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Bebbo



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,12:45   

Oh Denyse, this doesn't bode well:

"I am the co-author, so if you understand the stuff I write here, you will understand that book. Promise!"

  
Bebbo



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,12:53   

Quote (Bebbo @ Mar. 23 2007,11:38)
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 23 2007,08:59)
Oldmanintheskydidntdoit beat me to a mention of the latest GilDodgen rubbish, but the tard level is so high it is worth a fuller quote:

From  http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ken-miller-a-wasted-life/  

   
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...... Ken Miller, in a BBC documentary entitled A War on Science, distorts and misrepresents Bill Dembski’s methods for inferring intelligent design.

Ken’s constant distortion of ID theory is very revealing. He can’t address the real arguments, evidence, or logic, so he makes stuff up. It’s like what Judge Jones said regarding irreducible complexity, that Behe ignores co-option, as though co-option is a real phenomenon and not just a made-up story that defies evidence and logic.  .......

Personally, I don’t think that Ken is insincere. I think that his entire professional life, and sense of purpose in life, is so invested in Darwinism that he can’t imagine that this philosophy might be wrong. If it turns out that it is wrong, Ken’s life will have been a wasted effort, and no one wants that engraved on his tombstone.


Projection, projection, projection, plus a little nonsense and fibbing.

As long as they can keep this up, we need have no worries about whether UD will continue to be entertaining.

Edited to add: To further support my point about projection, Dr. Dr. Dembski has just followed up GD's post by saying, in small part,
 
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Miller has a talk that he gives on campuses throughout the U.S. titled “The Collapse of Intelligent Design.” Let me suggest that if there is any collapsing going on, it is in Miller’s psyche and in his increasing inability to prosecute a reasoned argument when it comes to ID.


To which I can only add, "pppfffffffftt!"

The ID guys are so desperate they're now digging up old stuff to make it look like they've got something new to say. The BBC programme Gil refers to was shown in Jan 2006. The DI are doing a similar thing in posting a Phil Johnson article recently that actually appeared in a magazine in October 2005.

Dembski has definitely got a fixation with Dawkins. He claims Dawkins was the narrator of the BBC programme. I saw that programme last year and am pretty sure it wasn't Dawkins, although he was interviewed on it.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,12:54   

They've got nothing better to do than sit around and quote mine Darwin and smear Miller and so on. They don't have an investigative framework which leads to hypotheses and experiments. They aren't discovering anything. They aren't doing any publishing.

(being careful, before making that last comment I checked PCID to see if they'd revived their dead-in-the-water Intelligent Design journal. Nope. No activity of any kind on the ISCID site, except some guy named LifeEngineer babbling away to himself on the discussion board.)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,12:55   

Kristine,Mar. 22 2007,23:29] Cruel, but effective (and if we teach ID in schools, boobies won't be cruel to each other anymore?).  

Kristine - Thanks for the lead-in!  Did you REALLY think that this would get past your fellow sharp-eyed posters?

BOOBIES!  BOOBIES!  BOOBIES !



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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:08   

As far as I can tell, ID is pretty much used up. As a creationist tactic, it ran aground over a year ago. Are they going to try to get this boat back in the water? Is there a plan? Has anybody seen the IDers strategizing? Do they intend to do anything other than fade into obscurity posting bitter and delusional blog posts?

   
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:14   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 23 2007,11:55)
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BOOBIES!  BOOBIES!  BOOBIES !


Bah, humbug!
Not exactly the image that springs into my mind when I see the word "boobies".

Such a dissapointment.

  
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:15   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 23 2007,11:54)
They've got nothing better to do than sit around and quote mine Darwin and smear Miller and so on. They don't have an investigative framework which leads to hypotheses and experiments. They aren't discovering anything. They aren't doing any publishing.

(being careful, before making that last comment I checked PCID to see if they'd revived their dead-in-the-water Intelligent Design journal. Nope. No activity of any kind on the ISCID site, except some guy named LifeEngineer babbling away to himself on the discussion board.)

To make matters worse, they aren't even funny anymore.  I used to laff my arse off when I'd visit UD, nowadays it's depressing to read them.

And they talk of Ken Miller's "collapse"?  I thought it was Dimbski with 5 degrees yet teaches at a 3rd rate bible school and whose theories are but garbage except to fundies and tards.  I thought Dimbski's side lost at Dover.  I thought Dimbski's camp cannot get their ideas in high school classrooms.  And wasn't it Dimbski who produces flash animation that includes federal judges farting?

Who collapsed I ask you peoples.

Dawkins described Dimbski best when he called him a loser.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:15   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 23 2007,12:55)
Kristine,Mar. 22 2007,23:29] Cruel, but effective (and if we teach ID in schools, boobies won't be cruel to each other anymore?).  

Kristine - Thanks for the lead-in!  Did you REALLY think that this would get past your fellow sharp-eyed posters?

BOOBIES!  BOOBIES!  BOOBIES !


Umm, J-Dog, forgive my impertinence, but I think you got your attribution wrong.  Weren't you actually meaning to refer to this post?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:24   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 23 2007,17:08)
As far as I can tell, ID is pretty much used up. As a creationist tactic, it ran aground over a year ago. Are they going to try to get this boat back in the water? Is there a plan? Has anybody seen the IDers strategizing? Do they intend to do anything other than fade into obscurity posting bitter and delusional blog posts?

I think that this Biologic institute will produce a bit of research similar to what Axe has already done which will probably give them some new things to talk about for a while but then it will die down again. Until they get it into their heads that they should come up with an actual theory. Unfortunately this will involve alienating all the YECs so their support will die.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:31   

I leave ISCID looking for fresh meat. I go to the Discovery Institute and their list of recent fellows' publications:

 
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 Amtrak Deal A Key Link In Burgeoning Cascadia Travel
By: Bruce Agnew and Tom Till
Vancouver Sun
March 20, 2007

Global Nag
By: Richard Rahn
The Washington Times
March 19, 2007

First, Do Harm . . .
A betrayal of the hospice movement.
By: Wesley J. Smith
Weekly Standard
March 19, 2007

Slaves Among Us
Nearly 200 years since the British ban, slavery still extends to all corners of the world -- developing and advanced.
By: John R. Miller
Los Angeles Times
March 13, 2007

Economic Liberty and Islam
By: Richard Rahn
The Washington Times
March 5, 2007

When Killing Yourself Isn't Suicide
Word games may win the day in the battle of physician-assisted suicide.
By: Rita L. Marker & Wesley J. Smith
National Review Online
March 5, 2007

Warming a Cold Fact?
By: Richard Rahn
The Washington Times
February 27, 2007

Catholic Nursing Homes to Be Forced to Permit Assisted Suicide
By: Wesley J. Smith
First Things
February 26, 2007

Faith & Terror
Where some agree with Osama
By: David Klinghoffer
The New York Post
February 25, 2007

Intelligent Design in Biology: the Current Situation and Future Prospects
By: Phillip E. Johnson
Think (The Royal Institute of Philosophy)
February 19, 2007

The Age of Reason?
By: Richard Rahn
The Washington Times
February 18, 2007

Prager Shouldn't Lose His Museum Post
By: David Klinghoffer
Los Angeles Jewish Journal
February 16, 2007

We Have Nothing To Fear But Fear Itself
By: David Klinghoffer
The Forward
February 16, 2007

Anything Goes
The International Society for Stem Cell Research issues its "ethical guidelines."
By: Wesley J. Smith
The Weekly Standard
February 14, 2007

Beware of Darwin Day
By: Anika Smith
The Falcon
February 12, 2007

Happy Darwin Day!
Celebrating mankind's discovery of eugenics.
By: David Klinghoffer
The Weekly Standard
February 12, 2007

The Heavy Hand of Darwinist Orthodoxy
By: David Klinghoffer
Jerusalem Post
February 12, 2007

The Gospel According to Darwin
There is scant reporting on the anti-religious zeal with which many atheists promote Darwinism.
By: John West
National Review
February 12, 2007

The Imperial Congress
By: Richard Rahn
The Washington Times
February 11, 2007

Regulating the Unknown
By: Richard Rahn
The Washington Times
February 8, 2007


National Review? The Weekly Standard? Moon's Washington Times? I was expecting Science and Nature, honestly. Okay, I wasn't.

Well, ISCID cancelled all their conferences and symposia, and apparently the journal for all we can tell, maybe the DI events have a pulse?

Oooo, hey, look, they have a conference tomorrow:

 
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March 24, 2007
Join New York Times bestselling author Lee Strobel and leading scientists and philosophers as they explore the growing scientific evidence that life and the universe were intelligently designed at this all-day event on March 24, 2007 at the Knoxville Convention Center in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Featured speakers include:

   * Lee Strobel, journalist and bestselling author of The Case for a Creator.
   * Dr. Michael Behe, Lehigh University biochemist and author of the bestselling book Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution.
   * Dr. Stephen Meyer, Director, Center for Science and Culture at Discovery Institute, and co-editor of Darwinism, Design, and Public Education.
   * Dr. Jay Richards, Research Fellow of the Acton Institute, CSC senior fellow, and co-author of The Privileged Planet.


Schedule
The conference runs from 9:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.
For an overview of the schedule CLICK HERE

Conference Fees (not including service and shipping charges of ticketing agency)

   * General Admission: $55
   * Students: $5 with valid Student ID (on a space available basis)


After March 20th, tickets may be purchased at the door with CASH or CHECK only. If you have been given information regarding a group discount, please bring your code with you and we will honor the rate.


Recommended hotel: Four Points by Sheraton Knoxville Cumberland House Hotel.


For more information, including special group and couple rates, contact [EMAIL=conferences@discovery.org.]conferences@discovery.org.[/EMAIL]


That's weird. I don't remember reading anything about that at Uncommonly Dense. Do the Densians even know there's a big ID conference tomorrow? It's the event of the season, man.

Maybe the DI's where it's at, what with this big impressive conference and all. What's up next on their agenda?

 
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March 27, 2007
Washington Policy Center Luncheon
Featuring U.S. Ambassador to Singapore, Patricia L. Herbold

Discovery Institute is pleased to co-sponsor a luncheon featuring U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Singapore, Patricia L. Herbold,

The event will be held from 12:00 – 1:30 p.m. on Tuesday, March 27 at the Washington Athletic Club in downtown Seattle.

Ambassador Herbold will be making a presentation on "Singapore as a Strategic and Economic Partner: How the United States Benefits." Singapore is consistently ranked as one of the most economically free countries in the world in the annual Index of World Economic Freedom and is a key player in the politically-challenging region of Asia. Don't miss out on this unique event!

Ms. Patricia Herbold of Bellevue, Washington was sworn in as the U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Singapore on November 7, 2005. She began her career as an analytical chemist at the Federal Water Pollution Control Administration in Cincinnati, Ohio. Ms. Herbold served as a Councilmember and Mayor of Montgomery, Ohio from 1983-1987. She served on Washington Policy Center's board of directors for nine years after moving to Washington in 1995. She served as a gubernatorial appointment as a Commissioner on the Washington State Gambling Commission from 1997-2000. Ms. Herbold is married to Discovery Institute board member Robert J. Herbold. They have three children and five grandchildren.

To register online or for more information please visit www.washingtonpolicy.org or contact Anna Carroll at 206-937-9691 or [EMAIL=acarroll@washingtonpolicy.org.]acarroll@washingtonpolicy.org.[/EMAIL]


Well, okay, they can't all be winners. What's next?

 
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April 13, 2007
Join New York Times bestselling author Lee Strobel and leading scientists and philosophers as they explore the growing scientific evidence that life and the universe were intelligently designed at this two-day event on April 13 and 14 in the McFarlin Auditorium on the campus of Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas.
Featured speakers include:

   * Lee Strobel, journalist and bestselling author of The Case for a Creator.
   * Dr. Michael Behe, Lehigh University biochemist and author of the bestselling book Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution.
   * Dr. Stephen Meyer, Director, Center for Science and Culture at Discovery Institute, and co-editor of Darwinism, Design, and Public Education.
   * Dr. Jay Richards, Research Fellow of the Acton Institute, CSC senior fellow, and co-author of The Privileged Planet.


Schedule

   * Friday Night: Session with Lee Strobel.
   * Saturday (all day): Sessions with Michael Behe, Stephen Meyer, and Jay Richards.


Sneak Peek:
If you would like an idea of the content of the conference, below are trailers to several of the documentaries we have produced which include some of the speakers and information to be covered in the conference.
The Privileged Planet
Unlocking the Mystery of Life
Icons of Evolution

Conference Fees (not including service and shipping charges of ticketing agency)

   * General Admission: $55
   * Students and teachers: $5 with valid School ID (on a space available basis)


To purchase tickets to this event, CLICK HERE.


Online Ticket Sales will end on Wednesday, April 11th at 12:00pm CDT. If we do not sell-out prior to that time, there might be a limited number of tickets at the door. At the door only CASH or CHECK will be accepted.


Recommended hotel: Bradford Homesuites - Dallas, Lincoln Park..

For more information, including special group and couple rates, contact [EMAIL=conferences@discovery.org.]conferences@discovery.org.[/EMAIL]


What? I thought I just saw that one. But in a different city. Apparently, they're having a conference, then...um...having the same conference again. Same people, same topics. I haven't been to too many conferences, but, really, does that seem like a scientific conference to you?

   
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:39   

I work accross the freeway from SMU..Perhaps I'll check out that event. But I hate the idea of giving them $55...

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:47   

So maybe that's their strategy. Come up with a dozen knock-out experiments and then say you have papers proving intelligent design.

I suppose they'll have their own little building, to join the research institutes at ReasonsToBelieve, the Creation Research Society, etc.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel....ab.html

   
2ndclass



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:52   

Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 23 2007,08:59)
 
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Miller has a talk that he gives on campuses throughout the U.S. titled “The Collapse of Intelligent Design.” Let me suggest that if there is any collapsing going on, it is in Miller’s psyche and in his increasing inability to prosecute a reasoned argument when it comes to ID.

Dr. Dembski, you can suggest it all you want.  May I suggest that you suggest it in a forum that actually has any import, such as a deposition, a witness stand, or a tech journal?

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,14:07   

teh comments are the funny on that thread!
nightlight:  
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When they have to defend their “theory” using this kind of childish sophistry, they know they have lost on substance and are now clinging for dear life to keep the less educated segments of the public in the dark about the outcome. They are obviously not arguing with Dembsky any more.

As concessions of defeat go, I think this thinly veiled way of saying ‘we have lost and we know it and you know that’ is as far as they will publicly humiliate themselves.

They'll need a new bulb for that projector soon!
Odd, as I thought that keep(ing) the less educated segments of the public in the dark was ID's entire strategy!
And as far as public humilation goes, you can see ID's very public humilation every day by visiting:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/
http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe/
and i'd call thinking that fart jokes are a "reasoned" response to a court defeat and then being called out on a book that somebody paid good money for you to write was certanly public humilation a-plenty!

 
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They are obviously not arguing with Dembsky any more

they are obviously not engaging with the "reality based community" anymore either!

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,14:42   

Quote (2ndclass @ Mar. 23 2007,12:52)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 23 2007,08:59)
   
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Miller has a talk that he gives on campuses throughout the U.S. titled “The Collapse of Intelligent Design.” Let me suggest that if there is any collapsing going on, it is in Miller’s psyche and in his increasing inability to prosecute a reasoned argument when it comes to ID.

Dr. Dembski, you can suggest it all you want.  May I suggest that you suggest it in a forum that actually has any import, such as a deposition, a witness stand, or a tech journal?

I think he's hiding something - Dembksi says:
"prosecute a reasoned argument when it comes to ID"

Maybe's he's killed DaveScot and burried him in the Big ID Lab outback...  A falling out between thieves as it were.

Or maybe his mommy didn't breast-feed him long enough, and he has some repressed sexual issues he's trying to work through, but all he know is he wants to be prosecuted, he wants to be hurt....
He is such a BAD boy!



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UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,15:05   

DaveTard has gone dark since he blustered on FTK's blog about wanting a fight. He got an invitation and shat his pants, again.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,15:41   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 23 2007,17:47)
So maybe that's their strategy. Come up with a dozen knock-out experiments and then say you have papers proving intelligent design.

I suppose they'll have their own little building, to join the research institutes at ReasonsToBelieve, the Creation Research Society, etc.

Thats my prediction.

Has that BBC documentary with Ken Miller just been shown in the US or are they just digging around for things to blog about?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,15:45   

10 papers on "how we couldn't find a path from x to y (which is unsurprising as we're poor researchers and would be upset if we found the path as it wouldn't support our worldview, so we didn't look too hard)"

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,16:06   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 23 2007,11:14)
   
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 23 2007,11:55)
...

BOOBIES!  BOOBIES!  BOOBIES !


Bah, humbug!
Not exactly the image that springs into my mind when I see the word "boobies".

Such a dissapointment.

Yeah, they're supposed to be blue-footed!

You silly men.  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,16:18   

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No activity of any kind on the ISCID site, except some guy named LifeEngineer babbling away to himself on the discussion board


Aka Warren Bergerson, apparently a retired actuary, who also spouts nonsense on ARN so obtuse even most other IDers are too embarrassed to respond. Scott Page is none too impressed with him either.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,16:39   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 23 2007,14:07)
And as far as public humilation goes, you can see ID's very public humilation every day by visiting:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/
http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe/

Actually, I think the new anti-troll measures taken over at OE have had the desired result.

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Recent comments

I've never had a problem
2 days 2 hours ago

An Article on Wikipedia
2 days 5 hours ago

How do we refute this?
3 days 1 hour ago

Just saying that something
3 days 3 hours ago

No more trolls, thanks
3 days 6 hours ago

DNA by Design
3 days 17 hours ago

but how it got here is why we're here
3 days 17 hours ago

I'd like to know some
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Biologic
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Homeschool? Avoid activist judge's
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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,17:30   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 23 2007,16:18)
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No activity of any kind on the ISCID site, except some guy named LifeEngineer babbling away to himself on the discussion board


Aka Warren Bergerson, apparently a retired actuary, who also spouts nonsense on ARN so obtuse even most other IDers are too embarrassed to respond. Scott Page is none too impressed with him either.

The guy is pretty daft. He was babbling about how ID suffers mostly from a powerful legal/political lobby of evolutionists who keep the revolutionary new science hidden away from students. He was babbling this on the website of an ID 'scientific society' which once promised webchats, and cancelled them, and conferences, and cancelled them, and student workshops, and cancelled them, and has a quarterly journal which is entering it's sixth quarter without an issue, and email addresses nobody replies to, and a telephone I can't get anyone to pick up.

Guy lives in a ghost town, and mistakes it for a thriving metropolis. That's some kind of intellect, I tell you what.

In other news, UD just decided to talk about the conferences we mentioned earlier.
Seems the intelligent design 'conference' is being sponsored by SMU's Christian Legal Society. I know you all expected it was the biology department, and are now somewhat surprised.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,17:36   

I know SMU is not sponsoring the event, but they are in fact hosting it.   SMU's disclaimer about their openess to ideas strikes me as odd.  Where does one draw the line when it comes to openess to new ideas.  Would SMU host a Holocaust Deniers event?  Would then host an HIV Deniers conferance?  I doubt it.  Yet they are hosting a biology deniers convention.  It just strikes me as odd.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,17:56   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 23 2007,10:35)
1.  Dr. Peter Venkman has been doing research in the area that Denyse is focused in on.

Back off, man -- he's a scientist. . . . .

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,18:05   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 23 2007,16:30)
Seems the intelligent design 'conference' is being sponsored by SMU's Christian Legal Society. I know you all expected it was the biology department, and are now somewhat surprised.

I, for one, am utterly shocked.  "Christian Legal Society"???   Weren't the IDers telling us for YEARS that ID doesn't have anything to do with Christianity or religion, no sirree bob . . . . . ?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2007,05:30   

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He was babbling this on the website of an ID 'scientific society' which once promised webchats, and cancelled them, and conferences, and cancelled them, and student workshops, and cancelled them, and has a quarterly journal which is entering it's sixth quarter without an issue, and email addresses nobody replies to, and a telephone I can't get anyone to pick up.


ISCID's "day-to-day" operations are handled by Micah Sparacio who, judging from this photo:  does it from his parent's basement.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2007,06:50   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 23 2007,12:31)
I leave ISCID looking for fresh meat. I go to the Discovery Institute and their list of recent fellows' publications:

   
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 [...]
Intelligent Design in Biology: the Current Situation and Future Prospects
By: Phillip E. Johnson
Think (The Royal Institute of Philosophy)
February 19, 2007
[...]

That list is not  necessarily recent publications, but recently posted to their site. The Johnson article appeared in the Autumn 2005 issue of Think some 18 months ago.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2007,07:14   

Quote (2ndclass @ Mar. 23 2007,12:52)
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Miller has a talk that he gives on campuses throughout the U.S. titled “The Collapse of Intelligent Design.” Let me suggest that if there is any collapsing going on, it is in Miller’s psyche and in his increasing inability to prosecute a reasoned argument when it comes to ID.

Dr. Dembski, you can suggest it all you want.  May I suggest that you suggest it in a forum that actually has any import, such as a deposition, a witness stand, or a tech journal?

Funny you should mention that...

Dembski in 2000:

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My most obnoxious critics have been Internet stalkers (e.g., Wesley Elsberry and Richard Wein), who seem to monitor my every move and as a service to the Internet community make sure that every aspect of my work receives their bad housekeeping seal of disapproval. As a rule I don’t respond to them over the Internet since it seems to me that the Internet is an unreliable forum for settling technical issues in statistics and the philosophy of science. Consequently, I have now responded to critics in the following three forums: Philosophy of Science  (under submission), Christian Scholar’s Review (accepted for publication), and Books & Culture (accepted for publication).


Wilkins and I responded in Biology and Philosophy in 2001. Nothing from Dembski in that venue...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2007,11:11   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 24 2007,06:14)
           
Wilkins and I responded in Biology and Philosophy in 2001. Nothing from Dembski in that venue...

Excellent article — and quite entertaining.

Wilkins & Elsberry        
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What the filter lacks that real-world design inferences already have is a "Don't know" decision.
       
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The problem with a simple conclusion that something is designed, is its lack of informativeness.

An insightful discussion of these statements leads into critical aspects of the philosophy of science and why "Intelligent Design" is inherently vacuous.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2007,18:42   

Best Dembski Post Ever!  
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William Dembski
03/24/2007
5:07 pm
motthew: I was well aware of the context. But if I make the context clear, PvM and his fellows will find something else to attack. Better to give them what appears a minor slip-up, let them attack that, and then show how they’re acting in bad faith because they have ignored the gist.

Believe it or not, it really helps that the other side thinks we’re such morons.


Then the Reply is priceless:  
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OilBoy
03/24/2007
6:30 pm
To Bill:
“it really helps that the other side thinks we’re such morons.”

Eh? Are you serious ?


Yeah, I ment to make that minor slip up, because it was all part of my grandmaster, dragon-scholar plan. I'm always two or three steps ahead of those clowns like PvM. Ha, fooled him again!

  
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