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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,18:42   

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 16 2012,18:04)
KF has another crisis to attend to:
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Jerad:

Currently, my adoptive nation (my wife being the native Montserratian) has less than 5,000 people here, post volcano; just under 2,000 of these are recent Caribbean immigrants.

And there has been a second incident ó no damage or fatalities, a plane ran off the runway ó this morning, leading to grounding the airline in a week when the ferry is also not running. A second airline and charters will I believe take up slack.

So, pardon not much of a response just now.

KF


What does any of that have to do with KF?

I can only think of one thing: They've recruited KF as a hot air source to inflate the balloons that will be used to ferry people across to Antigua while the airline is grounded.

My guess is the planes couldn't land with the crosswind he generated.

Either that or the pilots are crashing the planes, making the ultimate sacrifice, to keep people from going to Montserat.  Raise a pint in their honor (or a 12 ounce cola if your so inclined).

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,19:26   

Andre informs us that evolution has finally been debunked:

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AndreOctober 12, 2012 at 2:23 am
Guys help me out here;
This find finally falsifies the Darwinian account that Natural selection, random mutation and genetic drift has the capability to take a simple organism to a complex one. If anything these findings prove that NS, RM and drift does just the opposite.
If this is the case Iím sure it means Darwinian evolution is now debunked.
Iím not sure if I have just lost my marbles but it clearly indicates to me that complexity is not from them!


If I were a betting man...

   
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,19:33   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 16 2012,17:26)
Andre informs us that evolution has finally been debunked:

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AndreOctober 12, 2012 at 2:23 am
Guys help me out here;
This find finally falsifies the Darwinian account that Natural selection, random mutation and genetic drift has the capability to take a simple organism to a complex one. If anything these findings prove that NS, RM and drift does just the opposite.
If this is the case Iím sure it means Darwinian evolution is now debunked.
Iím not sure if I have just lost my marbles but it clearly indicates to me that complexity is not from them!


If I were a betting man...

An IDiot with the user name Andre Gross has recently been commenting on Larry Moran's site (Sandwalk). Maybe they're the same guy?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,19:33   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 16 2012,16:42)
Quote (keiths @ Oct. 16 2012,18:04)
KF has another crisis to attend to:
 
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Jerad:

Currently, my adoptive nation (my wife being the native Montserratian) has less than 5,000 people here, post volcano; just under 2,000 of these are recent Caribbean immigrants.

And there has been a second incident ó no damage or fatalities, a plane ran off the runway ó this morning, leading to grounding the airline in a week when the ferry is also not running. A second airline and charters will I believe take up slack.

So, pardon not much of a response just now.

KF


What does any of that have to do with KF?

I can only think of one thing: They've recruited KF as a hot air source to inflate the balloons that will be used to ferry people across to Antigua while the airline is grounded.

My guess is the planes couldn't land with the crosswind he generated.

Either that or the pilots are crashing the planes, making the ultimate sacrifice, to keep people from going to Montserat. †Raise a pint in their honor (or a 12 ounce cola if your so inclined).

He's busy rebuilding the wicker airplanes.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,19:38   

I've scanned a few recent UD articles and comment sections over the last few days, and it's so starkly different than it was in the mid 2000s. Then, it was crazy, and stupid, but it was crazy and stupid and alive.

Right after Kitzmiller, they were like the Japanese soldiers on remote Pacific islands the day after Hiroshima--they were doomed, but didn't know it, and still had full bellies and bayonets and were all amped up and enthusiastic. Now they're like those soldiers years after being stranded. They might believe, and still not have a clue, but they're exhausted and weak and no one's coming to save them...

Is it just withering away across the web, or is UD special? Have the IDers just moved elsewhere? I see Telic Thoughts has had 15 posts since June 13.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,19:52   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 16 2012,20:38)
I've scanned a few recent UD articles and comment sections over the last few days, and it's so starkly different than it was in the mid 2000s. Then, it was crazy, and stupid, but it was crazy and stupid and alive.

Right after Kitzmiller, they were like the Japanese soldiers on remote Pacific islands the day after Hiroshima--they were doomed, but didn't know it, and still had full bellies and bayonets and were all amped up and enthusiastic. Now they're like those soldiers years after being stranded. They might believe, and still not have a clue, but they're exhausted and weak and no one's coming to save them...

Is it just withering away across the web, or is UD special? Have the IDers just moved elsewhere? I see Telic Thoughts has had 15 posts since June 13.

You've nailed it.  I wrote a few words on that very topic over a year ago:

There is also an optimistic reason why I'll no longer post on UD: They're irrelevant. Uncommon Descent is the only forum where anyone even pretends that Intelligent Design Creationism is remotely scientific. Everyone else, including the supporters in the pews, realizes that it's just the latest incarnation of creationism tarted up in an attempt to get past that pesky separation of church and state. Even at UD, the costume lab coat is wearing thin, with the religious biases of the IDCists clearly on display. We definitely need to be vigilant to prevent religion from being taught in science classes, but if no IDC opponents posted at UD for a few weeks, it would quickly wither from lack of anything to discuss.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,20:08   

google trends on intelligent design



Truly, Intelligent Design is a powerful research paradigm sweeping the globe!

Edited by stevestory on Oct. 16 2012,21:10

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,20:13   

god, that graph is just so pathetic.

   
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,20:16   

i would bet that the drop in 2012 is due to our internal boycott from here

i never read that shitbin anymore.

in 2005
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Lenny Flank said:
Because ID is dead as a mackerel, thereís no point in arguing against it scientifically anymore, and all we have left is making fun of diehard IDiots like Donald who still try to walk the stinking corpse around, a la Weekend at Bernieís.


eta ah hell thought this was UD stats.  never mind

Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 16 2012,21:26

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,20:23   

Anybody ever see AFDave anymore? Salvador still around? Or that weasel-looking/acting Luskin fellow?

   
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,20:25   

AFDave has been trolling talkrat, he has some shittyblog too

Sal just about got lynched by the tards at UD for having a moment of clarity, he is still here and still a doosh

Lacey Cuskin is the Sensuous Curmudgeon's boyfriend, he posts about his doings at least once a month

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.†Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,22:50   

Today (it's already Oct. 17 from where I post) 200 days passed since Springer put Dembski's and Marks' Biological Information: New Perspectives on hold.
Does any of you guys have new information on that?

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,22:58   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2012,19:43)
Have I missed anything interesting?

Dembski's new affiliation:



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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2012,23:38   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 16 2012,22:58)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2012,19:43)
Have I missed anything interesting?

Dembski's new affiliation:


I notice they're slanted to the right.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,03:56   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 16 2012,22:50)
Today (it's already Oct. 17 from where I post) 200 days passed since Springer put Dembski's and Marks' Biological Information: New Perspectives on hold.
Does any of you guys have new information on that?

I don't, and I'm on the list for a review copy. It seems a bit long to have been waiting for a re-review (although reviewers might need 2-3 months to read the book, and there's always meetings either side to slow things down).

It wouldn't surprise me if Springer have decided not to publish, but it does surprise me that nothing's been said publicly. I wonder what's going on behind the scenes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,04:00   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 16 2012,20:23)
Anybody ever see AFDave anymore? Salvador still around? Or that weasel-looking/acting Luskin fellow?

Sal disappeared for a bit, whilst he was part of a Gamblers for Christ group.

Some sad news: JAD died earlier this year.

Oh, and welcome back. TBH, I think you'll soon conclude that you've got better things to do with your life. ID really doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and UD has lost a lot of its entertainment value.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,04:20   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 17 2012,02:16)
eta ah hell thought this was UD stats. †never mind

Here are UD's stats according to these folks....

http://www.alexa.com/siteinf....ent.com



Not enough prestige to warrant analysis it seems and I don't know how accurate the Reach and Change statistics are - but they look good in red, nevertheless.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,04:31   

Also, as nice as it is to see Mr.Story alive and well, it's still a bit depressing knowing that the Siren Song of the TARD is still capable, after years of absence, of drawing one back to the wellspring. What hope have any of us?

:(

Speaking of TARD what's happened to the Frill - the Tragic Narcissus? While I've been keeping myself as far from UD as possible I still check in here quite often but I've seen nobody extracting raw Dodgen in ages. Has he finally married himself? Or has he slipped back into his long night of nihilism?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,06:17   

Gpuccio,
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So, you are definitely lying.

We asnwered your question. Maybe one of us is wrong. Maybe we considered different questions.

I have clearly stated that we could infer design for both sheets with strings printed. If instead we consider the strings themselves, we cannot infer design.

That is in perfect accord with the definition of dFSCI and of design inference. I challenge you to demonstrate the contrary.

So, in the end, you are simply lying.


So ID says "If you hand me the data on a sheet of paper I can tell you straight away if it's designed as printed characters on sheets of paper are always designed".

He makes it sound so simple!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-436936

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,07:35   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 17 2012,12:17)
Gpuccio,
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So, you are definitely lying.

We asnwered your question. Maybe one of us is wrong. Maybe we considered different questions.

I have clearly stated that we could infer design for both sheets with strings printed. If instead we consider the strings themselves, we cannot infer design.

That is in perfect accord with the definition of dFSCI and of design inference. I challenge you to demonstrate the contrary.

So, in the end, you are simply lying.


So ID says "If you hand me the data on a sheet of paper I can tell you straight away if it's designed as printed characters on sheets of paper are always designed".

He makes it sound so simple!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-436936

Similarly, hospitals are designed, ergo babies must be too.

Come to think of it, supermarkets are designed too. That accounts for cows (including the loosely bound bovis hamburgensis sub-species), pigs, chickens, and Cheetos plants.

That's pretty much all of Nature right there! †

Evolution is doomed, suckers!

Edited by Amadan on Oct. 17 2012,13:36

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,08:00   

Does Creationism Intelligent cDesign assert that rocks are created cdesigned? Did they require a Creator cDesigner? ...or did the Creator the Intelligent cDesigner do his creating cdesigning in an uncreated uncdesigned universe?

How does the answer to this question affect the detection of creation cdesign vs. non-creation non-cdesign?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,08:12   

Quote (Amadan @ Oct. 17 2012,07:35)
Similarly, hospitals are designed, ergo babies must be too.

Come to think of it, supermarkets are designed too. That accounts for cows (including the loosely bound bovis hamburgensis sub-species), pigs, chickens, and Cheetos plants.

That's pretty much all of Nature right there! †

Evolution is doomed, suckers!

Don't forget Spaghetti Trees.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,08:38   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 16 2012,20:23)
Anybody ever see AFDave anymore? Salvador still around? Or that weasel-looking/acting Luskin fellow?

Oh, and discovery institute started a facebook page.  That was good for LULZ when they started deleting lots of comments.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,14:18   

Cognitive dissonance at its very best? Or just more incoherent ravings from our favourite Canadian YEC?



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,14:43   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 16 2012,20:08)
google trends on intelligent design



Truly, Intelligent Design is a powerful research paradigm sweeping the globe!

It's cool if you overlay it with the search term "creationism". But, it's hysterical if you add "Dembski", "Joe Gallien", "Gordon Mullings", or "Kairosfocus". Yes, you guessed it...none of those last terms adds anything whatsoever.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,15:06   

Quote (Woodbine @ Oct. 17 2012,05:31)
Also, as nice as it is to see Mr.Story alive and well, it's still a bit depressing knowing that the Siren Song of the TARD is still capable, after years of absence, of drawing one back to the wellspring. What hope have any of us?

I had to take a break. I won't say I had a tard problem, but Izzy Stradlin called and told me to take it down a notch.

Watching UD was like watching the three stooges fake being scientists. It was hilarious. Now it's just sad.

Edited by stevestory on Oct. 17 2012,16:11

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2012,15:52   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 17 2012,08:00)
Does Creationism Intelligent cDesign assert that rocks are created cdesigned? Did they require a Creator cDesigner? ...or did the Creator the Intelligent cDesigner do his creating cdesigning in an uncreated uncdesigned universe?

How does the answer to this question affect the detection of creation cdesign vs. non-creation non-cdesign?

If I understand the question... the answer is...

it depends.

It's all this Big Tent ™ and the Powers-that-Be shall not be distracted by such discussions until the "evolution" issue is settled.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,06:47   

Jerad: † †
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Given a first basic replicator the fossil evidence is consistent with universal common descent given that not all life forms formed fossils. The geographic distribution of life forms is also consistent with universal common descent and was one of Wallace and Darwinís mail lines of argument.


KF: † †
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1: We are not ďgivenĒ a self-replicating cell. We need to get there, that is the first and biggest issue, and the one that puts design squarely on the table.


1 ----> WERE YOU THERE?
2 ----> If design is the answer to biogenesis then OF COURSE we are given the first self-replicating cell!
2 ----> Lets assume design is the explanation for the first self-replicating cell ... In what way is that an argument against this:
† †
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The geographic distribution of life forms is also consistent with universal common descent and was one of Wallace and Darwinís mail lines of argument. Comparative morphology of present and past life forms is consistent with universal common descent. And the molecular evidence is strong evidence for universal common descent. Any one line of evidence is strong, four lines combined are very compelling.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,08:06   

This little gem from gpuccio will brighten your fall day.
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I donít what to elimimate subjectivity. The foundation of all my thinking is objective subjectivity, that is consious representations.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,08:33   

Quote (olegt @ Oct. 18 2012,14:06)
This little gem from gpuccio will brighten your fall day.
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I donít what to elimimate subjectivity. The foundation of all my thinking is objective subjectivity, that is consious representations.

ROTFL

Let's not eliminate irrationality - The foundation of all their behaviour is, after all, rational irrationality.

  
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