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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2008,20:05   

Quote (Quidam @ April 27 2008,18:59)
It's all pretty incestuous.  

Isn't it great that we have the wedge document to predict their every move.  One day they'lll realize it's been made public and work out a new strategy.


Quidam says:  "It's all pretty incestuous."

Yes, based on their behavior, I think that what they are trying to do is make the world safe for incest.  Incestuous Design anyone?

When ID is viewed in this new light, I think it explains an awful lot.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2008,10:23   


Inspired by Pharyngula today



Edited by Lou FCD on April 28 2008,11:38

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2008,10:24   

Quote (Quidam @ April 28 2008,10:23)

Inspired by Pharyingula today

I have just done a sex we in my pants.

*applause*

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2008,10:28   

Quote (Quidam @ April 28 2008,10:23)

Inspired by Pharyingula today

Post of the week, there!  I hope it can get the notice of Pharyngula.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2008,10:36   

I wish there was an edit button so that I could correct my spelling of Pharyngula.  

Oh well, what can I say, I are an enjinear.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,14:20   


  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2008,15:34   

Rev. Barky heard a "Clear Eyes" commercial today and registered a complaint about the spokesman. :)

"Science leads you to killing people." So we should let them know that eyedrops are murder. Right? :D

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Patashu



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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2008,19:18   

It's OK to be a murderer because you were designed that way. People are not accountable for their actions, they were designed to act like that.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,16:53   

Kinda on-topic.

Check out this nugget:

http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008....science

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,17:16   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 14 2008,16:53)
Kinda on-topic.

Check out this nugget:

http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008....science

That guy is an ass clown.  Read the last paragraph again.

He seems to have a very limited undersatanding of history, and completely ignored the naughty bits caused by Christianity.

There must be a stupid gene or something that guys like this carry.

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Assassinator



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,19:20   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Aug. 14 2008,17:16)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 14 2008,16:53)
Kinda on-topic.

Check out this nugget:

http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008....science

That guy is an ass clown.  Read the last paragraph again.

He seems to have a very limited undersatanding of history, and completely ignored the naughty bits caused by Christianity.

There must be a stupid gene or something that guys like this carry.

That guy goes beyond stupid. He has lost any touch with reality, or so it seems. Almost made me vomit, that's one helluva thick vein o' tard.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,20:12   

Quote (Assassinator @ Aug. 14 2008,19:20)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Aug. 14 2008,17:16)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 14 2008,16:53)
Kinda on-topic.

Check out this nugget:

http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008....science

That guy is an ass clown.  Read the last paragraph again.

He seems to have a very limited undersatanding of history, and completely ignored the naughty bits caused by Christianity.

There must be a stupid gene or something that guys like this carry.

That guy goes beyond stupid. He has lost any touch with reality, or so it seems. Almost made me vomit, that's one helluva thick vein o' tard.

Feel free to add your $0.02. At least the posts go through straight away...

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Nomad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,00:52   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 14 2008,20:12)
Feel free to add your $0.02. At least the posts go through straight away...

Mine don't appear to be...  I thought I'd sent a comment through once, but it never showed up.  I've recently sent it through again, with a bit of an addition of some more stuff that occurred to me in the interval, and it's still not appearing.

It's possible that my first post was somehow lost, or maybe I was being particularly scatterbrained and never sent it (I do that on occasion, I have a bad habit of reading multiple things at once and leaving posts or emails half written while I do so, sometimes I forget to send them).  And maybe this second time it's just taking a while to show up.

My post was no amazing revelation, I'm mostly harping on the same things other people already have commented on, but it just ticks me off.

I know, I know, someone is wrong on the Internet, big surprise.

  
Assassinator



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,07:10   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 14 2008,20:12)
Quote (Assassinator @ Aug. 14 2008,19:20)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Aug. 14 2008,17:16)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 14 2008,16:53)
Kinda on-topic.

Check out this nugget:

http://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2008....science

That guy is an ass clown.  Read the last paragraph again.

He seems to have a very limited undersatanding of history, and completely ignored the naughty bits caused by Christianity.

There must be a stupid gene or something that guys like this carry.

That guy goes beyond stupid. He has lost any touch with reality, or so it seems. Almost made me vomit, that's one helluva thick vein o' tard.

Feel free to add your $0.02. At least the posts go through straight away...

Meeh, I've engaged in so many discussions like this over the past 2 years, I'm totally done with responding. Hence why I'm still hoping for some new, refreshing and creative tard.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,07:44   

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Hence why I'm still hoping for some new, refreshing and creative tard.


In creationism there is nothing new under the sun.  Only the parasitic hijacking of new discoveries made by actual science.  But I share your dream.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,09:03   

Looks like he's turned moderation on to stop the influx of facts:


So I'll park this here for a while:

"I never denied that they did. However, Darwinism and evolution created a whole new set of racial anxieties and provided a scientific, or pseudo-scientific, justification for racial extermination. "

But Hitler never mentions it:

http://sneerreview.blogspot.com/2008/05/darwin-exposed.html

;-)


John is correct, he does deny Common descent and in the first edition I believe leans towards a "young earth":

http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/2008/03/godwins-darwin.html

"Like a creationist, Hitler asserts fixity of kinds:


"The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. xi.


Like a creationist, Hitler claims that God made man:


"For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x.


Like a creationist, Hitler affirms that humans existed "from the very beginning", and could not have evolved from apes:


"From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us, that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today." - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier).


Like a creationist, Hitler believes that man was made in God's image, and in the expulsion from Eden:


"Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. i.


Like a creationist, Hitler believes that:


"God ... sent [us] into this world with the commission to struggle for our daily bread." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol ii, ch. xiv.


Like a creationist, Hitler claims Jesus as his inspiration:


"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them." - Adolf Hitler, speech, April 12 1922, published in My New Order.


Like a creationist, Hitler despises secular schooling:


"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people." - Adolf Hitler, Speech, April 26, 1933.


Hitler even goes so far as to claim that Creationism is what sets humans apart from the animals:


"The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator." - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier).


Hitler does not mention evolution explicitly anywhere in Mein Kampf. However, after declaring the fixity of the fox, goose, and tiger, as quoted above, he goes on to talk of differences within species:


"[T]he various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed." Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. xi.


So, like a creationist, there is some evolution he is prepared to concede -- evolution within species, or "microevolution", to which people like Phillip Johnson and Michael Behe have no objection. It is on the basis of the one part of evolutionary theory which creationists accept that Hitler tried to find a scientific basis for his racism and his program of eugenics.

Ergo, Hitler did not base his eugenic and genocidal policies on evolutionary theory, but rather on views that are very similar to those held by most creationists and many ID supporters."

Many Thanks to my good friend Allen MacNeil

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,09:24   

Rich - excellent post.

It should also be noted however, that

like an IDist on UD, by the 2nd edition of Mein Kampf,  most of the creo fundy nonsense stuff had been eliminated by someone more attuned to marketing than Adolf.

Probably an ancestor of Herr Rove.

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Nomad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,15:21   

Yes, moderation is on, but also my post did at first appear to be blocked because of the link to a site that lists some Nazi guidelines for banned books.  I removed the link and I at least got through to moderation.


I'll just repeat my favorite part, a new angle after Beast suggested that Hitler got his supposedly Darwinian thinking second hand through Haeckel.  He specifically mentioned the monists as well.  In the banned list you'll find:

"Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel)"

So they pretty much had it covered, Darwin, Haeckel, and the monists.  Darwinism was both insulted and banned.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,15:28   

I wonder how long he'll keep trying?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2008,04:06   

Sixteen years and still going...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2008,11:01   

What goes around comes around. It'll be interesting to see who starts shouting the loudest about this in the ID camp.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2008,12:18   

Quote (Amadan @ Aug. 27 2008,09:01)
What goes around comes around. It'll be interesting to see who starts shouting the loudest about this in the ID camp.

My prediction:

With a completely straight face, they will scream about how horribly inappropriate it is to compare your opponents to Hitler.

When presented with the double standard, they will (a) not reply or (b) say 'that's different'.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2008,17:14   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 27 2008,18:18)
 
Quote (Amadan @ Aug. 27 2008,09:01)
What goes around comes around. It'll be interesting to see who starts shouting the loudest about this in the ID camp.

My prediction:

With a completely straight face, they will scream about how horribly inappropriate it is to compare your opponents to Hitler.

When presented with the double standard, they will (a) not reply or (b) say 'that's different'.

Or c) accuse you of daily atheism

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2009,13:06   

There are doctors that are killing people, again, in Germany. - Ben Stein on Glenn Beck's show.

Jeez, when it rains, it pours. I came across something quite ironic in my readings for my Academic Librarianship class:
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The most profound influence on Johns Hopkins [University] was the German university. The place of science [in society] and the model of the German university are inextricably linked. In the abstract, this model focused on two central tenets--lehrfreiheit (the freedom to teach) and lernfreiheit (the freedom to learn). In the German model, and at Johns Hopkins, these ideals of freedom were best realized through individual freedom of inquiry. Less emphasis was placed on the lecturer and the teacher [after the British model, where presumably they also lecture on "Darwinism"] and more on the personal investigation of the learner (including both student and professor).

So...Stein is basically advocating (or claiming to advocate) for the German model of teaching. But they shoot people, don't they?

"Science leads you to killing people!" :p What a mess.

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