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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2012,15:47   

I don't see the point in writing a book like this other than to say "we have a book coming out soon" and then forget about it.

Who's going to buy a $100-plus book of bullshit essays?

I can't imagine that Marks or Behe want a POS like this on their resume;  they get enough from their colleagues as it is.  It's not going to further Dr. Dr.'s "career" as an adjunct professor at a bible diploma mill.

So, no money, no bragging rights, no fame - what's the point?

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,15:56   

Darwin's Dead Idea and the Man Who Helped Kill It contains a modified version of John Barnham's interview with William Dembski first published on his TheBestSchools.org blog.
At the time of the interview (it was published on  January 12, 2012) Dembski was expecting that the proceedings of the secret meeting of ID-creationists at Cornell University would be published by Springer. Luckily, Biological Information: New Perspectives didn't appear and they thus removed Dembski’s following statement from the current version of the interview:
   
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For instance, I have a very substantial anthology coming out with a major academic publisher, but I’m not at liberty to say where until it actually comes out, because Darwinists have the disturbing habit of trying to get publication agreements for ID-friendly literature revoked.

I hope he knows that we found the first evidence for Biological Information: New Perspectives in his CV on his own designinference.com pages.

(edited to correct tags)

Edited by sparc on Feb. 10 2013,23:23

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,17:06   

oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious

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Book Description
Publication Date: January 4, 2013
"Darwin’s Dead Idea and the Man Who Helped Kill It" makes for highly engaging reading. Witness the fascinating journey of a smart, inquisitive adolescent rejecting his school’s ask-no-questions religious indoctrination into a mathematician, philosopher, and scientist of the highest order, one who today is powerfully and persuasively challenging academia’s reigning answer to the questions that haunt us all: Where did we come from? Why is there something rather than nothing? A leading spokesman for the scientific theory that is shattering materialist assumptions about reality and the origin of life, Dr. William Dembski responds to probing questions from James Barham, general editor of TheBestSchools.org. That interview forms the core of DDI. Dembski’s forthright and humbly restrained responses reveal the courage, perseverance, and original thinking that have made him a lightning rod in the scientific community. The heated controversy surrounding intelligent design theory dramatically confirms Machiavelli’s observation that there is nothing more difficult to carry out nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. DDI introduces readers to one of the stellar lights of the new order of things now emerging on the horizon.


Wonderfully 'humbly restrained' of them, ain't it?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,17:17   

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made him a lightning rod in the scientific community


One kind of rod, anyhow.

And really, like he's anything in the scientific community.  Not even much of anything in the kook community, the only one that cares about him at all, aside from those of us who apparently enjoy laughing at old jokes.

Somehow I keep expecting slightly more honesty from these buffoons, mainly because the lies haven't done much for them.  But lying seems to be all that they know to do.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,18:16   

I guess we're not at rock bottom!  And here I thought being an adjunct "professor" at a North Carolina correspondence Bible college was rock bottom!

Just think, when collecting unemployment is a step above what you're currently doing is not rock bottom, that's a rocky bottom.

So, Dembski is reduced to charging $5 for a Kindle version of a year-old blog posting freely available, still, on the Internet.  Srsly, Dembski, this is "leading edge" stuff?  And edited by the folks who brought you Of Pandas and People, how nice!

For five bucks, Dembski, you should at least create an ID app.  Call it:

Angry Tards

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,19:13   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 11 2013,10:06)
oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious

And guess who has turned up in the reviewers' comments there? Hint: "ID is NOT anti-evolution."

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,23:34   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 10 2013,18:06)
oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious

 
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Book Description
Publication Date: January 4, 2013
"Darwin’s Dead Idea and the Man Who Helped Kill It" makes for highly engaging reading. Witness the fascinating journey of a smart, inquisitive adolescent rejecting his school’s ask-no-questions religious indoctrination into a mathematician, philosopher, and scientist of the highest order, one who today is powerfully and persuasively challenging academia’s reigning answer to the questions that haunt us all: Where did we come from? Why is there something rather than nothing? A leading spokesman for the scientific theory that is shattering materialist assumptions about reality and the origin of life, Dr. William Dembski responds to probing questions from James Barham, general editor of TheBestSchools.org. That interview forms the core of DDI. Dembski’s forthright and humbly restrained responses reveal the courage, perseverance, and original thinking that have made him a lightning rod in the scientific community. The heated controversy surrounding intelligent design theory dramatically confirms Machiavelli’s observation that there is nothing more difficult to carry out nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. DDI introduces readers to one of the stellar lights of the new order of things now emerging on the horizon.


Wonderfully 'humbly restrained' of them, ain't it?

50 bucks says he wrote it

ETA It's monopoly money, bitches, I don't actually GAF :D

Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Feb. 11 2013,00:35

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,00:36   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 10 2013,21:34)
50 bucks says he wrote it

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Witness the fascinating journey of a smart, inquisitive adolescent rejecting his school’s ask-no-questions religious indoctrination into a mathematician, philosopher, and scientist of the highest order, one who today is powerfully and persuasively challenging academia’s reigning answer to the questions that haunt us all: Where did we come from? Why is there something rather than nothing?

That's an O'Leary sentence, or I'm a duck.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,08:32   

Yeah, that sounds Dense enough;  highly compacted bullshit.

Besides, the original interview was posted on the blog where Dense hangs out now.

Just imagine a threesome between Dumbski, Dense and Buell.

(I know, Jon or Linda - doesn't matter.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,09:20   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 11 2013,14:32)
Yeah, that sounds Dense enough;  highly compacted bullshit.

Besides, the original interview was posted on the blog where Dense hangs out now.

Just imagine a threesome between Dumbski, Dense and Buell.

(I know, Jon or Linda - doesn't matter.)

And Denyse uses the handle "news" at UncommonDescent...

5.08$ for 74 pages Dembski? *Shudder*

Edited by DiEb on Feb. 11 2013,15:22

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,12:55   

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.....and a scientist of the highest order,


Fuck me.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,13:25   

Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 11 2013,12:55)
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.....and a scientist of the highest order,


Fuck me.

Well, of course.

Theology being the queen of sciences, Dembski's apologetics make him into a scientist of the highest order.

In ID terms...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,13:56   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 10 2013,19:13)
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oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious

And guess who has turned up in the reviewers' comments there? Hint: "ID is NOT anti-evolution."

Poor Joe:

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,14:08   

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oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious

And guess who has turned up in the reviewers' comments there? Hint: "ID is NOT anti-evolution."

Poor Joe:

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I voted it down.  I chose not to engage with Joe anymore.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,17:37   

I signed into my Amazon account and voted Joe G's comments down, too.

They're disappearing so fast you'd think DaveScot was running Amazon!

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2013,00:42   

Searching for BI:NP doesn't result in much news but I found a nice (if true) story about J. Sandford in an still ongoing discussion:
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There is also a beautiful story about John Sanford, I have a friend who was a post doc at Cornell and on one of the few occasions Sanford went there, he was met with a queue of Bioscience students, who all wanted him to sign a book. I guess he thought, one of his books. No, they all had books such Barney the Dinosaur and the Junior Dinosaur picture book. After about 2 minutes he went bright red (as I imagine longloadr does!) and ran from the campus in tears, so upset he could not drive his own car, and had to be driven home by campus security.


ETA: Today's the first anniversary of this thread.

Edited by sparc on Mar. 10 2013,10:24

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2013,16:38   

One day before the first aniversary of the publication of BI:NP that never happend Granville Sewell anounced at UD that he has published yet another updated version of the bitter video in which he complains about the fact that he cannot publish his views on the SLoT again.
In the meantime he tried to get his paper published it in the American Journal of Physics and received the answer he diserved (one wonders what he actually expected) although IMHO the reply was still much to kind:
     
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Dear Dr. Sewell,
We have reviewed your submission „Poker Entrpoy and the Theory of Compensation” (our manuscript 24445) and determined that it is not appropriate for publication  in the American Journal of Physics. Please refer to the “Information for Contributors” and the “Statement of Editorial Policy” at the AJP homepage (http://www.kzoo.edu/ajp/).

We do not see any educational value in your manuscript. Because it is well established in the physics community that there is no conflict between the second law of thermodynamics and evolution, we can consider manuscripts which help students understand why. However, papers that promote views that are contrary to accepted understandings in physics should be sent to research journals not to AJP.

Therefore, I regret to inform you that we will not pursue the publication of your manuscript.

Ian Tobochnik

(taken from G. Sewels video How the Scientific Consensus is Maintained)

ETA: I posted this here because in the original video Sewell complained that Springer didn't publish BI:NP. I will leave a copy at the uncommonlydense thread-

Edited by sparc on Mar. 30 2013,16:48

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2013,23:16   

They've finally made it: After Springer denied "Biological Information: New Perspectives" ID-creationists somehow must have convinced World Scientific Publishing Company to publish it. O'Leary linked to its Amzon page at UD and Best Schools.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,01:08   



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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,01:12   

Maybe you want to re-tweet this:
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@worldscientific are you really going to publish unscientific creationist Biological Information: New Perspectives? http://tinyurl.com/car2h3v....car2h3v


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- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,02:16   

I tweeted this to them:
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@worldscientific Are you aware that you are about to publish creationist "science"? http://www.worldscientific.com/worldsc........818 see http://www.guardian.co.uk/science....ce....2

I'm a bit torn on this: I don't like the idea of censorship, so I'd rather this was published somewhere, but I think it's wrong for a reputable press to publish this as science, unless it's been through a thorough peer review. I hadn't heard of the press before, so I don't know how reputable they want to be. I guess we'll find out.

BTW, I've downloaded the book (from the publishers, it's free folks) and can send it to anyone who wants 20Mb of nighttime reading. Personally, I'm sticking to The Complete Sherlock Holmes for the moment.

ETA: I also tweeted Cornell, to ask if they were aware the book was being advertised as from a symposium at Cornell.

Edited by Bob O'H on June 06 2013,02:30

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,03:24   

Must each pdf be downloaded separately; the select all checkbox didn't do much?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,05:38   

I wonder if Dr. Dr. Dembski is aware of what Denyse is doing. As of today he still lists "Biological Information: New Perspectives" as  
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Under contract with Springer Verlag.


ETA forgotten second PhD

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,06:23   

Have downloaded all 20-something PDFs. According to the colophon, the publisher, World Scientific, is a Singapore-based publisher with offices in the US (Hackensack, NJ) and UK (London, England). It would be interesting to know whether anyone at World Scientific is aware of the track records of the various editors/contributors.

The book is credited to five editors…
• Robert J. Marks II (Baylor U.)
• Michael J. Behe (Lehigh U.)
• William A. Dembski (Discovery Institute)
• Bruce L. Gordon (Houston Baptist U.)
• John C. Sanford (Cornell U.)
…with assistance from two other persons:
• Franzine D. Smith, Technical Editor
• Chase W. Nelson, Editorial Assistant

Here's the table of contents, sans page numbers:

Section One: Information Theory & Biology
• Introductory Comments / Robert J. Marks II
• Biological Information — What is It / Werner Gitt, Robert Compton, and Jorge Fernandez
• A General Theory of Information Cost Incurred by Successful Search / William A. Dembski, Winston Ewert, and Robert J. Marks II
• Pragmatic Information / John W. Oller, Jr.
• Limits of Chaos and Progress in Evolutionary Dynamics / William F. Basener
• Tierra: The Character of Adaptation / Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, and Robert J. Marks II
• Multiple Overlapping Genetic Codes Profoundly Reduce the Probability of Beneficial Mutation / George Montañez, Robert J. Marks II, Jorge Fernandez and John C. Sanford
• Entropy, Evolution and Open Systems / Granville Sewell
• Information and Thermodynamics in Living Systems / Andy C. McIntosh
Section Two: Biological Information and Genetic Theory
• Introductory Comments / John C. Sanford
• Not Junk After All: Non-Protein-Coding DNA Carries Extensive Biological Information / Jonathan Wells
• Can Purifying Natural Selection Preserve Biological Information? / Paul Gibson, John R. Baumgardner, Wesley H. Brewer, and John C. Sanford
Selection Threshold Severely Constrains Capture of Beneficial Mutations / John C. Sanford, John R. Baumgardner, and Wesley H. Brewer
• Using Numerical Simulation to Test the “Mutation-Count” Hypothesis / Wesley H. Brewer, John R. Baumgardner, and John C. Sanford
• Can Synergistic Epistasis Halt Mutation Accumulation? Results from Numerical Simulation / John R. Baumgardner, Wesley H. Brewer, and John C. Sanford
• Computational Evolution Experiments Reveal a Net Loss of Genetic Information Despite Selection / Chase W. Nelson and John C. Sanford
• Information Loss: Potential for Accelerating Natural Genetic Attenuation of RNA Viruses / Wesley H. Brewer, Franzine D. Smith, and John C. Sanford
• DNA.EXE: A Sequence Comparison between the Human Genome and Computer Code / Josiah Seaman
• Biocybernetics and Biosemiosis / Donald Johnson
Section Three: Theoretical Molecular Biology
• Introductory Comments / Michael J. Behe
• An Ode to the Code: Evidence for Fine-Tuning in the Standard Codon Table / Jed C. Macosko and Amanda M. Smelser
• A New Model of Intracellular Communication Based on Coherent, High-Frequency Vibrations in Biomolecules / L. Dent
• Getting There First: An Evolutionary Rate Advantage for Adaptive Loss-of-Function Mutations / Michael J. Behe
• The Membrane Code: A Carrier of Essential Biological Information That Is Not Specified by DNA and Is Inherited Apart from It / Jonathan Wells
• Explaining Metabolic Innovation: Neo-Darwinism versus Design / Douglas D. Axe and Ann K. Gauger
Section Four: Biological Information and Self-Organizational Complexity Theory
• Introductory Comments / Bruce L. Gordon
• Evolution Beyond Entailing Law: The Roles of Embodied Information and Self Organization / Stuart Kauffman
• Towards a General Biology: Emergence of Life and Information from the Perspective of Complex Systems Dynamics / Bruce H. Weber

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,07:12   

Quote (sparc @ June 05 2013,23:16)
They've finally made it: After Springer denied "Biological Information: New Perspectives" ID-creationists somehow must have convinced World Scientific Publishing Company to publish it. O'Leary linked to its Amzon page at UD and Best Schools.

It's usually the other way around: World Scientific has to convince you to write a book. Every time I give a talk at a visible conference, they send me their CD with Nobel lectures and prod me to write a review. Their requests promptly end up in trash.

World Scientific's journals that I know are crap.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,09:42   

Quote (Cubist @ June 06 2013,04:23)
Have downloaded all 20-something PDFs. According to the colophon, the publisher, World Scientific, is a Singapore-based publisher with offices in the US (Hackensack, NJ) and UK (London, England). It would be interesting to know whether anyone at World Scientific is aware of the track records of the various editors/contributors.

The book is credited to five editors…
(snip)

Remember how MAD magazine used to list their contributing artists and writers? :-)


eta artists not editors.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,10:57   

From the Front Matter PDF:

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Original scientific
research was presented and discussed at this symposium, which was then written
up, and constitute most of the twenty-four peer-edited papers in this volume.
These papers are presented in four sections: Information Theory and Biology,
Biological Information and Genetic Theory, Theoretical Molecular Biology, and
Self-Organizational Complexity Theory.


"Peer-Edited".  That's just like Peer-Reviewed, yes?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,11:28   

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• Entropy, Evolution and Open Systems / Granville Sewell

Nothing says "serious academic publisher" quite like 2LOT denialism.  I assume the Journal of Perpetual Motion is in the pipeline.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,11:43   

Quote (Freddie @ June 06 2013,10:57)
From the Front Matter PDF:

 
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Original scientific
research was presented and discussed at this symposium, which was then written
up, and constitute most of the twenty-four peer-edited papers in this volume.
These papers are presented in four sections: Information Theory and Biology,
Biological Information and Genetic Theory, Theoretical Molecular Biology, and
Self-Organizational Complexity Theory.


"Peer-Edited".  That's just like Peer-Reviewed, yes?

Yep and the flu is "just like" HIV.  I mean, they're both viruses right?

And I see Macintosh on this list.  How awesome.  I trashed one of his papers that was published in the Journal of Design (industrial design that is).

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2013,14:35   

I'm reading one of Mark's chapters. In it he writes
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Information of two disjoint events should be additive. That is, if the word “stuttering” conveys information I1 and “professor” conveys information I2, then “stuttering professor” should convey information I1 + I2.

To me disjoint events are ones that cannot both happen, so there would be no such thing as a "stuttering professor". In engineering, is "disjoint" often used to mean "independent"?

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