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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,08:54   

page bug.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,08:59   

Quote (BillB @ Oct. 18 2012,16:33)
Quote (olegt @ Oct. 18 2012,14:06)
This little gem from gpuccio will brighten your fall day.
 
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I don’t what to elimimate subjectivity. The foundation of all my thinking is objective subjectivity, that is consious representations.

ROTFL

Let's not eliminate irrationality - The foundation of all their behaviour is, after all, rational irrationality.

I think he meant objection to reality

or maybe objectional subjective objectivism.

He's obviously fallen for his own hyper-rational sesquipedalian obscurantism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,11:19   

Quote (olegt @ Oct. 18 2012,09:06)
This little gem from gpuccio will brighten your fall day.
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I don’t what to elimimate subjectivity. The foundation of all my thinking is objective subjectivity, that is consious representations.

snoooorrrrrrtttttttAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh

...that's the good stuff.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,11:54   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 18 2012,11:19)
Quote (olegt @ Oct. 18 2012,09:06)
This little gem from gpuccio will brighten your fall day.
 
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I don’t what to elimimate subjectivity. The foundation of all my thinking is objective subjectivity, that is consious representations.

snoooorrrrrrtttttttAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh

...that's the good stuff.

It is now available on prescription, just ask you doctor for Oxymaroon.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,12:28   

This is the actual reason why the fine folks at TSZ engage gpuccio. His arguments aren't very cogent. His story changes every time he opens his mouth. But once in a while he drops a gem like this, and that makes it worth your while.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,13:03   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 18 2012,09:19)
Quote (olegt @ Oct. 18 2012,09:06)
This little gem from gpuccio will brighten your fall day.
 
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I don’t what to elimimate subjectivity. The foundation of all my thinking is objective subjectivity, that is consious representations.

snoooorrrrrrtttttttAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh

...that's the good stuff.

Looks designed to me.  Objectively.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,13:11   

Quote (olegt @ Oct. 18 2012,13:28)
This is the actual reason why the fine folks at TSZ engage gpuccio. His arguments aren't very cogent. His story changes every time he opens his mouth. But once in a while he drops a gem like this, and that makes it worth your while.

I buy that for *some* of them (and definitely for you you troublemaker you).  

Some folke, however, I think have a white-knight syndrome.  Like debate with gpuccio is going to convince these mythical "onlookers".  Aint no onlookers reading through 1000 post threads dispersed among 3 blogs

either way, that's good shit right there I don't care who licked the paper

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,15:32   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 18 2012,11:11)
Quote (olegt @ Oct. 18 2012,13:28)
This is the actual reason why the fine folks at TSZ engage gpuccio. His arguments aren't very cogent. His story changes every time he opens his mouth. But once in a while he drops a gem like this, and that makes it worth your while.

I buy that for *some* of them (and definitely for you you troublemaker you).  

Some folke, however, I think have a white-knight syndrome.  Like debate with gpuccio is going to convince these mythical "onlookers".  Aint no onlookers reading through 1000 post threads dispersed among 3 blogs

either way, that's good shit right there I don't care who licked the paper

I think at this point UD has no onlookers.  There's a small regular readership of the usual suspects, who lack the intelligence, the education and/or the willingness to understand science.  And there's a much larger readership of, well, us.  I'd be surprised if many "undecideds" make their way to UD any more.  Dembski and Denyse are hardly household names, and no-one's heard of Gordon even in fucking Montserrat.

To a first approximation, UD is a comedy site and we're the only audience.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,15:37   

Word up

but the sad thing is, as stevestory pointed out (on the basis of his timeout) is that the LULZ are growing scarce and stale

C'mon creationists surely you can makeup some new bullshit.  because i am just not spitting on my screen as much as i used to, something about DSGFFSICO and all that shit is a buzzkill.

MOAR DEMBSKI PLEASE

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,15:48   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 18 2012,13:37)
Word up

but the sad thing is, as stevestory pointed out (on the basis of his timeout) is that the LULZ are growing scarce and stale

C'mon creationists surely you can makeup some new bullshit.  because i am just not spitting on my screen as much as i used to, something about DSGFFSICO and all that shit is a buzzkill.

MOAR DEMBSKI PLEASE

I don't know.  The "solve every remaining problem in abiogenesis by Tuesday or we declare victory" stuff has been solid, 24-carat, diamond-encrusted comedy gold.  With knobs on.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,16:07   

I just mined a nugget from Mung:
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Unguided evolution (whatever that is) doesn’t predict anything. If it did it wouldn’t be unguided.


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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,16:19   

Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 18 2012,16:48)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 18 2012,13:37)
Word up

but the sad thing is, as stevestory pointed out (on the basis of his timeout) is that the LULZ are growing scarce and stale

C'mon creationists surely you can makeup some new bullshit.  because i am just not spitting on my screen as much as i used to, something about DSGFFSICO and all that shit is a buzzkill.

MOAR DEMBSKI PLEASE

I don't know.  The "solve every remaining problem in abiogenesis by Tuesday or we declare victory" stuff has been solid, 24-carat, diamond-encrusted comedy gold.  With knobs on.

I just see that as "WHERE YOU THEY'RE?????///????" dressed up in a cheap suit

and... i ingest my UD tard indirectly here, so what the hell do I know about what's going on over there.  it just hasn't been interesting enough for me to surf over and check it out. maybe i should get drunk or something

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,16:26   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 18 2012,14:19)
Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 18 2012,16:48)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 18 2012,13:37)
Word up

but the sad thing is, as stevestory pointed out (on the basis of his timeout) is that the LULZ are growing scarce and stale

C'mon creationists surely you can makeup some new bullshit.  because i am just not spitting on my screen as much as i used to, something about DSGFFSICO and all that shit is a buzzkill.

MOAR DEMBSKI PLEASE

I don't know.  The "solve every remaining problem in abiogenesis by Tuesday or we declare victory" stuff has been solid, 24-carat, diamond-encrusted comedy gold.  With knobs on.

I just see that as "WHERE YOU THEY'RE?????///????" dressed up in a cheap suit

and... i ingest my UD tard indirectly here, so what the hell do I know about what's going on over there.  it just hasn't been interesting enough for me to surf over and check it out. maybe i should get drunk or something

Yeah, but expecting them to come up with anything genuinely new is a pretty high hurdle.  The last significant advance in ID was Paley's Natural Theology, in 1802.  They've been dressing it up in progressively cheaper suits ever since.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,17:12   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 18 2012,14:19)
and... i ingest my UD tard indirectly here, so what the hell do I know about what's going on over there.

Yeah, you just sit here drinking beer and watching Honey Boo Boo while the rest of us lay the tard at your feet.

Get off your ass and into the tard mines, Bubba.



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,17:14   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 18 2012,09:19)
Quote (olegt @ Oct. 18 2012,09:06)
This little gem from gpuccio will brighten your fall day.
 
Quote
I don’t what to elimimate subjectivity. The foundation of all my thinking is objective subjectivity, that is consious representations.

snoooorrrrrrtttttttAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh

...that's the good stuff.

If you like that one, see my sig.

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Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,17:45   

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2012,14:07)
I just mined a nugget from Mung:
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Unguided evolution (whatever that is) doesn’t predict anything. If it did it wouldn’t be unguided.

Let's see if I'm reading this right. mung is confusing evolution itself with the theory of evolution? In other words, he thinks that scientists claim that unguided evolution itself makes predictions, rather than scientists claim that they can make predictions based on the theory of evolution?

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,18:46   

Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 18 2012,22:26)
The last significant advance in ID was Paley's Natural Theology, in 1802.  They've been dressing it up in progressively cheaper suits ever since.

But isn't laughing at the the suit the entire point of this place?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 18 2012,20:46   

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2012,18:12)

LMAOOOO

i just died

fuck you i am not getting that shit all over my new track suit



Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 18 2012,21:50

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,06:33   

gpuccio, gently prodded by Jerad, gets further into the weeds:
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a) Conscious representations are the basis of all our subjective experience. Therefore, conscious representation are facts, indeed more facts than any other thing.

So dreams are "more facts than any other thing?"

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,06:43   

"Alan" on the Determinism thread, #47    
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Q. If I do not have freewill choices to make, having received such a commandment, then what is it that I do have? –
A. You have the Truth – the Gospel – the Law of God telling you to obey it while revealing that you can’t, thus the judgment to the Lake of Fire = Eternal complete destruction – elimination = the wages of the natural man – OR

#2. “First the will knows and aligns itself with God’s will.” FIRST God Elects by giving that Chosen one His Will. NONE will choose to align from mere calling by the Word. Wheat and Tares – looking like Christ etc.

#3. WOW – “The wages of sin is death” is a metaphor? and ” when Paul tell the Ephesians” – was that ALL the Ephesians? The second death has to do with those not receiving by HIS total Grace (not earned by some free will choice of those smart enough or “good” enough to see the light) Eternal Life – a NEW Soul – “The soul that sins shall die.” Maybe you just like (for some dark sinful fallen nature reason) to insist or want there to be ETERNAL TORMENT (actually sorrow) AND SUFFERING! Just saying be very careful with parables or one or two verse conclusions.
Anyway – we are souls (temporary or Chosen to be new and Eternal) so, while here on Earth we do have free will to put whatever we want for whatever “reason” on our Pizza. The “Soul” is the component that solves the materialistic
conundrum of determinism and it is HIS Choosing that solves the problem of “free will” as related to Salvation.
p.s. The universe has apparent age and a limited time to exist.

All science so far.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,06:53   

gpuccio's design inference is an argument from ignorance:
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The second part of the question, for us in ID, is point 2): is a credible mechanism known that can explain the string? The answer for us is simple: it does not exist, because no real explicit and verifiable mechanism has been proposed for this string. So, we infer design.

Shorter gpuccio:
1. I believe something, that makes it a fact.
2. We don't know how feature X evolved, that means it has been designed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,07:28   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 18 2012,13:11)
Like debate with gpuccio is going to convince these mythical "onlookers".  Aint no onlookers reading through 1000 post threads dispersed among 3 blogs

I can be plural if I want to!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,07:45   

Quote (olegt @ Oct. 19 2012,14:33)
gpuccio, gently prodded by Jerad, gets further into the weeds:
 
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a) Conscious representations are the basis of all our subjective experience. Therefore, conscious representation are facts, indeed more facts than any other thing.

So dreams are "more facts than any other thing?"

NO, HOMO!

FACTS ARE DREAMS.

YOU EVILUTIONISTS JUST DON'T GET IT.


GOD CAN'T BE JUDGED BY FACTS, SCIENCE IS JUST AN OPINION.

OUR VIEW IS THAT OBJECTIVE TRUTH IS SUBJECTIVE, GOT THAT?

SUBJECTIVE READING OF THE BIBLE IS ANTI-CONSERVATIVE. IT LEADS TO HORIZONTAL FOLK DANCING AND THE DEMON DRINK.

THUS EVOLUTION IS WRONG.

GOT THAT?
WRITE THAT DOWN.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,08:38   

Quote (olegt @ Oct. 19 2012,06:53)
gpuccio's design inference is an argument from ignorance:
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The second part of the question, for us in ID, is point 2): is a credible mechanism known that can explain the string? The answer for us is simple: it does not exist, because no real explicit and verifiable mechanism has been proposed for this string. So, we infer design.

Shorter gpuccio:
1. I believe something, that makes it a fact.
2. We don't know how feature X evolved, that means it has been designed.

Gpuccio is the most literate and knowledgeable of the UD tribe. It is useful to pin him down and get him to admit he simply doesn't accept scientific reasoning.

I do agree with his oft repeated claim that even a five year old can see the obviousness of his invisible continuously acting designer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,10:26   

Quote (k.e.. @ Oct. 19 2012,08:45)
Quote (olegt @ Oct. 19 2012,14:33)
gpuccio, gently prodded by Jerad, gets further into the weeds:
 
Quote
a) Conscious representations are the basis of all our subjective experience. Therefore, conscious representation are facts, indeed more facts than any other thing.

So dreams are "more facts than any other thing?"

NO, HOMO!

FACTS ARE DREAMS.

YOU EVILUTIONISTS JUST DON'T GET IT.


GOD CAN'T BE JUDGED BY FACTS, SCIENCE IS JUST AN OPINION.

OUR VIEW IS THAT OBJECTIVE TRUTH IS SUBJECTIVE, GOT THAT?

SUBJECTIVE READING OF THE BIBLE IS ANTI-CONSERVATIVE. IT LEADS TO HORIZONTAL FOLK DANCING AND THE DEMON DRINK.

THUS EVOLUTION IS WRONG.

GOT THAT?
WRITE THAT DOWN.

© Another tardologue brought to you by DAVETARD the long lost UD TZAR in magnificent technosymphoniumicolor.

yeah man



wait....  what?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,13:55   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 18 2012,20:46)
Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2012,18:12)

fuck you i am not getting that shit all over my new track suit

Um. Keiths, do you know who that guy is in the photo you posted? If so, I don't get the joke.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,13:57   

Quote (Trubble @ Oct. 19 2012,13:55)

Sorry, I meant erasmus, not keiths. Damn, when will I get editing privileges?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,14:33   

LOL

no i don't know.  who is it?  Man he sure is a hunk

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2012,15:22   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 19 2012,14:33)
LOL

no i don't know.  who is it?  Man he sure is a hunk

A psychopathic hunk, whose face was all over the news this summer (and whose name is in the file name you uploaded, btw):

From wikipedia:
"Luka Rocco Magnotta (born Eric Clinton Kirk Newman; July 24, 1982) is a Canadian pornographic actor and model accused of killing and dismembering Lin Jun, a Chinese international student, then mailing his severed limbs to the offices of Canadian political parties and to elementary schools in another province.

"After a video allegedly depicting the murder was posted online, Magnotta fled the country, becoming the subject of an Interpol Red Notice and prompting an international manhunt. He was apprehended on June 4, 2012, in an Internet café in Berlin while reading news stories about himself.

"He was previously sought by animal rights groups for allegedly making videos of himself torturing kittens and posting them online."

It's kind of weird that his image is included on that Reactionface site.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2012,04:02   

Hey gordo (I know you read this thread), have you seen this fresh statement from your little buddy joe g the muslim creationist?

"Only one who accepts the Bible as the authority on things can be a YEC. I do not hold the Bible as any kind of authority."

In this  thread:

http://skepticink.com/smilodo....-giving


And he has also said (in an EVC thread):

"BTW I am not a christian and could care less if the designer/ creator is the God of the Bible."


And:

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1.1.1.2.1
JoeDecember 23, 2011 at 7:11 am

I am not a Christian and ID theorists do not insist on a divide between the natural and the divine. You are sadly mistaken.
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1.1.1.2.2
FrancisSDecember 23, 2011 at 1:29 pm

Joe, may I ask who or what you think the Intelligent Designer to be?
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1.1.1.2.3
JoeDecember 23, 2011 at 7:13 pm

Yes, you may ask. No I don’t know but I do hope it ain’t the God of the Bible.

In this UD thread.



Wow gordo, joey sure doesn't think very highly of your alleged god and the bible. I guess that's because he worships mohammed the child molester instead.



ETA: the links appear to be working now

Edited by The whole truth on Oct. 20 2012,02:22

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