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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 03 2014,09:32   

Is there something in the ID diet that makes them insufferably whiny?

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KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 03 2014,09:57   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 03 2014,09:32)
Is there something in the ID diet that makes them insufferably whiny?

Too many cheese-and-wine parties makes them cheesy and whiny.

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 03 2014,16:42   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 03 2014,09:32)
Is there something in the ID diet that makes them insufferably whiny?

It's those crosses they have to put themselves up on all the time.  After that they're tired and cranky.

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socle



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2014,17:45   

Gregory, growing closer to Jesus every day:
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You seem to give agent-hood status as a replacement psychological Solomon strategy without the Solomon. Ecclesiastes might help. It doesn’t bite. Open and read, Mr. 70 yr-old. Why not give a new flavour a try. Your generation was sucked of its soul, as most sociologists who study the phenomenon globally would agree. The only way out: try.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2014,17:55   

Gregory has a psychotic meltdown worthy of Kariosfocus:
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“looking for “naturalism without scientism” that I’ve started and stopped four times now.”

Well good. I honestly hope you find it and start again. I’m well ahead of you and most other ‘USAmericans’ on this. I went East.

Did you see the Opening Ceremonies in Sochi, KN? So much you don’t know, or them. And it’s not my knowledge to possess to claim arrogantly, it’s theirs to humbly follow and learn from. Are you willing to do this? I know you want to, but will you, KN? You have doubts. Given.

“Trying to get clear about any of this stuff is extremely frustrating!”

Right, so call these dogs off my back cuz I got no more time for this filth and will disappear. Will you?

Yes, I read Pigliucci, White (you saw my review), and Wiseletier. And I teach it. Fascinating. But read Hutchinson and Artigas too; don’t shy from the theists.

“I won’t say that the term is entirely useless.”

Good, well fend off the scientistic hounds of TSZ then. But they don’t pay you much attention as a mere (ex-Reform atheist Jewish) philosopher, do they? You’re a mere ‘empirical’ pawn for them. sCiEnCe –> SciEnTiSm

You seem to fall down willingly at the ‘philosophy is dead’ trope. Stand up, KN. Get inspired. For Y-WH’s sake! Learn more than the Sophists did. Find truths and adventures in the neo-post-modern age. You need not be as weak or eclectically destructible as you appear. Why not awake, arise?


Then asks:
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Who guano’d this


http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....t-41076

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2014,17:59   

This is the second time this week, to my knowledge, that Gregory has confessed his love for Vladimir Putin.

About the 500th time he has castigated Amerika, despite the fact that TSZians come from all over the globe.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2014,18:09   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 08 2014,17:59)
This is the second time this week, to my knowledge, that Gregory has confessed his love for Vladimir Putin.

About the 500th time he has castigated Amerika, despite the fact that TSZians come from all over the globe.

Surely he's a better fit for UD?

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2014,18:13   

They don't like him either.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2014,18:26   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 08 2014,18:13)
They don't like him either.

His poor fucking students...

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2014,18:57   

Ideally, KF and Gregory would teach a course in comparative Tard. Perhaps Batshit^77 could provide AV / Youtube support and Joe could, er,  swear at people?

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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2014,21:53   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 08 2014,18:57)
Ideally, KF and Gregory would teach a course in comparative Tard. Perhaps Batshit^77 could provide AV / Youtube support and Joe could, er,  swear at people?

I imagine Joe as the Sam Kinison character from Back to School.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2014,08:41   

I imagine him as Flounder.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2014,23:21   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 09 2014,06:41)
I imagine him as Flounder.

ah ha ha.

Or:



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socle



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2014,21:11   

Robert Byers:
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Even as baby’s we are already as intelligent as adults. babies are simply very retarded people.

omg, he misspelled 'babbys' twice!

  
socle



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2014,18:41   

Now this is comical.  Gregory, talking down to Joe Felsenstein:


  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2014,21:07   

JoeG, Gregory, Gary G, Kariosfocus. Together in Thunderdome.

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Kantian Naturalist



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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2014,20:50   

Robert Byers:


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I don’t agree there is such things as racism, anti-semitism, sexism homophobiaism, thatguyism.


Robert Byers, whose anti-Semitism at UD (and elsewhere?) has been well-documented at this site, doesn't believe there's any such thing.  

I don't know how to elaborate on that, so I'll leave y'all to it.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2014,22:23   

Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ April 02 2014,18:50)
Robert Byers:


 
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I don’t agree there is such things as racism, anti-semitism, sexism homophobiaism, thatguyism.


Robert Byers, whose anti-Semitism at UD (and elsewhere?) has been well-documented at this site, doesn't believe there's any such thing.  

I don't know how to elaborate on that, so I'll leave y'all to it.

It gets better:
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i believe all human babies are perfectly equal intellectually at birth. A blank slate.
Yet i don’t believe in the past or present that women are intellectually equal to men.
they should fail in any competition of smarts beyond mere memorization .
Actual intelligence inferiority.
yet i say this is because of the manly motivation to be accomplished as the bible says.
Women are less motivated even in these days of society pushing them to be accomplished.
Yet i would be called sexist and this meaning wrong/immoral for this sincere and true opinion.

Finally, Byers gets something right.  He would indeed be called sexist.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2014,08:34   

I'm not sure she's smart enough to be sexist. She probably just memorized some tracts.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: April 04 2014,03:52   

I posted that Byers comment to fstdt.com yesterday. It is not his first entry.

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clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2014,00:09   

keiths's antics of late remind me of the scene in "Repo Man" when Otto and others are in a club. The Circle Jerks are doing a Vegas-style lounge lizard rendition of "When the shit hits the fan" and Otto remarks, "I remember when I used to like these guys."

William J Murray is a dick, still, and Gregory is much much worse, but keiths, please take this in the constructive spirit in which it is offered: you have committed the unforgivable sin, in that you have turned the once brilliant TSZ...

...it is so hard to say, but I must...

keiths, you have made The Skeptical Zone...

...boring.

Please, keiths, please, in the name of whatever love you still hold for that once-brilliant site, put a sock in it. At least for a few days.

  
damitall



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2014,03:09   

Quote (clamboy @ June 12 2014,06:09)
keiths's antics of late remind me of the scene in "Repo Man" when Otto and others are in a club. The Circle Jerks are doing a Vegas-style lounge lizard rendition of "When the shit hits the fan" and Otto remarks, "I remember when I used to like these guys."

William J Murray is a dick, still, and Gregory is much much worse, but keiths, please take this in the constructive spirit in which it is offered: you have committed the unforgivable sin, in that you have turned the once brilliant TSZ...

...it is so hard to say, but I must...

keiths, you have made The Skeptical Zone...

...boring.

Please, keiths, please, in the name of whatever love you still hold for that once-brilliant site, put a sock in it. At least for a few days.

Couldn't agree more.

TSZ is very disappointing these days, populated by people who should learn to know when to shut the fuck up

Has Febble abandoned it? - I see she's transmogrified into "Pingu" at TalkRational

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2014,09:42   

Quote (damitall @ June 12 2014,03:09)
TSZ is very disappointing these days, populated by people who should learn to know when to shut the fuck up

Hey! I resemble that remark.

I think my hope for TSZ was that we'd get dialogue with UD going. A failure in that regard.

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damitall



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2014,10:29   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 12 2014,15:42)
Quote (damitall @ June 12 2014,03:09)
TSZ is very disappointing these days, populated by people who should learn to know when to shut the fuck up

Hey! I resemble that remark.

I think my hope for TSZ was that we'd get dialogue with UD going. A failure in that regard.

OK, I was being hyperbolic.

But I maintain that SOME individuals there post an awful lot of words to express some pretty unimportant ideas

And no dialogue with UDites was ever likely because that particular swamp is inhabited by dishonest pearl-clutchers, skirt-lifters, flouncers  and indignation-mongers who recoil at the very thought of voluntarily taking part in an honest, thoughtful, open-minded discussion in which there is a possibility that they might have to admit to being wrong. I did have hopes, once Joe got himself banned, but...

I did h

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2014,13:30   

Hey, I learnt to shut the fuck up ages ago!

I think WJM is trying to bloviate TSZ into oblivion.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2014,13:31   

I will not disguise the fact that I am Petrushka at TSZ (and other places, like DU).

My complaint regarding Keiths is that chatting with him is no damn fun.

Defending a position does not have to be cutthroat.

Now three or four people have said this. time to pay attention.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2014,16:30   

clamboy, damitall,

TSZ actually wasn't created for your entertainment, so that is hardly a concern.

But since you are so disappointed with it, why not lead by example?  Ask for posting rights (if you don't already have them) and come up with some good OPs.  Make some scintillating comments that everyone will enjoy.

Or you can keep complaining, which is a lot easier.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2014,16:31   

I responded to petrushka/midwifetoad here.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2014,16:51   

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I think my hope for TSZ was that we'd get dialogue with UD going. A failure in that regard.
You (still?) believe in Santa Claus?

My point being that it is virtually impossible for them to throw any of their ballast overboard and start believing anything we might tell them. Surrender to the Devil is not an option, so what else is there to expect.

IMHO, sad but true.

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Jim_Wynne



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2014,17:30   

Quote (keiths @ June 13 2014,16:30)
clamboy, damitall,

TSZ actually wasn't created for your entertainment, so that is hardly a concern.

But since you are so disappointed with it, why not lead by example?  Ask for posting rights (if you don't already have them) and come up with some good OPs.  Make some scintillating comments that everyone will enjoy.

Or you can keep complaining, which is a lot easier.

I have no dog in this fight, but this is a variation of the Gary Gaulin argument, no?

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