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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2011,21:06   

Since Bob O'H named the previous thread after his house pet feline overlord, I figure I can get away with naming the next after Foster, a dearly loved and missed dog.  He was a better person than most people who legitimately are classified as homo sapien, especially a fair number of those retrograde knotheads over at UD.



Too maudlin?

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2011,21:08   

Shroedinger's Dog:
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Ras + Louis = Catfight!

Enjoy the video.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2011,21:26   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 01 2011,03:08)
Shroedinger's Dog:
 
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Ras + Louis = Catfight!

Enjoy the video.

Thank you. I shall now make a joke about what you do to horses, as is customary.

Tradition must be preserved.

Louis

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2011,23:02   

From UDT III:  
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Patrick:  
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Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 31 2011,11:01)
If KF is engaged in politicking and appears in public places, his image is fair game.

Besides, doesn't he approve of outing when it's someone else?

Why yes, he does!

It's the asymmetry that justifies his hypocrisy, you see.

That being said, I do agree with Louis* that compiling dossiers on the UD denizens borders on creepy stalker behavior.  Gentlemen don't read each other's mail, and all that.

* Is that a bannable offense here?

After having been banned at UD upon Kairosfocus request for linking to one of his own web pages that displayed his real name I think is fair to use the later. Especially, since he used at least one other name (dictionary). In addition, he still signs his comments as GEM.

ETA: BTW, his old The Kairos Focus pages he links to from his new blog under the title The Fullness Focus reference site still displays the following
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This web page was created by Gordon Mullings; all rights reserved
. Thus, using his real name canot be classified as outing, IMO.

Although I think KF is either hysterical or just playing the upset I think his relatives should not get involved in these issues. OTH, if he mentions his wife in his posts it is fair to cite this fact in comments.

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Seversky



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2011,23:20   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 31 2011,21:06)
Since Bob O'H named the previous thread after his house pet feline overlord, I figure I can get away with naming the next after Foster, a dearly loved and missed dog.  He was a better person than most people who legitimately are classified as homo sapien, especially a fair number of those retrograde knotheads over at UD.



Too maudlin?

Not in the slightest.  Foster looks to be a fine fellow, a canine superior in every way to the asinine at UD.

This is another thing I hold against the UD version of Christianity:  a heaven which does not admit loyal companions like your Foster or my Sam can do without me as well.  Not that there is much chance of me getting there even if it does exist.


  
MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,00:36   

Don't you just love that brand new thread smell.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,05:12   

ftk mode on:  
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 31 2011,21:26)
   
Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 01 2011,03:08)
Shroedinger's Dog:
       
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Ras + Louis = Catfight!

Enjoy the video.

Thank you. I shall now make a joke about what you do to horses, as is customary.

Won't anybody think of the gerbils?

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,05:50   

Quote (Louis @ Aug. 31 2011,15:46)
Ahhhh /b/. Yes Patrick, I'm well aware of /b/

I'm sure you either stumbled upon it accidentally or clicked a link sent by a malicious prankster and, in either case, quickly closed that browser window.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,07:33   

Quote (MichaelJ @ Sep. 01 2011,01:36)
Don't you just love that brand new thread smell.

um yes sorry about that my tummy is still hurting a bit from the last thread

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,07:34   

Louis said, through twisted knickers

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expressing mild disagreement/having a discussion =/= getting knickers in a knot.


oh come now you know that is EXACTLY LITERALLY PRECISELY THE SAME THING YOU EVEN SPELL IT THE SAME WAY

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,08:19   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 01 2011,15:33)
Quote (MichaelJ @ Sep. 01 2011,01:36)
Don't you just love that brand new thread smell.

um yes sorry about that my tummy is still hurting a bit from the last thread

HAH.

YOU KNOW THE FIRST FEW PINTS OUT OF THE KEG ARE A BIT WATERY.

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"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,11:28   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 01 2011,04:12)
Won't anybody think of the gerbils?

Why, are they attacking somebody?

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,13:04   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 01 2011,11:50)
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 31 2011,15:46)
Ahhhh /b/. Yes Patrick, I'm well aware of /b/

I'm sure you either stumbled upon it accidentally or clicked a link sent by a malicious prankster and, in either case, quickly closed that browser window.

Nope. I went there on purpose as part of an educational tour of the internet. All very proper and above board. Very educational too.

Very. Educational.

Louis

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,15:19   

Darwin still failing at UD:

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Next: 2006: Dissent from Darwin is becoming more open among professionals

All posts in this series:

2006: Dissent from Darwin is becoming more open among professionals

2007: Darwinist efforts to stifle the ID community are failing

2008: Lots of people doubt Darwin that you didn’t think would, and are not afraid to say so

2009: The modern (neo-Darwinian) synthesis is – safely – admitted to be fading

2010: Layer on layer of intricacy outstrips Darwinian just-so stories
http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....e-years


http://chem.tufts.edu/Answers....se.html

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,19:02   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 01 2011,21:19)
Darwin still failing at UD:

 
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Next: 2006: Dissent from Darwin is becoming more open among professionals

All posts in this series:

2006: Dissent from Darwin is becoming more open among professionals

2007: Darwinist efforts to stifle the ID community are failing

2008: Lots of people doubt Darwin that you didn’t think would, and are not afraid to say so

2009: The modern (neo-Darwinian) synthesis is – safely – admitted to be fading

2010: Layer on layer of intricacy outstrips Darwinian just-so stories
http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....e-years


http://chem.tufts.edu/Answers....se.html

2007:
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The top intelligent design book honors for 2007 goes to Michael Behe’s Edge of Evolution [bla bla bla]

The “edge” of evolution, a line that defines the border between random and non-random mutation, lies very far from where Darwin pointed. Behe argues convincingly that most of the mutations that have defined the history of life on earth have been non-random.

Most Darwinist response is ill-informed attacks and cries of “Darwindunit!” when it was plentifully obvious that Darwin didn’t do it.



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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2011,23:49   

Thylacine sighting at UD.  

I remember that some bigtime ID evolution critic displayed two pictures of a thylacine, one reversed and desaturated, to illustrate some creationist falsehood a few years ago.  Anybody remember who that was?  Was that Cornelius Hunter?

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,02:31   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 01 2011,23:49)
Thylacine sighting at UD.  

I remember that some bigtime ID evolution critic displayed two pictures of a thylacine, one reversed and desaturated, to illustrate some creationist falsehood a few years ago.  Anybody remember who that was?  Was that Cornelius Hunter?

Yes, indeed.  See Wesley's brilliant take on it. It's still up-to-date because Corny didn't change a bit since then.

ETA:


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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,06:03   

Thanks.  That restores my faith in ID/Creationism.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,06:35   

Gordo equates atheists with paedophiles:



It goes on but....

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,06:43   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 02 2011,12:35)
Gordo equates atheists with paedophiles:



It goes on but....

He truly is a deeply lovely human being.

Hmmmm. Wait. Lovely is the same as odious right?

Louis

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,06:49   

At least he doesn't poison the atmosphere.

Is there a link for that, or at least a thread title?

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,07:02   

The funny thing is that Christian churches protect pedophiles and actually keep them on the payroll, without denying them access to their prey.

The occasional voice of protest echos in the cathedral.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,07:05   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 02 2011,12:35)
Gordo equates atheists with paedophiles:



It goes on but....

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-universe-is-too-big-too-old-and-too-cruel-three-silly-objections-to-cosmological-fine-

tuning-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-398071]Again[/URL].

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,07:22   

I'm feeling much better now:

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Now, since I have you on the line, let me ask you to consider a wild scenario regarding all those babies Yahweh had the Israelites kill: what if you came to know with metaphysical certainty that the consciousness inhabited by each one of those poor little babies was actually something akin to a Hitler or Stalin in a former incarnation on a different planet? How would that color your view about their being killed in such a manner by the Israelites during their incarnation on this planet?


Edit to add:

I'm somewhat interested in how one can be guilty simple by thinking bad thoughts in utero. Not to mention the inheritance of guilt from past lives.

Freaking amazing what that site tolerates and doesn't tolerate.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,07:35   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 02 2011,06:49)
At least he doesn't poison the atmosphere.

Is there a link for that, or at least a thread title?

Click on the image itself.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,07:48   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 02 2011,13:22)
I'm feeling much better now:

 
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Now, since I have you on the line, let me ask you to consider a wild scenario regarding all those babies Yahweh had the Israelites kill: what if you came to know with metaphysical certainty that the consciousness inhabited by each one of those poor little babies was actually something akin to a Hitler or Stalin in a former incarnation on a different planet? How would that color your view about their being killed in such a manner by the Israelites during their incarnation on this planet?


Edit to add:

I'm somewhat interested in how one can be guilty simple by thinking bad thoughts in utero. Not to mention the inheritance of guilt from past lives.

Freaking amazing what that site tolerates and doesn't tolerate.

Yeah but we tolerate Teh Gayz which makes us atheists as bad as paedophiles sooper secret agenda paedophile apologists paedophiles on a daily basis.

HTH, HAND.

Louis

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,08:22   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 02 2011,13:22)
I'm somewhat interested in how one can be guilty simple by thinking bad thoughts in utero. Not to mention the inheritance of guilt from past lives.

Isn't the inheritance of guilt a central belief of Christianity?
We are all fallen sinners and such?
And punishment of the children for the sins of their fathers.

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,09:30   

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Here’s morality in a nutshell: What hurts or harms sentient organisms is bad. Deliberately or carelessly doing needless bad things is evil.


You’re irrationally borrowing your moral concepts from religion, Dmullenix. As an atheist, your starting point is:

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The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.


Now, kindly explain where morality fits into that unavoidable component of the atheistic worldview.

I don't get it. The universe might show nothing but blind, pitiless indifference, but humans are clearly not indifferent. Humans have empathy, they care for their children, they're able to reflect about their actions and how these might affect others. That's a pretty good basis for developing morality, IMO.

I also observe that the universe is pretty dark, cold, and mostly empty, and I still have lights, a heating system, and furniture.

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"Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...]
Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,09:39   

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Humans have empathy


It's a trait that varies in strength, just like any other trait.

It's fun, although probably not instructive, to speculate on whether the mix of empathetic and non-empathetic individuals helps a population survive.

Formal morality and law is obviously a way of coping with non-empathetic people.

In some sense, that's what defines original sin. Lack of empathy.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2011,09:53   

markf ftw:
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One way of looking at this. If ID can only measure its progress through objections to “Darwinism” then how is progress in ID different from progress in any other creationist movement such as AIG?

Not even UD can spin ID's "achievements" over the past five years any better than that.

  
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