Joined: Oct. 2009
|Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 15 2012,00:00)|
Being a lawyer, you may not have heard of this, but that type of evidence where one person tells what another person told him is called "hearsay" and it's not allowed in court.
|I never said we have the testimony of hundreds of eyewitnesses. I said the record states there were hundreds of eyewitnesses. That record, which was written during the living memory of those who saw the events in question, is the only record we have, and there is no good reason to disregard it. |
Yep, it's just as worthless as the rest of the "evidence".
|A person may choose not to believe it, but it fits very well with all of the other evidence, about which volumes have been filled.|
Read your Bible, Barry. Most of the disciples are barely mentioned before the crucifixion and are never heard from again after it. Stories of their "gruesome deaths" are pius Christian fables. I must agree with you, though: that type of "evidence" does indeed fit very well with all the other evidence and is of very similar quality.
|But perhaps you are one of those people who believe the disciples willingly went to their gruesome deaths when all they had to do to avoid the agony was recant a wicked fable they knew to be a lie. Odd ducks those disciples. Dr. Johnson was quite write; martyrdom is the measure of truth.|
|The thing that gets me about Wikipedia’s sources is that their [sic] second (or even third) hand. This doesn’t mean that they’re not reliable. They may be in most cases. But when explaining that the gospels are eyewitness accounts, I usually get “but they’re unreliable!”|
What’s the difference? The gospels are secondhand accounts, just like an eyewitness account reporting an incident. If one is valid, then so is the other, unless you want to start moving goalposts.
Just because 'second-hand' and 'secondary source' sound similar it does not make them equivalent.
Second Hand: "Someone told me Barry Arrington had allegedly raped a duck."
Secondary Source: Harvard Law Review analysis of the case and verdict as recorded in the transcript of the trial of Barry Arrington on alleged duck rape charges
Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.