as long as it isn't the slymepit.

First, Wesley hadn't written that before you tried to squirm out of supporting your claim.

Second, Wesley is talking about the more general tempest in the online atheist teapot.  You have made an unsupported, insulting statement about a particular person.

You're using any excuse to avoid having to support or retract your baseless slur in this forum.  The longer you take to do so, the more it says about your integrity.

  
Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2014,19:38   

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In other words, you'd prefer to libel her in public and keep any possibility of being demonstrated to be wrong private.

Because it says above that Wesley doesn't want us to discuss this topic. If it's libel, she can sue me. I'll gladly discuss it on another forum, as long as it isn't the slymepit.

First, Wesley hadn't written that before you tried to squirm out of supporting your claim.

I suggest you revisit page 24 again. Both cubist and Wesley posted before I assented not to discuss the issue on this forum.


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You have made an unsupported, insulting statement about a particular person.

You're using any excuse to avoid having to support or retract your baseless slur in this forum.  The longer you take to do so, the more it says about your integrity.


Anything I post on it will lead to discussion of it. I will address the issue of online misogyny amongst atheists and skeptics in an OP at TSZ. I will include evidence of my statement about ERV.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2014,21:28   

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Quote (Driver @ Mar. 24 2014,20:38)
I will address the issue of online misogyny amongst atheists and skeptics in an OP at TSZ. I will include evidence of my statement about ERV.

While I look forward to refuting your slur against ERV, it would be courteous to first ask Dr. Liddle if she's willing to consider this on topic for her site.  Given the personalities involved in the larger issue, there is a risk that it will cause more work for the moderators, even if you and I do our best to maintain decorum in our interactions.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2014,08:34   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 23 2014,17:40)
It's been a while, so maybe I should repost what I closed the other thread on skeptic communities and gender issues with:

   
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This is obviously a topic that turns otherwise reasonable people uncivil. I'm happy to note that all but two of the recently posted links Driver put up have comments sections, so anyone who feels they must talk about this topic has somewhere to do it.

That place is no longer here.

I dislike having to take this step, but I am convinced it has to be done.

This topic is now considered "excessively annoying". Further posts on other threads in this forum on the topic will be removed on recognition, no matter whether other topics are also discussed. People who insist on carrying on the conversation on this board will lose posting privileges.


The. Fucking. End.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2014,05:00   

I will say absolutely nothing about all this!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2014,05:40   

Ed Kagin, co-founder of Camp Quest, passed away on March 27. :(

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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2014,09:39   

It's official. I've now found the absolute stupidest thing ever said by a creationist. This is from Meyer's Darwin's Doubt.

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Sometimes similarity appears between species where it cannot be explained by inheritance from a common ancestor (e.g., the similar forelimbs on moles and mole crickets) and, at the very least, there are other possible explanations for sequence similarity.

In the first place, similar gene sequences might have evolved independently on two parallel lines of descent starting with two different genes, as the hypothesis of convergent evolution asserts. Recent examples of convergent genetic evolution now abound in the literature of molecular and evolutionary biology.13 For example, molecular biologists have discovered that both whales and bats use similar systems—involving similar genes and proteins—for echolocation. The striking similarity of these systems used in two otherwise disparate mammalian species has led biologists to posit the parallel evolution of echolocation, including the gene sequences and proteins that make it possible, from a common ancestor that did not possess this system.14

- Darwin's Doubt pg 214-5


I'm actually floored that he would use this argument to reject common descent.

There is so much wrong here... I can't even begin... I'll have to though.

Edited by OgreMkV on May 04 2014,09:40

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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2014,12:17   

there should be a meyer dd thread you can put this on, if you want.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2014,12:37   

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there should be a meyer dd thread you can put this on, if you want.

Shockingly, there isn't. No big deal.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2014,13:06   

random comments:
1 well, you can start one if you want
2 but there might not be enough interest because DD is so stupid
3 steve, number 2 was a pretty stupid thing to think, wasn't it?
4 yeah mibad.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2014,13:28   

Quote (stevestory @ May 04 2014,13:06)
random comments:
1 well, you can start one if you want
2 but there might not be enough interest because DD is so stupid
3 steve, number 2 was a pretty stupid thing to think, wasn't it?
4 yeah mibad.

Truly you have a dizzying intellect ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2014,13:32   

:p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2014,15:19   

Your meds, Dennis. Take them.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2014,17:28   

Markuzi/Mabus deleted on sight. G'bye, Dennis. Don't let the jail-cell door hit you in the ass.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2014,10:34   

Markuse must be mentally ill if he's spending any time on these posts. It takes less than a second to delete them. Cost/benefit, bitch!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2014,12:02   

What I want to know is who was St. Eve, and why did she need a Tory?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2014,14:24   

This will be viral in a few days. Might as well see it here first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....7wz93Lw

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2014,20:22   

Quote (midwifetoad @ May 14 2014,14:24)
This will be viral in a few days. Might as well see it here first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....7wz93Lw

Viral now.

Of course, we've had a few dog attacks in our neighborhood too.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2014,17:21   

I would like some comments on this (which is found here http://thehumanist.com/news....7355845




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"Evolution is observed to happen in organisms in the lab and the real world. It is a fact."


I have looked at thousands of DNA sequencing chromatograms. I did not see evolution. What I saw were strings of nucleotide print outs representing the DNA chemistry of the organisms that were being sequenced. I have worked in paleontology labs. What I saw were bones. I have conducted systematic analysis using character matrices. What I observed were phylogenetic trees. I did not observe evolution. I have observed organisms in the wild and in farms breeding. I did not observe evolution, because that would mean that I would have to observe populations and individuals in those populations dying and differential survival of individuals over time. I have observed bacteria in petri-dishes in a lab and I have applied tetracycline to individuals that I had introduced a gene into to make them resistant. They survived, but I did not see evolution. Evolution is a process that is founded on the principles of natural selection, neutral evolution and is a process that occurs through the differential survival of individuals in populations. One does not observe evolution - we observe facts and use the theory of evolution to explain these.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2014,19:54   

Lots of things I haven't observed. The earth revolving and rotating.

I haven't observed a key moving the pins in a lock.

I've never observed a volcano or an earthquake.

Is there a point to this?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2014,21:28   

Quote (midwifetoad @ May 27 2014,19:54)
Lots of things I haven't observed. The earth revolving and rotating.

I haven't observed a key moving the pins in a lock.

I've never observed a volcano or an earthquake.

Is there a point to this?

The claims that evolution isn't a fact because such things have never actually been observed. They are instead inferences from the data that is collected.

I think he's splitting hairs to the point of causing nuclear fission.

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