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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,12:44   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 15 2009,12:30)
I'm articulate hot air.

So, basically, you are the hyper-skeptical evo-mat version of Kairosfocus.

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It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. †We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,13:14   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 15 2009,13:44)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 15 2009,12:30)
I'm articulate hot air.

So, basically, you are the hyper-skeptical evo-mat version of Kairosfocus.

No way. I don't have his stamina.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,15:59   

The reversals don't get much stranger. Reciprocating_Bill is posting at UD. DaveScot is banned:
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Note to UD Contributors
Barry Arrington

The moderation policy does not apply to you; you are held to a higher standard. I expect your posts to have at least some tangential relationship to Darwinism, ID, or the metaphysical or moral implications of each. The purpose of this site is not to provide a place for you to jump up and rant on one of your pet peeves. †DaveScot will no longer be posting at UD.


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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:16   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 15 2009,11:57)
In our hallway at school, there was once (it had to be taken down for painting and has yet to be restored) an interesting graphical representation of the history of life on earth.

At the far end, a paper was taped to the end wall representing the formation of the earth. Doc then counted out the floor tiles (12" x 12") and divided up the hallway. Each tile turned out to represent about 300 million years. Along one side of the hallway were markers representing the first evidence of bacteria, eukaryotes, multi-cellular eukaryotes, animals, mammals, etc etc.

The appearance of modern humans about a thumbnail width from the edge of the last tile (worked out to be about 6' from the near end of the hall) really puts things in perspective. Standing at that line and gazing down the history of the earth like that pretty much elicits just whispered obscenities.

For future use in your classroom, you can get the same sort of response by having the students make a timeline like that on adding machine paper.  It's long, cheap, and a great visual aid.

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"Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:22   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 15 2009,10:59)
The reversals don't get much stranger. Reciprocating_Bill is posting at UD. DaveScot is banned:
 
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Note to UD Contributors
Barry Arrington

The moderation policy does not apply to you; you are held to a higher standard. I expect your posts to have at least some tangential relationship to Darwinism, ID, or the metaphysical or moral implications of each. The purpose of this site is not to provide a place for you to jump up and rant on one of your pet peeves. †DaveScot will no longer be posting at UD.

Where can they go from here except further along the road to obscurity? Dave Springer could be a real tosser, but occasionally he could show a little class.

i never thought I would say this but...

Farewell, Dave and glad to see your scruples got the better of you.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:34   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 15 2009,16:22)
i never thought I would say this but...

Farewell, Dave and glad to see your scruples got the better of you.

I second your emotion...
He was saved from the darkside at the end.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:46   

Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 15 2009,17:34)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 15 2009,16:22)
i never thought I would say this but...

Farewell, Dave and glad to see your scruples got the better of you.

I second your emotion...
He was saved from the darkside at the end.

We've been keeping this from you, 'Dog. DaveScot is your father.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,16:54   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 15 2009,16:46)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 15 2009,17:34)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 15 2009,16:22)
i never thought I would say this but...

Farewell, Dave and glad to see your scruples got the better of you.

I second your emotion...
He was saved from the darkside at the end.

We've been keeping this from you, Dog. DaveScot is your father.

You know, Bill, with Dave gone, you are going to have to get a new avatar.  So will GCT.

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It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. †We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:08   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 15 2009,16:46)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 15 2009,17:34)
 
Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 15 2009,16:22)
i never thought I would say this but...

Farewell, Dave and glad to see your scruples got the better of you.

I second your emotion...
He was saved from the darkside at the end.

We've been keeping this from you, 'Dog. DaveScot is your father.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:12   

DaveScot banned from UD?

Words fail me.

Louis

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Bye.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:13   

Quote (Louis @ Mar. 15 2009,17:12)
DaveScot banned from UD?

Words fail me.

Louis

If you just signed on.... you have a LOT of catching up to do!  See you in a couple of days dude!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2009,17:25   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 15 2009,17:54)
You know, Bill, with Dave gone, you are going to have to get a new avatar. †So will GCT.

Mmmm. I'm guessing you're thinking it depicts the loudspeaker in the ceiling.

Actually, it depicts a loudspeaker in my vintage stereo system. A University "reciprocating flare" midrange compression driver and horn.

"Reciprocating Bill" was a name I originally devised for the Vintage Asylum audio forum.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2009,19:37   

In memoriam:

I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung
Wanna pull up tough
Cuz you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh, baby I wanna get with ya
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that butt you got
Make Me so horney
Ooh, rump of smooth skin
You say you wanna get in my benz
Well use me use me cuz you aint that average groupy

I've seen them dancin'
To hell with romancin'
She's Sweat,Wet, got it goin like a turbo vette

I'm tired of magazines
Saying flat butts are the thing
Take the average black man and ask him that
She gotta pack much back

So Fellas (yeah) Fellas(yeah)
Has your girlfriend got the butt (hell yeah)
Well shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake that healthy butt
Baby got back

(LA face with Oakland booty)

I like'em round and big
And when I'm throwin a gig
I just can't help myself
I'm actin like an animal
Now here's my scandal

I wanna get you home
And UH, double up UH UH
I aint talkin bout playboy
Cuz silicone parts were made for toys
I wannem real thick and juicy
So find that juicy double
Mixalot's in trouble
Beggin for a piece of that bubble
So I'm lookin' at rock videos
Knockin these bimbos walkin like hoes
You can have them bimbos
I'll keep my women like Flo Jo
A word to the thick soul sistas
I wanna get with ya
I won't cus or hit ya
But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna --
Til the break of dawn
Baby Got it goin on
Alot of pimps won't like this song
Cuz them punks lie to hit it and quit it
But I'd rather stay and play
Cuz I'm long and I'm strong
And I'm down to get the friction on

So ladies (yeah), Ladies (yeah)
Do you wanna roll in my Mercedes (yeah)
Then turn around
Stick it out
Even white boys got to shout
Baby got back

(LA face with the Oakland booty)

Yeah baby
When it comes to females
Cosmo ain't got nothin to do with my selection
36-24-36
Only if she's 5'3"

So your girlfriend throws a Honda
Playin workout tapes by Fonda
But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda
My anaconda don't want none unless you've got buns hun
You can do side bends or sit-ups, but please don't lose that butt
Some brothers wanna play that hard role
And tell you that the butt ain't gold
So they toss it and leave it
And I pull up quick to retrieve it
So cosmo says you're fat
Well I ain't down with that
Cuz your waste is small and your curves are kickin
And I'm thinkin bout stickin
To the beanpole dames in the magazines
You aint it miss thing
Give me a sista I can't resist her
Red beans and rice did miss her
Some knucklehead tried to dis
Cuz his girls were on my list
He had game but he chose to hit 'em
And pulled up quick to get with 'em
So ladies if the butt is round
And you wanna triple X throw down
Dial 1-900-MIXALOT and kick them nasty thoughts
Baby got back
Baby got back
Little in tha middle but she got much back x4

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2009,22:02   

My god that was a great song.

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"I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB

http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

   
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2009,11:41   

Valaquesse is no longer with them, and Clive has discovered how to operate the Loudspeaker In The Ceiling.

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2009,12:07   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 19 2009,11:41)
Valaquesse is no longer with them, and Clive has discovered how to operate the Loudspeaker In The Ceiling.

And, per usual, IDiots like KF proceed immediately to argue with an empty chair.

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2009,16:02   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 19 2009,13:07)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 19 2009,11:41)
Valaquesse is no longer with them, and Clive has discovered how to operate the Loudspeaker In The Ceiling.

And, per usual, IDiots like KF proceed immediately to argue with an empty chair.

Mostly the chair wins anyway.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2009,21:27   

RTH's catch:

Clean up on isle Clive:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....-309134

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iconofid

03/20/2009

1:34 pm
Denise OíLeary:

notedscholar, you seem to be writing about a different story.

Am I the only one confused here? Who is ďnotedscholarĒ?

6

Clive Hayden

03/20/2009

4:28 pm
iconofid,

I removed noted scholarís comment.


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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 22 2009,08:07   

UD enunciated a new moderation policy. But they were lying.

The following question was posed on UD, vis their new moderation policy:
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CannuckianYankee
03/13/2009
8:46 pm

Iím just wondering Clive,

Letís say a person such as, oh, PZ Meyers wanted to post here and he kept his language cordial and non-insulting, would he be welcome to post? I would be interested in reading what he has to say without all the hyperbole that is a part of his language in his own blog. I might enjoy seeing how others here would challenge him. Maybe Iím ignorant, but has he ever posted here?

The response came from Barry Arrington hisself:

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Barry Arrington
03/13/2009
10:41 pm

Iíll answer that. If PZ ó or anyone else ó came here and minded his manners, he would be more than welcome. Iím not holding my breath though, because PZ does not appear to be able to rise above adolescent name calling.

Up-thread, I explicitly likened myself to PZ (with appropriate humility, as I couldn't hold his mollusks when it comes to ridiculing UD and ID), and recalled my previous derision of BarryA, Uncommonly Denyse and others at UD. Not to mention my employment of juvenile humor of all variety at their expense. In short, when I began posting at UD, I arrived on their doorstep in a basket with a note pinned to my blanket, "test case." †

At UD, I kept my language "cordial and non-insulting," although the same cannot be said about the regulars there. And I raised a serious point - none is more central to the (non)validity of ID as a scientific project - and scrupulously conformed to their moderation policy as I pressed that point.

I am now officially banned, nonetheless:


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Clive Hayden
03/21/2009
11:45 pm
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Reciprocating Bill.

ďGiven that my participation has been serious and respectfulÖĒ


Really?

You said this yourself:

ďWithout claiming significance anything resembling PZís [Myers], I do have a history of critical comments regarding UD, Barry Arrington in particular, Uncommonly Denyse, etc. Not to mention adolescent name callingÖ.I like to think that UDís new policy, in addition to reflecting new management, is also in response to the the ridiculative selection pressures weíve exerted hereÖ.Letís watch.Ē

Bye Bill.


Clive has banned me because of comments I made in advance of this entire experiment, on a site other than UD. Comments that explicitly cite BarryA's invitation to persons with an extra-UD history and proclivity similar to PZ's to post there. Banned without regard to my scrupulous observance of their new moderation rules (nothing profane, no vicious personal attacks).

Banned because the geniuses at UD are unable to specify an entailment that arises from ID and an empirical test of said entailment such that it places ID at risk of disconfirmation. Banned to suppress the reoccurance of that embarrassing request.

Their new moderation policy is a lie.

In other news, Dog bites Man. Film at eleven.


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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,18:20   

Pendulum seems to have fallen on his, erm... sword. Last two comments are in the Phantom Zone. They went something like

to DLH -  
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PSSI has 270 signatures? Only 2,662,055 to go in the AMA!


to David Kellogg -  
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Yes, "implicit latching" started as simply avoidance behavior, but it was such a gem of tiki bar science vocaulary that I wanted to save it, and it fit perfectly into the bug/feature analogy.


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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2009,18:48   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 27 2009,18:20)
Pendulum seems to have fallen on his, erm... sword. Last two comments are in the Phantom Zone. They went something like

to DLH - †
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PSSI has 270 signatures? Only 2,662,055 to go in the AMA!


to David Kellogg - †
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Yes, "implicit latching" started as simply avoidance behavior, but it was such a gem of tiki bar science vocaulary that I wanted to save it, and it fit perfectly into the bug/feature analogy.

Nice.

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"I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB

http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

   
1of63



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(Permalink) Posted: April 08 2009,12:32   

Just thought I'd mention a possible or impending bannination of Seversky over on UD.

It's not a formal ban - not yet at least - but posts are being held in moderation until they disappear upthread. †Or they just disappear.

The last one was at 173 on the Shermer thread. †I think it was quite mild compared with what the likes of Joe put out.
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† †As regards the reliability of scientific reasoning: you cite the commonality of our empirical experience, and our ability to test our theories as a warrant for science. But what Iím more worried about is: how do we know that weíre even asking the right questions in the first place? How do we know that our science is not full of huge, gaping logical flaws that weíve never noticed? Thatís what I mean when I say that an atheist has no good reason to simply assume the reliability of our speculative reasoning. For there are 101 ways in which it could go off the rails in matters speculative - and weíd never know.


I would be wary about using the word ďneverĒ.

The problem we face as a species in trying to understand the world we see around us is that, if we cannot rely on divine revelation to meet all our epistemological needs, we are going to have to try and work it out for ourselves.

Plainly, the existing religious texts cannot help. The Bible, for example, does not include something equivalent to a diagnostic and therapeutic manual for the identification and treatment of all the illnesses to which the human body is prone. The Koran does not contain the blueprints and operating principles of combustion engines or cell phones. The Bhagavad Gita does not explain how to build and program computers.

All this hard-won knowledge - and much more - we have had to gather for ourselves. Agreed, it is a far from perfect process. There have been many false starts, fruitless detours and dead-ends along the way. But the fact is we have made progress, it is something we have done for ourselves and that - admittedly limited - success is a good enough reason for us to continue what we are doing until we find it no longer works.

I think, however, you raise pertinent questions when you ask how do we know that our science is not full of gaping holes, how do we know that we are asking the right questions in the first place? The simple answer is that we do not. But we have to start somewhere - it doesnít really matter where - study what we see, concoct some sort of an explanation, test it and take it from there, where we take it being dependent on the results.

The ongoing discussion about the cosmological argument is a case in point. We observe a world which is apparently the product of long chains of cause and effect which stretch back into the mists of time. An infinite causal chain, however, is felt to be unacceptable for reasons already given. It is argued that the only conceivable alternative is an uncaused First Cause, even though that also has problems. Given that the two candidate answers are equally unsatisfactory, albeit for different reasons, could the solution be, as you have suggested, that we are asking the wrong questions?

Certainly the evidence we have gathered so far points towards our Universe having some sort of beginning but, as Nakashima has pointed out, if we think circular rather than linear we can have a causal chain which has no beginning. While it may not be the correct solution it does, at least, represent an attempt to get round the present impasse by Ďthinking outside the boxí.

As an agnostic atheist my view is that it is perfectly acceptable to say that we simply donít know. I find the concept of an infinite causal chain unsatisfactory although I do not see a Universe that was designed to satisfy my personal needs. An uncaused First Cause is equally unsatisfactory because it sounds too much like special pleading and an attempt to cut off all further debate by fiat.


Personally, I was prepared to give Clive and Barry the benefit of the doubt what with that ringing Churchillian declaration of 'we can take it' from BArrington. †Now,I think they're full of it

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I set expectations at zero, and FL limbos right under them. - Tracy P. Hamilton

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2009,12:19   

I think Nakashima has just been silently banninated, either for saying StephenB is living in an intellectual time warp (on the Shermer thread), or for pushing GilDodgen about human competitve algorithms (on the Texas thread).

Bummer, considering all the nice things I just said about Clive.

I'll try again over the weekend to log back in over there, but very low hopes of success.

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2009,12:24   

Quote (dvunkannon @ April 17 2009,12:19)
I think Nakashima has just been silently banninated, either for saying StephenB is living in an intellectual time warp (on the Shermer thread), or for pushing GilDodgen about human competitve algorithms (on the Texas thread).

Bummer, considering all the nice things I just said about Clive.

I'll try again over the weekend to log back in over there, but very low hopes of success.

You might be ok, as long as you didn't comment about Gil's Frilly Shirt Love...

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2009,14:12   

Quote (J-Dog @ April 17 2009,13:24)
Quote (dvunkannon @ April 17 2009,12:19)
I think Nakashima has just been silently banninated, either for saying StephenB is living in an intellectual time warp (on the Shermer thread), or for pushing GilDodgen about human competitve algorithms (on the Texas thread).

Bummer, considering all the nice things I just said about Clive.

I'll try again over the weekend to log back in over there, but very low hopes of success.

You might be ok, as long as you didn't comment about Gil's Frilly Shirt Love...

I may have spoken too soon, Nakashima is back online.

Clive, if it was you, thanks!

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2009,18:45   

Man, I wish I'd saved this.  Denyse deleted a comment on her latest screed.  You'll see two comments in a row from Denyse.  Missing between them is a comment from me that pointed out the irony in this sentence:
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David Kellogg does not sound like he has ever had to deal with a news deadline or with people who persistently misrepresent/undeerrepresent/overrepresent themselves - or are just plain confused and have no idea what information would be useful or how to convey it, or what difference the information would make.

I gently suggested that she was trying to bait me to say something about the site.  She removed the comment.  I should have anticipated that.

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"I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB

http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

   
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 19 2009,21:21   

Quote (Hermagoras @ April 19 2009,19:45)
Man, I wish I'd saved this. †Denyse deleted a comment on her latest screed. †You'll see two comments in a row from Denyse. †Missing between them is a comment from me that pointed out the irony in this sentence: † †
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David Kellogg does not sound like he has ever had to deal with a news deadline or with people who persistently misrepresent/undeerrepresent/overrepresent themselves - or are just plain confused and have no idea what information would be useful or how to convey it, or what difference the information would make.

I gently suggested that she was trying to bait me to say something about the site. †She removed the comment. †I should have anticipated that.

You obviously need to review the newly articulated moderation policy:
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As a general rule, so long as your comment is not defamatory profane, or a vicious personal attack, you can say pretty much what you want.

Since you weren't defamatory or profane, and didn't engage in vicious personal attack, the Nannyplanatory Filter must have concluded that you didn't say pretty much what you want. †

That caused you to be rude, near as I can figure, which as you can plainly see above is against...well isn't against the policy, but...

Clive? Nanny Clive?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2009,06:36   

Moderation decisions at UD are not among those grounded in absolute morality:

BarryA:
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As a general rule, so long as your comment is not defamatory profane, or a vicious personal attack, you can say pretty much what you want. We have no interest in censoring viewpoints, because we believe ID is true and consequently in any full and fair debate we will win ó and if we donít win we either need to learn to debate better or change our position Öif you keep your comments restricted to ideas and not attacking people, you should have no problems passing muster here.

The other BarryA:
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Allan, I deleted your comment about the Tao, becaue you posted it in a deliberate attempt to confuse and obfuscate. Thatís not nice. Please donít do it again.


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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2009,20:06   

We settle into that familiar, old-timey UD rhythm:

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Barry Arrington
04/25/2009
7:53 pm

Nakashima is no longer with us.

Here follows the exchange that resulted in Nakashima's ejection. As may be seen, it includes either a vicious personal attack, is defamatory, or is profane (I can't seem tell which):

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JTaylor, re your [47]. In my [39] I demonstrate that explaining the existence of the mind is impossible even in principle for the materialist but not for the ID theorist. You do not offer even a scintilla of a rebuttal to that claim. Instead, you change the subject. Is that all youíve got? Can I conclude from your silence regarding the basic premise of the original post and your attempt to change the subject, that youíve got nothing to say, that youíve been struck dumb by the scintillating brilliance of my reasoning [itís a joke, lighten up will ya]?

I dunno about using scintilla and scintillating in the same paragraph. In any event, Nakashima replied:
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Thank you for making your sense of humor clearer to me. I now understand that your previous closed comment post declaring victory over dumbstruck materialists was meant to be humor, or perhaps ístreet theaterí. I know a joke loses something if it has to be explained, but do I now understand you correctly?

Barry's appreciation of levity is apparently a one-way affair.

(Any others here wonder just what shade of crimson Barry turns when he does this?)


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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2009,20:10   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 25 2009,18:06)
We settle into that familiar, old-timey UD rhythm:

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Barry Arrington
04/25/2009
7:53 pm

Nakashima is no longer with us.

I wonder what pushed Barry over the edge. †Was it this?
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Mr Arrington,
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JTaylor, re your [47]. In my [39] I demonstrate that explaining the existence of the mind is impossible even in principle for the materialist but not for the ID theorist. You do not offer even a scintilla of a rebuttal to that claim. Instead, you change the subject. Is that all youíve got? Can I conclude from your silence regarding the basic premise of the original post and your attempt to change the subject, that youíve got nothing to say, that youíve been struck dumb by the scintillating brilliance of my reasoning [itís a joke, lighten up will ya]?

Thank you for making your sense of humor clearer to me. I now understand that your previous closed comment post declaring victory over dumbstruck materialists was meant to be humor, or perhaps ístreet theaterí. I know a joke loses something if it has to be explained, but do I now understand you correctly?


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