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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,16:51   

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To compound the problem you need a fully working automobile to gather the parts together to make an automobile.

What does that even mean? Automobiles have babies? I thought they came from Santa.
Quote (J-Dog @ April 11 2007,13:53)
The punctuated equilibrium of their posting is nice, but I believe the key to the insanity is in the Topics Of Discussion

Specifically:

I don't think the Bible contradicts the existence of cavemen (Well DUH! I'm here, ain't I?)

temporo-spacial anomaly on Noah's Ark: fascinating
(Next topic for the kids is How Many Angels Can Dance On The Head Of a Pin, and for Kristine - Why Do Chicks Dig Unicorns)

My dad once hired a plumber who worked in a faith-based manner (I PRAYED that the leak stopped - And it did... NOT! Maybe the Reverend Ted Haggard stopped by, and one thing led to another.... next thing you know they're ....well, you know...

I know a caveman who's gonna get coal in his stocking! :)

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,16:56   

I guess I presume everybody who posts on UD is one of "them". Kinda for a combination of reasons, despite their claims of enjoying open discussion.

Sorry Fross - how do you walk that bannation line?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,17:55   

Quote (N.Wells @ April 11 2007,14:06)
...6 days 8 hours ago
temporo-spacial anomaly on Noah's Ark: fascinating...

Ark as Tardis. Like The Matrix. Guided by the Big Head. It works!

But shouldn't that be temporo-facial anomaly?

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,17:55   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 11 2007,16:22)
Plus, I think it is really great that there are people out there like Paul Nelson and Sal Cordova who are trying to preserve the integrity of the Biblical Record.

But, you know, ID isn't about religion.  No sirree Bob.  It's just them atheist darwinists and them plagiarizing judges who say it is.

(snicker)  (giggle)



No *wonder* ID is dead as a mackerel.

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,20:27   

GD.

William Dembski, you are an overpaid IDIOT.

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So let me spell it out: DIRECTED EVOLUTION IS NON-DARWINIAN. DARWINIAN EVOLUTION IS NON-DIRECTED.


Ok, then ask the "pro-ID" authors of the "pro-ID" paper why they call directed evolution of proteins "Darwinian".

http://www.springerlink.com/content/d514772515583767/fulltext.html
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It is often said that random genetic methods to improve enzyme properties “rely on simple but powerful Darwinian principles of mutation and selection” (Johannes and Zhao 2006). We agree.


Oh and this is the best line:
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“Directed evolution” properly falls under ID.
Like, say EUGENICS?

Fross was first to point this out, but Dembski needs it spelled out for him in caps.

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,20:33   

Good god, these people are RETARDED!!1

Atom:
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Natural “Selection” on the other hand is a-causal; it doesn’t cause differential reproduction, because it IS differential reproduction.
Huh?

The differential reproduction rates isn't caused by anything? Or it's caused by itself? What?

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Anyway, Artificial Selection is VERY ID, since it is: a) causal and b) has as its cause intelligence.

I don’t see how it can not be considered ID.
Thank you, Atom. Thank you for pointing out that eugenics was an ID research program. See? The IDers did do research at one point. Oh, coming so close to breaking Godwin's Law.

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,20:39   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 11 2007,15:04)
DS get's down to the specifics of what is and what is not designed:      
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Proteins don’t automatically warrant a design inference. It depends...

It depends you say DS? Really? I say, this should be fasinating
   
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It depends on the function of the protein and interdependencies on other proteins

Oh rlly? That helps alot. It depends <blah blah blah>. This guy is unbelievable. He has the time to type in hundreds of words (it just goes on)
   
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The whole machine must be assembled and working in order produce the parts that make the up machine that makes the parts!
   
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How’d that happen without a designer envisioning the entire machine in abstract then building all the hundreds of interlocking pieces that make it up simultaneously?
   
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To compound the problem you need a fully working automobile to gather the parts together to make an automobile.

I think what DS has failed to grasp, as evidenced by the next quote, is that behind every internet blog or site there are also 100's of scientists doing actual research.
   
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This is the story the chance & necessity pundits ask you to accept and take as a matter of materialistic faith that, impossible as it sounds, eventually science will reveal how it was done without intelligent agency.

chance & necessity pundits??? That says it all about DS . Pundits? It's not pundits that need to be convinced DS...
And evolution works at different speeds for DS    
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In 20,000 years of artificial selection and preservation of variants that never would have survived in the wild there hasn’t been a single variant with an anatomical feature not characteristic of canines...<snip>Not even something as simple as a retractable claw.

But hang on, I remember at the start we we going to learn something about "when to make a design inference".
   
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Proteins don’t automatically warrant a design inference. It depends...

Remember DS? What do we get instead?
   
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Intelligent agency solves all these problems.

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it seems premature to rule out exotic forms of intelligent agency that could very well be composed of non-baryonic matter that we only suspect exists through indirect observation of its gravitational effects on normal matter. In fact what we consider normal matter and energy may be the minority component and thus really an atypical form in the big picture

Link to the unsufferable IDiots post
Maybe DS can see the writing on the wall nonetheless?
 
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Hubris is rampant in the halls of science today. Of course that’s nothing new. The history of science is littered with disgarded theories that were once thought to be writ in granite.

Ask Behe about astrology and dover DS. See what he says about it.

How do you like the butlicking replies?
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Dave,

This is such a good essay (#16), why don’t you repost it as a new topic so it won’t be lost in the comments here?

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Please do, DaveScot.
I’ve copied it and saved it to a word doc…. but it would be cool if you’d post it as its own topic - easier retrieval.


p u k e. . .

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,20:51   

What scientific paper has political language like this? In the abstract no less?  
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Second, the argument is presented that the selfish DNA "hypothesis" is actually a narrative scheme, that it serves to protect neo-Darwinian assumptions from criticism, and that this story is untestable and therefore not a hypothesis.

http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/content/abstract/981/1/154

Taken from this pack of lies from scrotalova:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....ponents

More political language:
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It is argued throughout that a new conceptual framework is needed for understanding the roles of repetitive DNA in genomic/epigenetic systems, and that neo-Darwinian "narratives" have been the primary obstacle to elucidating the effects of these enigmatic components of chromosomes.

How weird. Unless this is just an article that comes before actual research papers, like they have in Science and Nature.

I don't have access to the highly prestigious "Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences" so I can't read this essay. The abstract sure makes it sound like a review or even some kind of position paper. As in: no original research presented.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,22:53   

Dembski seems to have just found Youtube.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2007,23:59   

http://www.google.com/trends?....ate=all

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,00:27   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 11 2007,22:53)
Dembski seems to have just found Youtube.

Or he's been reading Pharyngula.

Bob

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,00:31   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 11 2007,21:53)
Dembski seems to have just found Youtube.

No kidding! Well, how in the #### can they put that pottymouth mom on UD? GMAFB!

And that's not...that's not the "Way of the Banana Master" video, right? No, it simply cannot be - not after that whole crapola thread about artificial selection being "caused" and natural selection being "acausal," they're not going to parade Chiquita bananas before the world as not artificially selected, are they? Hahaha! :D

You see Phonon, it's gravity when an apple falls but it's not gravity when you drop an apple. That's intelligent falling, when you drop an apple. Got it? :)

Oh, but this breaks my heart.  
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If the direct approach of withholding Christmas presents doesn’t work, here’s a more reasoned approach along the lines of classical natural theology...blah

Excuse me? Who withheld a Christmas card and original poem by Moi from themselves? :(

No Santa, no unicorns, no sugar from those guys. Not even a big red pen giving me an "F." I can't take it.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,07:16   

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Your answer is telling. You said that one prerequisite for Natural Selection was “c) differential fitness / reproductive success based on that heritable variation” also known as differential reproduction. (How else can “fitness” be measured? An organism is only as “fit” as the extra fraction of offspring it produces.) But you also said that the end result is differential reproduction: “…the entire *process* that yields differential reproduction”

"How else can fitness be measured"

Oh, I don't know. Maybe by observing nature.

We observe traits. We observe that some traits are heritable. We observe differential reproductive success. Then we devise an observation to link heritable traits with reproductive success. Let's expose clonal bacteria to antibiotics and see if some have traits that allow differential survival. Look at the birds and the bees. Or watch competitive human mating practices at a high school dance.

Gee whiz. Open your eyes.



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So, if I understand you and Darwinists correctly: Natural Selection is a process that requires differential reproduction as a prerequisite to yield differential reproduction. You see my problem with that?

Yes. Your problem is that you have assumed your conclusion, then you are forced to interpret everything to fit that preconception.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,09:12   

Jack Bauer from CTU writes:

https://www2.blogger.com/comment....3353024

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DaveScot said...
blipey

Monday sometime during normal working hours is fine barring unforseen circumstances but I'm not going out of my way and I'm not at all inclined to spend more than a couple minutes of my time on you.

I'll be working out at my lakefront property that day and you can find me there. Heed the posted warning about security dogs and do not get out of your car until I tell you it's safe to do so. Don't start honking your horn at the front gate and bothering my neighbors either. The dogs will let me know when you arrive. No way are you getting my cell number. If you hear a tractor or chainsaw running somewhere out of sight be patient as I can't hear the dogs over it. Neither will be running continuously for very long.

Don't even think of making a nuisance of yourself as there's only one road in and out of town and no way for you to leave quicker than I can call the town constable to intercept you. Be alone or don't bother showing up. If you try calling me on the phone you can forget about it altogether. Email me with an approximate Austin ETA and I'll reply with directions on how to get from Austin to there. It's about a half hour northwest of the city. dspringer56 at hotmail.

None of this is negotiable.



DO BRING TEH CHEESYPOOFS AND DO MAKESURE ITS FAMILY SIZE. I HAVE THE TOWN CONSTIPLE ON AN INTERCEPTOR VECTOR AT O-NINER-BIG-THIRTY, ERM, BRAVO. BRINGE THE 'PACKAGE' AND DEPLOY IT IN THE DEPLOYER THING. MY MEN HAVE A SOFT PERMINITER AND USE OF TARD HAS BEEN APPROVED.


*ccccCCCUUUUCUCkkkkkkZZZZ*

OVER AND OUT.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,09:23   

William Dembski
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Darwinian evolution, which is blind, is the inspiration for evolutionary computing, which employs well-crafted fitness landscapes to achieve ends and therefore is not blind — and therefore is properly a branch of ID and non-Darwinian.

ID ("Intelligent Design") refers to a specific claim that the patterns in natural biology are best explained as the result of agency.

Dembski's conflation is like saying gene-splicing supports ID. Or that artificial satellites support Intelligent Falling. It does not. Gene splices may be designed intelligently, that doesn't make it ID.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,09:33   

*edit anger*

Dave Scott Springer =TOTAL SCUM.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,10:15   

Why do I get the impression that DaveScotty-o-Scott is:



He's running about screaming "The Evos are coming! The Evos are coming!" and is about as friendly as a bag of slightly moody whelks. In his little paranoid world no doubt Blipey is coming to kill him or do something really mean. That's why he's threatened to sick the dogs/fuzz on him! What must it be like to live in Dave's terrified little world.

{shakes head}

Louis

P.S. I'd buy anyone a beer btw, so if you IDers come over to the UK and I'm available I'll stick an alcoholic beverage in your paw for you. Of course if you're an arsehole it'll only be one beer, but I'm willing to risk a couple of quid on the possibility of an interesting conversation. Of course if any of you other non-IDer types make it over, I will go as far as a beer and a chaser minimum. Never let it be said that I am not generous, oh no! And if it's Deadman that comes over, he just gets a squirrel surprise and a trip to the RSPCA dungeon.

P.P.S. Awww K.E., you shouldn't edit out your rage, it was good rage, I read it before edit......and I agree with you btw! D'Tard is a cowardly little maggot (online at least), still it's always fun to meet these chaps in real life, they usually turn out to be a laugh in real life. I bet D'Tard has stories about him and Mike Dell suppin' a few and when he conquered the Alamo or some such as a marine. Doubtless I'd be really impressed, although I would be worried about all the women I know practically flipping out their uteruses to accept his manly sperm and begging for his children to be implanted in their unworthy but oh so willing bodies. That and the fact that we don't have many cheesy poofs in the UK

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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,10:20   

Quote (Louis @ April 12 2007,10:15)
Why do I get the impression that DaveScotty-o-Scott is:



He's running about screaming "The Evos are coming! The Evos are coming!" and is about as friendly as a bag of slightly moody whelks. In his little paranoid world no doubt Blipey is coming to kill him or do something really mean. That's why he's threatened to sick the dogs/fuzz on him! What must it be like to live in Dave's terrified little world.

{shakes head}

Louis

P.S. I'd buy anyone a beer btw, so if you IDers come over to the UK and I'm available I'll stick an alcoholic beverage in your paw for you. Of course if you're an arsehole it'll only be one beer, but I'm willing to risk a couple of quid on the possibility of an interesting conversation. Of course if any of you other non-IDer types make it over, I will go as far as a beer and a chaser minimum. Never let it be said that I am not generous, oh no! And if it's Deadman that comes over, he just gets a squirrel surprise and a trip to the RSPCA dungeon.

P.P.S. Awww K.E., you shouldn't edit out your rage, it was good rage, I read it before edit......and I agree with you btw! D'Tard is a cowardly little maggot (online at least), still it's always fun to meet these chaps in real life, they usually turn out to be a laugh in real life. I bet D'Tard has stories about him and Mike Dell suppin' a few and when he conquered the Alamo or some such as a marine. Doubtless I'd be really impressed, although I would be worried about all the women I know practically flipping out their uteruses to accept his manly sperm and begging for his children to be implanted in their unworthy but oh so willing bodies. That and the fact that we don't have many cheesy poofs in the UK

YOUR A CHEESY POOF. MINCER.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,10:27   

YOUR MOTHER'S A CHEESY MINCER. POOF. D'TARD

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,10:29   

Quote (Kristine @ April 12 2007,00:31)
You see Phonon, it's gravity when an apple falls but it's not gravity when you drop an apple. That's intelligent falling, when you drop an apple. Got it? :)

Durn, I guess Newton was just wasting his time working from Galileo's discoveries. He should have just realized that falling was a result of the invisible hand of the designer. After all, current theory cannot explain the source of the force of gravity. It is, OTOH, best explained as a result of intelligent agency. If Newton had just paid a little closer attention to Galileo's experiments, he would have seen that they were all pro-IF.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,10:44   

Richard linked to a snide comment by Dembski about liberals preferring politics over charity a few pages back (I can't find it).  :angry:

Well maybe one person's politics is another person's charity, Bill (and WinglesS, and all).

Study reveals "Robin Hood impulse" in human nature.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,10:49   

Quote (Kristine @ April 12 2007,10:44)
Richard linked to a snide comment by Dembski about liberals preferring politics over charity a few pages back (I can't find it).  :angry:

Well maybe one person's politics is another person's charity, Bill (and WinglesS, and all).

Study reveals "Robin Hood impulse" in human nature.

Atheists give more.

Sorry, fundies!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,10:53   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 11 2007,15:22)
Good week for Tard chicks:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-116249  


Down, Richard. You don't know that DanaMcgee is a gurl. It could be like the Woody Allen anecdote, when he was a kid with the other boys who were listing their favorite Hollywood pin-ups, and because he didn't know any Woody blurted out, "Dana Andrews!"  :)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,11:15   

PhhhHhh.

Contrary to FtK's position (which is the missionary), Fundy chics have a propensity to be shocking in the sack, so DaveTard tells me and he's an autodictor IQ North of 150 / Millionaire / Built like a NFL player - middleweight boxer / Killing machine marine.

Or maybe they just love his cheey-flavoured kisses!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,11:58   

Dembski:  
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Darwinian evolution, which is blind, is the inspiration for evolutionary computing, which employs well-crafted fitness landscapes to achieve ends and therefore is not blind — and therefore is properly a branch of ID and non-Darwinian.

"Well-crafted"?  When an evolutionary algorithm is used to solve a problem, the fitness landscape is inherent in the problem.  "Crafting" a fitness function would make no sense.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,12:10   

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PhhhHhh.

Contrary to FtK's position (which is the missionary), Fundy chics have a propensity to be shocking in the sack, so DaveTard tells me and he's an autodictor IQ North of 150 / Millionaire / Built like a NFL player - middleweight boxer / Killing machine marine.

Or maybe they just love his cheey-flavoured kisses!


OH YEAH RICH-TARD, YOU HOMO. I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW FTK'S POSITION IS FROGGY STYLE AND WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE ENVIOUS OF MY AUTODICK NORTH IQ OF 150. JUST BECAUSE WITH YOUR PUNY CHURCH BURNING EBOLA SPREADING PEE PEE WOMEN AREN'T FALLING AT YOUR FEET TO HAVE YOUR BABIES LIKE THEY ARE AT MY MARINE TRAINING SHOE CLAD FEET WITH THE DELL SYMBOL ON EACH ANKLE. BUBBA, SICK THE DOGS ON HIM AND CALL THE CONSTABLE TOO. I'LL LEARN YOU HOMOS. DT

This has been a broadcast of the Tard Messaging Service.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,13:14   

The Discovery Institute tour bus?



Hat-tip to PeeZee at Pharyngula.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,13:27   

Charlie          
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Natural selection is anything but random. Natural selection is a guided process,guided not by any higher power, but simply by which genes survive and which genes don’t survive. That’s a non-random process.-- Richard Dawkins.

Natural selection is guided after all - by natural selection.

Except the context reveals a different meaning (emphasis added).

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Natural selection is anything but random. Natural selection is a guided process, guided not by any higher power, but simply by which genes survive and which genes don't survive. That's a non-random process. The animals that are best at whatever they do-hunting, flying, fishing, swimming, digging-whatever the species does, the individuals that are best at it are the ones that pass on the genes. It's because of this non-random process that lions are so good at hunting, antelopes so good at running away from lions, and fish are so good at swimming. -- Richard Dawkins.

Now, let's apply that.

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This is the circularity inherent in thinking of NS as a force. NS is a description of differential reproduction which only “leads” to itself, differential reproduction. And because of differential reproduction, we have the very real fact that more organisms with “fit” traits will exist than those without them. But that is a tautology.

As Dawkins points out, we observe heritable traits such as the ability to hunt, fly, fish, swim, dig. And we can observe that these traits lead to differential reproduction. A tautology is necessarily true. Natural selection is not a tautology, but an observed facet of nature.

As with much of ID, there's a curious lack of curiosity concerning even the most fundamental observations of nature.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,13:38   

can anyone with UD posting rights alert them to this thread?

http://thesciphishow.com/forums/index.php?topic=114.15

I'm sure they'd love to partake.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2007,14:28   

Once again Richardthughes is spitting his vile, venemous vitriol at the wise, scientificalily impeccable ID proponentists: I will not dignify this kind of perverse twisting of the Intelligent Design movement with a response, but Jason has answered about the CSI of a pile of rocks here:        
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The complexity being the arrangement of stones (presumably not just lying on the ground) and the specification being the particular pattern that makes up a land boundary (as opposed to other assortments of stones).
and it is not up to Jason or anyone else to descend to any additional level of pathetic detail.

So mote it be!...WAD

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