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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,09:55   

how many times has that been brought up over there? dozens

they aint gonna do shit because joes tardery is about half the hits on that rag

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Raevmo



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,09:56   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 10 2012,09:35)
Peter Griffin (who, he?) collects together some of Joe's recent insults and pastes them into a single comment.

KF says:
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Joe: Pardon, but if you have been speaking in that way [and it looks like the clips are accurate, from your responses . . . ], I suggest you will find it best to dial back your tone a few notches. We in the main need to focus on issues not personalities. Controversial matters are best addressed in that way, otherwise the sidetracks will tend to derail serious discussion. KF

Barry says:
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I agree with KF Joe. You are warned.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-419857

Funny how Joe get's a warning after dozens of "offences" and others are insta-banned after one...

What's the theory du jour on that? Do UD's ban-buttonmen really agree with Joe's stupidity and hypocritically accept his "incivility" because he's on their side, or do they have some evidence that banning him would decrease the number of onlookers at UD?

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,10:04   

Last comment on this:

Oh, I wasn't banned for the perceived insult. That was up for a while. Barry isn't that thin-skinned.

No one there cares about insults. On that thread alone, I've been referred to as: bizarre, downright scary, poor soul, self-deceived, mentally ill, a drug addict, and sad and pathetic.

I got banned for asking if Barry understood that the use of authorities with special insight as evidence (as in the expert witnesses he calls to trial) isn't the same thing as the fallacy of appeal to authority.

Anyone with a suicidal sock could as Barry if he's ever called an expert witness to the stand, or if anyone with some unevidenced opinion will do.

  
Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,10:07   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 10 2012,03:11)
Joe eats information

Not only matter and energy, but Information and "Life", went into Joe's pizza. And the information, apparently, is separately processed.

It would seem that Joe's body doesn't process information.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,10:25   

Quote (Raevmo @ Feb. 10 2012,09:56)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 10 2012,09:35)
Peter Griffin (who, he?) collects together some of Joe's recent insults and pastes them into a single comment.

KF says:
 
Quote
Joe: Pardon, but if you have been speaking in that way [and it looks like the clips are accurate, from your responses . . . ], I suggest you will find it best to dial back your tone a few notches. We in the main need to focus on issues not personalities. Controversial matters are best addressed in that way, otherwise the sidetracks will tend to derail serious discussion. KF

Barry says:
 
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I agree with KF Joe. You are warned.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-419857

Funny how Joe get's a warning after dozens of "offences" and others are insta-banned after one...

What's the theory du jour on that? Do UD's ban-buttonmen really agree with Joe's stupidity and hypocritically accept his "incivility" because he's on their side, or do they have some evidence that banning him would decrease the number of onlookers at UD?

Honestly, Joe is about the only person there capable of discussing the 'science' involved...

and that ought to tell a little about the entire enterprise over there.

It took me less than 2 minutes to find 3 major mistakes in Gordon's "go-to" website of explanation on CFI... or whatever it was.  He can't defend it, he just assumes that it's all correct.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,10:32   

Quote (Raevmo @ Feb. 10 2012,09:56)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 10 2012,09:35)
Peter Griffin (who, he?) collects together some of Joe's recent insults and pastes them into a single comment.

KF says:
 
Quote
Joe: Pardon, but if you have been speaking in that way [and it looks like the clips are accurate, from your responses . . . ], I suggest you will find it best to dial back your tone a few notches. We in the main need to focus on issues not personalities. Controversial matters are best addressed in that way, otherwise the sidetracks will tend to derail serious discussion. KF

Barry says:
 
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I agree with KF Joe. You are warned.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-419857

Funny how Joe get's a warning after dozens of "offences" and others are insta-banned after one...

What's the theory du jour on that? Do UD's ban-buttonmen really agree with Joe's stupidity and hypocritically accept his "incivility" because he's on their side, or do they have some evidence that banning him would decrease the number of onlookers at UD?

More likely, they also realize that he is a complete fucking moron and mostly ignore his comments.

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It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,10:35   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 10 2012,11:32)
Quote (Raevmo @ Feb. 10 2012,09:56)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 10 2012,09:35)
Peter Griffin (who, he?) collects together some of Joe's recent insults and pastes them into a single comment.

KF says:
Quote
Joe: Pardon, but if you have been speaking in that way [and it looks like the clips are accurate, from your responses . . . ], I suggest you will find it best to dial back your tone a few notches. We in the main need to focus on issues not personalities. Controversial matters are best addressed in that way, otherwise the sidetracks will tend to derail serious discussion. KF

Barry says:
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I agree with KF Joe. You are warned.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-419857

Funny how Joe get's a warning after dozens of "offences" and others are insta-banned after one...

What's the theory du jour on that? Do UD's ban-buttonmen really agree with Joe's stupidity and hypocritically accept his "incivility" because he's on their side, or do they have some evidence that banning him would decrease the number of onlookers at UD?

More likely, they also realize that he is a complete fucking moron and mostly ignore his comments.

this

and, they also mostly ignore each other.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,10:36   

Quote (Robin @ Feb. 10 2012,10:07)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 10 2012,03:11)
Joe eats information

Not only matter and energy, but Information and "Life", went into Joe's pizza. And the information, apparently, is separately processed.

It would seem that Joe's body doesn't process information.

Not sure anyone's does ... ? :)

He did seem to be saying that the information in the pizza would become 'processed information' as part of the digestive process. As this was about thermodynamics, I really think he may have been confusing entropy as an informatic and a thermodynamic parameter. Life violates the second Law of thermodynamics because there is more 'information' coming out of it than goes in?

Still, Chas D triggered a classic bit of schooltard Joe - haven't heard "spaz" since I was about 10! Wanker - I hear that all the time. ;)

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If hail is made out of ice and ice came from ice via water, then hail is made out of ice. Joe G

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,10:37   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 10 2012,06:47)
Pouncing on a weak EL would look like the way she's treated at UD, especially by the most arrogant assholes there. You may have noticed that some ID opponents are treated differently than others at UD. Bullies, which is what most or all of the IDiots are, are much more likely to pounce on what they perceive as an easy victim, and that's especially true when the bullies are part of a 'gang', like the IDiots at UD are.

If someone (e.g EL) shows weaknesses, even though they show strengths too, the predators at UD, and especially the most arrogant ones, are going to pounce on those weaknesses. The weaknesses enable and embolden the IDiots, and it should be obvious that most or all of the IDiots need see only a tiny bit of weakness to trigger their pounce reaction. They are looking for weaknesses. The vast majority of their thinking and their arguments are based on their desire to attack, dominate, and destroy any opponents. That desire is the driving force behind their mindset and agenda.

Whether something is compelling, important, or significant is up to each individual. I used the word important because it's what came to mind at the time, and I still think that it's an appropriate word for my points. Debating the specifically applicable term seems rather useless to me. I realize that you or others do not or may not agree with the words I use and that I may not always choose the right words, but I stand by what I've said. I think that the overall points I've made are valid.

Well, all I can say is if the current behavior Lizzie receives from the UD denizens is the worst they can do as far as "pouncing" goes, she's got nothing to worry about. Neither does anyone else.

I think you're projecting too much ego into the outcome. Again, the fact is, Lizzie isn't approaching this with any ego. Their comments, rudeness, nastiness, vulgarity, double standards, and whateverelse have no real impact. They aren't wearing her down or giving her some complex. And frankly, I just think their behavior makes them look bad and makes Lizzie look all the more powerful. I'm betting that 60% of Gordon's mythical "Onlookers" see it the same way. Sure there's the cheerleading squad (like Joe, Gil, etc), but so what if they get off on that kind of behavior? I think it just reflects badly on them, not on Lizzie or anyone else.

I just don't see the "destroy" part since they haven't the wits to do that. They're arguments are vacuous. Maybe they become emboldened, but as far as I can tell, when they get emboldened they end up doing things that make them all look even more silly.

ETA: Ooo...bad grammar! Bad!

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed. Bilbo

The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

  
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,10:40   

KF:
 
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WJ: Pardon, but if you can show that someone has said what they know or should know is false, hoping to gain from its being thought true, then we should correct the act. I am not at all sure that it is fair to characterise a person with a stigmatising brand by what may be an uncharacteristic slip-up. Save, where that person is so persistent that he needs to be marked as of no credibility, i.e has shown a habitual and defiant problem. Notice, how I and others have spoken of Wikipedia in such terms, only after many corrections have failed, indeed have been resisted. KF

Is Mr.Leathers about to make a Friday meltdown appearance?

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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,10:50   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 10 2012,06:47)
Whether something is compelling, important, or significant is up to each individual. I used the word important because it's what came to mind at the time, and I still think that it's an appropriate word for my points. Debating the specifically applicable term seems rather useless to me. I realize that you or others do not or may not agree with the words I use and that I may not always choose the right words, but I stand by what I've said. I think that the overall points I've made are valid.

My apologies. I wasn't really trying to start a semantic argument or imply I was judging your point based on your use of words. I was merely pointing out my personal perspective on UD. I personally don't find them important, but other folks might.

I can't say whether your points are valid or not since I'm still not entirely sure I understand what you think the results of Lizzie's behavior over there will have and why it's significant. I will note that clearly Lizzie disagrees with your points or at least doesn't much care about them however as it is apparent she is still behaving the way she does as well as continuing to ignore the taunts and obnoxious behavior that UD folks display. She apparently doesn't much care about the pouncing she gets from UD and I don't think you've provided any reason for her to start caring about it.

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed. Bilbo

The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:07   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 10 2012,10:05)
Quote (Freddie @ Feb. 10 2012,07:08)
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 10 2012,05:45)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 10 2012,05:15)
I'd say, if Zoe and KF are the same person

I'd vote for not. That emphatic asterisk (I keep looking for a footnote) appears all over Zoe, but not in K/F, and other markers of common descent are absent in the other direction. I don't think he has the wit to keep two personas up-and-running. But the styles, the prose and the smackable certitude are certainly very close cousins.

What is it with creationists and the inappropriate use of punctuation marks?

What you talkin' bout, Freddie,,,,,,,,,,,,

Reminds me of JAD and his Slovakian lapdog, Vsomething.

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Im referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Im not an evolutionist, Im a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:07   

Looks like I have been banned too.

  
BillB



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:13   

Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,17:07)
Looks like I have been banned too.

And me - GCUGreyArea - again! (p.s. I was also DrBot) :p

  
Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:14   

Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,11:07)
Looks like I have been banned too.

Whaaaat? Let's all go down the pub. :angry:

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If hail is made out of ice and ice came from ice via water, then hail is made out of ice. Joe G

BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

  
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:14   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 10 2012,06:09)
Googling fragments of Zoetext from Oldman's sample it becomes obvious that a large percentage of his output is cut and pasted from other sources.

So there is a third alternative: Zoe has has large chunks of genuine KF in his stool, including the passages quoted upthread. Passages with the unmistakeable texture of KF are in fact Gordon - yet Zoe is not.

"Zoe has has large chunks of genuine KF in his stool.."

I've got to tell you guys and gals that you crack me up on a regular basis. There are certainly some funny, clever, and imaginative people here.

About Zoe, Carlos Jordan, kairosflaccid (Dictionary), etc.:

They definitely show a LOT of similarities in the bile they spew, and some of it is identical or very close to it, but there are some differences too. I wouldn't put it past gordo to use multiple user names and modify his bullshit to try to fool people into thinking that those user names are not the same person, but they may be different people. If they're not all gordon mullings, they were likely directly tutored (brainwashed) by him. If any of you come up with more info or ideas about that, or anything else about mullings, I'm interested.

A picture of joe, if possible, would be appreciated too. I won't divulge the source, and will treat it with all 'due' respect. ;)

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:17   

I thought I'd just got the captcha wrong (again!), but no.

  
Raevmo



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:17   

Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,11:07)
Looks like I have been banned too.

Oh noooo! How am I going to waste my time pretending to do science now?

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After much reflection I finally realized that the best way to describe the cause of the universe is: the great I AM.

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Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:22   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 10 2012,11:14)
<snip>

A picture of joe, if possible, would be appreciated too. I won't divulge the source, and will treat it with all 'due' respect. ;)

We could have hours of endless fun with that request ...

Joe

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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:25   

Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,12:17)
I thought I'd just got the captcha wrong (again!), but no.

Excellent!  Now you can spend more time on your blog!

A not-so-secret admirer.

  
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:35   

Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,11:13)
Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,17:07)
Looks like I have been banned too.

And me - GCUGreyArea - again! (p.s. I was also DrBot) :p

As an avid Iain M. Banks fan I laud you as one of the great players of games.  Your use of weapons was state of the art especially given all that time you were playing against a dark background: all of the IDiot responses to your posts I would consider flea bites.

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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
BillB



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:40   

Quote (Freddie @ Feb. 10 2012,17:35)
Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,11:13)
Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,17:07)
Looks like I have been banned too.

And me - GCUGreyArea - again! (p.s. I was also DrBot) :p

As an avid Iain M. Banks fan I laud you as one of the great players of games. Your use of weapons was state of the art especially given all that time you were playing against a dark background: all of the IDiot responses to your posts I would consider flea bites.

Bravo!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:49   

Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,12:13)
Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,17:07)
Looks like I have been banned too.

And me - GCUGreyArea - again! (p.s. I was also DrBot) :p

Sounds like Barry's got some free time on his hands, now that the Santorum campaign in Colorado is over.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:49   

Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,09:13)
 
Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,17:07)
Looks like I have been banned too.

And me - GCUGreyArea - again! (p.s. I was also DrBot) :p

It's a purge.

Barry's trying to solve an insoluble problem. He sees UD as a propaganda site and as an outlet for his vanity posts. When he allows reality-based commenters, they run circles around the resident dim bulbs, undermining his purposes. When he bans the RBCs, UD becomes a boring echo chamber and loses readers, also undermining his purposes.

Barry will continue to flail until UD becomes populated by intelligent, articulate ID proponents batting down feeble challenges from their Darwinatheistic opponents -- in other words, Barry will flail forever.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:51   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Feb. 10 2012,09:49)
Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,12:13)
Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,17:07)
Looks like I have been banned too.

And me - GCUGreyArea - again! (p.s. I was also DrBot) :p

Sounds like Barry's got some free time on his hands, now that the Santorum campaign in Colorado is over.

Sounds like Barry's got some santorum on his hands.  Again.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,11:57   

who's swearing off UD?



OK yeah sorry dumb question

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,12:16   

Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,11:40)
Quote (Freddie @ Feb. 10 2012,17:35)
Quote (BillB @ Feb. 10 2012,11:13)
 
Quote (Febble @ Feb. 10 2012,17:07)
Looks like I have been banned too.

And me - GCUGreyArea - again! (p.s. I was also DrBot) :p

As an avid Iain M. Banks fan I laud you as one of the great players of games. Your use of weapons was state of the art especially given all that time you were playing against a dark background: all of the IDiot responses to your posts I would consider flea bites.

Bravo!

Bravo indeed... post of the week!

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,12:55   

Wow, sorry about the collateral damage.

Scorched earth over there...and JoeG just got a second warning from Barry, for a post that came 3 hours before his first warning.

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,13:07   

Quote (REC @ Feb. 10 2012,13:55)
Wow, sorry about the collateral damage.

Scorched earth over there...and JoeG just got a second warning from Barry, for a post that came 3 hours before his first warning.

Yup, Barry is playing internet tough guy over there:
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Bullwinkle says he is hopelessly befuddled as to the difference between the obscenity directed at me and the phrase sad and pathetic. In light of that I decided he would be happier not commenting on this site. Anyone else want to push me today?

Happily, Barry, you lying, hypocritical bitch.  Come play in an open forum.

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2012,13:10   

Looking through the most recent posts, Chas D is the only non-creationist left posting.  Can he last the day?

  
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