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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,14:40   

and

OM, OA, Rich, whoever else, you guys are bloody hilarious

Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Mar. 05 2012,15:41

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,14:43   

I'd be delighted if someone would like to post a new GA post.

Joe is now in moderation.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,15:24   

Quote (Febble @ Mar. 05 2012,14:43)
I'd be delighted if someone would like to post a new GA post.

Joe is now in moderation.

Anything specific? GA primers, or 'can they create information', or 'are they front loaded' or...?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,15:39   

Quote (eigenstate @ Mar. 05 2012,14:33)
Too bad for Elizabeth, and the TSZ. I don't know how you guys do it, Joe's trolling is just WAY too damn fatiguing and boring to deal with.

Really, life is to short to live as troll fodder for Joe.

And that's what TSZ has become, now. It's Joe's forum, now.

I wanted to post on the GA thread -- I am one who has invested, personally, several person-years, and many more person-years have been put in by my team, on commercial applications of genetic algorithms. It's an interesting, underdeveloped topic.

But I'd be a fool to waste my time on that thread.

Joe has the upper hand, at this point. The advantage goes to the troll in these situations. It takes a collective commitment to not feed the troll to stem the problem, and Joe's a very capable troll.

I thought Felsenstein's post was good, but what's the point? As soon as any attention gets invested in it, Joe just moves over there, and the post is nullified.

I'm pretty sure I can keep him bogged down in his own thread, now I've got him attributing things to Schubin that he's never said.

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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,15:45   

Struggling with the wretched plug-in!

I guess I'll figure it out....

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,15:52   

Quote (Febble @ Mar. 05 2012,14:43)
I'd be delighted if someone would like to post a new GA post.

Joe is now in moderation.

I could expand this one if you like: http://ogremk5.wordpress.com/2011....help-id

Or you can just use it.  I think Joe complained that I didn't know what front-loading was... of course he called me too stupid to understand the real answer.

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,15:59   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 05 2012,13:52)
I think Joe complained that I didn't know what front-loading was... of course he called me too stupid to understand the real answer.

That's all?  No reference to bottoms, coprophagy or penis size?  He likes you, Ogre!

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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,16:16   

Quote (Febble @ Mar. 05 2012,14:43)
I'd be delighted if someone would like to post a new GA post.

Joe is now in moderation.

Discussing this perhaps? A simple GA mimicking evolution of an 'engineering' solution ... - complex and nothing 'smuggled-in', other than a means of distinguishing 'better' from 'worse' according to the function being selected for (counting out time).

(If I were attempting to persuade ID-ers with it, I would be for editing some of the text with which the simulation is introduced - guaranteed to alienate the target audience with haughty tone!).

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,16:34   

Uh-oh - Elizabeth:
 
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Well, it looks like the WP plug-in writers hadn't envisaged that blog-owners might grant posting rights to people whose comments they might want to moderate, so it's possible that your posts on your own threads may escape my eagle eye.

So I shall have to call on your better nature, Joe G.


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Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,16:38   

It's OK, I think it just applies to his own threads.  I'll draw the Tiktaalik one to a close shortly.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2012,22:59   

Tiktaalik? That guy was rather fishy for a frog! :p

Henry

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2012,22:05   

Looks like with its instant comment promotion, no moderation for adults and respect for both viewpoints, TSZ is killing UD. Shame on you UD, look at what you could have been if you weren't a propaganda machine. Might as well put in for that DI sponsorship now...

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socle



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,14:35   

William J. Murray:
   
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So, when you guys reference the supposedly vast amount of evidence contained in those papers, how many of them have you read? All of them that you are referring to - meaning, all of them, or else how would you know they all agree with NDE, or your particular understanding of it? Have you read "most" of the papers ever published relating to evolutionary biology? Dating back to when?

Careful how you answer, because then the question becomes: why this apparently obsessive compulsion to educate yourself so thoroughly in fields outside of your expertise so that you can independently evaluate research data about NDE? Why is it so important to you?



So if you haven't read "most" of the papers relating to evolutionary biology, you are unqualified to participate in a discussion of the science (as WJM admits to being).  If you have read the evolutionary biology literature extensively, then that is evidence of an "obsessive compulsion".  Brilliant!

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,16:37   

It's "viewpoint equivalence" evolved into "ignorance equivalence"

Teach the no-one understands controversy!

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
eigenstate



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,18:46   

So, I just posted at TSZ, on a thread started by WJM. It didn't immediately show up. Are TSZ posts all moderated, now, or is this up to the thread owner?

I'm registered there, etc. I recall the posting being "immediate" which is cool.

Did this change, anyone know?

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,19:11   

Yes, it changed due to you know who. First posts are moderated. After that it should go smoothly.

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....0

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raguel



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,21:40   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 07 2012,16:37)
It's "viewpoint equivalence" evolved into "ignorance equivalence"

Teach the no-one understands controversy!

I read that, possibly less charitably, as  he doesn't understand how some people find science interesting. It's funny that now that I'm out of college I read more science article than I ever did when I was earning my degree.  (and most of it is on biology, which I found to be dull in high school and in college)


It's a pretty jaw-dropping quote, at any rate.

  
eigenstate



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2012,22:03   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 07 2012,19:11)
Yes, it changed due to you know who. First posts are moderated. After that it should go smoothly.

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....0....wp....0

OK thanks.

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,05:34   

Let me know here if you have any problems.  

I'm sorry it's not as easy to post as it was, but there are already benefits, I think.

ETA: I will release everything except spam, but some things may be sent directly to guano.  So, still no censorship, but some control over the rate and direction of flow :)

Edited by Febble on Mar. 08 2012,05:36

  
Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:32   

Hmmm...I registered an account since I've not done so since the change, and I tried to change my profile picture. No dice. Any hints about how to do that? I selected a .jpg, sized it, and hit save, but the default illustration was not replaced.

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NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,10:11   

Quote (Robin @ Mar. 08 2012,08:32)
Hmmm...I registered an account since I've not done so since the change, and I tried to change my profile picture. No dice. Any hints about how to do that? I selected a .jpg, sized it, and hit save, but the default illustration was not replaced.

I had the same problem; tried several times but nothing showed up so I gave up and closed the browser.  Later when I went to try again, there on my profile was the photo that I thought had failed to load.

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,19:29   



GIGO

Find it on the BW.

Edited by Lou FCD on Mar. 08 2012,20:33

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2012,01:39   

I noticed that TSZ tries to plant LSO (= Flash) cookies. Of course my browser plug-in catches them, I am just wondering why these cookies are necessary.

Otherwise, a great blog - congratz!

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2012,08:24   

For whatever reason, my comment in WJM's thread was marked for moderation after I edited it. Bug?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2012,11:29   

Looks like Joe's given up on TSZ but is posting his own devastating critique on Joenetic Algorithms on his popular blog.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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Seversky



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2012,19:24   

What's up with TSZ?  Anyone else having problems getting in?

  
NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2012,20:49   

Quote (Seversky @ Mar. 12 2012,19:24)
What's up with TSZ?  Anyone else having problems getting in?

Yes, intermittently I get "page not found" errors.

  
Febble



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,03:37   

I'm trying to fix these technical things, but I'm no expert at the back end of servers.  If anyone is, and would like to volunteer as sysadmin I'd be grateful!

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,10:36   

Does increasing CSI inrease William J Murray's pissyness?

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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,06:24   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 13 2012,10:36)
Does increasing CSI inrease William J Murray's pissyness?

If he was chocolate, he'd eat himself!

     
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So, here's the point: unless you can show NS to select more for increased CSI than against increased CSI, you have no basis for the claim that NS adds anything to the search for increased CSI.

OMG, that is such a sweet argument. Short, concise, and perfect. This is why I take the time and effort in forums like this.


(It's a piss-poor argument, crying out for the biological understanding that WJM considers superfluous to the discussion (he's got logic an' stuff), but I haven't the energy to dissect it!)

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