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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2012,12:32   

http://www.latimes.com/news....6.story

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In 2010, he filed suit, alleging religious discrimination and harassment. Less than a year later, he was laid off, and added a wrongful termination claim. In the flurry of legal filings since, Coppedge included cartoons posted at JPL that he said mocked intelligent design. His attorney also wrote up a key conversation as a screenplay, complete with stage directions.

Defense attorneys scoffed at the accusation that Coppedge was targeted because of his beliefs. Due to budget cuts, including to the Cassini project, more than 200 employees also lost their jobs.

Coppedge had also waved off suggestions to update his computer skills and was saddled with a reputation for being "unwilling to listen and always having to do things his way," defense attorneys said in court papers.

In fact, during closing arguments, Fox asked the judge to recall Coppedge's demeanor on the witness stand. He repeatedly wandered off topic to discuss intelligent design.



Emphasis mine.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2012,13:51   

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In the flurry of legal filings since, Coppedge included cartoons posted at JPL that he said mocked intelligent design.

So he thinks they shouldn't be allowed to make fun of claims that aren't substantiated and don't actually explain, well, anything?

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2012,20:57   

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In the flurry of legal filings since, Coppedge included cartoons posted at JPL that he said mocked intelligent design.

So he thinks they shouldn't be allowed to make fun of claims that aren't substantiated and don't actually explain, well, anything?

Well, that's religion for ya... oh, wait, ID isn't religious. What? It is now? Well, colour me shocked.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2012,21:07   

The Coppedge Case Drags On

Now they're saying maybe there will be a decision in a year or two.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2012,11:31   

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“I’ve asked some really good lawyers and nobody knows the answer,” Becker said. “One lawyer told me it’s as long as he wants to take. It could take a year, two years.”


Really good lawyers, eh?  What, unlike himself or the flacks he normally hangs around with?  

Really, really, like, good, lawyers.

I assume the judge could rule against Coppedge with no comment.  Simply, "no, go away."

For anyone out there with experience in these kinds of wrongful termination cases, is Coppedge typical?

  
Sealawr



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2012,17:04   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 09 2012,11:31)
 
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“I’ve asked some really good lawyers and nobody knows the answer,” Becker said. “One lawyer told me it’s as long as he wants to take. It could take a year, two years.”


Really good lawyers, eh?  What, unlike himself or the flacks he normally hangs around with?  

Really, really, like, good, lawyers.

I assume the judge could rule against Coppedge with no comment.  Simply, "no, go away."

For anyone out there with experience in these kinds of wrongful termination cases, is Coppedge typical?

Yes, the judge could rule against Coppedge with a simple "judgment for defendant."

If the plaintiff or defendant requests a "Statement of Decision," then the judge must prepare a written opinion goign into some detail.  Most judges know how to write these to bulletproof them on appeal.

Under California law, the judge must render a decision within 90 days after the case has been submitted.

Reading between the lines in the linked article, Becker has continued to submit post-trial briefs, essentially re-setting the 90 day clock.

I suspect that's why JPL is not filing a response to his latest--they don't want to re-set the clock any more.

The judge also has the power to prohibit further filings.  I do not know why the judge has not done so in this case.  Most judges I know would have cut Becker off by now and rendered the decision.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2012,22:38   

Judge issues "tentative ruling" in favor of JPL

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A former computer specialist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory was not dismissed because he advocated his belief in intelligent design while at work, a Superior Court judge has tentatively ruled.

Judge Ernest Hiroshige said Thursday he is leaning in favor of JPL's argument that David Coppedge instead was let go because he was combative and did not keep his skills sharp.

Hiroshige, who presided over the lawsuit's trial in April, ordered a final ruling to that effect be drawn up and distributed within 30 days.


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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2012,06:09   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 01 2012,22:38)
Judge issues "tentative ruling" in favor of JPL

   
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A former computer specialist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory was not dismissed because he advocated his belief in intelligent design while at work, a Superior Court judge has tentatively ruled.

Judge Ernest Hiroshige said Thursday he is leaning in favor of JPL's argument that David Coppedge instead was let go because he was combative and did not keep his skills sharp.
Unfortunately, it is unlikely that we will see a post at UD or EN&V stating it is fine to preach ID at work as long as you are not an asshole towards your colleagues.

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Sealawr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2013,14:07   

Judge has issued final decison confirming the tentative.


No surprise--standard legal procedure in California.

http://www.lacanadaonline.com/news....2.story

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2013,15:33   

Appeal!

We shall be entertained!

Shades of Kitzmiller, I'll bet the judge simply plagiarized the defense attorney's findings.  I smell conspiracy!

Coming this summer:  Coppedge 2:  Expected Journey

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2013,16:53   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 17 2013,15:33)
Appeal!

We shall be entertained!

Shades of Kitzmiller, I'll bet the judge simply plagiarized the defense attorney's findings.  I smell conspiracy!

Coming this summer:  Coppedge 2:  Expected Journey

It will dwarf the competition!

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Sealawr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2013,17:09   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 17 2013,15:33)



Shades of Kitzmiller, I'll bet the judge simply plagiarized the defense attorney's findings.  I smell conspiracy!


Correctamundo!

"Becker — who declined to comment beyond his written statement — contended that by “rubber-stamping” JPL’s proposed judgment, and not issuing a thorough written ruling of his own, it would work in Coppedge’s favor going forward."

Actually, no it doesn't.  Judges routinely "rubberstamp" the winner's proposed judgment.  That's why the winner is known as "the winner."

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2013,17:25   

Ha ha, Becker loses that money for which he was hoping.  Yeah, you really earned it, chump.  Good attorneys actually consider whether or not they have a case...

Go ahead, squeeze Coppedge.  Bet you won't get much, but he'll get to suffer for listening to a fool like you.

Glen Davidson

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2013,17:28   

Quote (Sealawr @ Jan. 17 2013,12:07)
Judge has issued final decison confirming the tentative.


No surprise--standard legal procedure in California.

[URL=http://www.lacanadaonline.com/news/tn-818-0117-judge-confirms-earlier-ruling-sides-with-jpl-in-intelligent-design-case,0,2898



922.story]http://www.lacanadaonline.com/news....2.story[/URL]

404.

eta: Found if you go to their "818 now" tab.

p.s. why do these clowns all look the same?

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2013,17:35   

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"a handful of “malicious co-workers hated [Coppedge’s] Christian views,” as well as his interest in intelligent design, “which they ignorantly perceived to be a religious concept.”


As a friend said recently, "sometimes the schaden just freuds itself".

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2013,18:21   

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"a handful of “malicious co-workers hated [Coppedge’s] Christian views,” as well as his interest in intelligent design, “which they ignorantly perceived to be a religious concept.”


As a friend said recently, "sometimes the schaden just freuds itself".

Are any Christian colleges looking for a new Martyr In Residence?

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2013,08:08   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 17 2013,18:21)
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 17 2013,15:35)
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"a handful of “malicious co-workers hated [Coppedge’s] Christian views,” as well as his interest in intelligent design, “which they ignorantly perceived to be a religious concept.”


As a friend said recently, "sometimes the schaden just freuds itself".

Are any Christian colleges looking for a new Martyr In Residence?

Teaching Load:

1) Historical Computer Science - learn about obsolete programming languages and networking protocols.  

2) Advanced Topics in Human Resources - Conflict resolution and disciplinary actions

3) Introduction to Witnessing - How to fake migraine headaches while in front of a judge.

4) Advanced Witnessing -Harassing coworkers for Jesus.

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Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,17:24   

All the "reports" I've seen, were in "Expelled".

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