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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,14:37   

Oh, here it is...

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....=187110

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,14:54   

Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,11:17)
I thought I'd just got the captcha wrong (again!), but no.

I got a Captcha error and thought I'd been banned, but apparently not. I was just overwhelmed at work this week and missed the whole thing.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,14:55   

Quote (Robin @ Feb. 10 2012,15:31)
Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,14:11)
 
Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 10 2012,20:07)
This would be a good time to let UD die, by not engaging them and letting them have their "fun" on their unfairly moderated turf. As doveton said in regard to the "major house cleaning":

"It will be interesting to see what the post count goes down to with no one here to give a compelling reason to comment. Well…except for an occasion “Oh yeah!” and “Couldn’t agree more!” Explain to me where the fun for the pro-IDer is in that exactly?"

Looks like Doveton is out as well.

Wait...what? What happened to Doveton and how do you know the person has been banned?

ETA: Ahh...I see it now. The Voice in the Ceiling:

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UD: Doveton’s out. Anyone else?

Peter Griffin appears to be trying to get on Barry's radar, popping up like a whack-a-mole.

The idea of sealing UD closed to outside influence has appealed to me for some time.  I never expected them to be locking the door from the inside, though.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,14:57   

Peter Griffin could be next for the long knives:
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10.2.1  Peter Griffin  February 10, 2012 at 2:27 pm

Hi Barry,
Why was Elizabeth banned? I don’t believe she broke the administrative position on civility, such as it has been written down.

In time period X (about 3-4 months) Elizabeth has posted at least 1479 times. Next on the list is bornagain with 1194 and then we have kairosfocus on 1084. Then bringing up the rear is Joe with 952.

So you’ve just banned the most active poster, the person making the most impact on your blog in terms of argumentative quality/ability and hits.

Now the number 1 poster is BA77. Then KF. Then Joe.

Perhaps now the number 1 critic is gone you’ll all be able to concentrate on that ID research that’s so very long in coming?

As Mr Mode once said, Enjoy The Silence!


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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:02   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:17)
Let me also add that I applaud the double-standards of U.D.

Let's face reality here, ladies, gentlemen, and chubby guys with oddly-shaped heads: Darwinists are vitriolic monsters who have no problem with squashing dissenters. Take away Darwin skeptics livelihoods? They'd have it no other way.

My harsh-but-reasonable opinion is that these sorts of people don't deserve fair treatment until proven otherwise.

I think Liz was civil enough to warrant fair treatment, which I why I'm disappointed she was removed.

The rest of you? Trash that was kicked to the curb. I guess that would make this board the local dump. That seems about right.  :p

awwwwww look at it

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:10   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 10 2012,13:02)
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:17)
Let me also add that I applaud the double-standards of U.D.

Let's face reality here, ladies, gentlemen, and chubby guys with oddly-shaped heads: Darwinists are vitriolic monsters who have no problem with squashing dissenters. Take away Darwin skeptics livelihoods? They'd have it no other way.

My harsh-but-reasonable opinion is that these sorts of people don't deserve fair treatment until proven otherwise.

I think Liz was civil enough to warrant fair treatment, which I why I'm disappointed she was removed.

The rest of you? Trash that was kicked to the curb. I guess that would make this board the local dump. That seems about right.  :p

awwwwww look at it

It's looking promising.  We might not have to bother going elsewhere to laugh at the silly people.

Amuse us, silly person!  And invite your friends!

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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:10   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 10 2012,15:02)
     
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:17)
Let me also add that I applaud the double-standards of U.D.

Let's face reality here, ladies, gentlemen, and chubby guys with oddly-shaped heads: Darwinists are vitriolic monsters who have no problem with squashing dissenters. Take away Darwin skeptics livelihoods? They'd have it no other way.

My harsh-but-reasonable opinion is that these sorts of people don't deserve fair treatment until proven otherwise.

I think Liz was civil enough to warrant fair treatment, which I why I'm disappointed she was removed.

The rest of you? Trash that was kicked to the curb. I guess that would make this board the local dump. That seems about right.  :p

awwwwww look at it

If the Spirit moves you, you just gotta testify.

(Arrington's head, by the way. I mean, c'mon, if that's the criterion...)

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The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

  
Raevmo



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:11   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 10 2012,15:02)
 
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:17)
Let me also add that I applaud the double-standards of U.D.

Let's face reality here, ladies, gentlemen, and chubby guys with oddly-shaped heads: Darwinists are vitriolic monsters who have no problem with squashing dissenters. Take away Darwin skeptics livelihoods? They'd have it no other way.

My harsh-but-reasonable opinion is that these sorts of people don't deserve fair treatment until proven otherwise.

I think Liz was civil enough to warrant fair treatment, which I why I'm disappointed she was removed.

The rest of you? Trash that was kicked to the curb. I guess that would make this board the local dump. That seems about right.  :p

awwwwww look at it

Jared Jammer appears to be all over the internet recycling the same old garbage. He's even a big fan of John A Davison.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:12   

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 10 2012,13:22)
Barry has impulse control problems. He'll regret the banninations when traffic drops off.

Even the true believers among the 'onlookers' get bored when UD devolves into nothing but batshit77 spam and KF sermons, with no intelligent opposition.

You're forgetting the News!

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:13   

I think UD is now a Dead Blog walking.  I will be surprised as hell if they last out the year, and I'm willing to let Dr. Dr. Dembski off the hook for his single-malt bet-welching (sorry Louis)* if they last up to ten years!

After they re-lock up BA^77, probably for violating SLoT and his parole terms, and after the authorities on Montserrat figure out that KairosFocus is behind a series of unsolved violent crimes against women, there will be nobody but Joe over there.

They will soon be longing for the Halycon Days of Glory™when Overwhelmingly Everdense would generate up to 10 posts a month.

* Louis is not Welsh.  At least that's his story, and he's sticking to it.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:18   

Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 10 2012,14:55)
Quote (Robin @ Feb. 10 2012,15:31)
Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,14:11)
 
Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 10 2012,20:07)
This would be a good time to let UD die, by not engaging them and letting them have their "fun" on their unfairly moderated turf. As doveton said in regard to the "major house cleaning":

"It will be interesting to see what the post count goes down to with no one here to give a compelling reason to comment. Well…except for an occasion “Oh yeah!” and “Couldn’t agree more!” Explain to me where the fun for the pro-IDer is in that exactly?"

Looks like Doveton is out as well.

Wait...what? What happened to Doveton and how do you know the person has been banned?

ETA: Ahh...I see it now. The Voice in the Ceiling:

 
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UD: Doveton’s out. Anyone else?

Peter Griffin appears to be trying to get on Barry's radar, popping up like a whack-a-mole.

The idea of sealing UD closed to outside influence has appealed to me for some time.  I never expected them to be locking the door from the inside, though.

I am shocked...SHOCKED I SAY....that I...mean Doveton got banned and Peter hasn't! I thought D asked some poignant and perfectly reasonable questions. On the other hand, I guess he also got a direct answer, which I have to admit, is a rare thing at UD.

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo

The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

  
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:18   

Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,13:40)
Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,19:38)
 
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 10 2012,19:30)
There you have it. A Friday meltdown. And a fine specimen, too.

As I said elsewhere, I recon it is because Barry just spent the week being humiliated in court so he has to take it out on someone, anyone. (Apart from his lapgogs of course!)

Lapdogs, not lapgogs. sorry, commenting from my new smartphone.

Smartphones!  Wicked child.  Smartphones are an invention of Satan! (with apologies to Miriam Margolyes)

The Puritans

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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
Dr. Jammer



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:25   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 10 2012,15:23)
 
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:17)
Let's face reality here, ladies, gentlemen, and chubby guys with oddly-shaped heads: Darwinists are vitriolic monsters who have no problem with squashing dissenters.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's a "bad thing" from the perspective of a rational, civil human being who believes in scientific progress. Someone like me, for example.

Obviously, none of the above applies to you, nor most of the members here. To all of you, so-called "blind watchmaker" evolution (whatever the accepted term for it is nowadays) is a religion. It is your creation story, and, thus, you take challenges to it very personally. That explains the emotional, often vulgar responses to?and hostile treatment of?dissenters.

I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that there are many similarities between the Islamic extremist and the dogmatic Darwinist. They're convinced they're right, you're convinced you're right. You both believe the infidels should be squashed, you just go about it different ways (murder vs. institutionalized discrimination). I'm willing to bet most of you would happily kill I.D. proponents if it weren't for the consequences (read: prison).

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:34   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,16:25)
I'm willing to bet most of you would happily kill I.D. proponents if it weren't for the consequences (read: prison).

pssst, hey stupid

how do you suppose we settle that bet?  



don't mistake being laughed at for anyone giving a fuck about you sunshine

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Dr. Jammer



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:36   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,16:25)
That explains the emotional, often vulgar responses to?and hostile treatment of?dissenters.

I see the mighty em-dash is too much for this archaic, backwoods forum software to handle.

It does seem kind of fitting that a group of irreligiously-motivated people with outdated views of biology would use such an outdated forum.

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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:37   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:25)

I'm willing to bet most of you would happily kill I.D. proponents if it weren't for the consequences (read: prison).

Why yes ... yes, that's exactly what keeps us from killing people with whom we disagree on the internet.

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The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

  
Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:39   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:25)
It's a "bad thing" from the perspective of a rational, civil human being who believes in scientific progress. Someone like me, for example.

Obviously, none of the above applies to you, nor most of the members here. To all of you, so-called "blind watchmaker" evolution (whatever the accepted term for it is nowadays) is a religion. It is your creation story, and, thus, you take challenges to it very personally. That explains the emotional, often vulgar responses to?and hostile treatment of?dissenters.

I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that there are many similarities between the Islamic extremist and the dogmatic Darwinist. They're convinced they're right, you're convinced you're right. You both believe the infidels should be squashed, you just go about it different ways (murder vs. institutionalized discrimination). I'm willing to bet most of you would happily kill I.D. proponents if it weren't for the consequences (read: prison).

Well, that's quite the escalation there Jammer. First it was "Darwinists" squashing dissent, without any evidence of such. Then it was "Darwinists taking away Darwin skeptics' livelihood, again without even a minor reference. Now it's institutionalized discrimination (again, no reference) and a desire to kill I.D. proponents.

Say Jammer, can you even reference a time when a so-called "Darwinist" even threatened an I.D. proponent with some form of physical harm? Again...just curious.

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:40   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 10 2012,15:37)
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:25)

I'm willing to bet most of you would happily kill I.D. proponents if it weren't for the consequences (read: prison).

Why yes ... yes, that's exactly what keeps us from killing people with whom we disagree on the internet.

No no...it's the porn. We're distracted by the Intertubez Pornz!

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo

The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

  
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:41   

Speaking of an oddly shaped head:



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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
Raevmo



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:44   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 10 2012,15:41)
Speaking of an oddly shaped head:


Barry even screwed up the swastika. What an idiot indeed.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:45   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:25)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 10 2012,15:23)
   
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:17)
Let's face reality here, ladies, gentlemen, and chubby guys with oddly-shaped heads: Darwinists are vitriolic monsters who have no problem with squashing dissenters.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's a "bad thing" from the perspective of a rational, civil human being who believes in scientific progress. Someone like me, for example.

Obviously, none of the above applies to you, nor most of the members here. To all of you, so-called "blind watchmaker" evolution (whatever the accepted term for it is nowadays) is a religion. It is your creation story, and, thus, you take challenges to it very personally. That explains the emotional, often vulgar responses to?and hostile treatment of?dissenters.

I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that there are many similarities between the Islamic extremist and the dogmatic Darwinist. They're convinced they're right, you're convinced you're right. You both believe the infidels should be squashed, you just go about it different ways (murder vs. institutionalized discrimination). I'm willing to bet most of you would happily kill I.D. proponents if it weren't for the consequences (read: prison).

Hey buddy. Pzzst? Wanna buy a thread?

Oh yeah.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:47   

Okay - which one of you guys is "Dr. Jammer"?

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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
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Dr. Jammer



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:48   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 10 2012,16:34)
don't mistake being laughed at for anyone giving a fuck about you sunshine

Everyone here is obsessed with the Intelligent Design revolution. You all dedicate significant portions of your life to it. It consumes each and every one of you.

If you had to choose between spending time with your families or obsessing over the I.D. scientific revolution on message boards, you'd choose the latter with nary a second's hesitation. I have a hunch that quite a few of you face that exact scenario on a regular basis.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:49   

Quote (Freddie @ Feb. 10 2012,16:47)
Okay - which one of you guys is "Dr. Jammer"?

POTW

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:50   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,16:48)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 10 2012,16:34)
don't mistake being laughed at for anyone giving a fuck about you sunshine

Everyone here is obsessed with the Intelligent Design revolution. You all dedicate significant portions of your life to it. It consumes each and every one of you.

If you had to choose between spending time with your families or obsessing over the I.D. scientific revolution on message boards, you'd choose the latter with nary a second's hesitation. I have a hunch that quite a few of you face that exact scenario on a regular basis.

i also take time out of every day to go shit.  drop what i am doing, actually.  amazing, isn't it?

why don't you go to your own thread now sweatheart

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:50   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:25)
Obviously, none of the above applies to you, nor most of the members here. To all of you, so-called "blind watchmaker" evolution (whatever the accepted term for it is nowadays) is a religion. It is your creation story, and, thus, you take challenges to it very personally. That explains the emotional, often vulgar responses to?and hostile treatment of?dissenters.


You know what is so funny, dude?  Barry has banned more people *today* than have been banned from this forum during it's entire existence, which stretches back approximately 10 years.

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It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:52   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:36)
It does seem kind of fitting that a group of irreligiously-motivated people with outdated views of biology would use such an outdated forum.

Lol. Let's get the people who intelligently designed the comment system at UD in then, they'll fix it up a treat!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:53   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:48)

If you had to choose between spending time with your families [...]

I have a family? ... oh, crap ... I have a family!

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The organism could already metabolize citrus. Joe G

  
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:56   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 10 2012,15:49)
Quote (Freddie @ Feb. 10 2012,16:47)
Okay - which one of you guys is "Dr. Jammer"?

POTW

Fuck me - that's two POTW nominations for two different posts in one day.  I am SO happy I decided to take today off and screw around here for a couple of hours.

Yes.  I need to get out more.

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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
Raevmo



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,15:59   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ Feb. 10 2012,15:48)

If you had to choose between spending time with your families or obsessing over the I.D. scientific revolution on message boards, you'd choose the latter with nary a second's hesitation. I have a hunch that quite a few of you face that exact scenario on a regular basis.

Says the guy who has left thousands of pro-ID messages all over the place in a few years.

Do tell about the "I.D. scientific revolution".

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After much reflection I finally realized that the best way to describe the cause of the universe is: the great I AM.

--GilDodgen

  
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