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[quote=Ftk,Mar. 23 2012,15:40][/quote]
|ok...link one...nothing in there stating Santorum would turn the nation into a Christian theocracy.|
Your inability to comprehend Santorum's statement is noted. I'll provide the relevant quote here and note Santorum's mistake that illustrates his agenda:
|“He is imposing his values on a church that has theological reasons for, and moral reasons for not allowing this type of care to be given through their institutions.”|
The problem - as Santorum later realizes and attempts to correct - is that Obama is a Christian. So to accuse Obama of imposing his values on the Church is stating that somehow Obama's Christian values are not appropriate for the church. And as he earlier noted,
|"The Catholic church has a theology that says this is wrong, and he’s saying no I’ve got a different, I’ve got a different – you may want to call it a theology, you may want to call it secular values, whatever you want to call it, it’s a different moral values. And the president of the United States is exercising his values and trumping the values of the church."|
So here he is stating that President Obama is imposing his non-church values on the United States. And this is, in Santorum's opinion, WRONG. So, this is no different than Santorum stating that he (Santorum) disagrees with Obama's "secular values", but that he would make sure to impose the Catholic Church values on the United States. That would be a theocracy.
|Link two....laughable. They take one sentence from him and then they write a whole article literally putting words and thoughts into his mouth and mind. Freaking truly unbelievable. |
Apparently you failed to read the money quote:
|"I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country,” said Santorum.|
There's not quotemine here nor is anyone putting words in Santorum's mouth. He's quite upfront in stating that he does not accept the First Amendment's - and more specifically Thomas Jefferson's - separation of church and state. He straightforwardly believes that church values should be used to influence executive, legislative, and judicial actions. He's not even being coy about it. That's a theocratic position, FtK.
|The other links seem to be coming from "right wing watch". Are you fer real? I'll read them, but these are the sites *looking* to create insanity....they feed off it.|
Both sides have these type of fear mongering, crazy rhetoric sites. You can find some truth at them, but then they twist and contort just to get people worked up to side with their own hatred. That's one reason why I don't read World Net Daily anymore. They've just gone too far with a lot of things they write.
I posted them for Santorum's quotes. All that matters to me is showing what Santorum thinks. Santorum's speech is there in it's entirety. He believes that the United States is under attack by forces for Satan and that this needs to be fought - culturally, academically, and politically. That would be theocratic thinking.
The last link I provided goes to a speech Santorum made saying the creationism should be taught in science class. This is the prime example of theocratic thinking - that God and discussion of "God's creation" not just belong in our schools, but are scientific areas of discussion. This is the very definition of the imposition of specific (Christian) theology on methodological learning. Sorry FtK, but that doesn't wash. Creationism has been specifically banned by the Supreme Court of the US as being unconstitutional to teach as factually accurate in the public education system. Why? Not only is such a subject not science, it would be the endorsement of one particular religious opinion over all other religious opinions. Santorum is ok with that - and that's a theocratic stance.
|Side note here: I'm not a Santorum backer....in fact, I'm out this election. I want no part of it, and I really don't care if that makes me a bad American, Christian or whatever.|
Well that's up to you of course. It's disappointing that you you don't care what your involvement (or lack there of) imparts on the nation as a whole, but then again this nation would not be what it is if you did not have the right to hold that view and that stance. So more power to you.
Just keep in mind that if folks like Santorum get further into politics and gain more influence, you may one day lose your right to civil disinterest and inaction.
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