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Doc Bill Posts: 966 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2012,15:47    I don't see the point in writing a book like this other than to say "we have a book coming out soon" and then forget about it. Who's going to buy a $100-plus book of bullshit essays? I can't imagine that Marks or Behe want a POS like this on their resume;  they get enough from their colleagues as it is.  It's not going to further Dr. Dr.'s "career" as an adjunct professor at a bible diploma mill. So, no money, no bragging rights, no fame - what's the point?

sparc Posts: 1469 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,15:56    Darwin's Dead Idea and the Man Who Helped Kill It contains a modified version of John Barnham's interview with William Dembski first published on his TheBestSchools.org blog. At the time of the interview (it was published on  January 12, 2012) Dembski was expecting that the proceedings of the secret meeting of ID-creationists at Cornell University would be published by Springer. Luckily, Biological Information: New Perspectives didn't appear and they thus removed Dembski’s following statement from the current version of the interview:     Quote For instance, I have a very substantial anthology coming out with a major academic publisher, but I’m not at liberty to say where until it actually comes out, because Darwinists have the disturbing habit of trying to get publication agreements for ID-friendly literature revoked. I hope he knows that we found the first evidence for Biological Information: New Perspectives in his CV on his own designinference.com pages. (edited to correct tags) Edited by sparc on Feb. 10 2013,23:23 -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

stevestory Posts: 8341 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,17:06    oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious Quote Book Description Publication Date: January 4, 2013 "Darwin’s Dead Idea and the Man Who Helped Kill It" makes for highly engaging reading. Witness the fascinating journey of a smart, inquisitive adolescent rejecting his school’s ask-no-questions religious indoctrination into a mathematician, philosopher, and scientist of the highest order, one who today is powerfully and persuasively challenging academia’s reigning answer to the questions that haunt us all: Where did we come from? Why is there something rather than nothing? A leading spokesman for the scientific theory that is shattering materialist assumptions about reality and the origin of life, Dr. William Dembski responds to probing questions from James Barham, general editor of TheBestSchools.org. That interview forms the core of DDI. Dembski’s forthright and humbly restrained responses reveal the courage, perseverance, and original thinking that have made him a lightning rod in the scientific community. The heated controversy surrounding intelligent design theory dramatically confirms Machiavelli’s observation that there is nothing more difficult to carry out nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. DDI introduces readers to one of the stellar lights of the new order of things now emerging on the horizon. Wonderfully 'humbly restrained' of them, ain't it?

Glen Davidson Posts: 565 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,17:17    Quote made him a lightning rod in the scientific community One kind of rod, anyhow. And really, like he's anything in the scientific community.  Not even much of anything in the kook community, the only one that cares about him at all, aside from those of us who apparently enjoy laughing at old jokes. Somehow I keep expecting slightly more honesty from these buffoons, mainly because the lies haven't done much for them.  But lying seems to be all that they know to do. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Doc Bill Posts: 966 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,18:16    I guess we're not at rock bottom!  And here I thought being an adjunct "professor" at a North Carolina correspondence Bible college was rock bottom! Just think, when collecting unemployment is a step above what you're currently doing is not rock bottom, that's a rocky bottom. So, Dembski is reduced to charging $5 for a Kindle version of a year-old blog posting freely available, still, on the Internet.  Srsly, Dembski, this is "leading edge" stuff?  And edited by the folks who brought you Of Pandas and People, how nice! For five bucks, Dembski, you should at least create an ID app.  Call it: Angry Tards

Ptaylor Posts: 788 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,19:13    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 11 2013,10:06) oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious And guess who has turned up in the reviewers' comments there? Hint: "ID is NOT anti-evolution." -------------- "TSZ is just a pathetic little echo chamber." - Joe (G), UD, 5 April 2013

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6271 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2013,23:34    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 10 2013,18:06) oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious   Quote Book Description Publication Date: January 4, 2013 "Darwin’s Dead Idea and the Man Who Helped Kill It" makes for highly engaging reading. Witness the fascinating journey of a smart, inquisitive adolescent rejecting his school’s ask-no-questions religious indoctrination into a mathematician, philosopher, and scientist of the highest order, one who today is powerfully and persuasively challenging academia’s reigning answer to the questions that haunt us all: Where did we come from? Why is there something rather than nothing? A leading spokesman for the scientific theory that is shattering materialist assumptions about reality and the origin of life, Dr. William Dembski responds to probing questions from James Barham, general editor of TheBestSchools.org. That interview forms the core of DDI. Dembski’s forthright and humbly restrained responses reveal the courage, perseverance, and original thinking that have made him a lightning rod in the scientific community. The heated controversy surrounding intelligent design theory dramatically confirms Machiavelli’s observation that there is nothing more difficult to carry out nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. DDI introduces readers to one of the stellar lights of the new order of things now emerging on the horizon. Wonderfully 'humbly restrained' of them, ain't it? 50 bucks says he wrote it ETA It's monopoly money, bitches, I don't actually GAF :D Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Feb. 11 2013,00:35 -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

JohnW Posts: 1930 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,00:36    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 10 2013,21:34) 50 bucks says he wrote it Quote Witness the fascinating journey of a smart, inquisitive adolescent rejecting his school’s ask-no-questions religious indoctrination into a mathematician, philosopher, and scientist of the highest order, one who today is powerfully and persuasively challenging academia’s reigning answer to the questions that haunt us all: Where did we come from? Why is there something rather than nothing? That's an O'Leary sentence, or I'm a duck. -------------- It always amazes me to no end that people who find the Bible abhorent seem to focus only on the few instances where God commands a city destroyed. - FTK

Doc Bill Posts: 966 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,08:32    Yeah, that sounds Dense enough;  highly compacted bullshit. Besides, the original interview was posted on the blog where Dense hangs out now. Just imagine a threesome between Dumbski, Dense and Buell. (I know, Jon or Linda - doesn't matter.)

DiEb Posts: 197 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,09:20    Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 11 2013,14:32) Yeah, that sounds Dense enough;  highly compacted bullshit. Besides, the original interview was posted on the blog where Dense hangs out now. Just imagine a threesome between Dumbski, Dense and Buell. (I know, Jon or Linda - doesn't matter.) And Denyse uses the handle "news" at UncommonDescent... 5.08$ for 74 pages Dembski? *Shudder* Edited by DiEb on Feb. 11 2013,15:22

Woodbine Posts: 454 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,12:55    Quote .....and a scientist of the highest order, Fuck me.

Glen Davidson Posts: 565 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,13:25    Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 11 2013,12:55) Quote .....and a scientist of the highest order, Fuck me. Well, of course. Theology being the queen of sciences, Dembski's apologetics make him into a scientist of the highest order. In ID terms... Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Robin Posts: 1359 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,13:56    Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 10 2013,19:13) Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 11 2013,10:06) oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious And guess who has turned up in the reviewers' comments there? Hint: "ID is NOT anti-evolution." Poor Joe: Initial post: Feb 10, 2013 6:59:29 AM PST Joseph Gallien says: [Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Hide post again.  (Show all unhelpful posts)] Permalink | Report abuse | Ignore this customer 0 of 10 people think this post adds to the discussion. Do you?  Yes No -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

OgreMkV Posts: 2922 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,14:08    Quote (Robin @ Feb. 11 2013,13:56) Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 10 2013,19:13) Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 11 2013,10:06) oh god sparc that book description at amazon is hilarious And guess who has turned up in the reviewers' comments there? Hint: "ID is NOT anti-evolution." Poor Joe: Initial post: Feb 10, 2013 6:59:29 AM PST Joseph Gallien says: [Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Hide post again.  (Show all unhelpful posts)] Permalink | Report abuse | Ignore this customer 0 of 10 people think this post adds to the discussion. Do you?  Yes No I voted it down.  I chose not to engage with Joe anymore. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Doc Bill Posts: 966 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2013,17:37    I signed into my Amazon account and voted Joe G's comments down, too. They're disappearing so fast you'd think DaveScot was running Amazon!

sparc Posts: 1469 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2013,00:42    Searching for BI:NP doesn't result in much news but I found a nice (if true) story about J. Sandford in an still ongoing discussion: Quote There is also a beautiful story about John Sanford, I have a friend who was a post doc at Cornell and on one of the few occasions Sanford went there, he was met with a queue of Bioscience students, who all wanted him to sign a book. I guess he thought, one of his books. No, they all had books such Barney the Dinosaur and the Junior Dinosaur picture book. After about 2 minutes he went bright red (as I imagine longloadr does!) and ran from the campus in tears, so upset he could not drive his own car, and had to be driven home by campus security. ETA: Today's the first anniversary of this thread. Edited by sparc on Mar. 10 2013,10:24 -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

sparc Posts: 1469 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2013,16:38    One day before the first aniversary of the publication of BI:NP that never happend Granville Sewell anounced at UD that he has published yet another updated version of the bitter video in which he complains about the fact that he cannot publish his views on the SLoT again. In the meantime he tried to get his paper published it in the American Journal of Physics and received the answer he diserved (one wonders what he actually expected) although IMHO the reply was still much to kind:       Quote Dear Dr. Sewell, We have reviewed your submission „Poker Entrpoy and the Theory of Compensation” (our manuscript 24445) and determined that it is not appropriate for publication  in the American Journal of Physics. Please refer to the “Information for Contributors” and the “Statement of Editorial Policy” at the AJP homepage (http://www.kzoo.edu/ajp/). We do not see any educational value in your manuscript. Because it is well established in the physics community that there is no conflict between the second law of thermodynamics and evolution, we can consider manuscripts which help students understand why. However, papers that promote views that are contrary to accepted understandings in physics should be sent to research journals not to AJP. Therefore, I regret to inform you that we will not pursue the publication of your manuscript. Ian Tobochnik (taken from G. Sewels video How the Scientific Consensus is Maintained) ETA: I posted this here because in the original video Sewell complained that Springer didn't publish BI:NP. I will leave a copy at the uncommonlydense thread- Edited by sparc on Mar. 30 2013,16:48 -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

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