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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,12:02   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 31 2012,21:32)
   
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 31 2012,21:48)
(snip) i give him 6 months to get on meth

Well, then, my prediction of a double-wide was right on!

(snip)
Hate to say it, but a meth lab would be a step UP from where Dr. Dr. "Oh, look at me I'm a goober!" Dimbulbski is today.

Ha! Move over, Bryan Cranston.

Hey, the dude's gotta pay the bills somehow.


eta this is of course a challenge to Kattarina98's photoshop skillz.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,12:11   

I find it rather odd that Southern Evangelical Seminary is YEC to the core, but their new "Scientific Apologetics" certificate program has as faculty Fazale Rana, and Hugh Ross, along with Dembski. They are all "old earth" creationists.

So, is SES just too stupid to know who they hired, or is there a change of heart.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,12:22   

Quote (Dr.GH @ April 01 2012,12:11)
I find it rather odd that Southern Evangelical Seminary is YEC to the core, but their new "Scientific Apologetics" certificate program has as faculty Fazale Rana, and Hugh Ross, along with Dembski. They are all "old earth" creationists.

So, is SES just too stupid to know who they hired, or is there a change of heart.

Naw, all of these fuckers have a fistful of business cards.  But it's got to be embarrassing to get a royalty check for a dollar fifty.

Check out this "company" and it's associates:

Logos Whatever Whocares

SES has a stable of dorks who probably show up on DVD and get a few bucks for every certificate they sell.  I can't imagine what the students must be like.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,12:22   

So Dembski was a rebel without cause?

 
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There’s a mentality I see emerging in conservative Christian circles that one can never be quite conservative enough. This has really got me thinking about fundamentalism and the bane it is. It’s one thing to hold views passionately. It’s another to hold one particular view so dogmatically that all others may not even be discussed, or their logical consequences considered. This worries me about the future of evangelicalism.
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Many Christian institutions have an inferiority complex in which they’re trying to ape the secular academy and gain its approval. Those that resist this mentality often adopt a fundamentalist mentality in which they think they’ve got everything nailed down. That may work in the Christian ghetto, but it has no traction in the wider culture.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,12:32   

Here's Southern Evangelical Meth Lab....



It's basically a car-park with a tiny building in the middle. Presumably the bulk of the operation is underground?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,14:26   

Quote (Woodbine @ April 01 2012,12:32)
Here's Southern Evangelical Meth Lab....



It's basically a car-park with a tiny building in the middle. Presumably the bulk of the operation is underground?

That's the admin block. the science labs are on Polyantha Rose Circle.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,14:29   

Very optimistic car park.

I would be astounded if Dembski moved his family there.  He has resisted moving from near Waco since his Baylor days.

Moving expenses to SES?  Don't make me laugh!  Those guys can't even afford fake car cutouts for their empty parking lot.

Note that for WaD this is ANOTHER step DOWN in his career.  He's not moving up to the Univ. of Chicago, he's moving DOWN from a big seminary with actual buildings to a certificate printing company in the middle of an unlandscaped field.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,14:39   



Edit: Dembski's sidekick is Jonathan McLatchie.

Edited by Kattarina98 on April 01 2012,14:40

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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,14:42   

I wonder if Dembski still has his share in the Bar-B-Q joint? At least they can eat the scraps.

Edited by Dr.GH on April 01 2012,12:42

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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,15:18   

Here's the SES cafeteria.



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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,15:45   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 31 2012,21:36)
Dembski's career is like a Slinky going down a set of stairs.



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,16:55   

Quote (Dr.GH @ April 02 2012,03:11)
I find it rather odd that Southern Evangelical Seminary is YEC to the core, but their new "Scientific Apologetics" certificate program has as faculty Fazale Rana, and Hugh Ross, along with Dembski. They are all "old earth" creationists.

So, is SES just too stupid to know who they hired, or is there a change of heart.

I don't think that they are faculty. I think that they are just using these guys for nifty quotes.

ETA - Just checked and found that Fazale is giving a summer course on Chemistry & Molecular Biology during the summer.

Edited by MichaelJ on April 02 2012,08:00

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,16:59   

"The Best Schools" likes it:

http://www.thebestschools.org/blog.......ogetics

Shame about : "The biggest drawbacks are that its famous founder, Norman Geisler, no longer teaches there and that the school has only TRACS accreditation, lacking accreditation from the more-recognized SACS or ATS."

What is this "The Best Schools" thing?  It's weird.

They even mistake a UK diploma mill based in Oxford for Oxford University!*

Is it in fact the PR arm of SES?

ETA *my bad.  Apparently the "Oxford diploma mill" is Wycliffe Hall, a Permanent Private Hall of Oxford University.

Edited by Febble on April 01 2012,17:04

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,18:03   

Dembski is a fascinating character to me, in a train wreck sort of way.  Here's a guy who paid his dues in Chicago to earn a PhD in math and another one in philosophy, and those of use who have traveled this road know that you have to do certain things to reach the end, so congrats to Dr. Dr. for that work.

And then he threw it all away which is the fascinating, on-going train wreck.  Why?  He could have picked up a tenure track job in math or philosophy or both at a small or large university and settled into a nice, long, steady, anonymous career and that would have been that.

But, no.  He appears to have bought into a cult that fed his very large ego and he went downhill from there.  He had a brief chance at normalcy when offered the director's position at Baylor, but he managed to fuck that up, too, but not from academic ineptitude, rather from his penchant of taking Jackassedness to an art form.  And that seems to be his m.o. to this day.

Perhaps one of our trained psychologists can weigh in on the self-destructive personality type exhibited by Dembski, at least, that's my personal, untrained observation.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,19:33   

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Perhaps one of our trained psychologists can weigh in on the self-destructive personality type exhibited by Dembski, at least, that's my personal, untrained observation.


In psychological terminology, this is refered to as a "Christianist wack-a-doodle nut-job".

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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2012,21:26   

About Logos Associates: They seem to have a shortage of women scientists.  Perhaps because "Math is hard!"

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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2012,00:01   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 01 2012,12:39)


Edit: Dembski's sidekick is Jonathan McLatchie.

Toll!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2012,05:54   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,April 01 2012,18:43)
Quote (k.e.. @ April 01 2012,07:45)
 
Quote (Henry J @ April 01 2012,08:41)
"Scientific Apologetics." ?!?!?!

Talk about the oxymoron of oxymorons!

Henry

I apologize for the pushing down theory of gravity so help me god.

I apologize for the the heat at the center of sun explained by the theory of nuclear fission so help me god.


I apologize for the theory of the big bang and its explanation of the origin of the universe 13.5 billion years before the writing of Genesis and the novel use of the literary trope of deus ex machina to explain the origin of mankind.

I apologize for the exstinction of life at the end of Premian period.

I apologize for being in the same species as William B Dembski.



LET IT BE SO

Yeah its dyslexic gay racoons all teh way down man.

The next time we see Bill will I imagine something like....


Hindu guru found guilty on 20 counts of molesting young girls

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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2012,06:09   

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 01 2012,18:03)
Dembski is a fascinating character to me, in a train wreck sort of way.  Here's a guy who paid his dues in Chicago to earn a PhD in math and another one in philosophy, and those of use who have traveled this road know that you have to do certain things to reach the end, so congrats to Dr. Dr. for that work.

And then he threw it all away which is the fascinating, on-going train wreck.  Why?  He could have picked up a tenure track job in math or philosophy or both at a small or large university and settled into a nice, long, steady, anonymous career and that would have been that.

But, no.  He appears to have bought into a cult that fed his very large ego and he went downhill from there.  He had a brief chance at normalcy when offered the director's position at Baylor, but he managed to fuck that up, too, but not from academic ineptitude, rather from his penchant of taking Jackassedness to an art form.  And that seems to be his m.o. to this day.

Perhaps one of our trained psychologists can weigh in on the self-destructive personality type exhibited by Dembski, at least, that's my personal, untrained observation.

Well, as I understand it, his thesis for his philosophy PhD was "The Design Inference".

Which is clever, but fallacious.

So he had the choice of sticking with a fallacious argument and not getting very far, or following the light and using his considerable analytical skill.

But it's hard to give up a good argument, especially if you got it published and lots of people liked it.

And very tempting to keep trying to rescue it, which, as I see it, he continues to try to do, and to tell yourself the flaws are fixable.

I think it's quite sad.  I'm actually enjoying No Free Lunch.  It's a good effort.  It just doesn't work.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2012,06:54   

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TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.


Somehow evolution always reminds me of this.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2012,07:17   

Quote (Febble @ April 02 2012,06:09)
Quote (Doc Bill @ April 01 2012,18:03)
Dembski is a fascinating character to me, in a train wreck sort of way.  Here's a guy who paid his dues in Chicago to earn a PhD in math and another one in philosophy, and those of use who have traveled this road know that you have to do certain things to reach the end, so congrats to Dr. Dr. for that work.

And then he threw it all away which is the fascinating, on-going train wreck.  Why?  He could have picked up a tenure track job in math or philosophy or both at a small or large university and settled into a nice, long, steady, anonymous career and that would have been that.

But, no.  He appears to have bought into a cult that fed his very large ego and he went downhill from there.  He had a brief chance at normalcy when offered the director's position at Baylor, but he managed to fuck that up, too, but not from academic ineptitude, rather from his penchant of taking Jackassedness to an art form.  And that seems to be his m.o. to this day.

Perhaps one of our trained psychologists can weigh in on the self-destructive personality type exhibited by Dembski, at least, that's my personal, untrained observation.

Well, as I understand it, his thesis for his philosophy PhD was "The Design Inference".

Which is clever, but fallacious.

So he had the choice of sticking with a fallacious argument and not getting very far, or following the light and using his considerable analytical skill.

But it's hard to give up a good argument, especially if you got it published and lots of people liked it.

And very tempting to keep trying to rescue it, which, as I see it, he continues to try to do, and to tell yourself the flaws are fixable.

I think it's quite sad.  I'm actually enjoying No Free Lunch.  It's a good effort.  It just doesn't work.

If Dembski does have "considerable analytical skills" he would know that No Free Lunch was stillborn. This means he either doesn't have considerable analytical skills or he's egregiously dishonest.  I don't know how NFL could be considered a "good effort." Not only did it fail, it failed on a very superficial level.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2012,07:51   

Well some things are easier seen as fallacious from one PoV than another.

The Design Inference passed both the PhD examining committee and the CUP reviewers.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2012,07:54   

Quote (Bob O'H @ April 01 2012,22:26)
 
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Here's Southern Evangelical Meth Lab....



It's basically a car-park with a tiny building in the middle. Presumably the bulk of the operation is underground?

That's the admin block. the science labs are on Polyantha Rose Circle.


Hmmmm

at another social realism site



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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2012,08:13   

Quote (Febble @ April 02 2012,07:51)
Well some things are easier seen as fallacious from one PoV than another.

The Design Inference passed both the PhD examining committee and the CUP reviewers.

Chain of mistakes = validation.  :O

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(Permalink) Posted: April 02 2012,21:38   

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Chain of mistakes = validation.??:O


Well, evolution by mutation plus natural selection is in some sense a chain of mistakes, therefore... :)

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2012,07:48   

Quote (Henry J @ April 03 2012,05:38)
 
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Chain of mistakes = validation.??:O


Well, evolution by mutation plus natural selection is in some sense a chain of mistakes, therefore... :)

Henry

Yeah I expect Sal to pop up pontificating on Markov Chains



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2012,16:14   

While all of you are attacking Dembski, you are not making any kind of argument of your own. No one has even made an argument against one of his statements. You have simply discredited him and sworn at him. While you may not agree with Dembski or Intelligent Design, give me a rational explanation about what specifically is wrong with it and defend your own position. You are actually demonstrating exactly what he says neo-Atheists do in his book The End of Christianity when he says:

“Instead of presenting scientific evidence that shows atheism to be true (or probable), the neo-atheists moralize about how much better the world would be if only atheism were true. Far from demonstrating that God does not exist, the neo-atheists merely demonstrate how earnestly they desire that God not exist.”

Your criticism towards Dembski would be much more founded if you actually had an argument against him or his belief.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2012,16:32   

Hey, kn0808, how's this for an argument:

Fuck You!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2012,16:39   

Quote (kn0808 @ May 01 2012,07:14)
While all of you are attacking Dembski, you are not making any kind of argument of your own. No one has even made an argument against one of his statements. You have simply discredited him and sworn at him. While you may not agree with Dembski or Intelligent Design, give me a rational explanation about what specifically is wrong with it and defend your own position. You are actually demonstrating exactly what he says neo-Atheists do in his book The End of Christianity when he says:

“Instead of presenting scientific evidence that shows atheism to be true (or probable), the neo-atheists moralize about how much better the world would be if only atheism were true. Far from demonstrating that God does not exist, the neo-atheists merely demonstrate how earnestly they desire that God not exist.”

Your criticism towards Dembski would be much more founded if you actually had an argument against him or his belief.

You'd really have to either be eight or have your head permanently in the sand to think nobody has presented arguments against Dembski or supporting atheism.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2012,16:52   

Quote (kn0808 @ April 30 2012,16:14)
While all of you are attacking Dembski, you are not making any kind of argument of your own. No one has even made an argument against one of his statements. You have simply discredited him and sworn at him. While you may not agree with Dembski or Intelligent Design, give me a rational explanation about what specifically is wrong with it and defend your own position. You are actually demonstrating exactly what he says neo-Atheists do in his book The End of Christianity when he says:

“Instead of presenting scientific evidence that shows atheism to be true (or probable), the neo-atheists moralize about how much better the world would be if only atheism were true. Far from demonstrating that God does not exist, the neo-atheists merely demonstrate how earnestly they desire that God not exist.”

Your criticism towards Dembski would be much more founded if you actually had an argument against him or his belief.

And what has Dembski ever done except to redefine design explicitly in order to include life within that definition?  It was an entirely illegitimate attempt to get around the fact that he has no evidence that life was designed, hence the resort to merely defining it as designed.

All of the rest of his nonsense is just so much noise to try to cover up that dishonest word-gaming.

Glen Davidson

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