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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,06:45   

Florida comes up with the eighth proposed piece of antievolution as legislation at the state level this year.

It is a "critical analysis" label in the "wink wink nudge nudge" school of duping the voters, or at least the other legislators.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 08 2011,06:46

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,17:07   

I can't help but wonder how many are duped, and how many are knowingly complicit in the deception. I'm guessing a heavy leaning on the latter, and a rather light showing on the former.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,18:54   

For the trolls at PT, I posted the following comment:

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For FL and IBIG, since they seem to be incapable of either following links or reading the text that is there, I had rather more on the topic at my personal blog. I noted that the "critical analysis" language was just like what Ohio got handed by the Discovery Institute back in 2002. So what happens after a policy or law goes into effect mandating "critical analysis"? We actually know about it because Ohio ran the experiment for us:

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Of course, what Ohio got was a lesson plan whose specifics were falsehoods about evolutionary science and recycled religious antievolution arguments, including those associated with “intelligent design”, which the “critical analysis” advocates (falsely) swore up and down would not be presented to Ohio’s students.

No, people opposed to bills like Florida’s SB1854 are not against “academic freedom” or even actual “critical analysis”; they are opposed to using the power of government to force teachers to tell lies to students, which is all that the ensemble of long-rebutted religious antievolution argumentation is. While the bill doesn’t explicitly mandate that crap like what was delivered in Ohio will have to be used in Florida classrooms, the track record is clear that we can expect only that.


Much more on the faults of the Ohio "critical analysis" crud is available here. That includes links to the original files, so you can see exactly what the religious antievolutionists were trying to wedge in the door.

Personally, I would love for Florida's students to get a good enough grounding in evolutionary science that they could be introduced to Elliott Sober's book, Conceptual Issues in Evolutionary Biology, 3rd Edition. That provides an example of what real critical analysis is.

Our experience in other places, however, is that none of the people talking up "critical analysis" aimed solely at evolutionary science (and perhaps one or two other wingnut-bugbear topics tossed in to avoid the "singled out" criticism) are interested in good or excellent education in evolutionary biology. They are solely interested in giving cover to teachers who are willing to subvert science by including arguments from the long-rebutted religious antievolution ensemble.

The pretense is that we might get Sober in the classroom, but the reality is the kids only get Gished.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,21:34   

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the pretense is that we might get Sober in the classroom, but the reality is the kids only get Gished.


Wes:  excellent signature line!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,22:10   

Critical analysis? Actual critical analysis of a subject is already an option for any teacher who has time to fit it in, isn't it? That's without any need for additional legislation.

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,22:13   

Wes,  You were mentioned in the St. Petersburg Times article about Sen. Steve Wise's creationism bill.

Have you got the editor to accept a counter editorial?

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,22:20   

An op-ed might be just the thing. I'll see what can be done.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,23:27   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 08 2011,20:20)
An op-ed might be just the thing. I'll see what can be done.

I did one for the Palm Beach Post.

They can still screw around. For example, the Palm Beach Post held my reply for 2 weeks, and they had given my text to the creationist shitheel I was responding to, so he was able to resopond in the next edition. He still fucked-up.

Edited by Dr.GH on Mar. 08 2011,21:28

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2011,22:51   

The Fox News affiliate, Ch. 35, in Florida pulled a fast one with a poll they ran.

See Brandon's description of the report process and the sneaky tactic they used to game their own poll.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2011,08:43   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 14 2011,22:51)
The Fox News affiliate, Ch. 35, in Florida pulled a fast one with a poll they ran.

See Brandon's description of the report process and the sneaky tactic they used to game their own poll.

PZ sent his hordes after it before the switch.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 15 2011,11:26   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 14 2011,22:51)

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The Fox News affiliate, Ch. 35, in Florida pulled a fast one with a poll they ran.

See Brandon's description of the report process and the sneaky tactic they used to game their own poll.


Waaaait...this has to be a joke. That or it's just the best irony ever. The FOX affiliate station's call sign is WOFL? Seriously? As in "waffle"? Man...that's funny!

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