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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,12:29   

As almost everyone here must know by now, I have been trying with spectacular lack of success to get VMartin to answer two simple questions:

1) do you believe common descent is correct?

2) how old is the earth?

I even rephrased the second question as a multiple choice question, and he still refuses to answer either question.

Now, I've seen several creationists repeatedly refuse to answer these questions, and I have my own hunch as to why VM won't answer them, but VM has finally made a claim as to WHY he won't answer them:

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We are here not at a geological forum and we are not here even on a geological thread. That's why your question is off-topic. I will never answer your off-topic questions at these threads.


Okay, evidently he won't answer these questions if he thinks they're off-topic. So here's a thread devoted ENTIRELY to him and these questions. These questions are totally on-topic here.

So then, *ahem*.

To repeat, V:

1) do you believe common descent is correct?

2) the Earth is:

a) 4.5 billion years old
b) around 12,000 years old
c) around 6,000 years old
d) probably a couple million years old
e) none of the above.

Since I have now fulfilled Martin's standards of relevancy, I'm sure he'll answer now.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,13:49   

What makes you think VMartin will be more likely to answer your questions here?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,13:51   

But the new dodge may be funnier.  I have popcorn.

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slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,13:53   

So, is VMartin really an eastern european, or is he someone else pretending to be?

I refer to his on-again-off-again typed broken english.  I understand that such things happen in spoken language, but I have a hard time accepting that you can exhibit 'broken english' when you type... sometimes...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,14:23   

Quote (blipey @ Sep. 06 2007,13:51)
But the new dodge may be funnier. ?I have popcorn.

That's the right attitude.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,14:30   

Quote (slpage @ Sep. 06 2007,13:53)
So, is VMartin really an eastern european, or is he someone else pretending to be?

I refer to his on-again-off-again typed broken english. ?I understand that such things happen in spoken language, but I have a hard time accepting that you can exhibit 'broken english' when you type... sometimes...

I had my suspicions at first, too, but there seems to be solid evidence that he's Slovakian. He wrote a passage of Czech (I don't think it was Slovak) that convinced David Marjanovic of his authenticity.

I suspect that VM first started studying English rather recently, so sometimes his English kind of goes in and out. I gather that in that part of Europe people haven't been studying English for very long.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,15:03   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 06 2007,14:30)
Quote (slpage @ Sep. 06 2007,13:53)
So, is VMartin really an eastern european, or is he someone else pretending to be?

I refer to his on-again-off-again typed broken english. ?I understand that such things happen in spoken language, but I have a hard time accepting that you can exhibit 'broken english' when you type... sometimes...

I had my suspicions at first, too, but there seems to be solid evidence that he's Slovakian. He wrote a passage of Czech (I don't think it was Slovak) that convinced David Marjanovic of his authenticity.

I suspect that VM first started studying English rather recently, so sometimes his English kind of goes in and out. I gather that in that part of Europe people haven't been studying English for very long.

Yah. Marjanovic is a pharyngulist who doesn't know how to tell apart Russian and Czech. I don't know how you came to the idea that he was able to determine my nationality.

Marjanovic is also a "knowledgeable evolutionist" as doctor Myers calls all his sycophants. Neverthenless he knows nothing about color perception. He has never heard about red-green perception canals and so he ?invented ad hoc brand new theory after 5 minutes of thinking: green = white - red. Everybody can check his "arguments" at One blog a day where we (John Davison predominanly) made fools of pharyngulists.

As to your stupid question I wrote that no new mammalian Order has aroused since Eocene.

If you were more clever you might have deduce that I at least presume the Earth is older than the time of beginning of Eocene. Go to Wikipedia for time scaling of Eocene.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,15:12   

Martin. How lovely to have you join us!

 
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If you were more clever you might have deduce that I at least presume the Earth is older than the time of beginning of Eocene. Go to Wikipedia for time scaling of Eocene.


And if you were less of a coward you would simply *tell* us how old you think the world is.

Anyway, Wikipedia says the Eocene ran from around 33.9 to 55.8 million years ago. Is 55.8 million years the most you'll concede for the age of the earth? Or are you willing to crank it all the way back to 4.5 billion?

 
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As to your stupid question I wrote that no new mammalian Order has aroused since Eocene.


('arisen', not 'aroused'. check the meaning of the latter, V.)

Be more explicit, Martin, does that mean you reject common descent for humans or no?

BTW, why is it a stupid question? Seems a *lot* of creationists get very hot and bothered about those very questions.

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Everybody can check his "arguments" at One blog a day where we (John Davison predominanly) made fools of pharyngulists.


The pinnacle of Martin's scientific career, right there.

BTW, Martin, you're not in the best position to be accusing others of being sycophants.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,15:16   

Re "He has never heard about red-green perception canals and so he ?invented ad hoc brand new theory after 5 minutes of thinking: green = white - red."

That agrees with what I remember learning in school on that subject. Which means it isn't ad hoc.

  
VMartin



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,15:24   

Henry,

maybe you were in the same school that Marjanovic attended.
As far as I remember he was at school only 12 years. It means the guy finished his education at secondary school. No wonder he became darwinian scientist at Pharyngula.

Check the basic rules about adding and subtraction of colors. These rules are very important in printing plants. Or ask some artist.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,15:29   

Martin? Please? Back on topic?

Do you reject common descent for humans or not?

Earth / 4.5 billion -- yes/no?

Answer the questions please and you can get back to Davison.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,16:16   

Damn!!!  Can we please keep just one stinking thread on topic!

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH VMARTIN!!!!

Information that is not relevant to the thread should not be allowed on!

So, what was this thread about?

Oh yeah, carry on VMARTIN, I want to know all about artists and the color wheel--unless those artists never went to university.

PLEASE, LET'S KEEP TO THE SPIRIT OF THE OPENING POST AND TALK ABOUT ARTISTS!

cripes, darwiniacs have the attention span of a two year old (who also never started college)...damn.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,16:18   

Quote (slpage @ Sep. 06 2007,12:53)
So, is VMartin really an eastern european, or is he someone else pretending to be?

I refer to his on-again-off-again typed broken english. ?I understand that such things happen in spoken language, but I have a hard time accepting that you can exhibit 'broken english' when you type... sometimes...

His IP, when he graced my blog with his presence, originated in Slovakia.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,16:24   

Vmartin:
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no new mammalian Order has aroused since Eocene.

That'll surprise the heck out of my girlfriend...

Or maybe Vmartin would rather be Eocene and not heard.

  
Steviepinhead



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,16:25   

With Vmartin's Anglo-linguistic facility, he'll probably finally be forced to admit, felicitously, that "Common decency is, indeed, correct."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,17:20   

Quote (Steviepinhead @ Sep. 06 2007,17:24)
Vmartin:
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no new mammalian Order has aroused since Eocene.

That'll surprise the heck out of my girlfriend...

That is downright obseocene.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,22:14   

V,
Re "Check the basic rules about adding and subtraction of colors. These rules are very important in printing plants. Or ask some artist."

Ah. You're talking about mixing pigments. I was thinking about mixing frequencies of light.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,23:05   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 07 2007,06:14)
V,
Re "Check the basic rules about adding and subtraction of colors. These rules are very important in printing plants. Or ask some artist."

Ah. You're talking about mixing pigments. I was thinking about mixing frequencies of light.

Henry

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,00:13   

Quote (Kristine @ Sep. 06 2007,16:18)
 
Quote (slpage @ Sep. 06 2007,12:53)
So, is VMartin really an eastern european, or is he someone else pretending to be?

I refer to his on-again-off-again typed broken english. ?I understand that such things happen in spoken language, but I have a hard time accepting that you can exhibit 'broken english' when you type... sometimes...

His IP, when he graced my blog with his presence, originated in Slovakia.

Hi Kristine.

There is some good habit here makinkg psychonalysis for gratis. I have passed out here two psycholalysis - the one ?from Arden and the second from Alan Fox. Btw. both guys pursue me with their monomaniacal questions whatever I wrote. Arden even created this thread to give vent his urge.

Alan even logged at ISCID where his annoying question disturbs our discussions there.

But both of them are perfect  psychoanalysts.


And now me:

I think your surrealism compensate your liking in darwinism. You as an poet feel more clearly than many folks here that this teaching is not correct answer to problems of evolution. Your psyche revolt. Thats why your psyche seek compensation in surrealism.

More cultivated thoughts about the problem of surrealism and biology can be find in the book of professor ?Adolf Portmann "Biologie und Geist".

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,02:51   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 06 2007,15:29)
Martin? Please? Back on topic?

Do you reject common descent for humans or not?

Earth / 4.5 billion -- yes/no?

Answer the questions please and you can get back to Davison.

VMartin, 2 simple questions. Answer them you coward!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,04:22   

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Alan even logged at ISCID where his annoying question disturbs our discussions there.


Disturb your discussions?
What discussions?
Surely you jest!

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,08:54   

Oh boy. Martin thinks because he's a 'man' he can patronize Kristine. This should have lots of potential.

Maaaaaaartiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnn..... oh Maaaaaaartiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnn..... answer our questions!!!!!!

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There is some good habit here makinkg psychonalysis for gratis. I have passed out here two psycholalysis - the one ?from Arden and the second from Alan Fox. Btw. both guys pursue me with their monomaniacal questions whatever I wrote. Arden even created this thread to give vent his urge.


Martin, you can make me quit asking you by giving clear answers. Whine all you want, but if you stick around here babbling about ladybirds and toadstools but dodging questions, I'll continue to ask you over and over. If you don't like this situation, you're more than welcome to go away and hide under Davison's skirts. But remember, it'll be waiting for you when you get back.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,10:43   

Quote (VMartin @ Sep. 06 2007,23:13)
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Quote (Kristine @ Sep. 06 2007,16:18)
? ? ?
Quote (slpage @ Sep. 06 2007,12:53)
So, is VMartin really an eastern european, or is he someone else pretending to be?

I refer to his on-again-off-again typed broken english. ?I understand that such things happen in spoken language, but I have a hard time accepting that you can exhibit 'broken english' when you type... sometimes...

His IP, when he graced my blog with his presence, originated in Slovakia.

Hi Kristine.

There is some good habit here makinkg psychonalysis for gratis. I have passed out here two psycholalysis - the one ?from Arden and the second from Alan Fox. Btw. both guys pursue me with their monomaniacal questions whatever I wrote. Arden even created this thread to give vent his urge.

Alan even logged at ISCID where his annoying question disturbs our discussions there.

But both of them are perfect ?psychoanalysts.


And now me:

I think your surrealism compensate your liking in darwinism. You as an poet feel more clearly than many folks here that this teaching is not correct answer to problems of evolution. Your psyche revolt. Thats why your psyche seek compensation in surrealism.

More cultivated thoughts about the problem of surrealism and biology can be find in the book of professor ?Adolf Portmann "Biologie und Geist".

My "psyche seek compensation in surrealism" because I am flower of the orient, can love Darwinism longtime, everyone. :D

VMartin, as a philosophy surrealism is a crock. As an attitude and an aesthetic (which it was never intended to be), it gives a certain playfulness to life, like Cocteau films and punning over the heads of clueless twits. Hint. Lighten up.

Get out of your closet with that psychoanalysis and those pigments and live a little, or you?ll continue to play the straight man in Alan?s and Arden?s comedy routine.

*Braces for predictable protestation re misunderstanding of meaning of "straight"*

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,10:44   

Quote (VMartin @ Sep. 07 2007,04:13)
There is some good habit here makinkg psychonalysis for gratis.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you aren't qualified to do that, are you?

Judging by your efforts I would say you've never studied psychology in your life, since they are the worst kind of cod psychological nonsense favoured by simpering morons who try to act all cool and intellectual.

Coincidence? I think not.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,10:47   

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 06 2007,23:05)
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Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 07 2007,06:14)
V,
Re "Check the basic rules about adding and subtraction of colors. These rules are very important in printing plants. Or ask some artist."

Ah. You're talking about mixing pigments. I was thinking about mixing frequencies of light.

Henry

Autodidacts hate being corrected.


Pigments? Autodidacts?

Do you mean that removing red frequency from the light spectrum will cause that the light entering the eye should be perceived as green?

Do you think that spectum colors violet, blue, yellow, orange and green (without red) should be perceived in their totality as green?

Have you ever heard about Hering's red-green channel
or you are again explaing the complicated problem of color perception ad hoc using only your phantasy?
(But no wonder, because you often use your phantasy as the only scientific method for explaining of evolutionary processes too.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,10:53   

Welcome back, Martin, got answers for us?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,11:15   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 07 2007,10:53)
Welcome back, Martin, got answers for us?

Perhaps he won't answer because he takes a very wide stance on the issue.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,11:35   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 07 2007,19:15)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 07 2007,10:53)
Welcome back, Martin, got answers for us?

Perhaps he won't answer because he takes a very wide stance on the issue.

You are a cruel, cruel man.

Although I noticed you didn't mention shopping bags.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,12:17   

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*Braces for predictable protestation re misunderstanding of meaning of "straight"*


Well, as I had to google "wide stance" to find out about alternative uses of shopping bags, I guess I don't need to protest.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2007,12:27   

I was looking over portions of this and the previous thread, and I began to wonder, "How old does VMartin think the earth is? Does he accept common descent?"

It appears that nobody has thought to ask him.

Hey, VMartin, why is everybody beating around the bush on such simple questions?

How old do you think the earth is? I've heard and accept the figure 4.5 billion years, with 13.7 billion years the current best estimate of the age of the universe (based on WMAP data and a number of assumptions).

Do you accept common descent? I do.

Just wondering. Thanks,

R-Bill

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