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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,09:48   

A look at Walt Ruloff.

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utidjian



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,10:26   

So um... if Premise Media went bankrupt on a venture that cost $3.5M and netted $8M .... then it appears it was mis-managed. Presumably there are businesses and people that didn't get paid what and when they were supposed to be paid by Premise. The former owners (until yesterday) of Premise get out of paying off those debts. Premise gets auctioned off and the proceeds from the auction are used to pay off the creditors.
The winner of the auction is the former financial backer of Premise (but not the owner?)

Something still seems awfully fishy here.

To complete this, could Ruloff hire Manning as CFO to manage his "new" property?

-DU-

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,10:33   

Quote (utidjian @ June 29 2011,10:26)
So um... if Premise Media went bankrupt on a venture that cost $3.5M and netted $8M .... then it appears it was mis-managed. Presumably there are businesses and people that didn't get paid what and when they were supposed to be paid by Premise. The former owners (until yesterday) of Premise get out of paying off those debts. Premise gets auctioned off and the proceeds from the auction are used to pay off the creditors.
The winner of the auction is the former financial backer of Premise (but not the owner?)

Something still seems awfully fishy here.

To complete this, could Ruloff hire Manning as CFO to manage his "new" property?

-DU-

Depends on the revenue share with the cinemas.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,10:57   

Quote (utidjian @ June 29 2011,10:26)
So um... if Premise Media went bankrupt on a venture that cost $3.5M and netted $8M .... then it appears it was mis-managed. Presumably there are businesses and people that didn't get paid what and when they were supposed to be paid by Premise. The former owners (until yesterday) of Premise get out of paying off those debts. Premise gets auctioned off and the proceeds from the auction are used to pay off the creditors.

Um, yes. My thoughts exactly. These guys manage their "science ventures" the same way that televangelists manage their "business ventures." Stay tuned. :)

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,11:27   

If Premise Media owes more than $201K, then it looks to me that Walt Ruloff just found a great way to defraud investors, and creditors.

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,11:45   

As a general rule it's difficult to pin the losses of an insolvent limited liability corporation on its directors or shareholders. You would have to show that they company had not just been mismanaged but that it was done deliberately or recklessly, or that the company was not being used for its original corporate purposes (i.e. you can't hide behind a limited liability company to avoid paying for your groceries or the kids' private school).

Unless the company was so badly run as to raise an inference of fraud, it's unlikely that the backers will be blamed for being able to walk away from the wreckage. That's what insolvency and bankruptcy laws are there for.

I wouldn't be too surprised if Ruloff & co had a bit of help from Howard and Friends to stop any incriminating production notes falling into the wrong hands. The receiver or liquidator will have no objection, because by overpaying for it, the creditors get a bigger dividend on what they're owed. As a result, I don't expect any legal issues to arise.

Pity, though.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,11:49   

They still have to cough up the $$. Let's see if they do - or if, as someone at Pharyngula noted, they just bidded what they do not have to play for time and waste everyone else's.

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MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2011,16:59   

Quote (utidjian @ June 30 2011,01:26)
So um... if Premise Media went bankrupt on a venture that cost $3.5M and netted $8M .... then it appears it was mis-managed. Presumably there are businesses and people that didn't get paid what and when they were supposed to be paid by Premise. The former owners (until yesterday) of Premise get out of paying off those debts. Premise gets auctioned off and the proceeds from the auction are used to pay off the creditors.
The winner of the auction is the former financial backer of Premise (but not the owner?)

Something still seems awfully fishy here.

To complete this, could Ruloff hire Manning as CFO to manage his "new" property?

-DU-

.. but Premise media wasn't just a one movie company. It could have gone broke from it's other projects.

If there wasn't limited liability, nobody would ever invest in anything. Even with the best intentions a business can go broke. The bad guys who milk a company for all they can get give all businesses a bad name.

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2011,12:27   

Here is a bit of deja vu, before the vu.

http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010....ys.html

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,14:03   

I have found another journalist who agrees with my assessment of the self-obscurantist tactics of the creationist-ID crowd:  
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The problem with the genre is that many people who watch the film don’t have a scorecard to follow the inside baseball that ultimately makes them interesting. Do fans of Ben Stein the game-show host know that he was a longtime columnist for the notorious right-wing organ The American Spectator? Since Stein travels to Seattle to visit the offices of the Discovery Institute, a conservative think tank sympathetic to Intelligent Design, should he I.D. interviewees who have connections to the foundation? He doesn’t, just as he fails to tell us that religion reporter Larry Witham, who talks about media coverage of Intelligent Design, was a longtime employee of the conservative newspaper The Washington Times.

The fact is, few filmmakers disclose such connections, partly because they haven’t time to do so in a feature-length movie, but mostly because they would undermine their own agendas. Ben Stein is about as fair and balanced as any of the new breed of documentarians, so the standard warning applies: Viewers beware.


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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2011,14:22   

I tend to ignore all documentaries that have an agenda.

If they have something to say, I'll red about them on forums where people can discuss the pros and cons.

Some years ago I quit watching Nova because they were being fair and balanced about UFOs and other pseudoscience.

Fair and balanced meaning they neglected to interview skeptics.

That seems to have been an aberration.

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forastero



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,04:28   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 22 2007,14:53)
"This includes the ability to inquire whether a higher power, a being greater than man, is involved with how the universe operates. This has always been basic to science. ALWAYS."

It sounds like philosophy to me Ben, not science. You are perhaps confusing the two. Science is concerned with natural world:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse....science

If God exists then surely it is outside of the physical universe?

Also, I don't thin you understand what 'hypothesis' means. In scientific terms, it doesn't mean belief:

"A tentative explanation for an observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further investigation."

Did they test their hypothesis? Did it become a theory?

People are of course free to believe what they would like. Science is actually evidence based, and ID has none - it is simply an argument from incredulity.

Please tell us where a Scientific Method has determined that a bacteria has evolved into anything but a bacteria or a fruit fly has evolved into anything but a fruit fly?

The practice of science involves formulating hypothesis that can be tested for falsifiability via observed data. A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

Fossil were accumulated and faked, soft t-rex tissues disproved radiomagic dating, punctuated equilibrium was hypothesized to no avail, fruit flies were zapped but to avail, DNA hybridization is racked with fraud because its to no avail. The very fact that the basic tenets of evolution theory changes every decade is enough to expose its faith based pseudoscience.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,06:10   

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Please tell us where a Scientific Method has determined that a bacteria has evolved into anything but a bacteria

Try mitochondria.

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or a fruit fly has evolved into anything but a fruit fly?

You don't understand common descent and the twin nested hierarchy, do you.  For your first piece of homework go and find out how many different species of fruit fly there are.

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Fossil were accumulated and faked,

What do fakes prove?  Do the faked Hitler diaries prove that Hitler didn't exist?  There are plenty of non-fake fossils.

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soft t-rex tissues disproved radiomagic dating, punctuated equilibrium was hypothesized to no avail, fruit flies were zapped but to avail, DNA hybridization is racked with fraud because its to no avail. The very fact that the basic tenets of evolution theory changes every decade is enough to expose its faith based pseudoscience.

We already know that creationist websites tell lies, and that some people believe that lies that they are told by creationists.  You don't need to tell us again.

rossum

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forastero



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,06:58   

Quote (rossum @ Oct. 06 2011,06:10)
Quote (forastero @ Oct. 06 2011,04:28)
Please tell us where a Scientific Method has determined that a bacteria has evolved into anything but a bacteria

Try mitochondria.

 
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or a fruit fly has evolved into anything but a fruit fly?

You don't understand common descent and the twin nested hierarchy, do you.  For your first piece of homework go and find out how many different species of fruit fly there are.

 
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Fossil were accumulated and faked,

What do fakes prove?  Do the faked Hitler diaries prove that Hitler didn't exist?  There are plenty of non-fake fossils.

 
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soft t-rex tissues disproved radiomagic dating, punctuated equilibrium was hypothesized to no avail, fruit flies were zapped but to avail, DNA hybridization is racked with fraud because its to no avail. The very fact that the basic tenets of evolution theory changes every decade is enough to expose its faith based pseudoscience.

We already know that creationist websites tell lies, and that some people believe that lies that they are told by creationists.  You don't need to tell us again.

rossum

Mitochondria? Why ya so hesitant to elaborate?

You dont have the slightest idea how many fruit flies there are but what is your point? Micro-adaptations are stem from preexisting phenotypes selected via an intelligently designed survival mechanism?

Lies? Can you actually defend your defensiveness?

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,07:09   

Quote (forastero @ Oct. 06 2011,06:58)
Quote (rossum @ Oct. 06 2011,06:10)
Quote (forastero @ Oct. 06 2011,04:28)
Please tell us where a Scientific Method has determined that a bacteria has evolved into anything but a bacteria

Try mitochondria.

 
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or a fruit fly has evolved into anything but a fruit fly?

You don't understand common descent and the twin nested hierarchy, do you.  For your first piece of homework go and find out how many different species of fruit fly there are.

 
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Fossil were accumulated and faked,

What do fakes prove?  Do the faked Hitler diaries prove that Hitler didn't exist?  There are plenty of non-fake fossils.

 
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soft t-rex tissues disproved radiomagic dating, punctuated equilibrium was hypothesized to no avail, fruit flies were zapped but to avail, DNA hybridization is racked with fraud because its to no avail. The very fact that the basic tenets of evolution theory changes every decade is enough to expose its faith based pseudoscience.

We already know that creationist websites tell lies, and that some people believe that lies that they are told by creationists.  You don't need to tell us again.

rossum

Mitochondria? Why ya so hesitant to elaborate?

You dont have the slightest idea how many fruit flies there are but what is your point? Micro-adaptations are stem from preexisting phenotypes selected via an intelligently designed survival mechanism?

Lies? Can you actually defend your defensiveness?

Look, if you can't be bothered to learn anything that doesn't support your point of view, why are you here.  I could answer all of these, but there's no point because you will just whine and cry that it doesn't answer you question.

Why don't you tell us YOUR notion of how the diversity of life came to be and all the evidence that you have for it.

Remember, even if you disprove evolution right here, right now, it DOES NOT mean intelligent design or creationism is correct.  Only positive supporting evidence can do that.   You don't even have that.  I can point to literally millions of peer-reviewed papers over the last 150 years that support evolution.

You can't point to even one that supports your notions... whatever they are.

Do we have all the answers?  No, of course not.  But we have more than you do.

I'm willing to bet anything that you will not describe your notions of how life came about, provide evidence for it, and defend it in the same way that you demand we defend evolution and science.

This, if true, will make you an epic hypocrite.  Prove me wrong.

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rossum



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,07:44   

Quote (forastero @ Oct. 06 2011,06:58)
Mitochondria? Why ya so hesitant to elaborate?

Why are you so hesitant to look?  Afraid that you might find some real facts that show you have been lied to by your creationist sources?

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You dont have the slightest idea how many fruit flies there are but what is your point?

How many species of Fruit Fly.  You haven't done your homework.  You haven't even read the question correctly.

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Micro-adaptations are stem from preexisting phenotypes selected via an intelligently designed survival mechanism?

And your evidence for this piece of wishful thinking is?  The answer to your homework question is relevant here.  If you don't understand the relevance then consider the phrase, "...or a eukaryote has evolved into anything but a eukaryote?".

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Lies? Can you actually defend your defensiveness?

Yes.  Creationists have no evidence to support their position.  So they lie to try to concoct some evidence in their favour and they lie to try to disparage the evidence for evolution.  Google "Gish Bullfrog" for a notorious example of a creationist lying about the evidence.

rossum

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,09:12   

Quote (forastero @ Oct. 06 2011,10:28)
[SNIP]

Please tell us where a Scientific Method has determined that a bacteria has evolved into anything but a bacteria or a fruit fly has evolved into anything but a fruit fly?

[SNIP]

Crocoduck!

WE GOT ONE!!!!!!

Don't stop, I'm off to get popcorn. We haven't had a creationist around here for a while.

Louis

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,09:32   

I predict this isn't a new one at all, just a new nym.

Though it's hard to tell 'cause even the new ones shovel out the same tired horseshit.

SSDD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,11:58   

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Don't stop, I'm off to get popcorn. We haven't had a creationist around here for a while.


Don't bother, it's just another impotent dumb shit trying to get a rise.

Hey Forast-Joe, got that water/ice thing figgered out yet?

Didn't think so.  Run along, you annoying little fuck, this site is for adults.

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2011,12:11   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Oct. 06 2011,17:58)
[SNIP]

...this site is for adults.

You take that back. You take that back right now, mister!

Why I outta....

...one of these days... POW!!! Right in the kisser! One of these days AliceBill, straight to the Moon!*

Louis

*Ahhh nostalgic misogyny and celebrations of domestic violence FTW**

** Or, erm, not, actually.

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forastero



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,21:36   

An elaborately designed endocrine system purposefully selects ancestral phenotypes in accord to environmental stimuli; which btw is just the opposite of the pseudo-scientific natural mutation selection theory that says miraculous genetic mistakes survive and often replace ancestors if they occur at just the right time and niche

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,21:53   

Quote (forastero @ Oct. 19 2011,21:36)
An elaborately designed endocrine system purposefully selects ancestral phenotypes in accord to environmental stimuli; which btw is just the opposite of the pseudo-scientific natural mutation selection theory that says miraculous genetic mistakes survive and often replace ancestors if they occur at just the right time and niche

Yes, and isn't it amazing that each and every puddle is exactly the right size to hold the particular quantity of water that they are holding!

This is the "Expelled" thread. Post here comments about "Expelled."

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forastero



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2011,22:05   

Perhaps you should  watch Expelled http://www.dailymotion.com/video....io_tech

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,00:44   

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Perhaps you should  watch Expelled http://www.dailymotion.com/video......io_tech

Well, at least now you're on topic, but why on earth do you imagine anyone here would be interested in a trailer for Expelled? You may notice that this threat is currently 118 pages long and has gone on for 4 years - the commenters here are very familiar with the movie. If I can presume to speak for others here I would say the consensus is that it is total dreck (a view shared by the scientifically literate community). Given what you've posted above I cannot see how you're going to change that.

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,01:34   

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Perhaps you should  watch Expelled http://www.dailymotion.com/video......io_tech

Perhaps you should browse Expelled Exposed, which would allow you to discover the truth of the various matters which Ben Stein & Co. obscured, dissembled on, and outright lied about.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,03:21   

Quote (forastero @ Oct. 19 2011,21:36)
An elaborately designed endocrine system purposefully selects ancestral phenotypes in accord to environmental stimuli; which btw is just the opposite of the pseudo-scientific natural mutation selection theory that says miraculous genetic mistakes survive and often replace ancestors if they occur at just the right time and niche

What does ID tell us about how that system came to be?

Let me guess, it was "designed"?

Very informative...

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forastero



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,03:33   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 20 2011,00:44)
Quote (forastero @ Oct. 20 2011,15:05)
Perhaps you should  watch Expelled http://www.dailymotion.com/video......io_tech

Well, at least now you're on topic, but why on earth do you imagine anyone here would be interested in a trailer for Expelled? You may notice that this threat is currently 118 pages long and has gone on for 4 years - the commenters here are very familiar with the movie. If I can presume to speak for others here I would say the consensus is that it is total dreck (a view shared by the scientifically literate community). Given what you've posted above I cannot see how you're going to change that.

If you think that the thread has lost its salt then maybe you should take it up with the mode take it up a moderator instead. Come to think of it, I guess am accustomed to threads getting pushed pushed from the top of the first page after about a week so. Oh and Kristine was under the impression that my post on mutations had little or nothing to do with the movie "expelled" so I simply cleared that up for her.

  
forastero



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,03:46   

Oh and a way to edit this last post would be nice

  
forastero



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,04:09   

Oh and for some reason I do not have permission to post in the new threads. I figured it was due to some sort of probationary period prior to the security pass like they do at the JW Watchtower and Free Masonry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2011,04:51   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 20 2011,03:21)
Quote (forastero @ Oct. 19 2011,21:36)
An elaborately designed endocrine system purposefully selects ancestral phenotypes in accord to environmental stimuli; which btw is just the opposite of the pseudo-scientific natural mutation selection theory that says miraculous genetic mistakes survive and often replace ancestors if they occur at just the right time and niche

What does ID tell us about how that system came to be?

Let me guess, it was "designed"?

Very informative...

Coward.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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