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|Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 14 2012,16:16)|
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|Scott, we will have to agree to disagree. I do not think it is unreasonable to ask someone whether they agree that meaning, truth and logic exists before we seek meaning, truth and logical conclusions. I am not trying to humiliate anyone. I’m simply trying to find out whether they will argue in good faith, and you can argue in good faith if you deny the LNC.|
Actually, Barry is telling a bald faced lie here. His interest is not to determine who is arguing in bad faith by denying the LNC. If that was his interest, he never would have banned Petrushka, who said the following (note the bolded text:)
|I accept the definitional foundation of logic.|
I also accept the findings of physics which make the concept of physical existence rather complicated. That just means that physical is not the same as the ideal, just as a physical circle is not an ideal circle.
I thought this was something generally agreed upon. I thought it was the foundation of Plato’s thought.
But to answer the specific question, in formal logic, the moon cannot both exist and not exist.
The question faced by physics is somewhat different.
Petrushka quite clearly answered the question "no", as Barry had wanted. It is just that he had the temerity to suggest that the world is far more nuanced and mysterious than small minds, like Barry, are able to comprehend. For the sin of showing that he was smarter than Barry, Petrushka was banned.
It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)