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KCdgw



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2006,09:31   

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Afterwards, in private, Steve Meyer kept repeating Miller's pompous declaration with a heavy German accent, sounding for all the world like Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's propaganda chief.


Too bad Himmler wasn't Hitler's propaganda chief. Goebbels was.

KC

Edited by KCdgw on Aug. 21 2006,14:31

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,12:56   

Michael Egnor Compares "Darwinists" to Soviet Censors

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In the Soviet Union, censors would routinely make out-of-favor party leaders disappear from photographs. In this photograph, Trotsky was made "photographic history" not too long before he was made "history" in a more tangible sense.

Darwinists, who are scientific, rather than political, materialists, have an affinity for airbrushing as well. When sneering, name-calling, and obfuscation don’t make the evidence go away, Darwinists just wipe it away. A recent example of Darwinian airbrushing is worth noting.



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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2007,11:03   

George Gilder's Double Whammy: The Nazism and Communism Double Shot

 
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Skeptics of Darwinism like William F. Buckley, Mr. West and Mr. Gilder also object. The notion that “the whole universe contains no intelligence,” Mr. Gilder said at Thursday’s conference, is perpetuated by “Darwinian storm troopers.”

“Both Nazism and communism were inspired by Darwinism,” he continued. “Why conservatives should toady to these storm troopers is beyond me.”


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It's the usual antievolution content.

 
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CA006. Evolution encourages eugenics.

   * CA006.1. Hitler based his views on Darwinism.
   * CA006.2. Stalin's policies were influenced by Darwin.



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2007,18:53   

John West Compares "Darwinists" to Cuban Communists

 
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Ironically, Dr. Gonzalez arrived in America as a child refugee from Castro's Cuba. Unfortunately, he seems to have discovered that the Darwinist ideologues in America's universities can be nearly as unforgiving as the Marxist ideologues of his home country.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2007,23:34   

Denyse O'Leary Says "Darwinists" Are Nazis

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Or am I whistling down the wind here? Is the point that Darwin’s brownshirts can do whatever they please?


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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2007,11:40   

William A. Dembski Invokes Jacobins in Criticism of Al Gore

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n writing this, Gore no doubt is thinking about protecting his views on global warming and the environment from criticism. But I expect his intolerance of any attacks on reason, as he understands reason, will apply as well against intelligent design. From the Time Magazine excerpt, Gore comes across as an Enlightenment rationalist who, in the best Jacobin style, won’t tolerate any challenge to his conception of reason.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,09:10   

Mario A. Lopez Calls Scientists "Gestapo"

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#  Mario A. Lopez Says:
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:03 pm

Hello Mr. Stein,

I am glad to see that you have joined in the battle against the Darwinian Gestapo. The great thing about all of this is that they have already admitted to the ?appearance? of design in nature, and better still, lack the mechanism to account for it.

These are exciting times.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,09:34   

Denyse O'Leary Calls IDC Critics "Brownshirts"

I found this earlier use of the "brownshirts" invidious comparison by O'Leary. Seems like we have a pattern here.

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All you who value freedom of thought, try to make the time to go to Center for Science and Culture and read Meyer's paper. Read it and pass it on, before today's intellectual brownshirts find some way to stop you.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,09:47   

Jonathan Wells Compares "Darwinists" to "Soviets" and "Lysenkoists"

 
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9. Darwinists are now behaving like their counterparts in the former Soviet Union. When Stalin?s government sided with Darwinists against their critics eighty years ago the result was Lysenkoism, which obstructed scientific progress for decades. Lysenkoism is now rearing its ugly head again in the U. S., as Darwinists use their government positions to destroy the careers of scientists who criticize their doctrine.


See also Elsberry abd Perakh on IDC misuse of Nazi and Soviet allusions.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2008,01:00   

Michael Wallin Invokes the Gestapo

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Paradigms don’t shift easily and new ideas don’t often take root without a revolution of sorts. After all, many scientists have staked their careers and identities in theory of Evolution. One’s Life’s work and worldview are not abandoned so easily, but an instant revolution such as the one Galileo sought isn’t what Intelligent Design advocates are seeking. All they are seeking is the opportunity to be able to discuss all the evidence openly without fear of the Gestapo. Debating Design, a book edited by both William Dembski and Michael Ruse in which advocates from all sides argue their cases, is a step in right direction.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2008,16:56   

Dembski Deploys the "Stalinist" Metaphor Yet Again

 
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CA: Are there any major universities supporting the work of ID proponents? If not, why not?

WD: Previously I would have said that universities don’t so much support ID as tolerate it if the faculty member doing ID research has tenure. But I can’t say that any longer. Robert Marks’s Evolutionary Informatics Lab had a presence on the Baylor server until the work of the lab was linked to ID (there had been anonymous complaints), at which point the Baylor administration went into Marks’s webspace and, without his permission, removed the EIL site from his space on the Baylor server. For the whole sordid story, which gained national media attention and will be featured in the upcoming Ben Stein documentary (www.expelledthemovie.com), go to my blog Uncommon Descent (http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/media-coverage-baylor-robert-marks-and-the-evolutionary-informatics-lab/). Mind you, Robert Marks’s title is Distinguished Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering—he doesn’t just have tenure but he is (or was) a star professor at Baylor. In any case, Marks still remains at his university. Untenured faculty are not so fortunate. In the case of faculty members who support ID and don’t have tenure, most universities make sure that they don’t get tenure (the tenure denial of Guillermo Gonzalez at Iowa State University is latest instance). Why this opposition? Darwinists have been very successful at demonizing anyone who dissents from their materialistic view of evolution. They have essentially established a Stalinist regime over the western academy.


Hat tip to JLT.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 19 2008,16:58

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2008,06:55   

Florida House Speaker Marco Rubio: Evolutionists Comparable to Cuban Communists But Not Equal to Fidel Castro

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The “crux” of the disagreement, according Rubio, is “whether what a parent teaches their children at home should be mocked and derided and undone at the public school level. It goes to the fundamental core of who is ultimately, primarily responsible for the upbringing of children. Is it your public education system or is it your parents?”

Rubio added, “And for me, personally, I don’t want a school system that teaches kids that what they’re learning at home is wrong.”

Rubio, a Cuban-American, made a comparison to the strategy employed by the Communist Party in Cuba where schools encouraged children to turn in parents who criticized Fidel Castro.

“Of course, I’m not equating the evolution people with Fidel Castro,” he quickly added, while noting that undermining the family and the church were key means the Communist Party used to gain control in Cuba.

“In order to impose their totalitarian regime, they destroyed the family; they destroyed the faith links that existed in that society,” he said.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2008,11:34   

Robert Crowther, DI Director of Communications, on Evolution News & Views

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You can imagine what Eugenie Scott, Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers and the rest of the Darwinian politburo thought about that. Mazur reports: ..."


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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2008,08:59   

Ernie Grimm: "Darwinists" Are Nazis, the NCSE is the Gestapo, and Genie Scott is Heinrich Himmler

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Ernie: The shift is abrupt, but I had no problem with it. Neo-Darwinists, and those who blindly follow them, need to be confronted with the reality that, as mathematician David Berlinski told Stein, Darwinism, though not a sufficient cause of Naziism, is a necessary cause. The leap from Darwinism to eugenicism is very short, and Stein quotes Darwin making that very leap himself. ("No farmer would ever allow...") And Bringing Nazis (and the Berlin Wall stuff) into the film serves another purpose -- to illustrate the absolutism and ruthlessness that exists in academia surrounding the theory of evolution. Now that Darwinists rule academia, they will brook no contradiction, and they will happily commit employment assassination even against tenured professors who dare even to mention intelligent design. The Darwinists even have their own Gestapo in the National Center for Science Education led by a modern day Heinrich Himmler named Eugenie Scott.


But please do visit ExpelledExposed  to see what the "Gestapo" has to say.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2008,23:49   

Barry Arrington: Compares "Darwinism" to Former Soviet Union

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We live in exciting times.  The Darwinist/materialist hegemony over our culture has definitely peaked, and we are privileged to watch the initial tremors that are shaking the Darwinist house of cards.  These are only the beginning of woes for St. Charles’ disciples, and I look forward to one day watching the entire rotten edifice come crashing down.  I am persuaded that just as when the Soviet Union went seemingly overnight from “menacing colossus astride the globe” to “non-existent,” the final crash of the House of Darwin will happen with astonishing suddenness.  You can be sure that we at UD will be there not only reporting on events, but also lending our intellectual pry bars to the effort.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2011,13:57   

Paul Giem prescribes psychoactive drugs for Barbara Forrest

Paul Giem of Loma Linda University gave a lecture on the Synthese special issue on "Evolution and Its Rivals", focusing on Prof. Barbara Forrest's paper and the response by Prof. Frank Beckwith. It was obvious that Giem had little patience for Forrest. While this instance isn't an invidious comparison per se, it does show a remarkably uncivil bit of rhetoric on Giem's part.

At offset 28:49 in the video, Giem says, "This lady [referring to Prof. Forrest] needs some Haldol or something." I think it makes it worse that Giem is an M.D.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2011,22:54   

Ellis Washington at World Net Daily Invokes the Nazis

 
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If you doubt the Gestapo tactics of the Darwin lobby, consider that just last week another case was uncovered about how they routinely block academic papers that criticize Darwin's evolution theory from being published. Writer Casey Luskin recalled a meeting with Wesley Elsberry, a long-time activist for the Darwin lobby and former staff member at the National Center for Science Education, who literally rejoiced whenever Intelligent Design scientists had their papers rejected from journals. Furthermore, Elsberry had the gall to criticize Intelligent Design proponents for not publishing in the mainstream scientific literature (an untrue charge).


I entered a comment there. I think I'd best archive it here:

 
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Hey, Ellis, what do you have to say to the nitty-gritty fact that Sewell's "paper" was about half text that had already been published by him as a book with the Discovery Institute brand on it? Is self-plagiarism in the scientific literature just peachy-keen if it repeats the same stuff you've liked hearing in the past?

Anyone who wants to see my "literally rejoicing" is invited to actually read: http://pandasthumb.org/archive....os.html

As for "untrue charges", I'd like to see a citation for whatever it is I've said that has upset you. I've said a lot of things over the years, so you will need to be a bit more specific if you think your umbrage will withstand a bit of scrutiny.


ETA: I think it is unlikely that what Ellis Washington said about me is based on anything other than hearsay that he got from Casey Luskin, and we all know just how reliable *that* is. So I am not expecting Washington to clarify anything.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2011,01:31   

I was planning to post Saturday. Too much bullshit to do today. I read your post, and I think it will scare the fucker into scilence for a week or two.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,21:40   

David Coppedge Thinks What Happened to the Soviet Union Can Happen to Darwinism

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Take heart, though.  It was like that before Soviet communism fell.  The last years of the Iron Curtain were fierce; many individuals suffered persecution, and many lived in a state of fear.  The Soviet bloc seemed impregnable.  Then, perestroika and glasnost came as reality set in that communism wasn’t working. Within just a couple of years, thanks to pressure from Reagan and internal pressure from freedom loving unions, the Berlin wall fell.  The world watched in astonishment as the Soviet Union unraveled in a precipitous and momentous collapse, and long-denied freedoms saw the light of a new day.  It can happen with Darwinism—unless vigilance gives way to complacency, challenge to comfort, love for truth to fear of criticism.  This is no time to cower in retreat; it’s time to charge!


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2012,21:46   

R.K. Bentley Calls Genie Scott "the Joseph Goebbels of the movement"

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That's right. I said it. Some people are science Nazis. They are Nazis in the sense that they are militant about their scientific conclusions and feel perfectly just in forcing the “ignorant” masses into compliance through propaganda or whatever means possible. The Joseph Goebbels of the movement is Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education (NCSE).


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