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Steviepinhead



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,13:31   

Dark skin (lots of melanin) folks, prior to the last few several hundred years of exploration, colonialism, trade, and technology, lived in low latitudes with lots of sunlight, where protection from skin cancer would have been the primary selection pressure.

Lighter-skinned folk, prior to etc., lived in higher latitudes, with less incident insolation, where dark skin would not only not confer an advantage, but would tend to inhibit the formation of Vitamin D.

(I'm hoping you know what Vitamin D is, and why its absence might be a problem.)

Folks with medium tones (Mediterraneans, Asians, Native Americans) tended to live in intermediate latitudes.

The Inuit (and some people pursuing similar lifestyles in far north Asia) lived so far north that they were exposed to sunlight reflected off snow and ice for much of the year.  (You may never have spent a sunny, or even cloudy, day on a glacier absent eye and skin sun protection, given that you apparently live in some basement in Lower Trogdylvania.  If so, I wouldn't recommend the experiment: sunburned tongues, inner nostrils, roofs of mouths, and eyeballs isn't too healthy.  Eh, on the other hand, go ahead, give it a whirl, Mr. aposematics--it's no skin off my nose.) They were, again, somewhat darker-toned.

Are you beginning to see a fairly simple relationship between latitude, sun exposure, and degree of melanin in the skin, Vmaroon?

Eh, probably not.  Anyone else could've googled up a latitude/skin tone chart in about 30 seconds, before so blatantly exposing their ignorance.

And, humor-deafness.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,13:59   

Excellent! Do you have any ideas about coloration of ladybirds too? For instance that black ones live in high latitudes to warm themselves? And red ones live in low latitudes near shores to protect themselves in sun-sets?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,14:12   

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Excellent! Do you have any ideas about coloration of ladybirds too? For instance that black ones live in high latitudes to warm themselves? And red ones live in low latitudes near shores to protect themselves in sun-sets?

Martin, do you believe that common descent between humans and apes is true?

Don't be afraid, little guy. You can do it!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,15:12   

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Excellent! Do you have any ideas about coloration of ladybirds too? For instance that black ones live in high latitudes to warm themselves? And red ones live in low latitudes near shores to protect themselves in sun-sets?

Because, obviously, its not possible that different animals could have evolved coloration differently or for different reasons.

VMartin, were you always this thick? Did you need training? Does JAD help with that? Beating you with plank until you lose enough brain cells to suit him?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,21:11   

Vmushroom, I shouldn't really be interdicting Arden's efforts to get you to answer one simple question honestly and directly--though arguably the longer you take and the more you dance around, the more of a dishonest buffoon you look--but here's another real softball for you to swing at:

Why are some animals big and some animals small.

Pick some otherwise similar animals, just to make it easy on yourself (no admissions of common descent required): like puddy tats and lions (about 1:10) or river dolphins and killer whales or velociraptors and T-Rexes.

Just pick one and wade into it.  No neurons required.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,23:07   

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Because, obviously, its not possible that different animals could have evolved coloration differently or for different reasons.


Right - it wouldn't be efficient for the chemical(s) that cause the color to also be doing other things at the same time.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2007,15:19   

Ready to share your opinion of common descent between apes and humans, Martin? It won't be off topic, here.

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Whoops, he's already buggered off:

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2007,15:43   

steviepinhead

I kind of wonder about caddisflies (trichoptera)  Hydroptilids are 3-7 mm.  the limnephilid Hydatophylax argus is > 250 mm.

surely that is proof of design.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2007,23:58   

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steviepinhead

I kind of wonder about caddisflies (trichoptera)  Hydroptilids are 3-7 mm.  the limnephilid Hydatophylax argus is > 250 mm.

surely that is proof of design.

Trichoptera caddisfly? What a perfect mimicry! Or are they poisonous? Surely they were not designed.



And all of these guys survived "natural selection" because they are perfectly "adapted". Predators have no chance to eradicate them as species.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2007,09:51   

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Trichoptera caddisfly? What a perfect mimicry! Or are they poisonous? Surely they were not designed.


So could you lay out your explanation of why caddisflies are colored the way they are, Martin?

And while you're at it, we're STILL waiting for your verdict on common descent between apes and humans.

C'mon, big fella! Don't be so afraid! Davison wants you to make a good impression here!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2007,16:58   

Nobody claims--and certainly no one with even a smattering of knowledge about biology and the ToE--that any organism is "perfectly" adapted.

Maroon.  Explain that coloration, Vmaroonie.  Start by looking in a mirror.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2007,17:06   

mimicry of what?

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Steviepinhead



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2007,17:02   

Do you spend a lot of time standing in the vicinity of old Dodge Caravans, Vmaroonie?

And are you shy?

Otherwise, I'm having a hard time coming up with an evolutionary explanation of that maroon tint you bear...

Shall we mark that one down as an example of the PEH?  Or as a yet-unresolved mystery of the TeH?

What's your take, sweetie?

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2007,20:42   

Am I the only one who thinks that this ESL troll at Panda's Thumb is very likely our VMartin with too much time on his hands?:

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Reffering to someone’s commment on this page about a crime happened in the past : evolution did not happen in the past - there is no evidence for it in the fossils record. I was brain washed with evolution in high school; had to memorize stages of the horse evolution and human embrion develpoment : so called recapitulation theory. The last discredited as fraud commited by German “scientist” Heckel. To my surprise in my daughter’s biology textbook they are still there after 30 years.Not much had changed in the “scientific” mind of the evolutionary society. Reading evolutionists’s works who use “science” of “maybe” or “perhaps” for support, one can not resist an impression that they are very similar to medieval monks’ disputations as to how many devils would fit on a tip of a pin.Problem I have is: evolutionism cost a taxpayer a lot of money that can be used in much better way. A.


or,

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I believe all you guys have accepted new religion .What I see a problem as a taxpayer is that when you start to bend you data to accommodate your beliefs, damage can be done to people who are sick for instance: remember so called “vestigial organs”? There were many removed indiscriminately and unnecessary and vestigial organs turned out to be not so vestigial after all….


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You bias is appaling, you mind is as opened as tiny little hole in camera obscura. Read the quotation of Lewontin i supplied above, again. Saying that ,he spat in your evolutionary face and you wiped it out and saying : it is raining. It is not that I refused to listen to you evolutionary argument ,it is because you can not provide any argument to support your religious zeal ,that is why you kept abusing me all the way. Why , you evolutionnists have to attack the Bible or creationists to support your claims ,anyway ?. Did I said I was a creationinst ? I asked some questions after doing some internet research being high school educated and taken my biology classes seriously.I can thank God that I did not allowed myself to be as completely brainwashed as you are. I had a discussion with another “pundits” of your denomination who had an internet site with a message “ The Bible can not be taken literally therefore I am an evolutionist”. I was abused in similar manner afer asking similar questions and finally he said he had to go back to school. I think he was a teacher.Poor high school kids. Finally it is not me who came here with a lie, it is you and your like zelots who have been pertpetrated the lie ever since. The problem is, soome people take evolution the lie seriously.I can name two after Heckael : Hitler and Stalin. You are smart enough to go on Google and find soom emore about the two.


I see only two hints that this ISN'T Marty: (1) I have a hard time seeing Marty having a daughter (heaven forfend), and (2) he never mentions Davison. Other than that, it sounds EXACTLY like him.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2007,20:47   

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VMartin, were you always this thick? Did you need training? Does JAD help with that? Beating you with plank until you lose enough brain cells to suit him?

reminds me of the great line from The Long Kiss Goodnight, which had a lot of great lines:

Charlie: Were you always this stupid, or did you take lessons?
Mitch Henessey: (Indignantly) I Took Lessons!

   
VMartin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2007,00:07   

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I see only two hints that this ISN'T Marty: (1) I have a hard time seeing Marty having a daughter (heaven forfend), and (2) he never mentions Davison. Other than that, it sounds EXACTLY like him.


It's sounds like me, but it's not me. Something like similarity, mimicry, you know. Darwinian simpletons to deceive is so easy. Hu: natural selection, darwinism: it must be Martin! The same the last time I was banned here: an moron comparing time postings at ISCIS and here came to conclusion me to be John. Do you remember?



Btw. Im am glad that only darwinists are allowed by natural selection to gave children, especially daughters.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2007,08:29   

The important thing to know is whose children are getting gaved?  This is what people want!  Sure Darwinists gave children to those poor saps who only had 14 welfare tickets, but where did they come from?

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VMartin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,15:30   

Erasmus about professor Zdenek Neubauer at the thread
"Evolution of the horse":

   
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If it was worth a damn, in 2007, it would be translated.  This is not a monk growing peas here.


I don't know.  I suppose that it took more than 40 years
(1926 vs 1969) Leo Berg's Nomogenesis had been available in English. Oddly enough his theory influenced also linguistic.

"The impact of Czech and Russian biology on the linguistic thought of the Prague Linguistic Circle"


Jakobson constantly refers to Berg when he strives to fight the Neo-grammarian principle of strict causality, and puts forward his own anti-darwinism. For instance, in 1927, in his Remarks on the phonological evolution of Russian, he explicitely opposes Darwin's conception of evolution by divergence to Berg's conception of evolution by convergence of non related species on the same territory.
etc...

http://www2.unil.ch/slav/ling/recherche/biblio/99Impact.html

The work of the founder of orthogenesis Theodor Eimer has not been translated into English at all - as far as I know. The same for the work of the anti-selectionist Franz Heikertinger about mimicry - nothing has been translated into English. The same for Adolf Portmann etc...


So your opinion that all important works are available in English is not correct. (Even some very interesting novels and works from Fyodor Dostoevsky has not been translated into English yet.)

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,15:53   

Well, Vicky, you better get cracking on those translations.  You have a conspiracy to overthrow.

Interesting how you neglect my questions about your view of the source of heredity.  the german school had to fight particulate inheritance because it was the empirical finding that destroyed their theory.  in 40 years one may forget that sort of thing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,16:29   

Marty, you're off topic for this thread.

The question: do you believe that common descent between humans and apes is true?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,16:38   

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Well, Vicky, you better get cracking on those translations.  You have a conspiracy to overthrow.

Interesting how you neglect my questions about your view of the source of heredity.  the german school had to fight particulate inheritance because it was the empirical finding that destroyed their theory.  in 40 years one may forget that sort of thing.

It's not conspiracy what John Davison (and I) are trying to overthrow. It's ignorance. Heredity is not the issue now. German school wasn't destroyed by "empirical facts". It wasn't destroyed at all (except in darwinian heads). Their arguments were simply "forgotten" and declared as "outdated" afterwards. But only darwinists pretend victory by neglecting all arguments, puzzles and ideas on evolution that "German school" collected and showed up. The period of anti-darwinian "German school" is very long - and it is only you who dismissed all their researches ad hoc.

I am afraid you are not aware that "German school" is not limited to Germany, because it influenced many Univesties across Europe. Because you dont't probably know anything about it, you dismiss it as a whole.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,16:41   

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Well, Vicky, you better get cracking on those translations.  You have a conspiracy to overthrow.

Interesting how you neglect my questions about your view of the source of heredity.  the german school had to fight particulate inheritance because it was the empirical finding that destroyed their theory.  in 40 years one may forget that sort of thing.

It's not conspiracy what John Davison (and I) are trying to overthrow. It's ignorance. Heredity is not the issue now. German school wasn't destroyed by "empirical facts". It wasn't destroyed at all (except in darwinian heads). Their arguments were simply "forgotten" and declared as "outdated" afterwards. But only darwinists pretend victory by neglecting all arguments, puzzles and ideas on evolution that "German school" collected and showed up. The period of anti-darwinian "German school" is very long - and it is only you who dismissed all their researches ad hoc.

I am afraid you are not aware that "German school" is not limited to Germany, because it influenced many Univesties across Europe. Because you dont't probably know anything about it, you dismiss it as a whole.

Okay, Marty, complete this sentence:

"German school have prove that the Darwinismus is wrong. Instead, what is the true is _"

Fill in the blank.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,16:41   

Should this thread be called VMartin's mental illness?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,16:42   

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Should this thread be called VMartin's mental illness?

"VMartin's pathology" seems snappier.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,17:04   

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Should this thread be called VMartin's mental illness?

If there is anyone ill here it is you and your "darwinian" friends who believe in "natural selection". I am trying to help you, open your sleepy ignorant eyes.

It's free of charge.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,17:10   

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Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Oct. 31 2007,16:41)
Should this thread be called VMartin's mental illness?

If there is anyone ill here it is you and your "darwinian" friends who believe in "natural selection". I am trying to help you, open your sleepy ignorant eyes.

It's free of charge.

No, what you're doing is advertising your mental illness.  That's why I seldom venture into your threads, it's sad to see people suffer, no matter how stupid they are.

Fuck off.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2007,17:12   

Quote (VMartin @ Oct. 31 2007,17:04)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Oct. 31 2007,16:41)
Should this thread be called VMartin's mental illness?

If there is anyone ill here it is you and your "darwinian" friends who believe in "natural selection". I am trying to help you, open your sleepy ignorant eyes.

It's free of charge.

Okay, help us right now: is common descent true?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2007,01:49   

Christopher

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No, what you're doing is advertising your mental illness.  That's why I seldom venture into your threads, it's sad to see people suffer, no matter how stupid they are.

Fuck off.


So why are you responding? Any problems at your work?  
Have your boss reproved you not to annoy your collegaues with endless lectures about "natural selection" and "evolution in action"? So you are relaxing here (fuck off etc...), yes?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2007,08:29   

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No, what you're doing is advertising your mental illness.  That's why I seldom venture into your threads, it's sad to see people suffer, no matter how stupid they are.

Fuck off.


So why are you responding? Any problems at your work?  
Have your boss reproved you not to annoy your collegaues with endless lectures about "natural selection" and "evolution in action"? So you are relaxing here (fuck off etc...), yes?

Martin, since you think you're here to 'help us', start now: do you believe common descent between apes and humans is correct?

I think that's about all you could possibly contribute, since you've admitted you have nothing positive to offer biology, and have no idea what the cause of variation in nature is.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2007,15:33   

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Christopher

 
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No, what you're doing is advertising your mental illness.  That's why I seldom venture into your threads, it's sad to see people suffer, no matter how stupid they are.

Fuck off.


So why are you responding? Any problems at your work?  
Have your boss reproved you not to annoy your collegaues with endless lectures about "natural selection" and "evolution in action"? So you are relaxing here (fuck off etc...), yes?

Vtard, pay close attention.  You can try and evangelize me and "my" Darwin buddies all you want, but keep in mind I don't lay awake at night thinking one minute about Darwin, biology, science or evolution.  These are interesting subjects for a discussion with educated minds over coffee from time to time, but not something I give two seconds thought about in an ordinary day.  

I just love seeing people like you exposed as the lying fools that you are.  Period.

I love seeing fundy religious nut cases (such as yourself) lose.  That's all.  

Yeah maybe it's not nice, oh well.  I just have a thing for watching lying, x-tian bastards get theirs whether in federal court or the public eye, I love a good public humiliation of fundy retards who want to shove their IDiotic notions down everyone else's throats while attempting to pollute our children's minds with their evil religion.  

Period :-)

So carry on your evangelizing while I make some more popcorn.  You're a one man tard fest and for that I say thank you!

Chris!

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