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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2011,18:16   

Yea, DI, more Hitler!

My son:  Who's Hitler?

  
noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2011,18:23   

Quote (Doc Bill @ June 13 2011,18:16)
Yea, DI, more Hitler!

My son: Who's Hitler?

You say that like it's a good thing. It's not, you know, unless he's very young.

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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes. I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it. Okay? So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2011,18:48   

Well, you know, my son knows "Hitler" as an historical figure, although vaguely, but I know of Hitler from all the b/w war movies I saw as a child.

The DI is appealing to me and my parents, dead or shortly dead, as a "bad thing."  Boomers like me remember the Hitler influence although we didn't experience it first hand.  The Hitler hook grows less and less important with each generation.

The likelihood that my son will contribute to the DI because of "Hitler" is zero.  Hitler who?

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2011,20:43   

I'm still flabbergasted when I meet someone who's never heard of The Dark Side of the Moon, but that's getting more and more common, too.

edit slash & typo

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2011,21:57   

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My son:??Who's Hitler?

He hasn't seen Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade? ;)

Henry

  
Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2011,22:07   

Tell your son that he was a Darwinist.  

Be prepared for the next question: What is a Darwinist?

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noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2011,22:12   

Quote (Doc Bill @ June 13 2011,18:48)
The Hitler hook grows less and less important with each generation.

Well, you couldn't prove it by my daughter. She's 15, and she's fascinated by the question of why people do evil things, to the point where she's taking an elective next year in school called "Facing History and Ourselves", one of the main topics of which is the Holocaust. I remember discussing Hitler and the Holocaust with her when she was maybe 8 or 9, and she read "The Boy in the Striped Pajamas" in (I think) 6th grade. Hitler really does remain relevant.

(And not just because Nazis make great action movie heavies.)

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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes. I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it. Okay? So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2011,23:34   

According to retraction watch Applied Mathematics Letters has published an apology for retracting Granville Sewell's article "A second look at the second law".
Judge yourself if Elsevier's move is in accordance with their ethical guidelines for author's.

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2011,16:01   

For those of you willing to sit through to the end of
http://www.math.utep.edu/Faculty/sewell/articles/secondlaw.htm

you can see a screen shot of Dr Rodin's letter to Dr Sewell, informing him of the decision to rescind the paper. That last sentence says it all.

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I知 referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2011,16:12   

Quote (dvunkannon @ June 14 2011,16:01)
For those of you willing to sit through to the end of
http://www.math.utep.edu/Faculty/sewell/articles/secondlaw.htm

you can see a screen shot of Dr Rodin's letter to Dr Sewell, informing him of the decision to rescind the paper. That last sentence says it all.

He sounds like George W. Bush!

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"Following what I just wrote about fitness, you池e taking refuge in what we see in the world." PaV

"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

"We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

  
csadams



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2011,16:44   

Oh, see.

Oh, see Casey.

Funny, funny Casey.

See funny Casey run.

Run, Casey, run.

See Casey running away from the evidence.

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Stand Up For REAL Science!

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2011,07:54   

Looks like Casey and Steve Matheson are mixing it up on the same thread.

Hey, DI, is Luskin the Gerbil the best you have to explain "intelligent design" creationism?  I hope the little boy gets paid by the word!

Luskin at bat.

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2011,19:06   

Casey preaches to the converted:



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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2011,20:31   

Quote (Amadan @ June 17 2011,19:06)
Casey preaches to the converted:


I think I'm afraid to ask how you obtained a photo of Casey in his Favorite Dress...

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2011,23:32   

Quote (J-Dog @ June 17 2011,18:31)
Quote (Amadan @ June 17 2011,19:06)
Casey preaches to the converted:


I think I'm afraid to ask how you obtained a photo of Casey in his Favorite Dress...

`twas probably in the craigslist personals.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2011,07:33   

Quote (fnxtr @ June 17 2011,23:32)
Quote (J-Dog @ June 17 2011,18:31)
Quote (Amadan @ June 17 2011,19:06)
Casey preaches to the converted:


I think I'm afraid to ask how you obtained a photo of Casey in his Favorite Dress...

`twas probably in the craigslist personals.

Where's "chunkdz" when he could make himself useful?

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2011,11:15   

Continuing to poke Granville with a stick -

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=416514

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2011,11:18   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 18 2011,07:33)
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Quote (Amadan @ June 17 2011,19:06)
Casey preaches to the converted:


I think I'm afraid to ask how you obtained a photo of Casey in his Favorite Dress...

`twas probably in the craigslist personals.

Where's "chunkdz" when he could make himself useful?

He's in the picture.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2011,20:11   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 20 2011,09:18)
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Quote (J-Dog @ June 17 2011,18:31)
Quote (Amadan @ June 17 2011,19:06)
Casey preaches to the converted:


I think I'm afraid to ask how you obtained a photo of Casey in his Favorite Dress...

`twas probably in the craigslist personals.

Where's "chunkdz" when he could make himself useful?

He's in the picture.

On the far right (of course), in blue.
This is like a fairy version of the cover of "Satanic Majesty's Request" or "Sgt. Pepper".

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"But it's disturbing to think someone actually thinks creationism -- having put it's hand on the hot stove every day for the last 400 years -- will get a different result tomorrow." -- midwifetoad

  
olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,07:55   

Michael Egnor has rolled out a shiny new blog Egnorance. Srsly.

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Welcome!

This is a new blog, but I'm not new to blogging.

I began blogging four years ago for Evolution News and Views, a blog associated with the Discovery Institute, an organization for which I have deep respect and gratitude. My primary interest has been in the scientific and cultural implications of Darwinism and in the impact of militant atheism on our culture. I engaged in blog debates with quite a few atheists, Darwinists, and materialists. My interlocutors were upset with my vigorous defense of the traditional inference to design in science and with my defense of Judeo-Christian culture, and they dubbed my views "Egnorance- the statistical combination of ignorance and arrogance".

My ignorance I freely admit; I have very much to learn. My arrogance I try to keep tame. And it may not really be arrogance; those at the vanguard of New Atheism deem arrogant anyone who unapologetically challenges their views.

This new blog gives me an opportunity to discuss issues that extend beyond that which is appropriate to Evolution News and Views.

Welcome.


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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,08:36   

Quote (olegt @ June 21 2011,07:55)
Michael Egnor has rolled out a shiny new blog Egnorance. Srsly.

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Welcome!

This is a new blog, but I'm not new to blogging.

I began blogging four years ago for Evolution News and Views, a blog associated with the Discovery Institute, an organization for which I have deep respect and gratitude. My primary interest has been in the scientific and cultural implications of Darwinism and in the impact of militant atheism on our culture. I engaged in blog debates with quite a few atheists, Darwinists, and materialists. My interlocutors were upset with my vigorous defense of the traditional inference to design in science and with my defense of Judeo-Christian culture, and they dubbed my views "Egnorance- the statistical combination of ignorance and arrogance".

My ignorance I freely admit; I have very much to learn. My arrogance I try to keep tame. And it may not really be arrogance; those at the vanguard of New Atheism deem arrogant anyone who unapologetically challenges their views.

This new blog gives me an opportunity to discuss issues that extend beyond that which is appropriate to Evolution News and Views.

Welcome.

The least they could do would be to understand that whatever questions they think may be raised because there is a scientific, well founded theory of evolution, it is completely irrelevant WRT what they think and claim are secondary effects of the existence of the theory.

That is, the question of whether evolution is true or not is a different question from questions about whatever influence the theory may have on people and society.

If the theory is true, maybe our approach should comprise some reorientation among the religiously overconfident people?

But the theory is obviously true, the belief that something did something somewhere sometimes (in addition to the obvious  effects of natural forces at play as we are able to show that they really are even today) , until now has not generated any evidence to support that faith.

The fact that Egnor doesn't know or doesn't want to acknowledge that acceptance of the ToE does not equate with atheism reflects rather unfavourably on his integrity.

His religion is not everybody's religion, far from it. It just confirms what we already know, ID is religious creationism.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,13:28   

Quote (olegt @ June 21 2011,07:55)
Michael Egnor has rolled out a shiny new blog Egnorance. Srsly.

 
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Welcome!

This is a new blog, but I'm not new to blogging.

I began blogging four years ago for Evolution News and Views, a blog associated with the Discovery Institute, an organization for which I have deep respect and gratitude. My primary interest has been in the scientific and cultural implications of Darwinism and in the impact of militant atheism on our culture. I engaged in blog debates with quite a few atheists, Darwinists, and materialists. My interlocutors were upset with my vigorous defense of the traditional inference to design in science and with my defense of Judeo-Christian culture, and they dubbed my views "Egnorance- the statistical combination of ignorance and arrogance".

My ignorance I freely admit; I have very much to learn. My arrogance I try to keep tame. And it may not really be arrogance; those at the vanguard of New Atheism deem arrogant anyone who unapologetically challenges their views.

This new blog gives me an opportunity to discuss issues that extend beyond that which is appropriate to Evolution News and Views.

Welcome.

Let me guess: Faux News talking points!

ETA: Checked and sure enough I was right!

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"We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,18:12   

I checked out Egnor's site and he has nothing to say.

The guy's another opinionated moron of which the Blogosphere is full.

I do like the unimaginative title of his blog, though, Egnorance.  Geeze Louise, maybe Louis could start a business naming theocrat blogs.  Behe could be Weasel Words and Dembski could be Coward's Corner.  The Gerbil Tube for Luskin.  The mind boggles.

I'll wager 100 quatloos that Egnor doesn't get even a snarky comment in a year, and 200 quatloos that his site is moribund in 3 months.

Unless ... unless he starts blogging about food.  Who knows, he might corner the Blogosphere with tripe recipes.

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,19:43   

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I do like the unimaginative title of his blog, though, Egnorance. Geeze Louise, maybe Louis could start a business naming theocrat blogs.


Thanks....wait.....is that actually a compliment?

Louis

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2011,22:13   

My kind of compliment goes like this:

"The flesh of your buttocks ripples nicely to the tip of my whip."

Like the French say, no grain no pain.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2011,10:04   

Quote (Doc Bill @ June 21 2011,23:13)
My kind of compliment goes like this:

"The flesh of your buttocks ripples nicely to the tip of my whip."

Like the French say, no grain no pain.

whoa that is seriously focked.  i dig it

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2011,09:50   

Jonathan M on OOL

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Since information is a phenomenon uniformly associated with intelligent causes, it follows inductively that intelligent design constitutes the best -- most causally sufficient -- explanation for the information-content of the hereditary molecules DNA and RNA.


*Edited to complete the quote

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2011,09:55   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 17 2011,07:50)
Jonathan M on OOL

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Since information is a phenomenon uniformly associated with intelligent causes, it follows inductively that intelligent design constitutes the best

Well, that settles it, then. Everybody go home.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2011,10:15   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 17 2011,09:50)
Jonathan M on OOL

 
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Since information is a phenomenon uniformly associated with intelligent causes, it follows inductively that intelligent design constitutes the best -- most causally sufficient -- explanation for the information-content of the hereditary molecules DNA and RNA.


*Edited to complete the quote

Their information is uniformly associated with intelligent causes.

However, the rest of the world is perfectly capable of showing their intelligence to be somewhat less than that of termites (Hi Joe!).

It's truly amazing that these people can't even see that information does not equal meaning and that information can come from random events.

Morton's demon indeed.

I won't even bother trying to correct him.  The evidence is persuasive enough, ID proponents will never see it.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2011,10:30   

I would think it followed deductively rather than inductively.

1. Information is solely caused by intelligence.
2. A is information.
3. Therefore intelligence is the cause of A.

I think my wording is a bit clearer.

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