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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,07:24   

For the most part, creationists fall into two camps. Slightly daffy Old Earth Creationists (Dembski, Behe) and batshit crazy Young Earth Creationists (Salvador, AFDave). An exception to the rule is Paul Nelson, a YEC who can actually string two coherent sentences together (one of them may be a lie, but that's beside the point). I don't care how Salvador and AFDave justify their beliefs, they're idiots. But Paul Nelson is not as dumb as they are. I'd like to know how he justifies being a YEC despite all the evidence. I haven't had much luck finding where he defends this. Can anyone point me to where he explains how he can be a YEC?

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,09:03   

I think you'll have to wait until he publishes that "thesis" he's been promising for what, ten years now?

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jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,10:34   

Who was the YEC who build his ID hypothesis on good and bad angels?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,12:34   

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But Paul Nelson is not as dumb as they are. I'd like to know how he justifies being a YEC despite all the evidence.
It's called being very religious. His grandfather was also a famous YEC so that can't have helped.

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Can anyone point me to where he explains how he can be a YEC?
He doesn't talk about it much, he mostly concentrates on attacking naturalism.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,12:44   

Nelson said he'd mail me a print copy of some book chapter he wrote about YEC, but I'm trying to find some easy digital info.

   
Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2006,13:00   

He wrote an essay for this book. I don't think he's written anything on the net about it.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,07:40   

HAPPY PAUL NELSON DAY!

In honor of this, the 5th year aniversary of Paul Nelson's "I'll get back top you with evidence tomorrow",

PZ and John Lynch at SciBlogs have posted about what else we can do - Ask For Evidence and How Do You Know That?

Well Paul?  We're waiting...

PZ Waiting For Paul

Happy Paul Nelson Day - With Picture

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,08:10   

Happy Paul Nelson day to all!

may your day be full of religious crap and nonsense! I for one dig that a lot!

Tard, like Hope...

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,09:56   

So, here's a guy, Nelson, who has studied evolution for decades.  He even co-authored a book called Exploring Evolution (of all things!)

Some years ago he was being interviewed and the interviewer asked something like "What would it take you, Paul, to be convinced that the theory of evolution is correct."

Paul replied that he had a list of seven or nine things that if demonstrated would convince him.

Excitedly, the interviewer asked, "What are they?"

And, amazingly, Paul replied that he left the list in his hotel room.  OK, well, since he's studied this for decades and written a book on the subject couldn't he remember one or two of the points.

Nope.  "Ah forgits mah list and haz no mammaries uv it."

What is it, pathetic or pathological?

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,11:07   

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 07 2009,07:56)
Paul replied that he had a list of seven or nine things that if demonstrated would convince him.

Excitedly, the interviewer asked, "What are they?"

And, amazingly, Paul replied that he left the list in his hotel room. †OK, well, since he's studied this for decades and written a book on the subject couldn't he remember one or two of the points.

1.  God appears to him in a vision and tells him that evolution is true.

2.  Paleontologists find fossilised remains of every single organism which ever lived, and molecular biologists determine precise step-by-step evolutionary pathways for every biochemical and anatomical system.

3.  Behe sees "Evolution is true.  Signed: God"  inscribed on a bacterial flagellum.

4.  The Rapture occurs.  Ken Miller is taken up.  Dembski, Nelson and Wells are Left Behind.

5.  In an elegantly argued, beautifully crafted article, Denyse O'Leary convinces him of the error of his ways.

6.  Uncommon Descent introduces a grown-up moderation policy.  The case for creationism goes down in flames in a few hours.

7.  Darwin's time machine, which he used to go back to the fifteenth century and drive the Jews out Spain, is found.  Nelson uses it to go back to the Cambrian, and learns that the explosion happened without divine guidance.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,11:53   

Quote (JohnW @ April 07 2009,11:07)
Quote (Doc Bill @ April 07 2009,07:56)
Paul replied that he had a list of seven or nine things that if demonstrated would convince him.

Excitedly, the interviewer asked, "What are they?"

And, amazingly, Paul replied that he left the list in his hotel room. †OK, well, since he's studied this for decades and written a book on the subject couldn't he remember one or two of the points.

1. †God appears to him in a vision and tells him that evolution is true.

2. †Paleontologists find fossilised remains of every single organism which ever lived, and molecular biologists determine precise step-by-step evolutionary pathways for every biochemical and anatomical system.

3. †Behe sees "Evolution is true. †Signed: God" †inscribed on a bacterial flagellum.

4. †The Rapture occurs. †Ken Miller is taken up. †Dembski, Nelson and Wells are Left Behind.

5. †In an elegantly argued, beautifully crafted article, Denyse O'Leary convinces him of the error of his ways.

6. †Uncommon Descent introduces a grown-up moderation policy. †The case for creationism goes down in flames in a few hours.

7. †Darwin's time machine, which he used to go back to the fifteenth century and drive the Jews out Spain, is found. †Nelson uses it to go back to the Cambrian, and learns that the explosion happened without divine guidance.

roflmao that's great.  and not, i suspect, far from the truth.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,12:13   

Quote (JohnW @ April 07 2009,11:07)
Quote (Doc Bill @ April 07 2009,07:56)
Paul replied that he had a list of seven or nine things that if demonstrated would convince him.

Excitedly, the interviewer asked, "What are they?"

And, amazingly, Paul replied that he left the list in his hotel room. †OK, well, since he's studied this for decades and written a book on the subject couldn't he remember one or two of the points.

1. †God appears to him in a vision and tells him that evolution is true.

2. †Paleontologists find fossilised remains of every single organism which ever lived, and molecular biologists determine precise step-by-step evolutionary pathways for every biochemical and anatomical system.

3. †Behe sees "Evolution is true. †Signed: God" †inscribed on a bacterial flagellum.

4. †The Rapture occurs. †Ken Miller is taken up. †Dembski, Nelson and Wells are Left Behind.

5. †In an elegantly argued, beautifully crafted article, Denyse O'Leary convinces him of the error of his ways.

6. †Uncommon Descent introduces a grown-up moderation policy. †The case for creationism goes down in flames in a few hours.

7. †Darwin's time machine, which he used to go back to the fifteenth century and drive the Jews out Spain, is found. †Nelson uses it to go back to the Cambrian, and learns that the explosion happened without divine guidance.

8.  When Hell freezes over.

9.  Immediately after Dembski wins a Nobel Prize, and Denyse a Pullitzer.

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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,12:15   

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9.  Immediately after Dembski wins a Nobel Prize, and Denyse a Pullitzer.


I don't want to live in that universe.

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Shirley Knott



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,13:28   

Don't worry, you don't.

no hugs for thugs,
Shirley Knott

  
silverspoon



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,16:26   

Paul canít be bothered with providing a detailed explanation for ontogenetic depth. Heís too busy fighting the good fight against presenting the reptile to mammal transition illustrations without it being mentioned they are different sizes. He probably thinks house cats & lions canít be related because their size difference is so great.

Happy coming out of obscurity day Paul. Youíll be as obscure tomorrow as you were yesterday.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: April 08 2009,10:05   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 07 2009,19:53)
Quote (JohnW @ April 07 2009,11:07)
Quote (Doc Bill @ April 07 2009,07:56)
Paul replied that he had a list of seven or nine things that if demonstrated would convince him.

Excitedly, the interviewer asked, "What are they?"

And, amazingly, Paul replied that he left the list in his hotel room. †OK, well, since he's studied this for decades and written a book on the subject couldn't he remember one or two of the points.

1. †God appears to him in a vision and tells him that evolution is true.

2. †Paleontologists find fossilised remains of every single organism which ever lived, and molecular biologists determine precise step-by-step evolutionary pathways for every biochemical and anatomical system.

3. †Behe sees "Evolution is true. †Signed: God" †inscribed on a bacterial flagellum.

4. †The Rapture occurs. †Ken Miller is taken up. †Dembski, Nelson and Wells are Left Behind.

5. †In an elegantly argued, beautifully crafted article, Denyse O'Leary convinces him of the error of his ways.

6. †Uncommon Descent introduces a grown-up moderation policy. †The case for creationism goes down in flames in a few hours.

7. †Darwin's time machine, which he used to go back to the fifteenth century and drive the Jews out Spain, is found. †Nelson uses it to go back to the Cambrian, and learns that the explosion happened without divine guidance.

roflmao that's great. †and not, i suspect, far from the truth.

How about

111one!!: Dave Tard discovers cancer cure for dogs, commits blogo-side and retires to mushroom ranch.

Tw12: Dembski wakes up in parallel universe and finds a Darwinist "illegal immigrant" is running USA, walks out of the DI and slouches back to sunday school.

3teen: Denze checks into convent for tard tranzies and confirms virginity in English.

!4: Berlinski discovers limit and re-enters singular person.

ONE5: Luskin ...meh

SexQueen: BarryA declares speech "not free" appreciating  tard-coinage only currency acceptable.

SexQueen plus !: Gonzo Jamaican weasel and his trusty sidekick give themselves then each other blowjobs in puplick on UD latching new record for weasels.

SexQueen double plus one: Home run for science in Texas, extra points for DI screwing supporters.

19: Sal's second comming at UD.

20: Creationist Tard enters lexicon.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 08 2009,11:55   

I'm all for #20!

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,08:17   

Just to make it clear, what I had in mind was Paul Nelson.

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Daevans



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,05:31   

Quote (BWE @ Feb. 23 2010,05:24)
jon, I like the cut of your jib but you are just here to whine. Can you at least take a time out at being mad at other people because they don't want to hear your ideas any more?

Try to be decent for a day or 2 and see haw it is. Y'now, baby steps, right?

That is wonderful. I guess anyone who denies your failed hypothesis will be accused of being Professor Davison. The problem is staring you right in your eyes. The inability to accept the evidence. Hate it as much as you like but creative evolution is a phenomenon of the distant past and, like ontogeny, was always emergent and autoregulated with little reference to the environment.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,08:18   

OK, this is entertaining, but I think it is time to give it its own thread, unless people want to get back to Paul Nelson's claims as a topic.

ETA: I've left the DAEvans off-topic comment just above here since I managed to delete the copy of it in the new thread.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 23 2010,13:31

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,11:16   

I agree Wes, I suggest pruning.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2010,12:35   

I used the "split topic" script and got a new topic established for the discussion that is off-topic here. I'll be deleting the posts from this thread that are now duplicated or which continue with the off-topic discussion here.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 06 2010,23:01   

Happy Paul Nelson Day!

Here's a blast from the past:

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Paul A. Nelson | March 29, 2004 6:08 AM

Quick note Ė Iím drafting an omnibus reply (to points raised here and in Shaliziís commentary), with title and epigraph from a Rolling Stones song. Iíll post it tomorrow.


That was the Paul Nelson promising a reply to questions about the genetics of some guy named Otto.

Basically, Paul said, "Take my wife.  Please!" and promised to have better material in the morning, er, after the weekend, rather, in a couple of weeks or years or so.

Yesterday Paul published the latest and greatest on Evo Whine and Dyne amounting to the following:

Warning!  New material follows from Paul Nelson -

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Take my wife.  Please!


Yes, that's it after six years.  I think Paul's after Dembski's record of having done nothing in 10 years or maybe he's going for the gold standard of Behe and 25 years.

Go, Paul, go!  We're all pulling for you, although so far you've done a great job of pulling it yourself.

  
MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2010,02:25   

Is it Happy Paul Nelson day or Merry Paul Nelson day?

  
Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2010,05:41   

Quote (MichaelJ @ April 07 2010,03:25)
Is it Happy Paul Nelson day or Merry Paul Nelson day?

Nelson's Greetings!

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2010,08:02   

Even The REAL Nelson laughs at Paul Nelson!




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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2010,11:49   

Quote (Wolfhound @ April 07 2010,03:41)
Quote (MichaelJ @ April 07 2010,03:25)
Is it Happy Paul Nelson day or Merry Paul Nelson day?

Nelson's Greetings!

Io Nelsonalia!

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2010,13:00   

As somebody once said (or perhaps bellowed?) (more or less), "one of these days, Dr. Nelson. One of these days...".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2010,18:45   

Coffee!

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PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2010,20:25   

Paul Nelson sez:

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Like most ID theorists with a background in evolutionary theory, Iím as much ó probably more, in fact, given the embryonic state of ID theory ó a student of evolution.


John McCain sez:

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I am not a maverick.  I've never been a maverick.


Both statements are so mind-numbingly, transparently stupid attempts to rewrite history that you'd think they were written by Casey Luskin!

Pay attention, TP.  If you want to be a True Bullshit artist you have no better mentor than our Paul.

Congratulations, Paul, you have certainly piled it higher and deeper!

  
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