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answer this for me:
If God commanded people to start eating babies, what would you do?
There are three possible answers:
1) "No, it would still be immoral." That one's easy, and the best answer, and of course it demolishes the idea that God dictates what is moral.
2) "God would never do that, because God is moral." In order for this statement to have any meaning, morality must exist independent of God -- otherwise we could not decide whether God would do a particular thing based on whether or not that thing was moral, because that would be synonymous to asking ourselves whether God would do a particular thing based on whether God would do a particular thing.
3) "Knives out and start the rotesserie!" This, and only this, preserves the idea that morality comes from God, and only from God.
No, there is a fourth:
4. It is a ridiculous question because it requires a violation of the law of noncontraction, a law which, it is assumed, even applies to god. Put simply: if god is moral and the very north pole of moral compasses, and if eating babies is immoral in a certain context, then god would be literally incapable of commanding the eating of babies in that context.
Oy-vey, sayeth Nakashima.
Bible points that seem to have been overlooked:
1 - God commands Abraham to kill Isaac. Abraham complies (reluctantly).
2 - Abraham defends Sodom and Gommorah with "Shall not the God of the whole earth do justly?"
In which of those two stories is God or Abraham acting morally? (My vote is only for Abe in 2.)
3 - Eating babies is discussed in Jeremiah, in the situation of starvation during the siege of Jerusalem.
4 - What answer does Job get at the end of his book? Fuck off, I'm not like you.
Taken together, and remember, Abraham loses that argument in story 2, it would seem that the Bibble position on morality is that it is whatever God says it is. And if you don't like it, tough.
Then there's the another real kicker - God "feeling" regret for having made man:
5 When the LORD saw how great was man's wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his heart conceived was ever anything but evil,
he regretted that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was grieved.
If God regretted something, doesn't that mean he did something he wished he hadn't? So it's within his nature to do that he knows he will later regret? Good to know that such a god is isn't very smart.
If the belief is an omniscient god, then he can't do anything that he doesn't already know he will do. He's in the ultimate deterministic scenario - basically a robot. And of course that applies to all of us - no free will since we are actually incapable of choosing anything but that which god knows will happen. All of this was scripted from the beginning...although they never mention by who.
Similar to the Euthryphro (sp?) dilemma. Maybe we have El Elyon, Yahweh's dad, telling him what to do?
"Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G