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Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2012,05:18   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:02)
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Why oh why did it have to be 6,000 years?

They tried for a better answer, but they floundered.

The YECs at UD will be carping on about this for years ...

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2012,08:44   

Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 23 2012,06:18)
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:02)
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Why oh why did it have to be 6,000 years?

They tried for a better answer, but they floundered.

The YECs at UD will be carping on about this for years ...

Nah it was just a fluke

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2012,09:06   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 23 2012,16:44)
Quote (Freddie @ Oct. 23 2012,06:18)
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:02)
 
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Why oh why did it have to be 6,000 years?

They tried for a better answer, but they floundered.

The YECs at UD will be carping on about this for years ...

Nah it was just a fluke

Creationism is a fish out Freshwater

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"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus

  
Southstar



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2012,10:12   

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....340.htm

Real-Time Evolution of New Genes by Innovation, Amplification, and Divergence.

Goodness someone confirms Lenski's work on another critter! Who would have ever thought.

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"Cows who know a moose when they see one will do infinitely better than a cow that pairs with a moose because they cannot see the difference either." Gary Gaulin

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2012,10:25   

Quote (Southstar @ Oct. 23 2012,10:12)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....340.htm

Real-Time Evolution of New Genes by Innovation, Amplification, and Divergence.

Goodness someone confirms Lenski's work on another critter! Who would have ever thought.

Somebody better ask Gpuccio why the dFSCI does not increase when this happens then, lol.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2012,10:45   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 23 2012,18:25)
Quote (Southstar @ Oct. 23 2012,10:12)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....340.htm

Real-Time Evolution of New Genes by Innovation, Amplification, and Divergence.

Goodness someone confirms Lenski's work on another critter! Who would have ever thought.

Somebody better ask Gpuccio why the dFSCI does not increase when this happens then, lol.

Just ask him how much it increases in bytes per dram per furlong per fortnight.

Give or take.

Has anyone asked what dimensions they're using?

Expect Joe to come back with some inane 4 by 2 answer.

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"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2012,10:50   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 23 2012,10:25)
Quote (Southstar @ Oct. 23 2012,10:12)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....340.htm

Real-Time Evolution of New Genes by Innovation, Amplification, and Divergence.

Goodness someone confirms Lenski's work on another critter! Who would have ever thought.

Somebody better ask Gpuccio why the dFSCI does not increase when this happens then, lol.

Give it up. dFSCI is defined as that which isn't the result of necessity mechanisms.

And stop saying circular.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,01:44   

Interesting articles:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....353.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....357.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....922.htm

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
Southstar



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,05:16   

The last article rgarding predictable genetic patterns will be heavily quote mined by tards

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"Cows who know a moose when they see one will do infinitely better than a cow that pairs with a moose because they cannot see the difference either." Gary Gaulin

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,13:17   

Really? But it's just convergent evolution! ;)

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2012,13:43   

Quote (Southstar @ Oct. 26 2012,05:16)
The last article rgarding predictable genetic patterns will be heavily quote mined by tards

I think we can safely predict they won't link to the article.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2012,07:10   

Quote (Southstar @ Oct. 26 2012,03:16)
The last article rgarding predictable genetic patterns will be heavily quote mined by tards

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2012,11:03   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 22 2012,14:20)
Science broken.

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L'AQUILA, Italy An Italian court has convicted seven scientists and experts of failing to adequately warn citizens before an earthquake struck central Italy in 2009, killing more than 300 people.

The court in L'Aquila Monday evening handed down six-year-prison sentences to the defendants, members of a national "Great Risks Commission."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science....3NNZ8K7

Bruce Schneier had a very smart take on this

His is an excellent blog, btw.

   
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2012,06:17   

On behe and the allegedly "irreducible" mouse trap:

http://bioimplement.blogspot.sg/2012.......ux.html



ETA: Check out the other articles on that site too.

Edited by The whole truth on Oct. 29 2012,04:31

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2012,15:29   

http://www.biology-direct.com/content....bstract

Early evolution of efficient enzymes and genome organization

Abstract (provisional)
Background
Cellular life with complex metabolism probably evolved during the reign of RNA, when it served as both information carrier and enzyme. Jensen proposed that enzymes of primordial cells possessed broad specificities: they were generalist. When and under what conditions could primordial metabolism run by generalist enzymes evolve to contemporary-type metabolism run by specific enzymes?

Results
Here we show by numerical simulation of an enzyme-catalyzed reaction chain that specialist enzymes spread after the invention of the chromosome because protocells harbouring unlinked genes maintain largely non-specific enzymes to reduce their assortment load. When genes are linked on chromosomes, high enzyme specificity evolves because it increases biomass production, also by reducing taxation by side reactions.

Conclusion
The constitution of the genetic system has a profound influence on the limits of metabolic efficiency. The major evolutionary transition to chromosomes is thus proven to be a prerequisite for a complex metabolism. Furthermore, the appearance of specific enzymes opens the door for the evolution of their regulation.

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My take: another nail in the "islands of function" meme that Gardon "Golfball Through a Gardenhose" Mullings likes to abuse.

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Im referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Im not an evolutionist, Im a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2012,08:55   

Hey guys and gals, put on your hiking boots and get out your night-vision goggles! There are Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) in them thar hills and if you find one you'll be rich!

http://www.spike.com/article....y-is-on

And a somewhat related story:

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories....t-blimp

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2012,17:35   

The evolution of creationism

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PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2012,09:28   

Happy Re-elect Barak Obama Day in America, everyone! ;)

And for predicting that, I will not eat a bug, like this man, if Romney wins.

The Rise of the Poll Quants (or, Why Sam Wang Might Eat a Bug)

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2012,10:50   

Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 06 2012,09:28)
Happy Re-elect Barak Obama Day in America, everyone! ;)

And for predicting that, I will not eat a bug, like this man, if Romney wins.

The Rise of the Poll Quants (or, Why Sam Wang Might Eat a Bug)

Delphi says: Many people are going to be surprised by the results.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2012,13:27   

Quote (afarensis @ Nov. 05 2012,17:35)
The evolution of creationism

Worthwhile read, Afarensis. Thanks! :)

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2012,10:57   

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Happy Re-elect Barak Obama Day in America, everyone! ;)

I am relieved. Went to bed with headphones on, couldn't wait till morning for the good news.

Cheers from an European socialist hell with health care for all, and I mean all.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2012,08:56   

Quote (Quack @ Nov. 07 2012,10:57)
 
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Happy Re-elect Barak Obama Day in America, everyone! ;)

I am relieved. Went to bed with headphones on, couldn't wait till morning for the good news.

Cheers from an European socialist hell with health care for all, and I mean all.

Follow up to the article I posted: The Poll Quants Won the Election.

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

AtBC Poet Laureate

"I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive

"Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2012,09:55   

Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 08 2012,08:56)
Quote (Quack @ Nov. 07 2012,10:57)
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Happy Re-elect Barak Obama Day in America, everyone! ;)

I am relieved. Went to bed with headphones on, couldn't wait till morning for the good news.

Cheers from an European socialist hell with health care for all, and I mean all.

Follow up to the article I posted: The Poll Quants Won the Election.

So, reason and quantitative analysis are more accurate than gut feelings and common sense.

If only everyone understood this.

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Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2012,03:25   

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....550.htm

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2012,05:50   

Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 11 2012,03:25)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....550.htm

Speaking of OOL, about a week or so since I read an article about a possible environment for OOL. A discovery on Greenland, in rock or sediment area of about the right age, consisting of some sort of mud. The article mentioned the probable characteristics of the environment at the time as more conducive to OOL than black smokers, they may be too hot for OOL processes.

I searched Science Daily earlier today but couldn't find it, don't think I saw it elsewhere.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2012,06:03   

Quote (Quack @ Nov. 12 2012,03:50)
 
Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 11 2012,03:25)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....550.htm

Speaking of OOL, about a week or so since I read an article about a possible environment for OOL. A discovery on Greenland, in rock or sediment area of about the right age, consisting of some sort of mud. The article mentioned the probable characteristics of the environment at the time as more conducive to OOL than black smokers, they may be too hot for OOL processes.

I searched Science Daily earlier today but couldn't find it, don't think I saw it elsewhere.

Is this it?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....340.htm


ETA: You may find this paper interesting:

http://www.indiana.edu/~geol10....ife.htm


And here's a creationist "perspective":

http://creation.com/images....2-4.pdf

Edited by The whole truth on Nov. 12 2012,04:22

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2012,07:47   

Thank you, that's the one! Why couldn't I find it searching greenland + mud?

ETA:
Aaah, and our old friend the double Snelling...

Edited by Quack on Nov. 12 2012,07:56

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2012,09:49   

Quote (Quack @ Nov. 12 2012,05:47)
Thank you, that's the one! Why couldn't I find it searching greenland + mud?

ETA:
Aaah, and our old friend the double Snelling...


You're welcome. I often run into problems when searching for something too. I found the article by doing a Google search for greenland origin of life.

ETA: I'm not familiar with Snelling. It sounds like you've encountered him/her before.

Edited by The whole truth on Nov. 12 2012,08:17

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2012,15:44   

Not much, but I actually got an email reply fromthe guy a few years ago.

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2012,16:01   

Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 12 2012,09:49)
 
Quote (Quack @ Nov. 12 2012,05:47)
Aaah, and our old friend the double Snelling...

I'm not familiar with Snelling. It sounds like you've encountered him/her before.

Andrew Snelling is a big name in Young-Earth Creationism who is noted for his 'double life'on the one hand, he is the Editor in Chief of the Creationist magazine Answers Reseach Journal (which seems to have only one editor); on the other hand, he has published a number of real scientific papers in the field of geology, papers which make just as much use of the standard millions-of-years timescale as do papers written by any real geologist.

  
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