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MidnightVoice



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2005,12:45   

I have been involved in other boards and some of them have an "ignore" feature.  This can very useful at times.  Does anyone know if this board has one?  :D

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C.J.O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2005,13:46   

Well, peachy and the withered wisp seem to be utilizing SOME feature that allows them to ignore things like evidence, and logic, so I would say: yes. yes it does.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2005,13:48   

:D

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2006,23:35   

Slightly different mechanics... the primary hard disk on the server was getting intermittent errors, leading to the server going offline. A few hours ago, the secondary disk was made the boot disk, and I have been working since then to get everything back in place with the right permissions, ownership, etc., and I think that things are OK now. Let me know if there are things that I've overlooked.

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jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: May 11 2006,11:38   

Wesley, there are problems with nested quotes. Is there a way to fix that?

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 11 2006,18:22   

Quote

Wesley, there are problems with nested quotes. Is there a way to fix that?



If it was working before, I don't see how.

From iTextParser.pm:

Quote


$Txt =~ s{\[quote\](.+?)\[\/quote\]}   {
                  $html = do_wrapper({STYLE=>'QUOTE'});
                  qq[<!--QuoteBegin-->$html->{START}<\!--QuoteEBegin-->$1<\!--QuoteEnd-->$html->{END}<\!--QuoteEEnd-->];
                }eisgx;

       $Txt =~ s{\[quote=(.+?),\s*(.+?)\](.+?)\[\/quote\]}   {
                   $auth = $1;
                   $time = $2;
                   $html = do_wrapper({STYLE=>'QUOTE', EXTRA => "($auth \@ $time)"});
                   $extra = "-\-$auth\+$time";
                  qq[<!--QuoteBegin$extra-->$html->{START}<\!--QuoteEBegin-->$3<\!--QuoteEnd-->$html->{END}<\!--QuoteEEnd-->];
                }eisgx;



The regular expression,

\[quote\](.+?)\[\/quote\]

means "look for a quote tag, gather and remember the text from that point to the next closing quote tag". Which means that in any "nested" quote, it matches the outer opening quote tag to the innermost closing quote tag. To do nested quotes, I'm thinking that you would need a real parser, not just some regular expression matches.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on May 12 2006,09:39

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Russell



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,02:39   

I never did figure out how to do nested quotes. If it's working now, can someone give me a clue?

(I certainly hope that box Wesley just posted was not the procedure!;)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,04:10   

I think Midnight was asking for an ignore button where you could ignore certain users here and not see their comments.

And Russell, if you make a new post you'll see a Quote button along the menue about the new post, experiment with that button.  Also, when you read my post here you'll see a different Quote button.  Try that one as well and use the Preview button alot  :-)

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,06:03   

I suppose a work around for the nested quote thing would be split the nest up into separate quotes. More work, but it might even make it easier to read. I.e., instead of (A said (B said (C said ...) ... ) ... )
put
(C said ... )
(B said ... )
(A said ... )

Henry

  
steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,09:01   

The first of those regular expressions only matches quotes with no attribution. The second mathes only one with them. So as long as you do something like

Quote

 {quote=A,B}
   {quote} .... {/quote}
 {/quote} and don't nest any deeper you should be OK


Quote (A @ B)
 

 xxxxxxx
 
Quote
yyyy




This has been driving me crazy for ages. Thanks for the code snippet.

  
jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,09:10   

Quote (test @ test)

test
Quote
test

test

test

EDIT, it works!

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,10:11   

So inner quotes aren't allowed to say who said whatever it is? That seems like a strange limitation to have.

Henry

  
steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:02   

Not sure that a full parser is necessary. If you add a (.*) to the front of your pattern (To slurp up the longest text that doesn't contain {quote}, you can find the last complete inner quote. Then iterate until you find no more or you hit a limit (to avoid infinite loops if there is a mistake). I also combined the handling of {quote=} and {quote} forms, otherwise it still gets hopelessly muddled.


Code Sample
#! perl

$_ = <<END;

{quote=wes, 08:00:10}
  {quote}
     {quote}
        Three quotes
          {quote=steve, 01:15}  yes but  {/quote}
          {quote}  no but {/quote}
          {quote=xxx, 01:17}  yes {/quote}
          get a life, steve
      {/quote}
  {/quote}

  {quote=blah, blah} blah blah {/quote}
  {quote} yawn {/quote}
{/quote}
END

$MAXQUOTES=20;
$n=0;
for( $i = 0; $i < $MAXQUOTES &&  $_ ne $old; $i++)
{

  $old=$_;
  s{(.*)\{quote(=(.+?),\s*(.+?))?\}(.+?)\{/quote\}} {
       $n++;
       if ($2 ne "")
       {
        $x = "$1 {QT$n of=$3 at=$4} $5 {/QT$n}";
       }
       else
       {
         $x = "$1 {QT$n} $5 {/QT$n}";
       }
    }eisx;

 #   print "Iteration $i:\n $_";
}

die "unmatched quotes" if (/{\/?quote}/);
print;



produces
Code Sample

{QT8 of=wes at=08:00:10}
   {QT7}
      {QT6}  
        Three quotes
           {QT5 of=steve at=01:15}   yes but   {/QT5}
           {QT4}   no but  {/QT4}
           {QT3 of=xxx at=01:17}   yes  {/QT3}
          get a life, steve
       {/QT6}
   {/QT7}

   {QT2 of=blah at=blah}  blah blah  {/QT2}
   {QT1}  yawn  {/QT1}
{/QT8}  


edit: purged spurious last if.

My deepest sympathy to anyone that can make any sense of the above "edit" comment.

Do you have the code that handles hyperlinks handy? They've caused me considerable annoyance of late.

  
UnMark



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,16:10   

Would it be possible to display links to the last few pages in a long thread on the topic page?  For instance, if the last post I read in the UD thread was on page 93 and want to catch up on my lunch break (without logging in), I have to click the link to page 95, then go backwards.

Thanks!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,18:17   

Quote

Not sure that a full parser is necessary.


I learned long ago that if one asks, "Does anyone know how to do X?", one is likely to listen to the crickets chirping in response. Say instead, "I don't think X is possible," and you may soon be drowning in code. The slice of humble pie that goes with it is just the price of admission.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,18:45   

Here's the code that generates the page links on the forum display page. I'm willing to experiment if someone wants to take a shot at code to also display the links to the final three pages when there are more than seven pages total.

Quote


   my $Pages = ($topic->{'TOPIC_POSTS'} + 1) / $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'};
   my ($Int, $Dec) = split /\./,$Pages;
   $Dec > 0 ? ($Pages = $Int + 1) : ($Pages = $Int);
   $Pages = 1 if $Pages < 1;
   if ($Pages > 1) {
       $topic->{'PAGES'} = qq[<span id="small">($Forum::lang->{topic_sp_pages} ];
       my $i = 0;
       for(0 .. $Pages-1) {
           my $RealNo = $i * $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'}; my $PageNo = $i + 1;
           if ($PageNo == 4) { $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<a href='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CG\
I_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSION;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=] . ($Pages - 1) * $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_\
POSTS'} . qq['>..$Pages </a>]; last; }
           $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<a href='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CGI_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSI\
ON;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=$RealNo'>$PageNo </a>];
           ++$i;
       }
       $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[)</span>];
   }



Note that for topics with 4 or more pages, it simply terminates with linking to the final page. That's what "last" does in Perl as a command.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,20:18   

And for Steve_h, here's the section that handles the hyperlink stuff:

Code Sample

       $Txt =~ s!\[email\](\S+?)\[/email\]!<a href="mailto:$1">$1</a>!ig;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\](\S+?)\[/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target='_blank'>".$obj->chomp_url($1)."</a>"!eig;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*\&quot\;\s*(\S+?)\s*\&quot\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*(\S+?)\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*\&quot\;([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\.\w\-]+)\s*\&quot\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\w\-]+)\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,21:49   

Testing...

Quote (wes @ 08:00:10)

Quote

Quote

       Three quotes
Quote (steve @ 01:15)
 yes but  

Quote
 no but NCSE says

Quote (xxx @ 01:17)
 yes

         get a life, steve and visit TalkOrigins



Quote (blah @ blah)
blah blah or PT

Quote
yawn



Way to go, Steve_h!

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on May 22 2006,09:26

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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,21:56   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 13 2006,01:18)
And for Steve_h, here's the section that handles the hyperlink stuff:

Code Sample

       $Txt =~ s!\[email\](\S+?)\[/email\]!<a href="mailto:$1">$1</a>!ig;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\](\S+?)\[/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target='_blank'>".$obj->chomp_url($1)."</a>"!eig;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*\&quot\;\s*(\S+?)\s*\&quot\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*(\S+?)\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*\&quot\;([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\.\w\-]+)\s*\&quot\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;
       $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\w\-]+)\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;


Good grief. Trying to read code makes my eyes bleed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,23:47   

Wow thanks Wes. I didn't expect you to implement it. I thought you'd say it would be far too slow because it has to loop once for each quote tag. One way to make it faster would be to do this only when text was being input by the user  and turn matched "quote"s to matched IQUOT../IQUOT (or similar) and save that in the DB. Then when viewing you could process the start and end tags separately with simpler regexps (Simple string replacement for end tag) in one pass because you know they already match up. Of course you then have to handle internal tags entered directly by the user. And you'd have to turn IQUOT back to QUOTE for editing. Etc. etc. etc.

Re. the other topic: I'd like to see the page number which contains the first post entered after my last page view (not made in the current session) so that I could go directly to where I left off last time. Alas, I fear that may be impossible  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,23:50   

While you're at it, Wesley, could you change some smiley codes? We often add this one  :0 by mistake.

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,04:49   

An O(n) algorithm seems worth it to me. If it had been O(n^2) or something, that would have been cause for concern.

BTW, the form of the comments in the database is just a lightly filtered version of what you enter. All of the iB code stuff remains in its original form. Otherwise, editing would require re-coding and then decoding.

Hmmm, emoticons... :0 or :O . OK, the "wow" emoticon now is a colon followed by a capital "O", not the numeral zero.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on May 13 2006,10:08

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,04:51   

test removed

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,17:35   

This should work for the page link generation, if Perl follows rules similar to the languages I've used. It lists the page if page# is 1 or within 3 of the number of pages, and excludes any page#'s between those two ranges.

Quote

   my $Pages = ($topic->{'TOPIC_POSTS'} + 1) / $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'};
   my ($Int, $Dec) = split /\./,$Pages;
   $Dec > 0 ? ($Pages = $Int + 1) : ($Pages = $Int);
   $Pages = 1 if $Pages < 1;
   if ($Pages > 1) {
       $topic->{'PAGES'} = qq[<span id="small">($Forum::lang->{topic_sp_pages} ];
       my $i = 0;
       for(0 .. $Pages-1) {
           my $RealNo = $i * $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'}; my $PageNo = $i + 1;
           if ($PageNo == 1) { $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<ahref='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CG\
I_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSION;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=$RealNo'>$PageNo </a>]; }
           else if ($PageNo > $Pages-3)
                             { $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<ahref='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CG\
I_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSION;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=$RealNo'>$PageNo </a>]; }
           ++$i;
       }
       $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[)</span>];
   }



Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,18:25   

Thank you, Henry J. I still had a half hour of work there. I really wanted the two-dot ellipsis. Plus, Perl has a reserved word for "else if" that is not "else if" : elsif. The error message was not very helpful, either.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,10:26   

What Daylight Savings Time kicked in, this board went an hour behind, as displayed on my computer.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2006,16:06   

Thank you, Henry and Wesley!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,17:01   

I noticed it now gives links to the first three, then an ellipsis (...), then links to the last three (for topics that have 7 or more pages, I guess). If I'd known those were the specs I could'a done it that way to start with. :)

Not to mention if I'd known that Perl spells "else if" as one word (or if I'd simply put braces around the second "if" statement, as in { if (condition) { ... } else { if (condition2) { ... } else { ... } } }, but I didn't think of it at the time. [Don Adams]Sorry about that, chief [/Don Adams] ).

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2006,08:31   

Dr. Elsberry

Is there a possibility that recognised file extensions for images could include .JPG, as that's how my image files are stored on my web host?

(And the spellchecker still wants to call you Dr. Elderberry.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2006,15:04   

Both "jpeg" and "jpg" are already listed as valid extensions.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2006,21:35   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 20 2006,15:04)
Both "jpeg" and "jpg" are already listed as valid extensions.

.jpg yes but not.JPG (Capitals). I can load pics on to Blogger and elsewhere, but not here.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2006,02:57   

Hmmm. Try it now.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2006,08:23   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 21 2006,02:57)
Hmmm. Try it now.


  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2006,08:27   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 21 2006,02:57)
Hmmm. Try it now.

Cool!

(I'll reduce any future items)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2006,09:09   

Nice crow. :p

Where is this from?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2006,10:05   

no...

that ain't no crow, it's a heavily laden african swallow.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2006,10:21   

I wonder how many coconuts it can carry...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2006,21:13   

Quote (jeannot @ May 21 2006,10:21)
I wonder how many coconuts it can carry...

I don't think He(?)'s a swallow, I'm guessing some kind of eagle, perhaps with a feather-loss problem. I was wondering if Wesley thought he might be amenable to training, as he seems quite friendly. (he seems particularly interested in anyone sunbathing.) I thought I might call him Eric.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2006,21:19   

Quote (jeannot @ May 21 2006,09:09)
Nice crow. :p

Where is this from?

Les Aigles de la Cité, Carcassonne.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2006,04:40   

The nice birdie in the picture is likely either a Griffin Vulture or close relative.

As for the sunbathers, consider that motionless people without inconvenient wrappings might be of inherent interest to a vulture.

As for training, it might be done, but I sure wouldn't want to be the guy to do it. Other vultures are known for regurgitating stomach contents all over anything they deem a threat. I suspect that you'd have the same problem with a vulture, though, that you do for an osprey... even if you man them and train them to come to you, once they are loose, there is basically nothing that you can provide for them that they want. An osprey nails a fish target 19 times out of 20, and vultures don't exactly have a problem in obtaining "prey" once spotted. For red-tailed hawks going after rabbits, the success rate is more like 1 time in 20 attempts, so a falconer can well improve things by providing a reliable food source.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2006,05:44   

Wesley Elsberry iiiiissssss....

The Falconer!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2006,07:22   

Here is where I got the pic. They fly a gang of about a dozen Griffin Vultures, but they don't seem to lose many.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2006,07:26   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 22 2006,09:40)
The nice birdie in the picture is likely either a Griffin Vulture or close relative.

Indeed, it is Gyps fulvus, the only vulture we can find in France.
In French "vautour fauve" (fauve is the color of lions. Does 'deer' refer to a color in English?)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2006,07:55   

Quote

They fly a gang of about a dozen Griffin Vultures, but they don't seem to lose many.


Thanks for the info. It sounds like they do better than ospreys as training subjects.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 25 2006,00:44   

I cannot amend any of my posts. I get an error, something like this "You are not permitted to use this board...blah blah... you are logged in as Renier"

???

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2006,10:07   

sometimes the After the Bar Closes page mentions a new post, but upon clicking the thread, you don't get the new post. I've had the delay last as long as 15 minutes. Anybody else get this or know what's going on? Manually refreshing doesn't fix it.

update: a little more data on the problem. I was seeing
Quote
Pages: (29) < ... 25 26 27 28 [29] >
, and seeing 29 pages, and after 30 minutes, when it finally showed me the new comments, they were on a new page, page 30. So apparently page 30 existed for a while, but didn't immediately show up either on the front board or when you hit ">".

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2006,10:17   

I just had that happen. Posting in the thread seems to fix it.  :D Ahh, I love computers. If something doesn't work just bang on it a bit with your fist or a sonic screwdriver...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2006,10:29   

my 'test' post didn't fix it for me. It was a good 10 minutes more before I could see page 30

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2006,11:09   

Quote (stevestory @ May 28 2006,15:07)
sometimes the After the Bar Closes page mentions a new post, but upon clicking the thread, you don't get the new post. I've had the delay last as long as 15 minutes. Anybody else get this or know what's going on? Manually refreshing doesn't fix it.

update: a little more data on the problem. I was seeing    
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Pages: (29) < ... 25 26 27 28 [29] >
, and seeing 29 pages, and after 30 minutes, when it finally showed me the new comments, they were on a new page, page 30. So apparently page 30 existed for a while, but didn't immediately show up either on the front board or when you hit ">".

I'll corroborate this.  Yesterday I had two duplicate posts because of this bug.  It turned out the first post was at the top of the next page and Steve's query here shows me there really was some problem.

Steve after several minutes of closing windows, resetting cookies, and logging in/out, I eventually restarted my computer and that seemed to let me into the next page.  Although by that point other posters had dropped comments and I don't know that it wasn't those that kicked the system into letting me onto the next page rather than my restart.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2006,13:05   

Too air is human, but two really screw up won needs a computer. :)

Henry

testing edit function

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2006,16:46   

Quote (Paul Flocken @ May 28 2006,16:09)
sometimes the After the Bar Closes page mentions a new post, but upon clicking the thread, you don't get the new post. I've had the delay last as long as 15 minutes. Anybody else get this or know what's going on? Manually refreshing doesn't fix it.

update: a little more data on the problem. I was seeing        
Quote
Pages: (29) < ... 25 26 27 28 [29] >
, and seeing 29 pages, and after 30 minutes, when it finally showed me the new comments, they were on a new page, page 30. So apparently page 30 existed for a while, but didn't immediately show up either on the front board or when you hit ">"

The problem seems to arise when comments flow onto a new page. I've had the delay be as long as an hour or two, but eventually the new comments do show up.

It seems to be only the "AF Dave's UPDATED Creator God Hypothesis" thread that has this problem. Maybe God has a problem with Dave's hypothesis?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2006,09:03   

That thread is malfunctioning again. I know there's a new comment on a new page, page 32, but it's not showing me page 32.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2006,09:23   

I've mentioned before that iB has a problem when people enter very long comments. That can cause the symptoms being described. I have not seen a fix for it.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2006,09:52   

Wes, this seems to be turning into a valuable thread.

maybe sticky it?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2006,11:24   

Re "maybe sticky it?"

Where's that duct tape...

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2006,12:50   

to everybody who's having problems with that updating on AFDave's thread, here's how you get around it. When you go to AtBC, you're at this page:
Code Sample
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=SF;f=14


when you go to an AtBC thread, you get something like
Code Sample
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958


that t=1958 part at the end is the thread number. When you click on a page, like page 41, you get this

Code Sample
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=1200


that st=1200 part means throw away the first 1200 comments, and don't show any comments higher than 1230. If there have been 1202 comments on the thread, and you click on the link and it has st=1200, you get a page with only comments 1201 and 1202 on them. sometimes, whatever updates the page 41 / 1200 numbers doesn't kick in after the next thirty comments, and in this for instance, you'll see, on the AtBC page, a link going to page 40 (st=1170) even though there've now been over thirty comments past comment 1170. So you see only comments 1170-1200, even though you've already seen them. So the solution is this--if you know there are updated comments beyond what it's showing you, go to the last page it will give you. click on the URL in that field of the browser, and manually add thirty to the number. In this case, you'd change
Code Sample
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=1170

to
Code Sample
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=1200

and then it'll take you to the hidden page.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2006,15:06   

nice catch, Steve.

Your workaround does the trick every time I've run across the issue so far.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2006,17:12   

Yeah, and it doesn't just have to be Mod 30. You can throw away any number of comments you want. Me, I'm using an old computer, and it's a little slow, so sometimes I'll calibrate based on the reply number, for instance, if there've been 1245 replies, and I think I've only missed the last few, I'll modify the link to "T=1238" replies, and only have to wait for the last 7 replies to load. It's very comprehensible, whereas some content systems aren't.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,18:38   

small correction, just to be an absolute pedant about it--

t=1200 doesn't mean throw away the first 1200 comments. It actually means throw away the first 1199 comments. The first page only shows 29 comments, because it contains the original post. So the 30th reply is the first thing you see on the second page, and so on.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,08:58   

To me, the number of topics displayed in a forum page is too small. Interesting threads get hidden too quickly.
I don't know what you think of it, folks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,10:15   

Jeannot: Here's a small improvement you can make, though not related to the problem you mentioned. The junk up at the top of the page, like the Why Intelligent Design Fails ad, is clutter, and meant I had to scroll down to see the topics each time I loaded the page. So I got the firefox extention Remove It Permanently, and now that stuff is gone gone gone.

Another thing you can do with Remove It Permanently is get rid of most of those right-side items at Panda's Thumb, so you don't have to scroll down 5 pages to get to the Recent Comments box.

check this out:


isn't that better?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,10:43   

Tanks for the tip, I know this extension, but I use safari most of the time.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2006,19:56   

I ran into a problem similar to Alan Fox's, the board recognizes .gif but not .GIF as a valid format.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,13:15   

I recognize .GIT as your valid format. -dt

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,04:40   

I still cannot edit a post once it is posted. I get a "You are not permitted to use this board. You are logged in as Renier..."

Anyone?

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,10:00   

make sure cookies are enabled in your browser.

delete your cookies cache in your browser (or manually delete the cookie for this site)

close and restart your browser.

log yourself back in and see if that works.

if not,

write to Wes and tell him what browser version you are using, and I'm sure he will have some idea how to fix it.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,11:41   

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 15 2006,15:00)
make sure cookies are enabled in your browser.

delete your cookies cache in your browser (or manually delete the cookie for this site)

close and restart your browser.

log yourself back in and see if that works.

if not,

write to Wes and tell him what browser version you are using, and I'm sure he will have some idea how to fix it.

Hey dude, I enabled your mom's cookies in her browser just last night.-ds

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,11:55   

the topic of traffic at this site and Uncommonly Droll have occured periodically, so I thought I would point out a nice site that measures traffic for comparitive purposes, Alexa.com.

http://www.alexa.com/data....umb.org

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2006,11:49   

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 05 2006,21:06)
nice catch, Steve.

Your workaround does the trick every time I've run across the issue so far.

Yes, nice detective work!

Also, in case anyone hasn't figured it out, a one click solution is to just hit "add reply" and the missing posts show up, though in reverse order.

Steve, is there any correlation between the length of a thread and this error? It seems like it doesn't happen on short, non-trolly threads. And, if so, maybe the number of posts that cause the error is a clue to what is causing the error in the first place...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,10:23   

At the moment the front page says my last post on the gay marriage thread was at
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June 21 2006,20:08
when it was actually at
Quote
June 19 2006,14:01


When I made that post I also remember the next last post by stevestory was given on the frontpage as being much newer than it was

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,11:35   

I'm guessing here, but maybe the date on the topic index gets updated when somebody votes in the poll? So for a poll, the date/time last reply doesn't necessarily apply to the "last post by" id given right under that date.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,11:52   

Ah yes, hence the title 'Last Action' as opposed to 'Last Post'.

Oops.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2006,07:47   

The Uncommonly Dense thread is now doing that same thing that the AFD thread has been doing, i.e., not showing all the messages if it's just clicked over to a new page. This is the first I've noticed any other thread doing that.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2006,16:27   

Must be the size of the datafile (or files?) containing the thread. Since UD has a way larger post count than AF so far I'm guessing it isn't just (or mainly?) the page count.

UD - 4107 posts in 137 pages over a period of 5+ months since 1-16. (Approx. 26 posts per day.)
AF - 2491 posts in 84 pages over a period of 2- months since 5-1. (Approx. 49 posts per day.)

Wonder if somebody wants to start a continuation thread for each of them, post a link to the continuation thread at the bottom of each old thread, and then close the old thread to new replies?

Henry

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2006,16:15   

I don't know if this has been noted before, but some code that is normally ignored when placed in the body of a post, isn't when placed inside of a quote.

example:

I don't know if this has been noted before, but some code that is normally ignored when placed in the body of a post, isn't when placed inside of a "[quote]", as this example of the system ignoring the above quote code in the body demonstrates.

take the same thing and put it in a quote:

[quote]I don't know if this has been noted before, but some code that is normally ignored when placed in the body of a post, isn't when placed inside of a "
Quote
", as this example of the system NOT ignoring the above quote code when placed in a quote demonsrates.


just noticed this as sometimes folks will quote parts of others' posts that have code or "pseudocode" in them already, and it ends up looking rather odd.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2006,06:57   

On the forum topic index page line:
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Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread (Pages 1 2 3 ..144 145 146 )

the 146 is linking to page 146,
the 145 is linking to page 145,
but the 144 is linking to page 145 instead of 144.

The other threads with 7 or more pages show similar symptoms.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2006,06:19   

Sounds like I've got a fencepost error in my code. I'll probably get to it after the holiday.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,04:03   

Was it just me or were AE and PT down most of yesterday afternoon?

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,06:36   

Quote (Henry J @ July 05 2006,09:03)
Was it just me or were AE and PT down most of yesterday afternoon?

Henry

It wasn't just you.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,14:38   

Quote (Henry J @ July 05 2006,09:03)
Was it just me or were AE and PT down most of yesterday afternoon?

Henry

Same for me. Also this site is very slow atm for me. Anyone else having problems? Reminiscent of dial-up.

EDIT: Things seem to be improving now.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,06:06   

Re "Sounds like I've got a fencepost error in my code. I'll probably get to it after the holiday. "

Which holiday? ;)

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 19 2006,08:15   

What probability?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 20 2006,01:09   

whose code?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2006,15:09   

I'm not sure if this is the proper place to bitch, but I am unable to comment to Ed Brayton's blog. I enter my name, my email address, and a comment. I poke the POST button, and it says the comment is rejected because my name and email address are missing (which they are not). The help button says to use the zap cookies link for some reason. I click on that link, and get a page-not-found error. Great.

But I see that some people are able to leave comments. How are they doing this? I'd complain to Ed, but I can't comment on his forum! I'd complain on the offending PT thread, but it doesn't allow comments! Perhaps Ed is worried about critical comments?

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2006,15:15   

try to manually locate the cookie for that site in your browser temp files folder.

delete it, and then re-enter the site.

that is the function of a "cookie zapper", so manually doing this might solve your problem if his auto-zapper isn't working.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2006,16:54   

Wes -

could you please at least double the size of the personal mailbox system?

it fills up so fast it's scary at this point.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2006,13:50   

The comment authentication situation at ScienceBlogs could be better. They have all those different blogs, and many of them are set to use different forms of authentication. However, the cookie names are the same across the lot, so if you enter a comment at one blog, odds are that you will encounter a problem if you proceed to try to comment at another. As Neal says, the answer is to nuke the site-specific cookies and try again. You will likely have to do that more or less regularly as you switch around between blogs there.

I've fixed the fencepost error on the topic links.

And I've doubled the number of PMs allowed. Have fun.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2006,14:28   

Whee!

I'm like a kid in a candy store.

thanks Wes.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2006,16:45   

Is there any way to search for all my own comments? - or those of another person?  I seem to recall seeing the posting history of a particular naughty person one time, but maybe that was recreated manually, or maybe I subsequently constructed a false memory, as can happen.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2006,17:11   

Just wondering, why was the error called a "fencepost error"?

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2006,19:13   

Steve_h: Somewhere, I have a PHP file that queries the Ikonboard database directly. I'll try to figure out where I put that.

Henry_J: If you have a hundred foot of fence, and put a fencepost every ten feet, how many fenceposts do you need? A common error is to say "ten", when you actually need eleven of them. In programming, when an index ends up one-off, that's often called a fencepost error.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2006,05:50   

I've also seen it called "the nefarious OBOB" which stands for 'off by one bug'. Very very common.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2006,06:47   

The DNS entry for AE, PT, TD, etc. is changing today. Expect some confusion/loss of access for a bit as the change propagates.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2006,05:52   

Re "Expect some confusion"
Course, for antievolutionists, that's situation normal... ;)

Looks like PT's reply entry thing is down for now - last reply listed was from 12:07 yesterday. When I tried a reply preview a minute ago it timed out. Is that from the DNS thing?

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2006,07:30   

Drat. Yes, it is from the DNS switchover. One more domain needs tweaking.

Update: The change is in, and I was able to add a test comment over at PT.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on July 24 2006,14:42

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(Permalink) Posted: July 27 2006,01:50   

I've added the ability to display a single comment on its own, which may be useful for referencing specific comments rather than a comment thread or page. Click on the small "iB" icon just before "Posted:" to go to single comment view for any comment.

The "(Permalink)" URL is the same thing, just a bit more prominent.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on July 27 2006,12:03

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2006,07:17   

I'm having lots of trouble getting PT and AtBC to load these days. For about a week now, it's very unreliable.

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2006,15:16   

Re "For about a week now, it's very unreliable.  "

I've noticed that too. Sometimes I'll load the index page, then nothing else will load from there until quite a while later.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,13:55   

What gives with the edit function telling me I am not allowed to use this board, but I can still post and the system recognizes that I am logged in?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2006,13:41   

just to add to the obvious...

still getting lots of DNS errors for this and PT.

usually, it seems to worsen in the afternoon (PST).

totally off/on situation.  site will be unreachable for 15 minutes or so, then it will be just fine.  cycles on and off at seemingly random intervals.

I'd take a guess and say a switch is misconfigured somewhere, and is causing interrupted traffic to the DNS.

might even be far up the line from wherever the DNS is currently being hosted; I've seen that before too.

of course the only way to tell is if traffic local to where the DNS is located is affected similarly or not.

anybody out there NOT having any problems reaching PT or antievolution.org in the last week or so?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2006,10:44   

Yes, I know that there is a problem. I'll be looking into it more closely over the weekend. I'm also looking into having the Foundation buy a speedier server.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2006,10:58   

I spent time building both large and small server systems for a living.

let me know if i can be of help.

cheers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2006,13:30   

On the DNS errors: I noticed that if I used a dialup and got an error, I could go to another IP and I could bring up the site.

I was wondering if this might have something to do with the anti-flooding script?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2006,16:40   

One funny (not haha funny) thing that might (or might not) be a clue - frequently in a session I'll get the first attempt to connect to PT or ATBC, then nada for a period of several minutes following that. (Esp. for the first session of the evening from home.)

Henry

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2006,16:45   

I've also seen the "old" PT site (the text only version) pop up from time to time recently.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2006,13:34   

I realize that Wesley et al. are volunteers of the best kind, that newer-bigger-better servers cost money, etc., etc.

And I realize that Wesley is hoping to work on the issues.

But, grrr, this does get quite frustrating.  Not knowing whether your comment has posted, not posted, multiply posted, wasting time hitting "preview" and "post" over and over again, getting the "can't find page" page, going back, starting over.

I've written admin with no response and no improvement.  It took me four tries to get THIS page to open.

We've had multiple complaints in the PT threads themselves: me, Flint (I think), Popper's Ghost...

Help!  How are we gonna have any chance of snagging that Science and Tech award again when our own "internal" tech is so kludgy.

There, I've vented.  I feel temporarily better...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2006,14:21   

Is it time to ask us to pay money to support a new server?  Tis done on other boards - after all, someone has to pay for us to have fun

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2006,15:48   

I'd be happy to chip in with an insubstantial donation for a new server. It would be nice if you could indicate how much is needed and how long into the future at current rates the running costs are covered etc. as I wouldn't want to be subsidising a life of luxury.

I also often get the "text only version". I guess that's because an attempt to retrieve the images and  stylesheet, have failed. Have you been under DoS attack, or has your "declining popularity" since Kitzmiller reversed?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2006,23:20   

I can certainly chip in for a server. PayPal or whatever.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2006,23:31   

Id be happy to mail over some pictures of the Queen's head to you guys for giving me so much enjoyment.

Louis

P.S. Yes,let us know what you need and dammit we'll get spending!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2006,04:41   

On another board I used to send a fixed (small but double digit) amount every month directly to the guy who owned the server

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2006,05:28   

The TalkOrigins Archive Foundation is considering buying a new machine for hosting PT, AE, and TD. (We're just waiting to hear from Wilkins.) To donate to the TOA Foundation, visit this page.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2006,08:36   

Done. Sent 10 months worth.

Remind me again in 10 months please!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2006,13:40   

Ditto. Please don't spend it all on beer and prostitutes
unless you really have to.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2006,01:50   

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Thank you! You've successfully completed your purchase from TalkOrigins Foundation, Inc.
You've sent a secure payment of $XXXX USD to TalkOrigins Foundation, Inc. through PayPal. The payment will appear on your card statement as "PAYPAL *TALKORIGINS".

Please spend it all on watery beer and tarts wielding swords in a lake. Or a server.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2006,02:16   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 20 2006,10:28)
The TalkOrigins Archive Foundation is considering buying a new machine for hosting PT, AE, and TD. (We're just waiting to hear from Wilkins.) To donate to the TOA Foundation, visit this page.

And for those of us in the US of A, I understand it is tax deductible.  I know that, given the salaries of scientists, that is not a biggie, but every little helps.  :D

“The wages of Sin are death:
The wages of scientists are worse”

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2006,02:57   

Wes, have polls been temporarily disabled?  I no longer see the link to start a new one.  Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2006,12:01   

our bad; we had a poll frenzy week before you arrived, and Wes decided enough was enough.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2006,13:08   

Just sent in my donation-for-new-server.  Pretty painless and relieved a scootch or two of my increasing frustration.

Now for a Scotch or two...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2006,09:39   

Argy asks:
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Steve,

What's the moderation policy around here these days?  Do annoying "Paley, you are, uh, blithering again" posts disappear entirely, or will there be use of the bathroom wall?


This is a good question. Let's start by looking at Wesley's rules for the board:

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Antievolution.org Discussion Board Rules

   * MetaRule 1) DO NOT respond to inappropriate messages with a message.
   * MetaRule 2) DO NOT enter inappropriate messages.
   * No illegal messages. Posting an illegal message will be considered excessively annoying.
   * No obscenity or foul language. There is no need to express a message in vulgar language.
   * There are many different fora. Be sure to pick the *most appropriate* forum for your message. That could be at a different board.
   * Advertisements should be limited to items of a scientific interest and should not be posted by those with a vested interest in the item being sold, unless specifically requested by another participant.
   * Messages which insult or attack an individual are not appropriate. As those messages should be regarded as inappropriate, it is also inappropriate to follow up such a message with a reply. Use email for such correspondence, or to register a complaint with the moderator(s). Pointing out gaps in fields of reference (otherwise known as "ignorance") is *not* an attack.
   * Messages making claims about the actions, beliefs, or intentions of identifiable participants are an implicit call for discussion. The claimant is responsible for such claims. Failure to retract unsupported claims about other participants is grounds for banishment.
   * Each user is requested to consider the quantity and quality of his/her messages. One specific item to be aware of is that repetition of the same quoted material at a frequency greater than once per month is considered annoying.
   * Science makes no claim to be a source for all truth, i.e. events and activities which are unobservable and/or untestable are outside the realm of scientific inquiry. Religious beliefs that are outside the limits of science may be true or not; science is silent on the issue.
   * *Supporting* or *attacking* religious belief is inappropriate on this discussion board. A variety of other fora are more appropriate for such discourse.
   * Moderation messages not entered by the moderator are NOT appropriate on the board. Responses to moderation messages will be made via email, not on the board. Violators may be deemed "excessively annoying" at the moderators' discretion.
   * :Annoying: The state of being a hindrance to harmonious, or even interesting, discussion. Repeatedly being annoying will be considered excessively annoying.
   * :Excessively annoying: The state of being a hindrance to harmonious, or even interesting, discussion to such a degree that immediate termination of access is warranted or demanded.


Glancing through those quickly, I think I've violated 90% of those rules myself. Argy even violated one of them by publicly asking me about them. So we can safely say that these rules will be generally followed, but not all that strictly. You can violate the rules somewhat. and as long as there's some meat to what you're saying, I won't object. Although Wesley still might--my moderation powers augment his, they do not replace his.

What I'm most concerned about, is threads staying on topic. I don't care if the topic is a lovefest or a shouting match, as long as there's substantive discussion. We all hang out here and make snarky jokes and such, and those don't threaten threads.  Sometimes comments are made which introduce a big meaty topic which isn't relevant to the thread, and those I might move to the Bathroom Wall at times, if there isn't a thread fit for it. People put effort into their comments and it's usually very rude to just delete their work. That said, there have been a few comments I have just outright deleted. They're the type of throwaway comments that make you roll your eyes. You know the type. "Hey you creationist, suck my balls".

Enforcement of these rules is kind of like enforcement of speeding--spotty at best. For the same reasons. And if you want a rough estimate of how mean I am, there have probably been 500 comments since my moderation began, and I've deleted about 8.

My moderation is going to be imperfect, but I don't think it's going to hurt anybody. And it'll help me if everyone sends private messages to voice their opinions about the matter.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2006,07:23   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 26 2006,14:39)
 Sometimes comments are made which introduce a big meaty topic which isn't relevant to the thread, and those I might move to the Bathroom Wall at times, if there isn't a thread fit for it. People put effort into their comments and it's usually very rude to just delete their work.

On some boards (vBull) the Mods have a "split thread" option for exactly these circumstanves.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2006,09:21   

Yeah, we've got stuff like that here, too, but I'm not familiar with it. I don't want to hit the wrong button, and, say, delete all 5000 AFDave Thread comments.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2006,10:41   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 27 2006,14:21)
Yeah, we've got stuff like that here, too, but I'm not familiar with it. I don't want to hit the wrong button, and, say, delete all 5000 AFDave Thread comments.

But that would be a service to the whole community  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2006,04:43   

Hello.  Wee call for help actually.  :(

Attempting to activate my registration on ATBC, unfortunately my computer skills are about as good as my driving skills (sorry).  So I hope I'm posting this at the right place.   ???

I keep getting this error message:


"An error occured, not all of the required fields were sent from the validation link. Please ensure that they whole link was entered, it's possible that your email clients auto-wrapper cut the link in half. Please try again.

You are NOT logged in"


I've tried pressing the links provided in the email and also copying & pasting them into my browser.  Even when already logged in, going into these particular links, they dont seem to recognise me being logged in and I get the same error message.  I don't seem to have a problem logging in otherwise or with posting comments on a thread, but of course, I won't be able to after 30 days if I can't activate this darn thing.  Could anyone help?  Thanks.

Sincerely,

Darth Robo

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2006,10:00   

I don't see a problem in "Darth Robo" member record. Not sure what the error message thing was about.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2006,12:20   

Well I only registered with this forum the other day and have since tried to confirm the membership as I was asked to in the initial email and kept getting that error message.  But if everything looks cool, then I guess that's cool.  Thank you for checking up on me.   :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2006,22:45   

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"Commentary: How would you like to be the wholly-owned servant to an organic meatbag? It's demeaning! If, uh, you weren't one yourself, I mean..."


uh, is that from a certain special droid we all know and love from KOTOR?

ahh, yes, now that i take a closer look at your avatar, I see it is.

I suspect I saw you on one of the Kotor forums at one point or another?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2006,14:04   

Nope, 'fraid not.  I'm not much of a computer expert.  Actually, Pandas was my first foray into internet forums (lurked for nearly a year before posting).  

I do think this droid deserves to be in a movie, though.   :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2006,17:43   

I do believe the actor that did the voice for HK47 has in fact been in several movies, though I'd have to look up which ones.

yes, that character would be a good one for a flick.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2006,04:18   

Just a note: everyone might want to doublecheck their spam filters. I just learned that Gmail considered basically anything from Iconboard to be spam.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2006,20:51   

Steve,

Now you have your new role as moderator, with that additional responsibility, I wonder had you considered reviewing your listed interests in your profile?

  
Ved



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2006,06:49   

What happened to the "Plan B" thread? I don't see it anymore...

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2006,07:03   

I was kind of reluctant to begin with. It was intended to spur discussion about some thorny bioethics questions. It really didn't belong here anyway, despite the bio prefix. But then GoP showed up and started repeating the usual talking points, and when it was clear that if the thread continued, it would become the GoP Debates a Political Issue Thread #28, I deleted it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2006,18:48   

A request:

One of the features I like about PT is that the browser automatically scrolls down to the newer comments.

I'm assuming AtBC uses different software, so the same feature might not be easily added here, but it would be a "nice to have," should the idea strike Dr. Elsberry favorably when he has literally nothing else to do.

Thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2006,09:41   

I wonder something. -

Since a link like [...];act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=6000
shows replies 6001 through 6030,

and a link like [...];act=SA;f=14;t=1958
shows all replies,

could we have [...];act=SA;f=14;t=1958;st=6000
to show all replies from 6001 to the end of the thread?

If the act=SA and st=6000 parameters could be used together, then the link on the highest page number on a multipage thread could use that, and show the rest of the thread even if the last page number given on the index page is out of date.

Henry

  
Ved



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2006,10:22   

Steve, thanks for splitting afdave's broken thread. Can I make one suggestion? What I've seen done elsewhere is to put a link to the original thread right at the very top of the new one. I know Davey's been concerned about the original "Best Thread Ever" slipping off the top page, and he's said he's going to be reposting links to it throughout the new one. Maybe we can save him the trouble so he can have more time to consider backing up his hyper-thesis.

Also, I know that the UD thread isn't broken, but could it's size be contributing to sever performance issues? When I hung out at reefcentral I remember seeing some huge threads getting split up before, and the reason given was that the large size was taxing the server.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2006,10:29   

The U.D. and the Bathroom Wall threads have occasionally shown that same symptom (a delayed update of the page numbers on the forum index page).

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2006,07:44   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 27 2006,16:29)
The U.D. and the Bathroom Wall threads have occasionally shown that same symptom (a delayed update of the page numbers on the forum index page).

Henry

The bathroom wall is very broken in this way, and the UD thread is slightly broken. I'll think about it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2006,08:39   

I think I have a workaround for threads busted by the post count bug. If I manually update the thread_posts field in forum_topics, that should allow people to browse normally, until such time as whatever causes the counts to diverge from the actual strikes again. I'm thinking that an error that occurs after the post is inserted into forum_posts but before the thread_posts field can be updated is the likely culprit.

I've manually updated the BW and UD topics thus far.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2006,09:22   

thanks

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2006,12:51   

Steve, clear some space in your mailbox, it's not accepting new messages!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2006,08:41   

Is there any way to have a series of quick links to all of a users posts appear in the "Antievolution.org Discussion Board > iB::Viewing member profile" section?

I bet there is. Might be able to turn it on and off from control panel or something. There are times when it would be very useful. When having multiple conversations on one thread for example. (AFDave)

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2006,04:23   

That winking smilie is annoying.
It's triggered not only by 'semi-colon close parethesise' but also by 'single quote close parenthesise' like this:

;)
OR
';)

I've noticed it popping up in a lot of messages where the author never intended.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2006,08:10   

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Steve, clear some space in your mailbox, it's not accepting new messages!

I've been sending steve oodles of pron spam, but don't tell him it was me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2006,19:08   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Oct. 05 2006,13:10)
   
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Steve, clear some space in your mailbox, it's not accepting new messages!

I've been sending steve oodles of pron spam, but don't tell him it was me.

Pron spam? Sounds like some kind of seafood thing they'd eat in Hawaii... :O

Either way, your secret is safe with me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2006,08:21   

Quote (Mike PSS @ Oct. 05 2006,09:23)
That winking smilie is annoying.
It's triggered not only by 'semi-colon close parethesise' but also by 'single quote close parenthesise' like this:

;)
OR
')

I've noticed it popping up in a lot of messages where the author never intended.

Before you post your message, uncheck the box below the text entry field that says "Do you wish to enable emoticons for this post?

Annoyingly, you have to do it every single time you preview your message, and before you post it, because it keeps defaulting to "checked."

I just disabled it for this post, and as you'll note, your smilies are gone.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2006,12:26   

This question has probably been asked and answered before...

But what's with the extremely frequent "page currently not available" errors for this site? And for Panda's Thumb? It seems that whenever the one is unavailable, the other one is also unavailable. I'm pretty sure the frequency of those unavailabilities is a lot higher than any other site I ever visit.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2006,00:24   

Yes, downtime is a problem that we know about. We've been working on it, but there doesn't seem to be a simple fix for an intermittent problem.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2006,03:14   

Do we know what the source of the problem is? Is it a software issue, or a hardware issue (an overburdened server, for instance)?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2006,08:47   

I notice that the Britney thread seems to have disappeared - maybe it didn't have enough CSI or something? :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,10:43   

I found the Britney thread excessively annoying.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2006,12:11   

To say the least, yeah.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2006,08:25   

Now what's wrong with Degas?

Monday morning, 10/23, there appear to have been no new posts on PT since Friday evening.  Refreshing does zippo, whether on a given thread or on the main site.  Posting--er, attempting to post, er, make that, even attempting to preview--a comment results in "409 Forbidden."

Wha?!?

This really does get old.  If money is needed, one of the member-posters needs to go on the main site, start a post, and ask for the money.  What is so hard about getting a bigger server, better interface software, whatever.

Were we so bowled over with getting the SciAm award last year that we're determined to retreat into obscurity?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2006,10:25   

Clear your browser cache.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2006,16:08   

Thanks, Wesley.  Not only was that easy to do, but it worked!  I 've never had a similar situation develop with any other internet site, even ones on which I am a more frequent visitor than here (even one that I partially moderate).  But I'm far from an expert, so I'll reserve judgment on why PT and my one-and-only cache-overload "appear" to be correlated.

Thanks for the prompt response and the effective assistance..

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2006,16:30   

Steviepinhead,
Re "I 've never had a similar situation develop with any other internet site, even ones on which I am a more frequent visitor than here"

Do any of those have forums that approach the level of traffic that this one gets? (Esp. with that several hundred page thread that started less than a year ago... )

I figure a website that isn't a forum of some sort would be unlikely to present that type of problem, since its pages wouldn't generally change that much on a daily basis.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2006,08:43   

Henry: possibly not and, again, I don't have the tech knowledge to defend any claim that PT's infrastructure isn't performing comparably to a "comparable" site or forum.

But problems continue to occur with accessing the site, slow loading of the site, accessing the comments, slow loading of the comments, previewing and posting the comments, unintentional duplication of comments, accessing AtBC, etc., that I either NEVER have anywhere else or have very rarely.

I realize that we are in some sort of a server changeover, so I'm not going to jump up and down any further until that's been given a fair chance to shake out.

But, ultimately, if problems continue to occur, it would seem that at least one of several hypotheses becomes increasingly reasonable: we simply need more horsepower--let's make a concerted effort to fund and purchase it; we need better interface software (degas: ugh!)--let's investigate the options and obtain something that does a better job.  Etc.

I'm fully aware that when I say "we," I actually mean hard-working souls like Wesley and Reed, who have a lot on their own plates...so I'm being patient.

Being patient.

Being patient...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2006,15:17   

Something remains screwy.  The site continues to "freeze" at various points in time, particularly refusing to update to show more recent comments.

One sincerely hopes that "Clear cache" hasn't been substituted for "Refresh."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2006,09:17   

Same thing again today, 10/25: opened PT and was still looking at "Recent Comments" which has frozen with one of Lenny's on the Poynter Institute from early yesterday.  "Refresh" did nothing.  Cleared the cache again (sigh) and got to see the new posts (Obama, Miller, etc.) and new comments.

This ain't right, folks.  I'm using XP and IE, hardly the best but certainly the most whitebread operating system and browser out there.  They're giving me zero trouble with any other site.

What is up, really?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2006,17:11   

(The moderator returns home after being in town half the day. Pulls up AtBC...Let's see...About 6 active threads...Lookin good...Maybe a halloween idea... ~40 or so new comments explaining why AFDave's new claims are wrong 27 different ways... Everything's normal...Several more comments on that worthless ghetto thread of Paley's... Revisiting the reasons pro/con for taking action about that mess...checking out the UD thread...chuckle chuckle...)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2006,07:07   

SteveStory, very good judgement on moderation. Masturbating hobos is a good place to draw the line.

Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2006,09:37   

Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,13:07)
Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?

I wish there were, but I have not found such a thing.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2006,09:46   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2006,15:37)
Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,13:07)
Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?

I wish there were, but I have not found such a thing.

Go to Google and type in:

postername site:antievolution.org

it will give you all of the pages where the poster posts or is mentioned.  It's not perfect, but at least it's something.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2006,16:13   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2006,14:37)
Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,13:07)
Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?

I wish there were, but I have not found such a thing.

Steve, this site has that feature if you sign in.

You can find every post of mine with one click.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/forumdisplay.php?f=161

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2006,21:01   

Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,12:07)
SteveStory, very good judgement on moderation. Masturbating hobos is a good place to draw the line.

Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?

uh, why can't you click on the search button at the top of the page, then use the search by field to select "user name"?  then simply type the name of the user in the keywords field, and select the range of dates you want to search in, and the forum.

works for me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2006,18:38   

I am not getting individual posts. I am getting the whole thread.  ???

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2006,20:55   

ah yes, the posts selector doesn't work like it's supposed to.

sorry.

I usually am just looking for the threads themselves, so hadn't bothered to notice before.

oh well.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2006,05:53   

What about (after identifying which thread), downloading the whole thread using the "All" link (as text file if you don't want to mess with the html code), load that into a word processor or text editor, then use the search function in that?

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2006,10:11   

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Server Issues

Reed A. Cartwright posted Entry 2679 on October 31, 2006 03:33 PM.
Trackback URL:

When we switched to our new server software, it appears to have screwed up how some browser’s manage their cache. This means that some browsers are stuck on an out dated front page.

To fix this issue, you need to clean out your cache (or temporary internet files).

I also recommend that you upgrade to a modern browser like Firefox if possible.


Iow, each time we see one of these discrepencies, clear the disk cache right then, and then reload the page(s)?

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2006,10:48   

Sometimes I can't get here for an hour, and then see that there were several comments during that time, so my experience isn't necessarily representative of the group. Everybody knows there are connection problems, I don't want to be annoying by recomplaining, but I am curious about how my experiences are matching others'. Has today been the absolute worst for anyone else? I'd say 90% of my attempts to load a page have timed out today.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2006,10:53   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 31 2006,16:48)
I am curious about how my experiences are matching others'. Has today been the absolute worst for anyone else? I'd say 90% of my attempts to load a page have timed out today.

100% success on page loading so far today.

But the computer's version of 25 seconds between posts differes from that of my watch  :(

I think the problems might be restricted to those who have not donated enough money  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2006,14:01   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 31 2006,16:48)
Sometimes I can't get here for an hour, and then see that there were several comments during that time, so my experience isn't necessarily representative of the group. Everybody knows there are connection problems, I don't want to be annoying by recomplaining, but I am curious about how my experiences are matching others'. Has today been the absolute worst for anyone else? I'd say 90% of my attempts to load a page have timed out today.

It seems like it's an all-or-nothing proposition. Either pages come up pretty quickly, or the connection times out.

Today's been one of the worst in the recent past in terms of time-outs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2006,05:44   

On the T.O. website, the page http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/2006.html
needs updating with links to the  August and September feedback pages.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2006,18:56   

BTW, you guys are developing a reputation. Occasionally in my blogosphere travels I encounter a creationist who I think will provide lots of entertainment for us. Sometimes I contact them and let them know that a good fiesty discussion can be had by starting a thread here which focuses on their ideas.

The last two times I've done this, upon mention of AtBC, the response has been, "Yeah, uh, thanks but no thanks." They react like I'm asking if I can throw them bodily into a Troy-Bilt chipper shredder.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2006,19:10   

"The Chipper Shredder"

oooh, i think i just found the name for a new blog.

...and it appears it's not taken!

muhahahaha.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2006,16:01   

I was about to ask how come some of the threads on PT are coming up as blank pages, but decided to clear cache first. All the threads opened after that. Coincidence, or not? :p

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2006,17:01   

This morning, 11/9/06, the main PT site wouldn't open at all.  

This afternoon, in a miracle that almost equals that of the recent election, the site seems to be working fine.  Not only does it open, but the comments open, new comments post without problems, and everything refreshes in real-time, without need for cache-clearing.

Now, if only that kind of performance could be sustained.

But I'm not holding my breath.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2006,12:40   

steve:  what's the progress on obtaining a new server or at least a good used one? The levels of problems with this board are unlike any other site that I visit.

Cache-clearing, changing IP's using proxies or whatever seem to "help" a bit, but...this is pretty bad.

Oh, and I did donate 50 bucks towards a new server, so I'm not *just* complaining, although I like doing that. And another thing, why isn't this place cleaned up yet? Clothes all over the place, empty booze bottles, pizza boxes, ####. It's like carnival workers lived here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2006,13:38   

Re "And another thing, why isn't this place cleaned up yet? [...] "

Not to mention the, uh, "advertisement fliers" cluttering up the "Intelligent Design News" forum... ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2006,16:06   

I sent in $50 too!

Which is why I feel entitled to whine...!

Sorry about all the pizza boxes though.  I do bus mine, when I'm not too drunk to forget.

(Hmmm.  There's a good country song in this thread somewhere:
"The servers never pick up the pizza cartons...
The stupid servers don't seem to do much at all!
Guess I'll just chug down another coupla bottles,
Then kick old a-f-dave on down the hall!"
)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,20:43   

The new server box is being assembled. Components include an Intel Core2Duo 2.4 GHz CPU, 4 GB of PC6400 DDR2 800MHz RAM, and two 250 GB SATA drives. Reed and I are planning the changeover for this weekend.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,22:03   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Nov. 10 2006,13:40)
steve:  what's the progress on obtaining a new server or at least a good used one? The levels of problems with this board are unlike any other site that I visit.

Cache-clearing, changing IP's using proxies or whatever seem to "help" a bit, but...this is pretty bad.

Oh, and I did donate 50 bucks towards a new server, so I'm not *just* complaining, although I like doing that. And another thing, why isn't this place cleaned up yet? Clothes all over the place, empty booze bottles, pizza boxes, ####. It's like carnival workers lived here.

Steve: wakes up dead, on his horse: C&^%suckers!

No, sorry, DVD's of Deadwood notwithstanding, the servers here are maintained by Wesley Elsberry and Reed Cartwright. They are doing their level best, despite the huge problems connecting with this site. Some kinda problem laid in about July and ain't resolved itself since then. I trust in those which maintain the servers, despite my gripes.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2006,16:10   

Thanks, guys!  All efforts to better the situation are appreciated.

Hope the transition this weekend goes as smoothly as such things ever do, heh heh, and I'll keep my fingers crossed that things actually improve.

Dang!  Almost forgot to take that pizza box with me.  Again...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2006,16:51   

Looks like the PT thread chapter 3 has been targetted by pest(s).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2006,08:07   

Wow, is the new server up and running now? ... because this place (and PT, too) is F'ing ROCKIN'.

It hasn't even thought about balking this morning.

('Course it's Sunday morning, but still it's quick, slick, and something else that should rhyme with quick, but I can't think of nuthin.)

Anyways, I know y'all probably always hear the bad stuff, I thought you should hear an "Attaboy".

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2006,00:32   

The planned complete switchover, unfortunately, had to be postponed. The gear I got didn't play nice with FreeBSD, so I had to return it.

I did, however, get 2 GB of the fastest memory that would work in the current system and put that in. That happened later in the day, though.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2006,01:00   

You should set a paypal for donations. I'm good for it. Just don't splurge it on copies of "Of pandas and people".

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2006,01:07   

Donate via PayPal to the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation

This link is found on the TOA front page (text: "Make a Donation") and on the PT front page (in the "Information" box on the right sidebar, text: "    * Support PT: Donate to the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation").

Is there something that should be done to make those more visible?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2006,01:22   

Just sent a little something.

Its a tough call with regard to visability. You want it to be an option, but not to feel like begging. A subtle 'contribute' link or somesuch?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2006,14:19   

The new memory seems to have done the trick for the most part, El Jefe Elsberry. Cheers!

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2006,14:29   

Things were working slick for a while on the PT site.

But now we're back to "Can't be found."  Sigh.  Still seems better overall, time-averaged, than a week ago...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2006,13:32   

As of yesterday afternoon, it was no better. I had at least 4 times where ATBC wouldn't load, once where it wouldn't load for more than 5 minutes. I don't see that the new memory did much.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2006,14:24   

Well, the new memory is apparently just a band-aid.  Both PT and AtBC remain hard to access, but at least once you get on them, commenting isn't nearly the pain it was getting to be (not saying it's smooth as silk, either, but comments can generally be previewed and posted...).

Once you can get the site to load in the first place, which seems to be running about 60%.

On a good day.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2006,22:26   

Yeah, I guess I had on my Sunday Morning Rose Colored Glasses.

I'll be chippin' in.  It's still choking, but not nearly as much as before.  That's somethin'.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2006,16:17   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2006,01:22)
Just sent a little something.

Its a tough call with regard to visability. You want it to be an option, but not to feel like begging. A subtle 'contribute' link or somesuch?

What I do is keep bringing up the subject  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2006,07:43   

A few technical questions I can't believe I haven't gotten around to figuring out:

(1) How do people get their quote-boxes to include the source in the heading, like this:  
Quote
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2006,01:22)


(2) What does the iB Code Button marked "Code" at the top of the "Reply" box do?

(3) What does the _@ Code button do?

(4) How do you use fonts other than with the [b], [i], and [U] options?

(5) How do people get bullet-point lists to appear as bullet-point lists?

(6) How should I have learned all this stuff by myself, and, once I know the answer to that, will I find a wealth of other dazzling cyber-wizardry with which to win friends and influence my uncle?

-Russell, an old fart for whom all this new-fangled technology just moves too fast.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2006,18:42   

Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)
A few technical questions I can't believe I haven't gotten around to figuring out:
Method 1.
(1) How do people get their quote-boxes to include the source in the heading, like this:            
Quote
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2006,01:22)


1a. Use the "quote" button, shown at the top-right of every comment, to quote an entire post.
1b. Enter some text in the first window, cut bits from the quote which you don't want  in the second window.
1c. Preview - you see a preview of your post. The first window is now modified to include the quoted text in quote tags. You can now proceed exactly as if you'd entered the quote using method 2. Normally I preview again at this point.
Method 2.
2. and/or enter quoted text between
Code Sample
[quote=x,y] blah blah blah[/quote]

where x is normally the poster name, and y the date. You can write anything in place of x and y but they must be seperated by a comma.  (see page one of this thread for some convoluted examples).
     
Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)


(2) What does the iB Code Button marked "Code" at the top of the "Reply" box do?

It does the same as the "permalink" link. It gives you a way to provide a link to an individual comment which you can, for example, post to interested others. To use it, click on the icon, and then copy the link from the address bar of your browser. That was completely wrong. It lets you write code segments which are pretty much taken exactly as you type them. The first time you press it, a code tag is added at the end of the input box. You then enter your code sample and then press the code button a second time to generate a closing tag.  For example, I use a code segments below to show how to use EMAIL tags.   
Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)

(3) What does the _@ Code button do?

It asks you for an email address. The email address will be displayed an an email link by dressing it up with bb stuff which eventually gets replaced by html stuff. The stuff gets written at the end of the input area, not at the current cursor position so you may have to cut and paste. Alternatively click not the button but enter
Code Sample
[email]email@xxx.com[/email]
instead.      
Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)


(4) How do you use fonts other than with the [b], [i], and [U] options?

(5) How do people get bullet-point lists to appear as bullet-point lists?

(6) How should I have learned all this stuff by myself, and, once I know the answer to that, will I find a wealth of other dazzling cyber-wizardry with which to win friends and influence my uncle?

I don't know if 4 & 5 are possible. Answers to 1,2, and 3 have so far proved dissapointing in regards to improving wealth and influence
   
Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43)


-Russell, an old fart for whom all this new-fangled technology just moves too fast.


edit: the bit about CODE was completely wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2006,18:52   

Using guesswork and preview
Code Sample

[*] point 1
[*] point 2

  • point 1
  • point 2

    I couldn't get level 2 items using
    Code Sample
    [**]


    Wesley, what software are you using? Is there a  version freely available for inspection somewhere?

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    (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2006,19:00   

    I don't know about using other fonts etc, but if you see any examples (which I haven't), you could always try using the "quote" button to see how the original poster did it.

    (edit) However the "posting abilities" section suggests that some users (Wes, Steve Story) could be entering plain HTML which would give them full control over the appearence of thier posts (boo hiss etc). (/edit)

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2006,22:43   

    IkonBoard 3.02a is the version of the software running. It was freely available, though I don't know where you would find a zip or tar file of it now.

    No, at least I don't use any special HTML for my own posts. I don't think that anyone else here is able to do so, either. The iB code stuff is very much similar to UBB code, which many people have experience with.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2006,23:07   

    Quote (steve_h @ Nov. 27 2006,20:00)
    I don't know about using other fonts etc, but if you see any examples (which I haven't), you could always try using the "quote" button to see how the original poster did it.

    (edit) However the "posting abilities" section suggests that some users (Wes, Steve Story) could be entering plain HTML which would give them full control over the appearence of thier posts (boo hiss etc). (/edit)

    Actually, I enter my posts using Assembly Code. That gives me Total Control, NOOB!

    (not really)

       
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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,13:03   

    I found a ib301.zip by guessing at filenames:
    A list
    • one
    • two
      • 2a
      • 2b

    red otherBig
    non-proportional font
    MMMMMMMMMM.  Thanks for the correction, Scary

    Code Sample
    A list[list][*] one [*] two [list] [*]2a [*] 2b [/list][/list]
    [color=red]red[/color] [color=#00FFCC]other[/color][size=12]Big[/size]
    [font=courier]non-proportional font
    MMMMMMMMMM.  Thanks for the correction, Scary.[/font]


    Comic sans
    Edit: corrected font name as per the following post.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2006,18:15   

    Very helpful post--one minor correction on non-proportional fonts...

    I think you had a typo in the font name--courier.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,08:31   

    My weblog got SlashDotted yesterday, with over 8,000 page hits logged. How bad did access here get for people yesterday, compared to other recent days?

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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2006,13:33   

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 05 2006,09:31)
    My weblog got SlashDotted yesterday, with over 8,000 page hits logged. How bad did access here get for people yesterday, compared to other recent days?

    not much worse than normal. One or two hours where it was totally unreachable.

       
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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2006,11:24   

    The AE server is still very slow to respond. I am currently being rationed on my blogging by my wife and an egg-timer. It is very frustrating to watch the minutes tick by waiting for a page to update.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2006,02:10   

    We switched to a new connection a couple of hours ago. We should have more bandwidth to play with.

    I also have an order in on a server box. It may take a while to get it, install software, and ship it. I'll keep you posted.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2006,10:52   

    Once I flushed my DNS cache, things seem to work pretty well. Pages definitely seem to load faster, and (fingers crossed) I haven't had a page timeout yet.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2006,11:59   

    For some reason, I have NOT been able to get into ATBC with my laptop airport DSL connection all day (or PT, for that matter), and I've tried over a dozen times. I don't know why, but I CAN log on using my main, slower, non-airport connection computer. WTF?

    Either way, for me personally, my ability to use this site is REALLY bad today.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2006,12:19   

    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 20 2006,11:59)
    For some reason, I have NOT been able to get into ATBC with my laptop airport DSL connection all day (or PT, for that matter), and I've tried over a dozen times. I don't know why, but I CAN log on using my main, slower, non-airport connection computer. WTF?

    Either way, for me personally, my ability to use this site is REALLY bad today.

    Interesting; this site has gone from being one of the slowest-loading to one of the fastest overnight. Thanks Wes! And whoever your new ISP is.

    If you're using OS X, I'm thinking the problem with your laptop is you need to refresh your DNS cash. If you're logged in as an administrator, type

    sudo lookupd -flushcache

    then enter your admin password when prompted. If you're not logged in as an admin, su to an admin account, then type in the above command.

    If you're using Windows, the command is ipconfig /flushdns



    That will flush the DNS cache and you should be able to connect.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2006,09:53   

    It has been very clunky for a couple of days, but today it is fast.  New server of a lot of people giving up for a while?

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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2006,12:07   

    The switch to our new internet connection happened early on the 20th. The switch from Apache to Lighttpd took place last night.

    I don't know about whether people stopped using the box coincidentally, but I do know that total bandwidth use has increased.

    Average upstream for the server right now is about 520kbps. This is significantly more than our total maximum upstream was on the old connection.

    Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 21 2006,12:09

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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2006,12:52   

    Do we have a whoopee, jumping up and down smilie?

    :D

    Great news.  I am a happy camper

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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2006,14:01   

    Great stuff Dr Elsberry, myself, my wife and the egg timer thank you.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2006,10:31   

    It really has been a delight this couple of days.

    Thankee muchly.

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    Dr.GH



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    (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2006,00:43   

    Howdy Wes,

    How goes the TO battle?  I wonder when the feedback might come back online?  I should enjoy the respite, but I pathologically miss it.

    Gary

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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2007,20:43   

    I added this at the end of a post on Afdave's thread before I realized I should have come here.

    I've been having problems logging in. When I come to the main page, it frequently says I'm logged in, but when I go to, say, ATBC it tells me I am not logged in and I am not allowed to make replies. I've tried logging in, it goes through the procedure and welcomes me, showing my name amongst the list of people logged in, but apparently logs me out when I try to do anything. The problem happens with Netscape and Firefox and I've tried various things like rebooting the computer with no effect. Any suggestions for what is going wrong?

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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2007,13:42   

    Post batching?

    I see threads have new posts from teh contoll screens but when I click on the posts they're not yet there.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2007,11:22   

    It's still happening.. I know there's new stuff, I just can't see it.

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    "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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    "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
    "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2007,13:51   

    Tell me which thread(s), and I will see if I can fix it.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2007,13:59   

    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 15 2007,13:51)
    Tell me which thread(s), and I will see if I can fix it.

    So far only on the 'uncommonly desnse' thread. It seems to occur when a new pages starts.. I get the old page (as the last page) whilst new posts go on the new page.

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    "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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    "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2007,14:30   

    Yeah, reeeeeally long threads seem to do that. That's the reason the earlier afdave thread got closed and a new one started.

    Henry

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2007,19:44   

    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 15 2007,11:59)
    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 15 2007,13:51)
    Tell me which thread(s), and I will see if I can fix it.

    So far only on the 'uncommonly desnse' thread. It seems to occur when a new pages starts.. I get the old page (as the last page) whilst new posts go on the new page.

    Interesting. I've had the opposite problem of late. When the 30th comment appears on a page, by clicking the last page, I get a page with nothing on it, and need to go back a page to see the comment.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2007,13:30   

    Re "I've had the opposite problem of late. When the 30th comment appears on a page, by clicking the last page, I get a page with nothing on it, and need to go back a page to see the comment. "

    I've seen that a few times, too.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2007,11:09   

    What happened with the "recent comment" box on the main PT page? Did somebody get tired of it being swamped by the "nothing's word doing" spam pests?

    Henry

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2007,13:52   

    Update: the "recent comment" box on PT is working now.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,03:56   

    Hi Wesley,

    This isn't exactly board mechanics, but your ATBC message box is full (either by design or evolution ;) ). I've been trying to PM you for a couple of days, any hope of a wee gap to slot a message into please?

    Louis

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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:02   

    Yes, but does RM + NS fully account for the complexity of, uh, on second thought, never mind.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2007,11:26   

    HenryJ,

    Funny!

    Louis

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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2007,09:48   

    On the T.O. page "What's New",
    the link to " October 2006 Post of the Month: Skepticism of Piltdown Man." doesn't work.

    It says "The requested URL /origins/postmonth/oct06.html was not found on this server."

    (Also the link was never added to the page "Posts of the Month for 2006")

    Henry

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2007,11:29   

    I've changed the default behavior for emoticons. You can check the box if you want them, but the box is unchecked by default.

    The TOA pages were restored from a mid-November backup that apparently refers to a POTM that wasn't actually in that backup. We'll be fixing that by and by.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2007,14:48   

    Wonder if that Sten31846 guy and his/her/its/their relatives could be banned from PT, or do he/she/it/they change IP addresses too often to make that practical?

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,17:01   

    That Sten#### guy is at it again on several older PT threads.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,21:36   

    henry-

    those messages are just place markers; tests to see if the spambot can make it through ok.

    sites are then marked in their database as acceptable targets for spam.

    fortunately, it seems that the filtering software on PT is at least sufficient to prevent the followup spam messages from posting.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2007,15:30   

    Renewed Moderation Efforts

       
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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2007,03:15   

    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 01 2007,17:30)
    Renewed Moderation Efforts

    Beginning now, everyone here treats everone else here with respect or they get Bathroom Walled or just deleted. A little snark will be allowed. We're a snarky lot, so things like "check out this new blog by Casey Luskin, what a dork" will be permitted, but that's about it. If you have to be mean or rude, put it on the Bathroom Wall. The Bathroom Wall is the place to scrawl all your obscenities and dirty limericks, and it won't be moderated like the rest of the board.

    Ah bu.. but  ;) obscenities are allowed, right?!?  ???  Oh phooey! *scampers off to the Bathroom*

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2007,03:58   

    Steve

    Have you checked your inbox, lately?

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2007,16:18   

    Has anyone else had trouble with the "http://" button when posting messages?  When I click on it, I get the following error:

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    Error!
    You must enter a URL
    You must enter a title


    Anyone else getting this?  Anyone have any ideas what to do to fix it?  Thanks all.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2007,18:23   

    look to see if you get a little yellow bar towards the top of the page (in your browser) when you click on the link or image button.

    In mine it says:

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    This website is using a scripted window to ask you for information...


    click on that bar, and then the option to allow scripted windows.  

    You can also change the default setting in your browser; instructions vary on the type of browser, of course, though I would recommend just leaving it where it is and utilizing the "allow temporary scripted windows" bar.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2007,18:30   

    Yeah, that did the trick.

    That's weird.  I had no problem with it until just recently.  I'll have to figure out what changed on my browser.  Anyway, thanks fishy.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2007,18:43   

    likely you have "automatic updates" selected, so your browser might have been updated and it changed the default behavior to a more secure one.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2007,18:45   

    Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 24 2007,19:43)
    likely you have "automatic updates" selected, so your browser might have been updated and it changed the default behavior to a more secure one.

    Hmmm, I'll bet that's it.

    Darn you to heck Microsoft!!!!!1111!!!!111234!!!!!

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2007,18:58   

    well, if you're using IE, you should be able to change the default behavior to allow scripted windows without the "nag bar".

    let's see....

    you will have to change the scripted window settings under

    tools(on main menu bar)->interenet options(bottom of list that pops up)->security(second tab from left on top)->custom level (in the box that says: security level for this zone)

    set the following to "enabled":

    Allow websites to prompt for information using scripted windows

    (it's towards the bottom of the list; scroll down all the way and then back up a few lines)

    done.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2007,19:07   

    Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 24 2007,19:58)
    well, if you're using IE, you should be able to change the default behavior to allow scripted windows without the "nag bar".

    let's see....

    you will have to change the scripted window settings under

    tools->interenet options->security->custom level

    set the following to "enabled":

    Allow websites to prompt for information using scripted windows

    done.

    Done.

    Thank you once again.

      
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    (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2007,19:09   

    np.

    be careful if you frequently browse new sites, though, as you could get a scripted window running in the background without your knowledge.

    If you trust the site, it's not an issue.

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    (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,20:24   

    Whenever the word "new" appears in a comment it has the color red.
    Started happening a day or so ago.

    Test: new (without quotes)

    EDIT: Well, I guess it's not every time ... I'll try to pin down the circumstances.

    EDIT2: Among other places it happens here:
    Antievolution.org Discussion Board > All About Antievolution > Intelligent Design > Scientific Status of Intelligent Design

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    (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2007,09:47