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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2009,20:20   

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We settle into that familiar, old-timey UD rhythm:

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Barry Arrington
04/25/2009
7:53 pm

Nakashima is no longer with us.

I wonder what pushed Barry over the edge. †Was it this...?

That was my guess, keiths. See my edited post above yours.

I still have trouble superimposing this pompous, red-faced control freak upon the pleasant, chatty voice we heard in the broadcast in which you participated.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2009,20:35   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 25 2009,21:20)
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Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 25 2009,18:06)
We settle into that familiar, old-timey UD rhythm:

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Barry Arrington
04/25/2009
7:53 pm

Nakashima is no longer with us.

I wonder what pushed Barry over the edge. †Was it this...?

That was my guess, keiths. See my edited post above yours.

I still have trouble superimposing this pompous, red-faced control freak upon the pleasant, chatty voice we heard in the broadcast in which you participated.

Actually, I'll vote for the off-topic comment in which Nakashima congratulated Rybczynski on her new fossil seal.

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2009,21:28   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 25 2009,18:20)
 
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Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 25 2009,18:06)
We settle into that familiar, old-timey UD rhythm:

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Barry Arrington
04/25/2009
7:53 pm

Nakashima is no longer with us.

I wonder what pushed Barry over the edge. †Was it this...?

That was my guess, keiths. See my edited post above yours.

I still have trouble superimposing this pompous, red-faced control freak upon the pleasant, chatty voice we heard in the broadcast in which you participated.

Yes, it's really hard to reconcile the two Barrys. †Maybe there's something about the Intertubes that brings out the worst in him, or perhaps he dons his "public face" on the radio, but not, for some reason, at UD.

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2009,22:03   

Quote (keiths @ April 25 2009,22:28)
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We settle into that familiar, old-timey UD rhythm:

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Barry Arrington
04/25/2009
7:53 pm

Nakashima is no longer with us.

I wonder what pushed Barry over the edge. †Was it this...?

That was my guess, keiths. See my edited post above yours.

I still have trouble superimposing this pompous, red-faced control freak upon the pleasant, chatty voice we heard in the broadcast in which you participated.

Yes, it's really hard to reconcile the two Barrys. †Maybe there's something about the Intertubes that brings out the worst in him, or perhaps he dons his "public face" on the radio, but not, for some reason, at UD.

I'm hoping Barry will respond with an explanation of the bannination. If the reason was a post accusing him of having a sense of humor - now that would be funny!

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2009,09:22   

Nakashima-san is back in the game:
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Barry Arrington
04/26/2009
9:02 am

I will bow to vox populi from both sides in regard to Nakashima. Nakashima you are un-banned, but be careful to keep your comments on the non-personal level. You will be watched closely.


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2009,19:04   

The revolving door spins ever faster:

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Barry Arrington
04/26/2009
12:19 pm

Trib 7 re your [24]: Nakashima has been unbooted, and Mirrortothesun is no longer with us.

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2009,21:28   

That old-timey UD IS back! Witness the Hidden Obliviation of Mauka's comments from the Emergence Redux thread - even as some of the opening post is addressed to him. I do believe that amounts to ID poofery. But his shadow remains...:

...Mauka claims that ďindividuals with better brains tend to survive and reproduce better than those with addled brains,Ē...

...maukaís list of Ďadvantages and disadvantagesí is a joke. Even ignoring the butchering of the rationales and skewed presentation, it falls apart for one clear reason...

...Maukaís list is a mess from start to finish...

...you can go through each of maukaís questions and come up with radically different results....

Well, actually, you can't go on through each of his questions. They're gone. Way to prevail in discussion, Barry! Obliviate the participants! Particularly entertaining is reading Avonwatches @3 commenting upon Mauka's comment @4. My God, it's emergent!!

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2009,22:11   

'Harry Barrington' never even saw the light of day.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2009,23:03   

That's because Harry is a rude bastard. †I asked him yesterday where he got that great Heddle quote and he never replied.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2009,23:09   

Quote (keiths @ April 26 2009,23:03)
That's because Harry is a rude bastard. †I asked him yesterday where he got that great Heddle quote and he never replied.

Derial over, Homo.

:angry:

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2009,23:31   

Too funny.  It sounds like a South Park episode.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2009,03:59   

vjtorley responds to a ghost post:
 
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vjtorley
04/27/2009
12:35 am

mauka

I think your comments deserve special attention, and I would like to thank you for posting them again, on this thread.

<followed by 2,000 words in response to a post by mauka that is no longer there>


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2009,06:47   

To be, or not to be:

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Barry Arrington
04/26/2009
11:37 pm

Hamlet is no longer with us. After repeated warnings to stop beating Gil personally, he just could not seem to help himself.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2009,08:12   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 27 2009,06:47)
To be, or not to be:

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Barry Arrington
04/26/2009
11:37 pm

Hamlet is no longer with us. After repeated warnings to stop beating Gil personally, he just could not seem to help himself.

QUOTE]After repeated warnings to stop beating Gil personally, he just could not seem to help himself[/QUOTE]

Isn't this the same justification that Barry used when banning Jack Inhoffe?

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2009,08:33   

Silent Bannination?
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Diffaxial
04/27/2009
6:57 am
vjtorley wrote:

mauka

I think your comments deserve special attention, and I would like to thank you for posting them again, on this thread.

vjtorley,

They do deserve attention. Your sincere thanks to Mauka, and your detailed response, indicate that they have merit as a move in the current discourse.

However, apparently one of the moderators also thinks they are worthy of special attention and has chosen to delete them, along with several comments he posted on other threads. Mauka informs me that since then his new comments have not been appearing. In essence he has been silently banned. Surely you above all understand that genuine discourse is impossible when discussants on one side of an issue (and one side only) are sitting on trap doors that may open at any time at the whim of the other parties.

That arrangement disinclines me to engage your complex arguments much further. Writings posts at this level is hard work and it is dismaying to see them disappear unpredictably into the void due to irritable moderation that is ungoverned by consistently applied principles.

Mauka asked me to convey that he would like to respond to your arguments if and when his comments start appearing again, along with assurances from the moderators that they will not be arbitrarily purged.

link

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2009,13:45   

I think Joseph used to have a comment 192 on the Materialist poofery thread, which has evaporated. Just feces flinging, but a missed opportunity for Barry to show how 'even handed' he is.

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Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2009,15:14   

Barry just can't bring hisself to do the right thing:

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Barry Arrington
04/27/2009
2:09 pm

Joseph, you are on the edge of being booted. Knock it off.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2009,16:24   

Hazel comments on mauka's silent bannination:
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I think Iím going to stand with Diffaxial on this one. There is no reason, based on the stated moderation policy, for maukaís posts to have been deleted, and it is certainly unreasonable for that to happen without any acknowledgment or explanation.

So, and this may not make any difference to anyone, I think Iíll abstain from posting until this situation is cleared up, and until I feel comfortable that the stated moderation policy will be followed.

Barry, of course, has ignored this. †If anything, he's probably hoping that he'll be able to get rid of hazel at the same time as mauka, if he just sits tight and waits for things to blow over.

I hope someone 'reminds' him (and everyone else) that he hasn't explained mauka's bannination.

Allen MacNeill also lodges a protest:
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Not knowing (as usual) what maukaís comments were that were deleted (nor even if this has actually been the case) leaves everyone wondering if their comments will be arbitrarily deleted at the whim of this websiteís moderators.


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2009,20:34   

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Allen_MacNeill
04/28/2009
8:22 pm

Why is Dave Wisker in permanent moderation? As far as I can tell, his comments have always adhered to the rules of courtesy and argumentation supported by evidence outlined in the moderation rules. Indeed, his comments have often been more concise and to the point than mine, and are at least the intellectual equivalent of those posted by David Kellogg and Nakashima. Once again I am forced to ask, is there a double standard at work here, and if so, why?


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2009,21:43   

Hazel follows up:
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hazel
04/28/2009
8:30 pm

On a related note, Upright Biped writes,
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Perhaps the metaphysical materialists on this thread would venture to answer an inconsistency in their conclusions.

Perhaps if the person who was defending materialism hadnít had his posts inexplicably deleted you might still have a materialist to try to answer that question.

Back to waiting for consistent moderation Ö


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2009,21:50   

This is getting good. Sal responds to Allen, offering this pathetic rationalization of unfair moderation practices:
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scordova
04/28/2009
9:36 pm

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Once again I am forced to ask, is there a double standard at work here, and if so, why?


Allen,

Iím not involved in decisions as to who is placed in the moderation queue, but if I may offer a consideration in terms of pure numbers.

In order for UD to succeed as a weblog serving the ID community, some equalization of numbers of participants in the comment section should be in order.

The weblog could be shut down by swarming tactics, and such attempts have been made.

I think a 60/40 balance (60 pro-ID, 40 anti-ID) would keep UD alive. If that balance is destroyed, I think readership will fall off.

These informal discussions have their value, but I donít consider internet blogs necessarily the best venue for careful scholarly discussion.

So, I would not fault the moderators with double standards. The essentially serve as editors for the benefit of our readers.

As a matter of experience, ID proponents will lose the numbers game quite easily if there were not any filtering.

Many of our readers come here to hear the pro-ID position, and we have some obligation to deliver that.

Consider that I created a thread like the one regarding David Abelís paper. I was swarmed with almost 100-200 opposing postings, most of which were directed at me. Even if I felt competent to answer many of the biggest concerns, itís a fairly substantial workload.

For the record, Iíve not deleted any comments from this thread.

So I plead a litter forebearance in light of the fact that the ID proponents are probably outnumbered on the net. My personal expeirience puts the figure at about 20 to 1.


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2009,22:05   

In an attempt to soften up Allen, Sal edits the above comment, adding this at the end:
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Remember we are vastly outnumbered by qualified evolutionary biologists like yourself.


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KCdgw



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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2009,22:22   

Just for the record:

Barry Arrington:

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Dave Wisker re your [11]. Are you denying the thrust of Stuartís comment ó the evo pyscho purports to explain a behavior and its opposite with equal ease? Surely not; that proposition is so well established as to be almost a truism.


My reply (now in moderation 3 hours):

Dave Wisker:

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Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Barry,
Iím not an expert on evolutionary psychology, but I do know a few things:
1. I donít think Stuart will be able to find an evolutionary psychologist who believes that genes control all our behavior.
2. What you think is a truism is, in reality, a ridiculous misrepresentation of the discipline.


KC

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2009,19:30   

Clive attacks Allen MacNeill, and Diffaxial calls him on it:
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Diffaxial
04/30/2009
6:51 pm

Clive:
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I find your rhetoric to be at a rather junior high level. I think youíre a large repository of information, but a rather small shack of actual argument. Iím baffled that you teach at any college, to be honest. I hope you only present information to the students, and not arguments.

Here we have the moderator himself, charged to discourage personalized comments, himself directly wielding insults from within the secure confines of his moderation box.

Go figure.


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2009,08:48   

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Clive attacks Allen MacNeill, and Diffaxial calls him on it:
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Diffaxial
04/30/2009
6:51 pm

Clive:
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I find your rhetoric to be at a rather junior high level. I think youíre a large repository of information, but a rather small shack of actual argument. Iím baffled that you teach at any college, to be honest. I hope you only present information to the students, and not arguments.

Here we have the moderator himself, charged to discourage personalized comments, himself directly wielding insults from within the secure confines of his moderation box.

Go figure.

To be fair to Clive (did I just say that?), Allen was being pretty asinine at that point, and later apologized. I think Allen has veered several times recently just to the line or maybe a squeek over it. I'm surprised he hasn't been warned/threatened.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2009,15:57   

Quote (dvunkannon @ May 01 2009,06:48)
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Clive attacks Allen MacNeill, and Diffaxial calls him on it:
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Diffaxial
04/30/2009
6:51 pm

Clive:
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I find your rhetoric to be at a rather junior high level. I think youíre a large repository of information, but a rather small shack of actual argument. Iím baffled that you teach at any college, to be honest. I hope you only present information to the students, and not arguments.

Here we have the moderator himself, charged to discourage personalized comments, himself directly wielding insults from within the secure confines of his moderation box.

Go figure.

To be fair to Clive (did I just say that?), Allen was being pretty asinine at that point, and later apologized. I think Allen has veered several times recently just to the line or maybe a squeek over it. I'm surprised he hasn't been warned/threatened.

Allen was being sarcastic but not asinine, in my opinion.

Anyway, the point is not whether a reprimand was justified; it's that Clive, after delivering endless smarmy lectures on being "respectful", turns around and tells Allen that he is unfit to teach.

Clive is a hypocrite.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2009,16:01   

AKKK had a comment obliviate on the Dembski Marks 2009 thread. Nakashima has memorialized it.

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Nakashima

05/02/2009

2:28 pm
Mr AmerikanInKananasKis,

I agree your comment is gone. Most unfortunate.

If I recall, you commented on the section:

But the fact that things can be alive and functional in only certain ways and not in others indicates that nature sets her own targets. The targets of biology, we might say, are ďnatural kindsĒ (to borrow a term from philosophy). There are only so many ways that matter can be configured to be alive and, once alive, only so many ways it can be configured to serve different biological functions.

You simply stated a disagreement with this terminological borrowing. Can you be more expansive in your disagreement? Thank you.

The original was pithier.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2009,19:10   

This comment led me to a design inference:
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Allen_MacNeill
05/02/2009
3:39 pm

P.S. Has anyone else received a message that ďcomments are closedĒ on the thread discussing Dr. Dembskiís upcoming paper on ďLifeís Conservation LawĒ:

http://www.uncommondescent.com.....formation/

or is it just me?


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2009,20:46   

Quote (dvunkannon @ May 01 2009,09:48)
 
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Clive attacks Allen MacNeill, and Diffaxial calls him on it:
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Diffaxial
04/30/2009
6:51 pm

Clive:
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I find your rhetoric to be at a rather junior high level. I think youíre a large repository of information, but a rather small shack of actual argument. Iím baffled that you teach at any college, to be honest. I hope you only present information to the students, and not arguments.

Here we have the moderator himself, charged to discourage personalized comments, himself directly wielding insults from within the secure confines of his moderation box.

Go figure.

To be fair to Clive (did I just say that?), Allen was being pretty asinine at that point, and later apologized. I think Allen has veered several times recently just to the line or maybe a squeek over it. I'm surprised he hasn't been warned/threatened.

He was being a bit sarcastic, as I read it, but not personal. It is the latter that is addressed in their moderation "policy" (implemented by mood ring).

Clive's remarks were personal.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2009,01:01   

This post from Ludwig on "Why do Evolutionary Psychologists Exist?" appeared and then was deleted within the hour:
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Ludwig

05/03/2009

12:04 am
Thanks for your informed response, Allen. It appears that Denyseís characterization of Pascal Boyerís views is not supported by Religion Explained

Of course, itís possible that Denyse has some source from Boyer other than Religion Explained where he asserts that (1) there is some unitary ďagent detection deviceĒ that (2) ďdisproves Godís existence beyond any reasonable doubtĒ and (3) is ďcompletely unreliableĒ due to its hyperactivity.

Maybe itís available only to subscribers to Respectable Grandmothers Monthly.


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The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most well documented events of antiquity. Barry Arrington, Jan 17, 2012.

  
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