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normdoering Posts: 287 Joined: July 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,18:40    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ May 31 2006,20:02) I previously argued that the sun, stars, and galaxies inhabit a crystalline ether, which I dubbed the quintessence. I must derive a wavefunction that satisfies Shroedinger's equation for a periodic function of constant value. This can be accomplished by performing an inverse Fourier transform of our Sinc^2 function, which will also output the magnitudes and frequencies of the curve. Here, k=the wave vector. R is the x, y, z space that defines the (three) spatial dimensions. One of us doesn't know what you're talking about, Ghost, and I think it's you.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,18:47    Nah, just ask him why there is an International Agency devoted strictly to measuring the irregularities and wobble in the Earth’s rotational axis (necessary to precisely track LEO and GEO satellites). International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS) Then ask him his explanation of why spacecraft are almost always launched in an Easterly direction to take advantage of the extra velocity boost provided by the Earth’s rotation. Spacecraft launch phase Then ask him why geostationary satellites (those with a very low eccentricity geosynchronous orbit), which are launched into orbit over the Earth’s equator at an altitude of 22,235 miles and a velocity of 6878 MPH (which matches the Earth’s rotational velocity) appear stationary to an observer on the ground. Geostationary orbits That should keep him busy refining his model. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Bruce Beckman Posts: 6 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,22:28    Quote Payley sez: I must derive a wavefunction that satisfies Shroedinger's equation for a periodic function of constant value. Why use Schroedinger? We've known that Schroedinger was wrong for the past 70 years. You should use Dirac's equation, especially given the high velocities I imagine your stars will be subject to.

Nebogipfel Posts: 47 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,22:57    ...crystalline ether... Hmm. Must weigh a ton! What keeps it up, I wonder? Could we try bouncing a radar beam off it, or something?

stephenWells Posts: 127 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2006,07:28    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 31 2006,23:47) Nah, just ask him why there is an International Agency devoted strictly to measuring the irregularities and wobble in the Earth’s rotational axis (necessary to precisely track LEO and GEO satellites). International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS) Then ask him his explanation of why spacecraft are almost always launched in an Easterly direction to take advantage of the extra velocity boost provided by the Earth’s rotation. Spacecraft launch phase Then ask him why geostationary satellites (those with a very low eccentricity geosynchronous orbit), which are launched into orbit over the Earth’s equator at an altitude of 22,235 miles and a velocity of 6878 MPH (which matches the Earth’s rotational velocity) appear stationary to an observer on the ground. Geostationary orbits That should keep him busy refining his model. And ask him where cyclones and anticyclones come from... he does know about Coriolis force, no? No? And anyone who's used a GPS location device has tested General Relativity to at least first-order post-Newtonian effects... And I'd love to know where he thinks Cassini and Voyager are, and how they got there Isn't it odd that he hasn't put up a picture of his model? Little sketch of the earth and everything going around it? Maybe some distances and sizes? Look, Tycho Brahe did better than this 400 years ago: Tychonian System And babbling about Darwinists too... I wonder if he thinks Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Hooke, Halley and all were Darwinists?

Russell Posts: 1082 Joined: April 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2006,07:38    Quote Then ask him his explanation of why spacecraft are almost always launched in an Easterly direction to take advantage of the extra velocity boost provided by the Earth’s rotation. Ooh, ooh, ooh! Can I play? The reason is that NASA (and international equivalents) all assume the earth is spinning, so they never tried the other direction! -------------- Must... not... scratch... mosquito bite.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2006,07:53    And/or NASA's just telling you that's what they do. In reality, they follow Paley's model.

cogzoid Posts: 234 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2006,08:22    Paley, let's step back for a second and establish what we know.  You are working on a geocentric model.  You're starting with some topology and quantum mechanics.  Why not start at the basics so everyone can follow?  What does your Biblically-based solar system look like?  Can you compare and contrast with the post-Galileo accepted worldview?  You seemed to have lost some viewers already, while alluding to your super-fluid, crystalline, quintessence.  Perhaps now is a good time to re-explain. -Dan

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2006,09:05    Quote (cogzoid @ June 01 2006,13:22) Paley, let's step back for a second and establish what we know.  You are working on a geocentric model.  You're starting with some topology and quantum mechanics.  Why not start at the basics so everyone can follow?  What does your Biblically-based solar system look like?  Can you compare and contrast with the post-Galileo accepted worldview?  You seemed to have lost some viewers already, while alluding to your super-fluid, crystalline, quintessence.  Perhaps now is a good time to re-explain. -Dan Good point. The standard cosmological model is pretty controversial when it comes to the nature of spacetime; there isn't even a consensus yet on the number of spatial dimensions. Therefore, it seems kind of silly, Bill, to start trying to refute a theory that isn't even established yet anyway. Why don't we try a model that at least accounts for straightforward observations, like the phases of Venus and the Jovian moons, varying parallax of nearby astronomical objects, the Hertzsprung-Russel relationship, the existence of galaxies, etc.? You don't need to come up with a model for the nature of spacetime to account for these observations, Bill. This is obviously true, since observational astronomy is a thriving and dynamic field despite not even knowing how many spatial dimensions there are yet. I really don't think quantum mechanics is going to help you very much if you can't even explain orbital dynamics, a theory that was well-established before Planck was even born. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

Nebogipfel Posts: 47 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,00:54    Actually, I think it's less of a model, more the resolution of a Star Trek Voyager episode. I'm sure if we tried really hard, we could get tachyon inversion in there somehow.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,02:01    ooo ooo.... how about this: The expansion of the universe is caused by the centripetal acceleration of the rotation of the universe around the earth! Throw in some Newton's Second Law of Motion, F=ma, add in that funky little w guy, and a sin(theta) or two, maybe a half dozen gravitons, 32 references to Einstein, a tachyon for Nebogipfel, two egg whites, mix gently and bake at 449.81 k for 6,000 years. Cool for 2 years to eliminate burns and any residual SLoT residue and Voila! Jesus loves you. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,02:35    Quote And I'd love to know where he thinks Cassini and Voyager are, and how they got there Cassini and Voyager, if they still exist, are in the hard drives in the basement of the same studio in Burbank, CA where they created all of those cgi images used in the evolutionistic prolefeed called "Science and nature programming." Deep space probes?--My arse! Yes, the images have gotten sharpen since the crude clay models used in the whole moon landing shoot, but its still the same charade! In addition, I have taken a tour of that low-rent, dumbed-down Disneyland in Houston. That whole "Mission Control" folderol looks far less real than Mr. Toad's Ride. It seems people will believe anything their social superiors in academia and government tell them to believe! -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,02:37    And your proof of this is? ps. the flag would move on the moon.

Reluctant Cannibal Posts: 36 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,02:54    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ June 02 2006,07:35) Quote And I'd love to know where he thinks Cassini and Voyager are, and how they got there Cassini and Voyager, if they still exist, are in the hard drives in the basement of the same studio in Burbank, CA where they created all of those cgi images used in the evolutionistic prolefeed called "Science and nature programming." Deep space probes?--My arse! Yes, the images have gotten sharpen since the crude clay models used in the whole moon landing shoot, but its still the same charade! In addition, I have taken a tour of that low-rent, dumbed-down Disneyland in Houston. That whole "Mission Control" folderol looks far less real than Mr. Toad's Ride. It seems people will believe anything their social superiors in academia and government tell them to believe! Ghost, I have to say that I think that you are taking the low road here. A proper neo-quantum-mechanical treatment with the probes embedded in the crystalline empyrean, being whizzed about on some fantastic epicycle, would be much harder than a full-on conspiracy theory, but ultimately much more satisfying.

Nebogipfel Posts: 47 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,03:53    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ June 02 2006,07:35) Cassini and Voyager...hard drives in the basement of the same studio in Burbank ...Deep space probes My arse! ... crude clay models ...  moon landing shoot, ... charade... low-rent, dumbed-down Disneyland in Houston. ... Mr. Toad's Ride.... people will believe anything ... Course they are, Mr. Paley, of course they are! Now you just sit down and have a nice cup of tea, and the nurse will be along with your medication shortly.

Russell Posts: 1082 Joined: April 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,04:38    So I guess I have my answer: GoP thinks the moon landings were faked. GoP apparently lives in an alternative universe, where, fortunately, his nutty ideas won't have any impact on the one I live in. -------------- Must... not... scratch... mosquito bite.

Steverino Posts: 411 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,04:44    And the proof is....!!!......?? He doesn't have any.  He is just another moron walking around with tin-foil on his head to prevent the gov. from reading his thoughts. How can one possibly believe any of this drivel???  Can you imagine how difficult a secret; a phony moon landing would, to keep??? With all the money people are willing to throw at individuals to come forward and expose conspiracies; wouldn't you think someone would have spilled the beans by now??? You know why not???....Because it really happened!!!   All the former astronauts would beat the crap out of you for accusing them of a lie, which is what you are doing. Paley, the next time you see Elvis and JFK having a cup of coffee and splitting a doughnut at your local choke and puke, tell'em Stevo says "hey!" Now drop the crayons and back away from the table. -------------- - Born right the first time. - Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers. - It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,05:47    So Bill, about that Parallax… -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

stephenWells Posts: 127 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,05:57    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ June 02 2006,07:35) Quote And I'd love to know where he thinks Cassini and Voyager are, and how they got there Cassini and Voyager, if they still exist, are in the hard drives Okay, that was worth it for the entertainment value  Conspiracy theorists are so amusingly naive. I notice he doesn't have any kind of response to the point about cyclones and the Coriolis effect. Or the GPS. Do you think he thinks satellites don't exist? What a loon.

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,06:18    Quote (stephenWells @ June 02 2006,10:57) I notice he doesn't have any kind of response to the point about cyclones and the Coriolis effect. Or the GPS. Do you think he thinks satellites don't exist? What a loon. …and I still want to know what Bill thinks the earth is shaped like. I assume he believes that GPS satellites actually orbit the earth, since he thinks everything else does. Quote "…and that, my liege, is why we believe the earth to be banana-shaped." -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,06:57    Quote How can one possibly believe any of this drivel???  Can you imagine how difficult a secret; a phony moon landing would, to keep??? LOL I actually once heard a conspiracy 'explanation' of the moon landings that would have been more difficult than just going to the damn moon and being done with it.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,07:08    What are you guys on about?  Of course the moon landings were faked.  It's just that to be convincing they had to fake them on the moon.  Never underestimate how far gov't and other collections of she-devils will go to divert attention from the black helicopters and the Cambrian fossils of humans. -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,07:31    I don't know who you are, imposter, but the real Glen Davidson would have taken 3,000-4,000 words to convey those points.

stephenWells Posts: 127 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,07:58    Quote (Glen Davidson @ June 02 2006,12:08) Of course the moon landings were faked.  It's just that to be convincing they had to fake them on the moon. ...and my hat is off to you, sir, because my brain just exploded.

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,08:02    Quote Cassini and Voyager, if they still exist, are in the hard drives in the basement of the same studio in Burbank, CA where they created all of those cgi images used in the evolutionistic prolefeed called "Science and nature programming." Deep space probes?--My arse! Yes, the images have gotten sharpen since the crude clay models used in the whole moon landing shoot, but its still the same charade! I knew you wouldn't let me down, Ghost! Yay! -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,08:11    Also: Forget Berkeley's Empiricism and Tlönism and such, Ghost... I just think you played too much Mage: The Ascension as a kid. Mr. Davidson: Post of the week material there, sir. -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,08:34    Quote That whole "Mission Control" folderol looks far less real than Mr. Toad's Ride. why do i think that Gawp spent too much time trying to "lick toad"? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,09:17    And, on to Bill's prototype accounting for parallax, then. Bill? Bill? Hello? -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,09:25    Parallax is a conspiracy, Eric. Haven't you seen "The Parallax View"? -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,09:56    Quote (Faid @ June 02 2006,14:25) Parallax is a conspiracy, Eric. Haven't you seen "The Parallax View"? Actually, I have seen "The Parallax View," but I don't remember any discussion of trigonometry or apparent vs. intrinsic magnitude. Were the ancient Greeks part of the conspiracy, I wonder. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

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