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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,05:04   

Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,04:28)
k e, no, I'm saying nothing can be seen without light.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That's 'God' with a capital G.

Zero

no, it didn't.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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hereoisreal



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,05:37   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 12 2007,05:04)
Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,04:28)
k e, no, I'm saying nothing can be seen without light.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That's 'God' with a capital G.

Zero

no, it didn't.

No, what didn't what?

Zero

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,05:39   

Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,05:37)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 12 2007,05:04)
Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,04:28)
k e, no, I'm saying nothing can be seen without light.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That's 'God' with a capital G.

Zero

no, it didn't.

No, what didn't what?

Zero

"And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

No, it didn't.

You might think it did, but that cuts no ice with me.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,05:59   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 12 2007,13:39)
Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,05:37)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 12 2007,05:04)
 
Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,04:28)
k e, no, I'm saying nothing can be seen without light.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That's 'God' with a capital G.

Zero

no, it didn't.

No, what didn't what?

Zero

"And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

No, it didn't.

You might think it did, but that cuts no ice with me.

Yeah HIR while you now have our undivided tard-tention
You can clear up a few things for me.

1. Those womanly waters g-boy saw his face in....who created those? There is nothing in Genesis saying who created them.

Is that anything to do with the gender of the writers of Genesis? That they were all male and water is feminine?
You can bet if females wrote Genesis, water and the moon would have been created before anything else. Men would have been created to look after goats. All the prior mythologies were from goddess based agrarian cultures, those creation myths involve birth of a different nature. It was only when the semetic cattle herding warrior cults of the levant introduced a suitable god that supported polygamy,rape and pillage as a way of life that we are blessed with its end product the Bible.

2.
How could the writers make the simple mistake that god did everything in the dark? Or was the dark a semiotic reference to before dawn and therefore the void was a claustrophobic nightmare, an existential dilemma.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,09:11   

Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,04:28)
k e, no, I'm saying nothing can be seen without light.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That's 'God' with a capital G.

I was thinking more along the lines of 'gOd' with a capital "O".

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,10:16   

HAR HAR, CAPITAL NULL

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,10:50   

Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,00:46)
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 11 2007,19:49)
I'm equally unsure what the hell that was about.

How light reaches you and me is much more
complex than how the super bowl reaches our
living rooms.  It might have been designed.

Zero

Yes. It also might have been created when some pirates stole gods treasure and needed some way of examining it.

Or when an elephant fell onto the eternal light switch or....

Absolutely anything is possible zero, without evidence, why is your concept better than my one? At least mine has pirates.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,10:54   

Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 12 2007,10:50)
Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,00:46)
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 11 2007,19:49)
I'm equally unsure what the hell that was about.

How light reaches you and me is much more
complex than how the super bowl reaches our
living rooms.  It might have been designed.

Zero

Yes. It also might have been created when some pirates stole gods treasure and needed some way of examining it.

Or when an elephant fell onto the eternal light switch or....

Absolutely anything is possible zero, without evidence, why is your concept better than my one? At least mine has pirates.

Mine has ponies.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,11:06   

Is this worth a new thread?  I mean, I'm really just trying to find out HOW OLD THE F*#@ING EARTH IS!!!

SOMEONE,  ANYONE (VMartin) JUST TELL ME!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,11:53   

Quote (blipey @ Sep. 12 2007,11:06)
Is this worth a new thread?  I mean, I'm really just trying to find out HOW OLD THE F*#@ING EARTH IS!!!

SOMEONE,  ANYONE (VMartin) JUST TELL ME!

Oh, if thats all you need, FTK has the answer... anywhere between 6,000 and 6 billion years old.  

HTH :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,11:57   

Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 11 2007,21:17)
The following is story # 123 on my web site
at hereoisreal.com

SUPER BOWL
         One morning about five or six years ago, on a Superbowl Sunday, I had to go to the bathroom.  I had this terrible, terrible diarrhea - one of the worst that I had ever had - and I was thinking to myself, "Wow, this is a Super Bowl Sunday - I'll remember this one!"  I had in mind a huge toilet bowl.  I walked out of the bathroom and out into the yard to pick up the Sunday paper.  When I opened it up there was just one big picture on the front of the paper - a huge toilet bowl.

Zero

Your story clearly this idicates that your god thinks you are a stupid piece of shit that should be flushed away immediately.

HTH, and Have a Nice day.

And so as it is written, so shall it be.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,13:07   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 12 2007,14:54)
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 12 2007,10:50)
 
Quote (hereoisreal @ Sep. 12 2007,00:46)
 
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 11 2007,19:49)
I'm equally unsure what the hell that was about.

How light reaches you and me is much more
complex than how the super bowl reaches our
living rooms.  It might have been designed.

Zero

Yes. It also might have been created when some pirates stole gods treasure and needed some way of examining it.

Or when an elephant fell onto the eternal light switch or....

Absolutely anything is possible zero, without evidence, why is your concept better than my one? At least mine has pirates.

Mine has ponies.

Pirates RULE.



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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,13:47   

Bite me. Ponies rock. :angry:



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,15:04   

Quote (blipey @ Sep. 12 2007,10:06)
Is this worth a new thread?  I mean, I'm really just trying to find out HOW OLD THE F*#@ING EARTH IS!!!

SOMEONE,  ANYONE (VMartin) JUST TELL ME!

I think we need the radioactive half-life of VMartin's nonanswer...that would give us a clue. :p

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Steviepinhead



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,15:12   

I don't think the half-life of Retardium has been reliably measured yet.

Maybe Vroomie could be enticed to volunteer a sample?

  
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,15:51   

Quote (Steviepinhead @ Sep. 12 2007,15:12)
I don't think the half-life of Retardium has been reliably measured yet.

Maybe Vroomie could be enticed to volunteer a sample?

Well, it's got to be less than 3,000 years, right?

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VMartin



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,00:07   

There was a selectionist here who pursued me here and at Pharyngula. The  selectionist claimed that I am Davison. The poor selectionist made his weird conclusion analyzing of dating my and John posts at Brainstorm.

No wonder that studying of dating of evolutionary processes the poor selectionist came to the conclusion that there must have been a common descent.

Wasn't he Steviepinhead?

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IanBrown_101



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,07:42   

Quote (VMartin @ Sep. 13 2007,04:07)
There was a selectionist here who pursued me here and at Pharyngula. The  selectionist claimed that I am Davison. The poor selectionist made his weird conclusion analyzing of dating my and John posts at Brainstorm.

No wonder that studying of dating of evolutionary processes the poor selectionist came to the conclusion that there must have been a common descent.

Wasn't he Steviepinhead?

Be fair, you do pretty much repeat what JAD says without adding anything of your own.

I mean, you're willing to tell us what JAD says about things, but when asked yourself you turn into a coward and just run away and shout insults. It's pathetic really.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,08:33   


Ah, that takes me back. Captain Pugwash and his innocent adventures with seaman Staines and Master Bates...

Happy days!

I must be suffering from false memory syndrome.

  
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,08:52   

Quote (VMartin @ Sep. 13 2007,00:07)
There was a selectionist here who pursued me here and at Pharyngula. The  selectionist claimed that I am Davison. The poor selectionist made his weird conclusion analyzing of dating my and John posts at Brainstorm.

No wonder that studying of dating of evolutionary processes the poor selectionist came to the conclusion that there must have been a common descent.

Wasn't he Steviepinhead?

HOW OLD IS THE BLEEPING, GOD#%&*@!, F(@#^$* EARTH,YOU RETARD?

(Considerately all in caps because of your obvious blindness)

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,09:24   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Sep. 13 2007,16:33)

Ah, that takes me back. Captain Pugwash and his innocent adventures with seaman Staines and Master Bates...

Happy days!

I must be suffering from false memory syndrome.

Cripes that stuff was camp. Almost as bad as Round the Horne which amongst others featured the old English folk singer Rambling Syd Rumpo.

Edit: Just checked link to urban myth on Pugwash.... false memory indeed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,10:27   

Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 13 2007,07:42)
Be fair, you do pretty much repeat what JAD says without adding anything of your own.

I mean, you're willing to tell us what JAD says about things, but when asked yourself you turn into a coward and just run away and shout insults. It's pathetic really.

C'mon V.

How old is the earth?

If Ian's correct (and he's got plenty of evidence), then you're just posting for a banned commenter which is in itself a bannable offense.

I would encourage you to say something original.  For instance, you might tell us how old you believe the earth to be, and do it without simply quoting or paraphrasing DAJ.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,11:45   

Quote (VMartin @ Sep. 12 2007,23:07)
There was a selectionist here who pursued me here and at Pharyngula. The  selectionist claimed that I am Davison. The poor selectionist made his weird conclusion analyzing of dating my and John posts at Brainstorm.

No wonder that studying of dating of evolutionary processes the poor selectionist came to the conclusion that there must have been a common descent.

Wasn't he Steviepinhead?

That was how long ago? Almost a year? Let that = x.

x + y = z (age of the earth)

Plug in x and z and solve for y, VMartini. Or be a weenie.

I think the sun will go supernova before you answer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,12:03   

Hey, Martin, now that you're back, are you ready to answer those two simple questions? I'm sure you are!

a) how old do you think the Earth is?
b) do you believe common descent between apes and humans is true?

No Davison quotes, please.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,12:20   

I thought that the age of the Earth is 5,4 billion years. But somebody corrected me it is only 4,5 billion years.

Anyway if you have some kind of darwininian credo about the age of the Earth and about about Natural selection , let me know. I see it is very important for you to know how old exactly the Earth is.

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HOW OLD IS THE BLEEPING, GOD#%&*@!, F(@#^$* EARTH,YOU RETARD?



The mental got seizure.
It is recommended  to avoid reading books like "Selfish gene" and "Extended phenotype". Hot tea, walk in counryside without darwinian friends. Avoid thinking to "Natural selection" seeing various colors of insects.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,13:18   

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I thought that the age of the Earth is 5,4 billion years. But somebody corrected me it is only 4,5 billion years.


Well, why didn't you just say so in the first place. I suspect people were badgering you because the major opponents to evolution are Young Earth creationists who claim the Earth is 6.000 years old (sometimes 10,000). This eliminates you from that group.

I just wonder if your objection to TOE is religious. I did hear that there has been a revival of "fundamentalist" Catholicism in the wake of the emergence of Eastern Europe from the dominance of the former USSR. Your abhorrence of communism seems to tally here.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,14:39   

Spectacular!

Let it be known throughout the world that VMartin thinks the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,15:16   

Vmareenie, you poor wiitle thing.

Have you been "pursued" by the bad old "selectionists" (which side of the Civil War were they on, anyway?)?

Gosh, and here I don't even recall getting up out of my chair (well, except for potty breaks).

To feel "pursued" by such as me, you must not be very swift.

Ah, but then, we knew that already.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,15:51   

Quote (VMartin @ Sep. 13 2007,11:20)
I thought that the age of the Earth is 5,4 billion years. But somebody corrected me it is only 4,5 billion years.

Anyway if you have some kind of darwininian credo about the age of the Earth and about about Natural selection , let me know. I see it is very important for you to know how old exactly the Earth is.
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HOW OLD IS THE BLEEPING, GOD#%&*@!, F(@#^$* EARTH,YOU RETARD?

The mental got seizure.
It is recommended  to avoid reading books like "Selfish gene" and "Extended phenotype". Hot tea, walk in counryside without darwinian friends. Avoid thinking to "Natural selection" seeing various colors of insects.

Just wondering - how has cavorting with your Darwinian “friends” here and at LIMPSID or whatever it’s called, and playing Look-I-have-ID (pun!;) to Pharyngula’s keg party, and banging on my door as you did previously (only to tell me you would “run away at every chance” even though I ultimately had to kick you off my blog) not affected you at all? Hm? Do you sip tea with any nonDarwinian companions? I mean, do you have any friends? Or are you like those right-wing fundy “anti-porn” activists who watch a lot of porn “but it’s okay because we watch it in twos—NEVER ALONE!” Just wondering. ;)

Also—may I rework your surrealist remarks into song lyrics to be set to music? “The mental got seizure” is priceless! (Kind of like “Baby got back.”) :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,16:04   

Quote (VMartin @ Sep. 13 2007,12:20)
I thought that the age of the Earth is 5,4 billion years. But somebody corrected me it is only 4,5 billion years.

Anyway if you have some kind of darwininian credo about the age of the Earth and about about Natural selection , let me know. I see it is very important for you to know how old exactly the Earth is.

 
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HOW OLD IS THE BLEEPING, GOD#%&*@!, F(@#^$* EARTH,YOU RETARD?



The mental got seizure.
It is recommended  to avoid reading books like "Selfish gene" and "Extended phenotype". Hot tea, walk in counryside without darwinian friends. Avoid thinking to "Natural selection" seeing various colors of insects.

Splendid, Martin. Now we're getting somewhere. And it only took 2 months to get you to say that!

BUT: We're only halfway there. You ignored the other question.

*ahem*

Martin:

Do you believe that the idea of common descent between man and primates is true?

Not what Davison thinks, not some irrelevant insult about 'Darwininian phantasys', what YOU think.

Go.

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