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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,16:08   

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Of course, no evidence the guy is antisemitic.


He has some rather strong associations in the conspiracy world with people who blame Israel for 9/11.

Just looking briefly at the truther sewer, he might have disassociated himself from that. Or not. It's difficult to tell who's in and who's out. What a mess.

I have a personal reason for thinking the Trade Center theorists are full of shit. They talk about the fire not being hot enough.

I live a few blocks from a church that burned a few years ago. It had a frame made of steel I-beams which bent like cooked spaghetti in the fire. There was no additional fuel. It was just a routine fire.


Well, obviously the CIA/Illuminati/Elders of Zion/Manchester United FC planted incendiary explosives around the beams when the place was built, so they could burn it down years later to discredit the conspiracy theories they knew would arise after they burned down the WTC.  

It's the only logical explanation.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,16:36   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 13 2011,15:44)
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Of course, no evidence the guy is antisemitic.


He has some rather strong associations in the conspiracy world with people who blame Israel for 9/11.

Just looking briefly at the truther sewer, he might have disassociated himself from that. Or not. It's difficult to tell who's in and who's out. What a mess.

I have a personal reason for thinking the Trade Center theorists are full of shit. They talk about the fire not being hot enough.

I live a few blocks from a church that burned a few years ago. It had a frame made of steel I-beams which bent like cooked spaghetti in the fire. There was no additional fuel. It was just a routine fire.


Oh, please don't tell me that anyone besides Rosie O'Donnell is repeating that crap! And geez, doesn't Denyse know that skeptic/atheist/"Darwinist" Michael Shermer has been one of the most outspoken voices against 9-11 conspiracies? (Of course not.)

This stuff depresses me as much as creationism does. Oh, speaking of which do you know that the Great Depression was planned?  ;)  (From a local cable access show in the 1990s. Blarg! )

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,16:38   

I swore I'd never go back there, but like a moth ...

DrREC wrote:  
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Copying Mussorgsky’s Gates of Kiev, and throwing in an unplayed (Ventner’s addition doesn’t code, or do anything) stanza doesn’t make me a composter.


No, but participating in the comment thread at UD sure does!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,17:05   

Lewontin!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,17:10   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 13 2011,15:44)
 
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Of course, no evidence the guy is antisemitic.


He has some rather strong associations in the conspiracy world with people who blame Israel for 9/11.


Unless the JFK assassination and Paul Wellstone plane crash are also widely averred to be Jewish conspiracies, I think not.  Fetzer is a "OUR government did it" sort of fellow.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,17:27   

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Lifton seems to be upset that I have endorsed a book, STRANGER THAN FICTION, which traces the history of Zionism from the late 1800s to the present day and advances evidence, not only of the history of terrorism practiced by those who wanted to create the State of Israel, but of Israeli involvement in the events of 9/11. I had independently concluded Israel was involved in 9/11 before I discovered this book. I must admit that I had no clear concept of Zionism until relatively recently, when I began inviting experts on the subject onto my radio program, "The Real Deal", including Stephen Lendman (13 March 2010), Barry Chamish (30 March 2010), and Elias Davidsson (10 July 2010).


http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.p....c=16026

This stuff is depressingly easy to find.


ETA:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/article....4A.html

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,19:52   

I happen to work with a bunch of journalists. On the whole they are quite picky about getting things right. Such as avoiding typos in headlines.

Apparently it is not a universal trait.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,21:43   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Sep. 13 2011,19:52)
I happen to work with a bunch of journalists. On the whole they are quite picky about getting things right. Such as avoiding typos in headlines.

Apparently it is not a universal trait.

But if DeNews were really picky about getting things right, she'd never post anything, and then where would we be?

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,21:46   

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But if DeNews were really picky about getting things right, she'd never post anything, and then where would we be?


Hanging out in train station pubs with Louis, obviously.

Been there, done that.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,22:24   

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I swore I'd never go back there, but like a moth ...

A moth attracted to the sweater?

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2011,22:47   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Sep. 13 2011,20:43)
But if DeNews were really picky about getting things right, she'd never post anything, and then where would we be?

In a lab doing science?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,01:54   

Gildo calls out the "Darwinists":
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The claim has been made that ID proponents are just “creationists in cheap tuxedos.”
[snip]

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Therefore, I’ll make the claim that Darwinists are atheists in expensive tuxedos.


bolding mine

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,02:21   

Didn't someone at UD just bet a thousand dollars that ID didn't require god?

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,06:52   

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As if Jonathan M's post isn't ludicrous enough Granville Sewell who published a more or less identical paper at least three times thinks he has to add the following:  
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Jonathan,

Good post. I like the comments “to have written 800 papers is regarded as something to boast about rather than being shameful” and “with far fewer papers being published, reviewers, grant committees and promotion committees might be able to read the papers, not just count them.”

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led to a situation where any paper, however bad, can now be printed in a journal that claims to be peer-reviewed.


He is referring to bio-complexity, isn't he?

Yep objectivism bolted to a post modernist fact free truthiness.

Or if you like thruth free factlessness.

Where no test that survives the scientific principle survives creationist/ID mendaciousness.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,07:06   

Dembski has calved more 'journals' than papers, near enough.

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,07:21   

Quote (paragwinn @ Sep. 14 2011,09:54)
Gildo calls out the "Darwinists":  
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The claim has been made that ID proponents are just “creationists in cheap tuxedos.”
[snip]

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Therefore, I’ll make the claim that Darwinists are atheists in expensive tuxedos.


bolding mine

So Gildo's complaint is we have higher priced tailors?

They can only afford to shop at The Good Samaritans?

Creationists are driven by out of date fashions?


Is poor dress sense correlated to low IQ and earnings capacity?


Oh well charity begins at home, so that unibrow creationist whatever his name is could hold an auction so Gildo can get a decent jacket.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,07:25   

Quote (Woodbine @ Sep. 14 2011,15:06)
Dembski has calved more 'journals' than papers, near enough.

Don't know about that

...... but he has certainly spawned more acronyms than TV crime writers

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,10:23   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 13 2011,17:27)
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Lifton seems to be upset that I have endorsed a book, STRANGER THAN FICTION, which traces the history of Zionism from the late 1800s to the present day and advances evidence, not only of the history of terrorism practiced by those who wanted to create the State of Israel, but of Israeli involvement in the events of 9/11. I had independently concluded Israel was involved in 9/11 before I discovered this book. I must admit that I had no clear concept of Zionism until relatively recently, when I began inviting experts on the subject onto my radio program, "The Real Deal", including Stephen Lendman (13 March 2010), Barry Chamish (30 March 2010), and Elias Davidsson (10 July 2010).


http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.p....c=16026

This stuff is depressingly easy to find.


ETA:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/article....4A.html


That is definitive!  Ah well, it should get some mention in the wikipedia article on him, at least.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,10:31   

I'm afraid it dominates the Wiki article on Fetzer. It defines his Wiki image.

In fact there's nothing else on the wiki page except an appeal for cleanup.

I know lots of people who criticize Israel, but none that think Israel had anything to do with 9/11. Except for the obvious fact that our support for Israel pisses off the Arabs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,11:23   

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Except for the obvious fact that our support for Israel pisses off the Arabs.


I would call wrong on that one. Israel support doesn't piss off Arabs. It pisses off Muslims. There is quite a few Arabs that happen to be Jews as well.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,11:27   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 14 2011,11:23)
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Except for the obvious fact that our support for Israel pisses off the Arabs.


I would call wrong on that one. Israel support doesn't piss off Arabs. It pisses off Muslims. There is quite a few Arabs that happen to be Jews as well.

Interesting. I stand corrected.

Would many Jewish Arabs be living in the countries that seem to be supporting militant Muslims? Could you speculate on the percentage or the raw numbers?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,11:37   

I don't often go to UD.  Raw idiocy is just too much these days.  But I had a question that only UD could answer (no I didn't find an answer).

But this on the home page struck me as... curious.

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Do intelligent desgn theorists need the supernatural – just to leave room for a little mystery in life?
http://www.uncommondescent.com/origin-of-life/do-intelligent-deign-theorists-need-the-supernatural-just-to-leave-room-for-a-little-myste
ry-in-life/

Perhaps intelligence should use a little more intelligent design.

Does anyone have contact information for O'Leary?  Surprisingly, there is no way to contact anyone via the UD website.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,12:04   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 14 2011,10:31)
I'm afraid it dominates the Wiki article on Fetzer. It defines his Wiki image.

In fact there's nothing else on the wiki page except an appeal for cleanup.

I know lots of people who criticize Israel, but none that think Israel had anything to do with 9/11. Except for the obvious fact that our support for Israel pisses off the Arabs.

A text search of the wikipedia Fetzer article:

Israel 0 mentions
Jew 0 mentions
semitic 0 mentions

That is what I was going by, plus a brief google search and reading some of the radio transcripts, but as we have seen my goggle-fu is weak..

The heading of the wikipedia article notes that it is extensively autobiographical, so it is no doubt problematic in more than one way.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,12:05   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 14 2011,11:27)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 14 2011,11:23)
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Except for the obvious fact that our support for Israel pisses off the Arabs.


I would call wrong on that one. Israel support doesn't piss off Arabs. It pisses off Muslims. There is quite a few Arabs that happen to be Jews as well.

Interesting. I stand corrected.

Would many Jewish Arabs be living in the countries that seem to be supporting militant Muslims? Could you speculate on the percentage or the raw numbers?

Actually, there are many Arabic Christians in the region.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,12:06   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 14 2011,06:37)
I don't often go to UD.  Raw idiocy is just too much these days.  But I had a question that only UD could answer (no I didn't find an answer).

But this on the home page struck me as... curious.

 
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Do intelligent desgn theorists need the supernatural – just to leave room for a little mystery in life?
http://www.uncommondescent.com/origin-of-life/do-intelligent-deign-theorists-need-the-supernatural-just-to-leave-room-for-a-little-myste



ry-in-life/

Perhaps intelligence should use a little more intelligent design.

Does anyone have contact information for O'Leary?  Surprisingly, there is no way to contact anyone via the UD website.

Hope you're not planning any cyber stalking!

Search for "Post Darwinist" and check her profile where she lists a contact email.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,12:11   

I spend as little intellectual effort on politics as possible, so my opinions are not worth much.

My understanding is that the Arabs view Israel the way Americans might view a Texas or California that seceded and  affiliated with Cuba or Venezuela.

If Muslims in Pakistan hate Israel it is probably in sympathy with the Arab nations.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,16:32   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Sep. 14 2011,12:06)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 14 2011,06:37)
I don't often go to UD.  Raw idiocy is just too much these days.  But I had a question that only UD could answer (no I didn't find an answer).

But this on the home page struck me as... curious.

   
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Do intelligent desgn theorists need the supernatural – just to leave room for a little mystery in life?
http://www.uncommondescent.com/origin-of-life/do-intelligent-deign-theorists-need-the-supernatural-just-to-leave-room-for-a-little-myste




ry-in-life/

Perhaps intelligence should use a little more intelligent design.

Does anyone have contact information for O'Leary?  Surprisingly, there is no way to contact anyone via the UD website.

Hope you're not planning any cyber stalking!

Search for "Post Darwinist" and check her profile where she lists a contact email.

Ask a question, get a typical non-answer.  Thanks, Useless.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,16:53   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 13 2011,21:44)
 
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Of course, no evidence the guy is antisemitic.


He has some rather strong associations in the conspiracy world with people who blame Israel for 9/11.

Just looking briefly at the truther sewer, he might have disassociated himself from that. Or not. It's difficult to tell who's in and who's out. What a mess.

I have a personal reason for thinking the Trade Center theorists are full of shit. They talk about the fire not being hot enough.

I live a few blocks from a church that burned a few years ago. It had a frame made of steel I-beams which bent like cooked spaghetti in the fire. There was no additional fuel. It was just a routine fire.


Hmmm. Where exactly were you when this fire took place?

Were there any reports of hemorrhagic fevers in the locality?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,16:57   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 14 2011,16:32)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Sep. 14 2011,12:06)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 14 2011,06:37)
I don't often go to UD.  Raw idiocy is just too much these days.  But I had a question that only UD could answer (no I didn't find an answer).

But this on the home page struck me as... curious.

     
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Do intelligent desgn theorists need the supernatural – just to leave room for a little mystery in life?
http://www.uncommondescent.com/origin-of-life/do-intelligent-deign-theorists-need-the-supernatural-just-to-leave-room-for-a-little-myste






ry-in-life/

Perhaps intelligence should use a little more intelligent design.

Does anyone have contact information for O'Leary?  Surprisingly, there is no way to contact anyone via the UD website.

Hope you're not planning any cyber stalking!

Search for "Post Darwinist" and check her profile where she lists a contact email.

Ask a question, get a typical non-answer.  Thanks, Useless.

denyseoleary@gmail.com

It was at her blog site.  I can only assume that it's current, but you'll have to find out.  I have no intention to try to contact her.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2011,17:02   

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Hmmm. Where exactly were you when this fire took place?


Home in bed with the covers over my head. Nobody saw me and you can't prove it. Besides, it was Christmas eve. Maybe Santa did it.

Seriously, the old building was kind of tacky in a 1960s sort of way. The new building is much nicer. Not that that means anything. It is kind of curious that they had no smoke detector.

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