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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,18:00   

I have an idea. Let's let FTK, Larry Fafarman, and VMartin battle to the death on their own thread here. Whichever one comes out alive in a month wins, and gets to moderate their own thread here.

I've noticed for years now that the crackpots never talk to each other on these blogs, and that's just not right.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,18:17   

well, the first problem is that people who share similar mental disabilities typically end up enabling each other's delusions.

neither wins when two schizophrenics debate each other.

second problem is...

how on earth do you tell who "won"?

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,19:01   

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 11 2007,18:17)
well, the first problem is that people who share similar mental disabilities typically end up enabling each other's delusions.

neither wins when two schizophrenics debate each other.

That's not my problem. ;)

 
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second problem is...

how on earth do you tell who "won"?


I envision a sort of Godzilla-meets-Rodan-meets-Mothra type scenario, where the three of them flame and blast each other for a month. There's no way all three of them can survive that indefinitely, so whoever's left standing last 'wins'.

Maybe to help things along, we can include Davison instead of VMartin. With his egomania and insistence that Goddidit-then-died, there's no way they'd befriend each other.



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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,19:02   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 11 2007,19:00)
I've noticed for years now that the crackpots never talk to each other on these blogs, and that's just not right.

I wonder why that is.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,19:04   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 11 2007,20:01)
Maybe to help things along, we can include Davison instead of VMartin.

Davison has been very banned. I am not privy to exactly why, and haven't asked, but I would guess the answer is something like "relentless insanity".

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,19:12   

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Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 11 2007,19:00)
I've noticed for years now that the crackpots never talk to each other on these blogs, and that's just not right.

I wonder why that is.

It's a sociologically very interesting question. I think it's because even the crackpots can tell that the other crackpots are crackpots, and thus they don't want to be associated with them. Crackpots are looking for acceptance, not solidarity with other 'pirahnas'.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,19:53   

wait...

isn't UD a complete counter to that?  isn't it a place where loonies converse with each other, endlessly reinforcing their own lunacy?

I'm wondering why we need a new thread for that, when we can readily observe it on a daily basis?

am I missing something?

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,22:42   

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Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 11 2007,20:01)
Maybe to help things along, we can include Davison instead of VMartin.

Davison has been very banned. I am not privy to exactly why, and haven't asked, but I would guess the answer is something like "relentless insanity".

Uh-huh!
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Kristine

You are a cheap little mindless uninformed, uneducated nothing who hangs out with others of your own ilk over at After The Bar Closes, Elsberry's Alamo and the last bastion of Darwinian mysticism except for Pharyngula, where another, Pharyngula Z. (constantly ejaculating) Myers, like yourself a congenital worshipper of the biggest charlatan in the history of science...
...and blah, blah, blah. At least I'm not a mediocre nothing. ;)

"Insanity" - check  :p But next time, watch him snuggle smarmily up to me like nothing happened. Because I think he truly forgets.

Senility - check. That's why I put up with more insults than DaveScot launched at me (well, that and plus I don't want him proudly crowing "Kristine banned me!"). What a loony-tune!  :O He's unique.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,22:58   

More like "complete inability to stay on topic". Mind you, digression is pretty standard fare, but people posting here more or less do touch base with the topic at hand from time to time.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,23:09   

I always found him to be rather disturbing, actually.

to see someone degrade mentally from where he was publishing papers in Science, to his current state, is simply hard to watch.

frankly, and I doubt I am alone in this, I would rather not be reminded of it by his daily postings.

there is plenty enough of his current material out there for any person who still IS sane to readily be able to make the conclusion without another invitation for him to do it all over again here.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,23:12   

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Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 11 2007,20:01)
Maybe to help things along, we can include Davison instead of VMartin.

Davison has been very banned. I am not privy to exactly why, and haven't asked, but I would guess the answer is something like "relentless insanity".

Uh-huh!  
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Kristine

You are a cheap little mindless uninformed, uneducated nothing who hangs out with others of your own ilk over at After The Bar Closes, Elsberry's Alamo and the last bastion of Darwinian mysticism except for Pharyngula, where another, Pharyngula Z. (constantly ejaculating) Myers, like yourself a congenital worshipper of the biggest charlatan in the history of science...
...and blah, blah, blah. At least I'm not a mediocre nothing. ;)

"Insanity" - check  :p But next time, watch him snuggle smarmily up to me like nothing happened. Because I think he truly forgets.

Senility - check. That's why I put up with more insults than DaveScot launched at me (well, that and plus I don't want him proudly crowing "Kristine banned me!"). What a loony-tune!  :O He's unique.

Wow, Kristine's a regular Mahatma Gandhi!

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You are a frightened, verbally abusive, lonely man with a brilliant mind that you are not using right now, and I refuse to be angry with you. You are no gentleman but I forgive you.

Whatever you are going through, and however you behave, just keep in mind that whenever you really need to talk, or if you are in trouble, I am here.

You are getting old, and this fight that you are waging is not worth your life, your precious life, nor your time, nor your energy. Someday you are going to need a real human being to talk to, so remember that I am here.

I refuse to engage in these fights any longer. I have nothing, really, against you.


Turn that other cheek, girl!!!

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,23:41   

Yeah, he'd better leave me something in his will after that one. :)

Crazy old dude. I'm surprised he remembers his own name.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,02:18   

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I have an idea. Let's let FTK, Larry Fafarman, and VMartin battle to the death on their own thread here. Whichever one comes out alive in a month wins, and gets to moderate their own thread here.

I've noticed for years now that the crackpots never talk to each other on these blogs, and that's just not right.


Well, Larry has been posting on my blog recently (achieving some level of coherence) and AtBC cropped up, and he claimed never to have posted here, (I guess there may be one or two referred posts on the bathroom wall) and said he was not interested as you guys wind him up.

I could try a thread for Larry, Martin, Ftk, JAD and DaveScot if he's interested.  JAD has been tearing into Dave over his global warming threads recently.

Well, one can dream...

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,03:07   

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and said he was not interested as you guys wind him up.


read as:

call him on his BS continually.

Kevin Vicklund had the patience of a saint in that regard.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,03:33   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 12 2007,05:58)
More like "complete inability to stay on topic". Mind you, digression is pretty standard fare, but people posting here more or less do touch base with the topic at hand from time to time.

During the war I met a wonderful chap by the name of Lola Bigguns. Marvellous bloke, post operative transsexual. Went on to be something massive in aeronautical engineering. anyway the reason I mention this is because I saw a plane yesterday whilst barbecuing some steaks. Lovely stakes they were they were Kobi beef from a Wagyu herd that roams around on the grass ina meadow near my house. Funny thing grass. Can't walk on it, illegal to smoke it. Speaking of smoking, England goes smoke free on 1st of July, which when you think about it is close to the 4th of July.

Happy Independence Day America!

Louis

P.S. As a piece of off topic drivel, I'm quite proud of that.

P.P.S. I reckon JAD and Larry should be excluded from any tard fest on medical grounds. Tard is only funny when it comes from people who should know better. When they are deeply in need of help it becomes a little unpleasant to watch. I go with a 3 way fight between Clouser, AFDave and DaveScot.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,04:07   

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You are a cheap little mindless uninformed, uneducated nothing who hangs out with others of your own ilk over at After The Bar Closes, Elsberry's Alamo and the last bastion of Darwinian mysticism except for Pharyngula, where another, Pharyngula Z. (constantly ejaculating) Myers, like yourself a congenital worshipper of the biggest charlatan in the history of science...

Elsberry's Alamo! LOL. He can be kind of funny in his insults. I still get a kick out of him calling Davescot a "homozygous pile of garbage."

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,07:23   

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 11 2007,23:09)
I always found him to be rather disturbing, actually.

to see someone degrade mentally from where he was publishing papers in Science, to his current state, is simply hard to watch.

frankly, and I doubt I am alone in this, I would rather not be reminded of it by his daily postings.

You of course mean his twice a minute posting.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,09:49   

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Elsberry's Alamo! LOL. He can be kind of funny in his insults. I still get a kick out of him calling Davescot a "homozygous pile of garbage."
Gotta admit that this had me in stitches for weeks:  
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Why don't you join up with the other two multisexual femme fatales to complete the female triumvirate of evolution experts. Then you might found a colony on the island of Lesbos where you can spend the rest of your useless lives admiring one another with GAY abandon.

No snarky ones since my Kum-ba-ya answer. Half of me is relieved; half of me is disappointed. :)

Well, what him be ALL cuddly and friendly-like to me next time. Ick. Now that is disturbing.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,12:59   

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Davison has been very banned. I am not privy to exactly why, and haven't asked, but I would guess the answer is something like "relentless insanity".


And I guess the problem is John Davison's concept of prescribed evolution you are so afraid of. An idea of directed evolution is something darwinists hate at most. They somehow feel deep inside that mystery of life can't be an outcome of random mutation&natural selection. To supress their conscience they only  bawl as if at a football match. Yet darwinists have no arguments - see this thread  or One blog a day where John is participating.

It is also weird that folks here mentioned insanity. It looks here like in a cage of fools. Many of darwinists are probably ventilating here their atheistic frustration from their senseless life.

Also the literary surrealistic woman dividing her time between oriental dancing and neodarwinism is a curious case.

So I would reccomend that John Davison should be let in, becasue his opinions are sound and his concept of evolution shed light on evolutionary process.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,13:04   

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Davison has been very banned. I am not privy to exactly why, and haven't asked, but I would guess the answer is something like "relentless insanity".


And I guess the problem is John Davison's concept of prescribed evolution you are so afraid of. An idea of directed evolution is something darwinists hate at most. They somehow feel deep inside that mystery of life can't be an outcome of random mutation&natural selection. To supress their conscience they only  bawl as if at a football match. Yet darwinists have no arguments - see this thread  or One blog a day where John is participating.

It is also weird that folks here mentioned insanity. It looks here like in a cage of fools. Many of darwinists are probably ventilating here their atheistic frustration from their senseless life.

Also the literary surrealistic woman dividing her time between oriental dancing and neodarwinism is a curious case.

So I would reccomend that John Davison should be let in, becasue his opinions are sound and his concept of evolution shed light on evolutionary process.

Thank you for explaining what I feel deep inside.  I had no idea I felt that.

Now run along, and come back when you've found a way to falsify "directed evolution".

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,13:07   

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Davison has been very banned. I am not privy to exactly why, and haven't asked, but I would guess the answer is something like "relentless insanity".


And I guess the problem is John Davison's concept of prescribed evolution you are so afraid of. An idea of directed evolution is something darwinists hate at most. They somehow feel deep inside that mystery of life can't be an outcome of random mutation&natural selection. To supress their conscience they only  bawl as if at a football match. Yet darwinists have no arguments - see this thread  or One blog a day where John is participating.

It is also weird that folks here mentioned insanity. It looks here like in a cage of fools. Many of darwinists are probably ventilating here their atheistic frustration from their senseless life.

Also the literary surrealistic woman dividing her time between oriental dancing and neodarwinism is a curious case.

So I would reccomend that John Davison should be let in, becasue his opinions are sound and his concept of evolution shed light on evolutionary process.

Oh, run along and play child.

I say child because of how simplistic and, I have to say, silly, your arguments are.

Another thing dawns on me, WHAT exactly is wrong with being an atheist?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,13:58   

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So I would reccomend that John Davison should be let in, becasue his opinions are sound and his concept of evolution shed light on evolutionary process.


Not gonna happen, not so long as there is no sign that Davison has not fundamentally changed his approach to discussion. He was given loads of chances to shape up, and demonstrated vividly that he was a detriment to discussion. So any notion that he should be reinstated would be an extraordinary claim requiring, wouldn't you know, extraordinary evidence. And since that was a moderation decision, further discussion of it here can be considered excessively annoying immediately. If you think you have the extraordinary evidence in hand, communicate that via PM or email, not in discussion threads.

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VMartin



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,15:41   

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And since that was a moderation decision, further discussion of it here can be considered excessively annoying immediately. If you think you have the extraordinary evidence in hand, communicate that via PM or email, not in discussion threads.


This is really very interesting. The name and topic of this thread is as far as I see  

Topic: JAD was banned again from UD..., Can we let him post here again?


So what is this topic about?  Does "Can we let him post here again" mean in neodarwinian newspeak that any darwinists here can denigrate John Davison whenever he likes but adressing the topic itself is somehow excessively annoying ? And must be adressed via PM or email, not in this discussion thread ?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,15:52   

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And since that was a moderation decision, further discussion of it here can be considered excessively annoying immediately. If you think you have the extraordinary evidence in hand, communicate that via PM or email, not in discussion threads.


This is really very interesting. The name and topic of this thread is as far as I see  

Topic: JAD was banned again from UD..., Can we let him post here again?


So what is this topic about?  Does "Can we let him post here again" mean in neodarwinian newspeak that any darwinists here can denigrate John Davison whenever he likes but adressing the topic itself is somehow excessively annoying ? And must be adressed via PM or email, not in this discussion thread ?

The thread is old, and the decision was made a good while ago. A few people have ventured that he should be allowed back since then, but the moderators banned him for a reason, and he's not coming back.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,15:53   

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So what is this topic about?


the only interesting question you have EVER asked, on any forum.

unfortunately, nobody cares about the answer.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,17:11   

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Also the literary surrealistic woman dividing her time between oriental dancing and neodarwinism is a curious case.


:p  And why is that, my Nabokov-misquoting nibbler of nonsensical 'Net threads?

I have now become your JAD's amateur psychotherapist, in between work, play, and shakin' the blues (Nabokov's blues) away! Versatile, I am.

It's better than being a broken record skipping incessantly in a deserted room, like some people that I could mention. ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,17:24   

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Davison has been very banned. I am not privy to exactly why, and haven't asked, but I would guess the answer is something like "relentless insanity".


And I guess the problem is John Davison's concept of prescribed evolution you are so afraid of. An idea of directed evolution is something darwinists hate at most. They somehow feel deep inside that mystery of life can't be an outcome of random mutation&natural selection. To supress their conscience they only  bawl as if at a football match. Yet darwinists have no arguments - see this thread  or One blog a day where John is participating.

It is also weird that folks here mentioned insanity. It looks here like in a cage of fools. Many of darwinists are probably ventilating here their atheistic frustration from their senseless life.

Also the literary surrealistic woman dividing her time between oriental dancing and neodarwinism is a curious case.

So I would reccomend that John Davison should be let in, becasue his opinions are sound and his concept of evolution shed light on evolutionary process.

Out of curiosity, VMartin, do you agree with John's belief that God is now dead?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2007,17:27   

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So what is this topic about?  Does "Can we let him post here again" mean in neodarwinian newspeak that any darwinists here can denigrate John Davison whenever he likes but adressing the topic itself is somehow excessively annoying ? And must be adressed via PM or email, not in this discussion thread ?


That's a point.

The position I'm taking is that Davison lost his posting privileges despite being given way too many extra chances to show that he could be a positive influence on discussion. He was treated specially, and extended posting privileges on PT far longer than someone without his credentials would have been tolerated. All that means that Davison doesn't get to post here, not himself and not by proxy. If anyone wants to discuss that topic anymore, do it via private channels.

Topic closed.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on June 12 2007,17:28

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