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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2012,03:27   

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 28 2012,16:08)
Robert Byers:
 
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No. People think like God and animals donít.
Animals are very dumb and memory maintains any semblance of intelligence in them I think.
They the memory but still canít reflect.


If God thinks like you, Bobby, we're in deep shit.

BWAHAHAHAHA.
With heavyweighter Booby to the resque, a renaissance is about to sweep over UcD and ID. Will the glory of TARD be restored?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2012,13:38   

Nobody's waiting for Lewontin anymore?

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2012,13:58   

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MungOctober 29, 2012 at 8:56 am

The science isnít producing the results they had hoped, so now they attack the religion (as long as it isnít Islam).




Edited by Erasmus, FCD on Oct. 30 2012,11:17

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2012,16:29   

Hmm, something that has probably been present for years, but I noticed this for the first time today. At the bottom of every UD page:

Barry is President of UD? Does anyone recall when he got elected?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,05:24   

SteveStory: †
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Wow. Dembski posts a bunch of misleading anti-green crap, like GM losing $49,000 for every volt sold which is a comically bad misunderstanding of money and numbers, in a post warning about letting ideology interfere with science. How's that for irony?

There's more DembskiMathô in there. †For instance, in the Compact Flourescent Light portion:

† † 3.5B CFLs
† †x †5MG Mercury Each
† †-------
† †17.5 MG

So, in DembskiMath 3,500,000,000 x 5 = 17.5
For some value of 17.5.

Less explicitly Christian math would put that figure at closer to 17,500,000 MG = 38,580 pounds of mercury per year and that is the poundage of toxic waste specified "if disposed of improperly".

He's a little off in the "Green Jobs Debacle" too. †According to DocDoc, a $500 million program generated just 1,336 jobs. †This figure is illustrated with a line of 23 men in hard hats and the caption says each figure represents 100 jobs, for a total of ... 2300 jobs, not 1,336.

A more charitable person than myself would say that's at least more accurate than the Bible's age for the earth and universe. †But still, one of DocDoc's Docs is in math. †You would kind of expect a little better. †Or at least a little less TARDy.

Speaking of the Chevy Volt, thanks to a Tea Party cousin, I get all sorts of right wing emails. †I remember one on the Volt which complained that driving a few hundred miles would cost you over $100.00, which makes me wonder how much his electricity costs and who he gets it from. †My best guess is that he gets it from alkaline D cells.  Or maybe carbon-zinc.

Worse, the guy then complained that once you reached your destination, you'd have to remain over night while you recharged the car's batteries before you headed back. †He was apparently unaware that the Volt also has a gasoline engine.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,05:27   

Denyse has been waiting her entire life to print this headline:


"ĎPenis Wormí Shakes Evolutionary Tree"

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,05:44   

In the "Thomas Nagel and the Quartum Quid" thread, William J. Murray encapsulates ID in a single sentence: † †
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7 Axel †October 26, 2012 at 1:12 pm

ĎAnything is a ďreal possibilityĒ in the mind of one seeking to deny the obvious.í Ė William J Murray.

And Axel loves it:
William J Murray, that is a brilliantly droll epigram! I believe Iíve seen ones of similar quality from you before on here.

And I SIGs it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,08:58   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 29 2012,21:58)
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MungOctober 29, 2012 at 8:56 am

The science isnít producing the results they had hoped, so now they attack the religion (as long as it isnít Islam).



I think even Joe cringes when Mung speaks.

Not that that is worth much.

There does seem to be a Tard crisis going on over there.

UD is obviously not Tard self sufficient I suggest they  import some from Tardizikstan.

I believe that in Tardiziksran they follow the first son of Abraham.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,09:11   

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MungOctober 29, 2012 at 8:56 am

The science isnít producing the results they had hoped, so now they attack the religion (as long as it isnít Islam).



I think even Joe cringes when Mung speaks.

Not that that is worth much.

There does seem to be a Tard crisis going on over there.

UD is obviously not Tard self sufficient I suggest they †import some from Tardizikstan.

I believe that in Tardiziksran they follow the first son of Abraham.

...dipped in tardziki.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,09:58   

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MungOctober 29, 2012 at 8:56 am

The science isnít producing the results they had hoped, so now they attack the religion (as long as it isnít Islam).



I think even Joe cringes when Mung speaks.

Not that that is worth much.

There does seem to be a Tard crisis going on over there.

UD is obviously not Tard self sufficient I suggest they †import some from Tardizikstan.

I believe that in Tardiziksran they follow the first son of Abraham.

...dipped in tardziki.

They need a freaking Tardzilla...

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,10:07   

Yeah we'll be able to tell our grandchildren about the great Tard shortage of 2012.


"Son I remember when smart phones were introduced and stupid men stopped shouting at clouds. Them were the days"

"Oh yeah? Grandpa, was that before you could order a new cloned heart from home?"

"Yup, you couldn't make a clone call in those days"

"Did you have electricity Grandpa?"

"Nup we burned Tards to keep warm"

"Go on Grandpa, what's a Tard?

"A form of fuel son."

"Can you still get it"

"Only from certain historic Blogs son."


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"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,10:17   

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MungOctober 29, 2012 at 8:56 am

The science isnít producing the results they had hoped, so now they attack the religion (as long as it isnít Islam).



I don't read ID but when I do I want to read spluttering and playa hatin on an interview with richard dawkins in playboy that Gordon just *happened* to stumble upon while searching for child porn



OK Which one of you is this fucker

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Kantian NaturalistOctober 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Dawkins is pretty much the worst poster-child for metaphysical naturalism, ever ó heís smug, condescending, and inconsistent. (Not that anyone here would disagree with me ó I just wanted to say that to make clear that he doesnít represent my version of metaphysical naturalism.)




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Robert ByersOctober 29, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Whatís his opinion on the centrefold chick?
Playboy and company should be censored as they are porn.
Itís a immoral enemy of Christianity , manhood, and America.

Knpwís more then fundamentalists about the bible etc??
Nope.


Awwwww booby can science potato



Tell me you don't feel like an asshole for just reading Booby's posts.  There is no way that you can read what that blithering idiot types and not be empirically stupider

this shit will rot your brain boys and girls

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,10:18   

Quote (k.e.. @ Oct. 30 2012,11:07)
Yeah we'll be able to tell our grandchildren about the great Tard shortage of 2012.


"Son I remember when smart phones were introduced and stupid men stopped shouting at clouds. Them were the days"

"Oh yeah? Grandpa, was that before you could order a new cloned heart from home?"

"Yup, you couldn't make a clone call in those days"

"Did you have electricity Grandpa?"

"Nup we burned Tards to keep warm"

"Go on Grandpa, what's a Tard?

"A form of fuel son."

"Can you still get it"

"Only from certain historic Blogs son."

ahh this must be a post-internet world

i like that kinda pr0n

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.†Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,10:25   

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this shit will rot your brain boys and girls


Oh yeah


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"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,10:28   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 30 2012,18:18)
Quote (k.e.. @ Oct. 30 2012,11:07)
Yeah we'll be able to tell our grandchildren about the great Tard shortage of 2012.


"Son I remember when smart phones were introduced and stupid men stopped shouting at clouds. Them were the days"

"Oh yeah? Grandpa, was that before you could order a new cloned heart from home?"

"Yup, you couldn't make a clone call in those days"

"Did you have electricity Grandpa?"

"Nup we burned Tards to keep warm"

"Go on Grandpa, what's a Tard?

"A form of fuel son."

"Can you still get it"

"Only from certain historic Blogs son."

ahh this must be a post-internet world

i like that kinda pr0n

On a smart phone?

You must be ambidextrous

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"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
"Abbie Smith (ERV) who's got to be the most obnoxious arrogant snot I've ever seen except for when I look in a mirror" DAVE TARD
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,10:54   

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MungOctober 29, 2012 at 8:56 am

The science isnít producing the results they had hoped, so now they attack the religion (as long as it isnít Islam).



I don't read ID but when I do I want to read spluttering and playa hatin on an interview with richard dawkins in playboy that Gordon just *happened* to stumble upon while searching for child porn



OK Which one of you is this fucker

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Kantian NaturalistOctober 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Dawkins is pretty much the worst poster-child for metaphysical naturalism, ever ó heís smug, condescending, and inconsistent. (Not that anyone here would disagree with me ó I just wanted to say that to make clear that he doesnít represent my version of metaphysical naturalism.)




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Robert ByersOctober 29, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Whatís his opinion on the centrefold chick?
Playboy and company should be censored as they are porn.
Itís a immoral enemy of Christianity , manhood, and America.

Knpwís more then fundamentalists about the bible etc??
Nope.


Awwwww booby can science potato



Tell me you don't feel like an asshole for just reading Booby's posts. †There is no way that you can read what that blithering idiot types and not be empirically stupider

this shit will rot your brain boys and girls

If he thinks Playboy is porn he ain't seen nothing like what I've seen yet...

He's the one that if justice would prevail should be censored. But we are magnanimous and love our enemies! As The man said, they don't know what they are doing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,11:38   

well in this case booby said that at UD

how funny that no matter where he goes everyone wishes he would step off the pier

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,11:41   

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Robert ByersOctober 29, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Whatís his opinion on the centrefold chick?
Playboy and company should be censored as they are porn.
Itís a immoral enemy of Christianity , manhood, and America.

Knpwís more then fundamentalists about the bible etc??
Nope.

Maybe it's just me, but the thing I find most revolting in Booby's rant - along with the similar rants by folks like Gordo, Harry Barrington, et al - is the arrogant assumption that their concept of right and wrong is not about the choices we should make about our behaviors and lives, but rather that the concept should be used as a basis of behavioral enslavement and punishment. Screw Jesus' teachings concerning how people ought to behave and noting that folks need to choose to behave that way to get in through the narrow gate - naw...that's just a waste of time and and hindrance to actually making heaven on Earth. No...far better to put a gun to everyone's head and pull the trigger on those who don't go along with his idea of this supposed "utopia". We'll force you all to be "good" through torture and hell!

As the Operative in Serenity said, "We're building a better world...all of them...better worlds." To which Mal replied (though not directly), "Hell, I'm going to grant your greatest wish. I'm going to show you a world without sin."

You know what the real immoral enemy of Christianity, manhood, and America is Booby? The human claim of divine authority and the aftermath that follows the enforcement of said righteous vision.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,12:12   

I always read that idiot's ramblings as if it were a letter from his neuron to his other neuron about the way that he wished the world looked and the person he wished he were, but with a melancholy that never goes away because Booby knows two neurons aint much in this world and the shit aint like he wishes it were anyway.

that boy would fuck up an autoerotic asphyxiation

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You're obviously illiterate as hell.†Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,12:40   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 30 2012,10:12)
I always read that idiot's ramblings as if it were a letter from his neuron to his other neuron

No such address.  Return to sender.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,15:09   

Just noticed this one ...



For once I can agree with the UD moderator. †In actual fact, I have the exact same thought about almost 100% of batshit's link farm spam!

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Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,17:16   

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SteveStory: † †
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Wow. Dembski posts a bunch of misleading anti-green crap, like GM losing $49,000 for every volt sold which is a comically bad misunderstanding of money and numbers, in a post warning about letting ideology interfere with science. How's that for irony?

There's more DembskiMathô in there. †For instance, in the Compact Flourescent Light portion:

† † 3.5B CFLs
† †x †5MG Mercury Each
† †-------
† †17.5 MG

So, in DembskiMath 3,500,000,000 x 5 = 17.5
For some value of 17.5.

Less explicitly Christian math would put that figure at closer to 17,500,000 MG = 38,580 pounds of mercury per year and that is the poundage of toxic waste specified "if disposed of improperly".

[...]

For Dembski, that error isn't so large:

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Operation: Error in dembskis(17.5,17500000000)
? = |ln(17.5) - ln(17500000000)| / 150 = 0.13815510557964


ETA: Of course, one or the other of us is off by a factor of 1,000 in getting the "3.5B * 5" figure done. That scale of error would be 0.046 dembskis.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 30 2012,17:22

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,19:03   

Any scientific questions?
 
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This origin of intelligence theory explains the emergent origin of biological diversity and complexity of life on Earth (and detection of these features elsewhere in our Universe) as a product of intelligence, which here self-assembles from nonrandom behavior of matter into multiple self-similar levels of a four requirement cognitive system that over time learns (no select/selected/selection generalizations) and can take a guess (not take a mutation) and physically develops over a lifetime that for molecular intelligence lasts at least billions of years (hence the word evolve became redundant). The theory's unambiguous logical construct allowed for an operational definition for biological species that builds upon the standard accepted operational definition for chemical species, used in chemistry. This unified entire sciences such as Cognitive Theory, Cell Theory, Genetic Theory and Physics Theory including concepts from String Theory. And one requirement of this inherently controlling cognitive mechanism is a confidence level we consciously feel, which is vital to account for, for the theory to also be useful to artists, musicians, clergy and all interested in better knowing who and what we are, how we were created, and by process known as "chromosomal speciation" are related to a progenitor couple hereby colloquially named "Chromosomal Adam and Eve".

Theory Of Intelligent Design - Download

Free Intelligence Design Lab:


http://www.planetsourcecode.com/vb....n....ngWId=1

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,20:14   

A new chewing toy has arrived.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,20:21   

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A new chewing toy has arrived.

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No posts.


Geez, they're just phoning it in now.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,20:40   

Gary, I saw this in a conversation you had online:

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Control Of Krebs Cycle By Molecular Intelligence

In living things molecular intelligence is seen controlling what self-assembles from the powerful Krebs Cycle that has become the core metabolic cycle of cells. It is the power plant and factory where a dozen or so catalytic molecules (protein, mineral or other) are drawn to metabolic pathway assembly lines that makes a copy of the molecule it started with every time around the circle. It does this by adding a non-chiral (structurally identical) mirror image of the starting molecule then when the cycle is completed it breaks in half resulting in two identical copies.



At any stage through the assembly cycle a molecule of proper fit may be drawn by molecular forces into a nearby self-assembly interaction to where it fits. At least part of the Reverse Krebs Cycle is catalyzed by volcanic clay/dust/mineral in sunlight making it possible that the cycle was once common planetary chemistry.[11][12]

Where there is no molecular intelligence present the Krebs Cycle would not be able to produce cells and exist regardless of molecular intelligence being present or not to control it. A rudimentary intelligence may actually be challenged to keep up with its production rate but not necessarily be destroyed by periods of overproduction.

Intelligence to exploit this cycle could easily form in its local environment. Once active it would have little problem controlling this existing metabolism. We can here predict self-assembly of a precellular starter mechanism that produces a genome from scratch, instead of a genome first being required to produce this intelligence.


Elsewhere, you've said that you are revising your text constantly. Is this the latest stable text that you have about the citric acid cycle?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,20:59   

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Gary, I saw this in a conversation you had online:

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Control Of Krebs Cycle By Molecular Intelligence

In living things molecular intelligence is seen controlling what self-assembles from the powerful Krebs Cycle that has become the core metabolic cycle of cells. It is the power plant and factory where a dozen or so catalytic molecules (protein, mineral or other) are drawn to metabolic pathway assembly lines that makes a copy of the molecule it started with every time around the circle. It does this by adding a non-chiral (structurally identical) mirror image of the starting molecule then when the cycle is completed it breaks in half resulting in two identical copies.



At any stage through the assembly cycle a molecule of proper fit may be drawn by molecular forces into a nearby self-assembly interaction to where it fits. At least part of the Reverse Krebs Cycle is catalyzed by volcanic clay/dust/mineral in sunlight making it possible that the cycle was once common planetary chemistry.[11][12]

Where there is no molecular intelligence present the Krebs Cycle would not be able to produce cells and exist regardless of molecular intelligence being present or not to control it. A rudimentary intelligence may actually be challenged to keep up with its production rate but not necessarily be destroyed by periods of overproduction.

Intelligence to exploit this cycle could easily form in its local environment. Once active it would have little problem controlling this existing metabolism. We can here predict self-assembly of a precellular starter mechanism that produces a genome from scratch, instead of a genome first being required to produce this intelligence.


Elsewhere, you've said that you are revising your text constantly. Is this the latest stable text that you have about the citric acid cycle?

Due to the extreme amount of work putting this theory together (and its politics) I only have time and resources for what most matters to science.  Here's my latest project:  

http://www.biology-online.org/biology....p146133

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,21:45   

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Gary, I saw this in a conversation you had online:

 
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Control Of Krebs Cycle By Molecular Intelligence

In living things molecular intelligence is seen controlling what self-assembles from the powerful Krebs Cycle that has become the core metabolic cycle of cells. It is the power plant and factory where a dozen or so catalytic molecules (protein, mineral or other) are drawn to metabolic pathway assembly lines that makes a copy of the molecule it started with every time around the circle. It does this by adding a non-chiral (structurally identical) mirror image of the starting molecule then when the cycle is completed it breaks in half resulting in two identical copies.



At any stage through the assembly cycle a molecule of proper fit may be drawn by molecular forces into a nearby self-assembly interaction to where it fits. At least part of the Reverse Krebs Cycle is catalyzed by volcanic clay/dust/mineral in sunlight making it possible that the cycle was once common planetary chemistry.[11][12]

Where there is no molecular intelligence present the Krebs Cycle would not be able to produce cells and exist regardless of molecular intelligence being present or not to control it. A rudimentary intelligence may actually be challenged to keep up with its production rate but not necessarily be destroyed by periods of overproduction.

Intelligence to exploit this cycle could easily form in its local environment. Once active it would have little problem controlling this existing metabolism. We can here predict self-assembly of a precellular starter mechanism that produces a genome from scratch, instead of a genome first being required to produce this intelligence.


Elsewhere, you've said that you are revising your text constantly. Is this the latest stable text that you have about the citric acid cycle?

Due to the extreme amount of work putting this theory together (and its politics) I only have time and resources for what most matters to science. †Here's my latest project: †

http://www.biology-online.org/biology....p146133

That doesn't have anything to do with the citric acid cycle.

So let's put it another way: Is your statement that I quoted above about the citric acid cycle something that you feel is defensible? Or are you saying that it isn't, but you've been too busy to retract it?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,23:23   

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requirement of this inherently controlling cognitive mechanism is a confidence level we consciously feel


Have you met timecube, Gary?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2012,23:33   

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