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Stephen Furley



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2011,07:26   

Quote (Kristine @ June 25 2011,18:21)
Incidentally, that whole rotten turd of a film is now on YouTube.

Thank you.  I have watched the first four parts; I have to go out now but will watch the rest later today.

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2011,09:50   

Well, Stephen, it is forum etiquette to

1) briefly identify oneself (even if to just say, "Longtime lurker" or "new to this board," etc.)

2) have read the thread before posting.

Now please read the material people have already given you.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2011,10:14   

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Mummy!  Wolfie is trying to take away my chew toy, Mummy!

Mummy, make Wolfie stop!  Poopy-head Wolfie!

*Dodges rolled up newspaper*
*tucks tail*
*lowers head*
*whines plaintively*
*tears up sofa while you aren't looking*

You forgot

*pees on pillow
*shits in coffee cup
*chews up iPhone charger
*subscribes to Skeptical Inquirer

No, no, I might be naughty but I'm not that naughty.  Especially that last item.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2011,11:09   

Someone on PZs blog said it best

"If it's the truth, why do you have to lie to defend it?"

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clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2011,11:49   

Professor Myers also pointed out that The God Delusion was, oh, what's that word...successful. Additionally, what with all those propagating fleas, apologists owe Richard Dawkins a debt of gratitude, for keeping them in sweaters for years. For Kevin Miller to think that there is some kind of comparison, along those lines, between Dawkins's book and that execrable waste of celluloid that is Expelled is just so damned silly.

(While my opinion matter not a whit, I will add that my reaction to The God Delusion was akin to Kristine's. It read like the book Dawkins felt he had to write, rather than truly enjoyed writing, like The Ancestor's Tale.)

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2011,15:46   

is concerned troll concerned?

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2011,19:02   

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Quote (Kristine @ June 25 2011,13:31)
It occurs to me now that Kevin was probably completely blindsided by this turn of events. He is likely hurt, and probably bitter, and I can understand that.

call the waaaaaaaaaaahmbulance

until he apologizes for his share of that pile of shit i hope he cries every day and has nightmares every night.

kevvy baby what's Sternberg up to these days anyhow?  looking for the hovind movie any.day.now!

Come to the Bathroom Wall and I'll tell the story of what happened with the first film that yours truly was in. At least, the way that I tell it, it's funny. Erasmus, you especially will appreciate this.

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2011,22:25   

when he gets to 014, we should sell.

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,05:44   

How does he jump from 013 to 58? Way to keep up with the stock market!  :angry:

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,05:44   

I don't see the need for all the  **DRAHHHMAHHH** {Jazz Hands}. Although given that Kev is butthurt and flannelling because no one takes his dishonest shilling seriously, it's all pretty par for the course.

It's pretty simple, as I think Wes and Kristine and others have already made plain. In the supplementary materials around the film could very likely be documents or whatever that are the Wedge Document 2. Or something like it. It's a possibility that any group of people interested in the legal challenges that creationists cause school boards etc to undergo cannot afford to let pass. Forewarned is forearmed when it comes to combating creationist tropes in court.

If these materials contain nothing of the sort, then fine, there is other value in owning the film. If the auction is lost then there's value in having that money in the TO coffers. It's pretty much a win-win situation for TO.

Of course it's definitely a lose-lose situation for Kevvo and chums....but then it always has been.

Louis

P.S. I am grateful to 'Ras for keeping the Waaaaaaaaaahmbulance on standby. I have fainting couches and smelling salts available for the concerned.

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,06:08   

Quote (Louis @ June 27 2011,11:44)
P.S. I am grateful to 'Ras for keeping the Waaaaaaaaaahmbulance on standby. I have fainting couches and smelling salts available for the concerned.

Do you also have a readily-available amount of clench-ready pearl necklaces? They can come in handy.

When all's said and done, getting the rights to Expelled has a kind of beauty and ellegance in its own ironic awesomeness. An annotated version would be a delight, whatever the extra material gained with the bid. Sure, it would make the movie twice as long, but only the original half of it would be tedious. Plus I'd finally muster the courage to watch that pile of crap in one go, which is a lot more than I have been able to muster this far.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,07:54   

I've been told that we've received 375 donations via PayPal since our announcement. That's an amazing response on the part of the pro-science community.

In the case that the TOAF "Wins Ben Stein's Movie!", the auction house requires clearing out the property from its Dallas location within 24 hours of payment. There's the possibility of assistance from other sources, but if there's anybody here who might be able to get themselves to Dallas and volunteer for the inventory, packing, and moving detail, let me know (you can send me a PM). If we have to do this, we would need people for Thursday and Friday of this week. Thus, I'd like to do like back in scouts and "be prepared".

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,10:35   

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How does he jump from 013 to 58? Way to keep up with the stock sock market!  :angry:

FTFY.

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socle



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,11:44   

Eh?  10 bids within 4 minutes, all apparently by the same bidder?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,11:53   

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Eh?  10 bids within 4 minutes, all apparently by the same bidder?

Bidder 5538 apparently has a "MaxBid" that is higher than all of those bids by 8466, who may have been trying to get higher than that. The last column on the right shows that 5538 is still the winning bid, but since that bid is not on the list, it must be a MaxBid. See the note at the bottom of the history page:

http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mnhistory.cgi?rosen2/1

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,12:24   

Quote (dvunkannon @ June 27 2011,11:53)
Quote (socle @ June 27 2011,12:44)
Eh?  10 bids within 4 minutes, all apparently by the same bidder?

Bidder 5538 apparently has a "MaxBid" that is higher than all of those bids by 8466, who may have been trying to get higher than that. The last column on the right shows that 5538 is still the winning bid, but since that bid is not on the list, it must be a MaxBid. See the note at the bottom of the history page:

http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mnhistory.cgi?rosen2/1

Anyone want to bet that bidder 8369 was JoeG?

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socle



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,13:17   

Thanks, dvunkannon.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,13:20   

Quote (Wolfhound @ June 25 2011,21:59)
Quote (Doc Bill @ June 25 2011,18:47)
Mummy!  Wolfie is trying to take away my chew toy, Mummy!

Mummy, make Wolfie stop!  Poopy-head Wolfie!

*Dodges rolled up newspaper*
*tucks tail*
*lowers head*
*whines plaintively*
*tears up sofa while you aren't looking*


  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,14:49   

Actually, what would constitute a nightmare regarding this collection, in my opinion (other than finding crap strewn all over the place, which happens), would be to find pictures of someone's kids, valentines or other correspondence of a personal nature, someone's Spanish homework or materials otherwise of a different provenance that would require identification and transfer to the owner. It happens.

After my internship last year, I was attending the SAA conference, or I would have volunteered to help my colleagues pack up a huge collection of aviation photographs in New Jersey. One of the archivists was kind enough to share his photographs of the packing with me: when they cleared  everything away, they discovered an exercise machine! :) (Same provenance, but out of scope.)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,17:52   

Quote (dvunkannon @ June 27 2011,11:53)
Bidder 5538 apparently has a "MaxBid" that is higher than all of those bids by 8466, who may have been trying to get higher than that.

I'm not sure, but I think 5538 could well be Ken Ham.  I'm assuming that this "maxanet" auction service which Rosen is using assigns people bidding numbers permanently; if not, then this means nothing, but previous auctions I find when searching for "5538 maxanet" on Google involve purchases of various small-value items from an auctioneer called Penny Worley in Maineville, OH, which is a suburb of Cincinnati.  The Creation Museum is, of course, also in a town just outside Cincinnati.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,18:11   

The AiG connection seems plausible. I would prefer to win the bid, but making AiG spend more than they planned to buy it is a decent consolation prize.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,18:20   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 28 2011,00:11)
The AiG connection seems plausible. I would prefer to win the bid, but making AiG spend more than they planned to buy it is a decent consolation prize.

Hear, hear! This is a win win, whatever happens!

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clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,18:22   

I posted the first result to a Google search of "5538 maxanet ham," but decided that that was wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,18:52   

Don't answer this, but I'm wondering if TOAF has shot its bolt?

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,20:55   

Seriously!??!?!?  Awesome.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,22:05   

I've seen an idea floated elsewhere that strikes me as something we could aim for if the bid goes our way. It was suggested that a documentary about the making of "Expelled" could be an interesting project.

I'd suggest a working title of "Intelligently Designed Lies: The Creation of 'Expelled'".









What? That is the soft version.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,22:26   

Quote (OgreMkV @ June 27 2011,16:52)
Don't answer this, but I'm wondering if TOAF has shot its bolt?

There are still some "reserve" assets.  ;)  But, I agree with Wesley's recent comment.

Edited by Dr.GH on June 27 2011,20:28

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2011,23:00   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 27 2011,22:05)
I've seen an idea floated elsewhere that strikes me as something we could aim for if the bid goes our way. It was suggested that a documentary about the making of "Expelled" could be an interesting project.

I'd suggest a working title of "Intelligently Designed Lies: The Creation of 'Expelled'".









What? That is the soft version.

Count me in.  How can I help?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,03:28   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 28 2011,04:05)
I've seen an idea floated elsewhere that strikes me as something we could aim for if the bid goes our way. It was suggested that a documentary about the making of "Expelled" could be an interesting project.

I'd suggest a working title of "Intelligently Designed Lies: The Creation of 'Expelled'".









What? That is the soft version.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You're much nicer than I am. I have a series of working titles in mind.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2011,03:33   

Reserve Met! So it's going to sell, that's cool. price is creeping up. Fingers Crossed that TO gets it.

  
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