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sledgehammer



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2012,17:38   

Quote (sparc @ Jan. 19 2012,21:16)
It is quite long, not new but does anybody understand the comments from the audience during Robert Marks' talk on information, genetic algortims, Avida and weasel?

I suspect it is another manifestation of Bob Marks' juvenile sense of humor. †He is not giving this lecture to a live audience, so he's probably filling in what he imagines is going through the minds of his target audience. †If so, he obviously doesn't think much of the intellectual capabilities of his audience, or maybe those are the thoughts that go through his mind.
It kind of follows along the lines of those disturbing drawings of "people" that he populates his slides with. †I have a very hard time looking at those. The artwork is so starkly ugly, they remind me of adolescent male pen-and-ink doodling. †And then he puts the same cartoon on several successive slides, like he's proud to show them off. †They make me wince, and want to look away.

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The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein †(H/T, JAD)
If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2012,20:45   

David Klinghoffer is upset about NCSE almost adding Peter Gleick to the NCSE Board of Directors.

He lays it on pretty thick for a guy fronting an organization that has paid a salary to Casey Luskin for years now.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2012,21:46   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 22 2012,18:45)
David Klinghoffer is upset about NCSE almost adding Peter Gleick to the NCSE Board of Directors.

He lays it on pretty thick for a guy fronting an organization that has paid a salary to Casey Luskin for years now.

Casey forgives you for that comment, Wes.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2012,21:46   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 22 2012,20:45)
David Klinghoffer is upset about NCSE almost adding Peter Gleick to the NCSE Board of Directors.

He lays it on pretty thick for a guy fronting an organization that has paid a salary to Casey Luskin for years now.

Hmmm. "Gleick" also sounds pretty German, which is what Hitler was*

http://scienceandcreation.blogspot.com/2010....at.html

*Almost.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2012,23:45   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 22 2012,20:45)
David Klinghoffer is upset about NCSE almost adding Peter Gleick to the NCSE Board of Directors.

He lays it on pretty thick for a guy fronting an organization that has paid a salary to Casey Luskin for years now.

Leaking strategy memos is just awful - people might find out what you are up to! †Where could I look for an example? †Could it be.... SATAN?

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"Following what I just wrote about fitness, youíre taking refuge in what we see in the world." †PaV

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2012,00:20   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 22 2012,21:46)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 22 2012,20:45)
David Klinghoffer is upset about NCSE almost adding Peter Gleick to the NCSE Board of Directors.

He lays it on pretty thick for a guy fronting an organization that has paid a salary to Casey Luskin for years now.

Hmmm. "Gleick" also sounds pretty German, which is what Hitler was*

http://scienceandcreation.blogspot.com/2010.......at.html

*Almost.

I followed your link: Whatever this guy claims to be, he can't be a True Christian ô.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2012,23:42   

Stop the presses:
Granville Sewell censored!
AGAIN!!!


Bob Lloyd of Trinity College Dublin debunked Sewell's oft-repeated several times self-plagiarized claims regarding the second law in his article: † † †  
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Is There Any Conflict Between Evolution and the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

Sewell's arguments have been shredded
time and again before before. However, Lloyd dared to publish his work in The Mathematical Intelligencer (Volume 34, Number 1 (2012), 29-33) thus in the very same journal Sewell sneaked the first version of his article in and the editors refused to publish Sewell's reponse.

On a side note: Is it really a good idea to attack a journal run by the same publisher who is currently re-reviewing Biological Information: New Perspectives in which Sewell is repeating his claims.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2012,20:34   

Where does the DI get these yahoos?

Stephen Batzer writes:
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Jerry Coyne, in his polemic Why Evolution is True, scoffs at those 91 percent who find his analysis unconvincing. He writes, "True, breeders haven't turned a cat into a dog, and laboratory studies haven't turned a bacterium into an amoeba ... but it is foolish to think that these are serious objections to natural selection."

Of course these are, in fact, serious objections; Dr. Coyne doesn't get to choose what data is and isn't objectionable to others. Major speciation via undirected processes is the crux of the Darwinian narrative. If it can't be replicated, this objection is an example of what logicians call a "defeater." If you, an intelligent actor using skill, can't breed a cat into a different genera [sic], then presumably and reasonably nature can't do this either.


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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2012,08:29   

Another "Darwin on Trial" mechanical engineer from Arkansas, aka future DI senior fellow.

  
Starbuck



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2012,13:57   

<a href="">These guys</a> aren't even trying to hide their creationism anymore.

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With the appearance of Homo erectus, though, many traits changed all at once. Below the neck, these hominins were virtually indistinguishable from a modern human. Their legs, lumbar spine, arms, shoulder girdle, pelvis and hips, rib cage and feet now were those of a long-distance runner with an efficient well-balanced gait


How efficient? And what the hell is a "well-balanced gait"? The features that would have made H. erectus good endurance runners did not appear all at once.  We see some of these features in earlier hominins such as H.
habilis.  But they first appear as a total package in H. erectus.

  
Starbuck



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2012,13:58   

Messed that up. Referring to here http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012....91.html

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2012,14:31   

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The story of our own journey to upright bipedalism, as recorded in the fossil record, is discontinuous.


It would seem she's on board with common descent for humans - if that's Gauger's actual position she's a lot closer to us than the rest of the ID crowd.

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2012,16:00   

Barham's latest post, cross-posted between ENV and TBS, prompts me to say that TBS has joined the DI link farm.

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2012,17:22   

Quote (Starbuck @ May 31 2012,13:57)
<a href="">These guys</a> aren't even trying to hide their creationism anymore.

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With the appearance of Homo erectus, though, many traits changed all at once. Below the neck, these hominins were virtually indistinguishable from a modern human. Their legs, lumbar spine, arms, shoulder girdle, pelvis and hips, rib cage and feet now were those of a long-distance runner with an efficient well-balanced gait


How efficient? And what the hell is a "well-balanced gait"? The features that would have made H. erectus good endurance runners did not appear all at once. †We see some of these features in earlier hominins such as H.
habilis. †But they first appear as a total package in H. erectus.

Yes, and what the hell does
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Faith the Dog is not evidence for the ability to evolve bipedalism, she is evidence for achievement in the face of adversity.
have to do with anything?

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Australopithecine fossils were ape-like in posture and gait. Their ribcage, hips, legs, spine, and feet were closer to chimp than human. While these hominins may have spent some time on the ground, they were not built for speed or running.


So Australopithicines contain some traits linking them to the common ancestor of chimps and humans, and some traits linking it to later Homo? This is called, unless I am mistaken, a transitional fossil.

Luskin has been flogging the same two articles Gauger cited for years, guess he was indisposed and let Ann have a chance to misunderstand them...

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FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2012,21:05   

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This is called, unless I am mistaken, a transitional fossil.
Really. You will have to admit that it is flanked by gaps on both sides. ;)

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2012,03:23   

Quote (keiths @ May 30 2012,20:34)
Where does the DI get these yahoos?

Stephen Batzer writes:
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Jerry Coyne, in his polemic Why Evolution is True, scoffs at those 91 percent who find his analysis unconvincing. He writes, "True, breeders haven't turned a cat into a dog, and laboratory studies haven't turned a bacterium into an amoeba ... but it is foolish to think that these are serious objections to natural selection."

Of course these are, in fact, serious objections; Dr. Coyne doesn't get to choose what data is and isn't objectionable to others. Major speciation via undirected processes is the crux of the Darwinian narrative. If it can't be replicated, this objection is an example of what logicians call a "defeater." If you, an intelligent actor using skill, can't breed a cat into a different genera [sic], then presumably and reasonably nature can't do this either.

Why not go the whole hog and demand a crocoduck?

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2012,03:27   

Quote (dvunkannon @ May 31 2012,16:00)
Barham's latest post, cross-posted between ENV and TBS, prompts me to say that TBS has joined the DI link farm.

Pathetic incest - sending their readers back and forth between blogs might increase the traffic but not the actual amount of followers.

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Barry Arrington is a bitch.

  
Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2012,13:42   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 01 2012,03:23)
Quote (keiths @ May 30 2012,20:34)
Where does the DI get these yahoos?

Stephen Batzer writes:
†  
Quote
Jerry Coyne, in his polemic Why Evolution is True, scoffs at those 91 percent who find his analysis unconvincing. He writes, "True, breeders haven't turned a cat into a dog, and laboratory studies haven't turned a bacterium into an amoeba ... but it is foolish to think that these are serious objections to natural selection."

Of course these are, in fact, serious objections; Dr. Coyne doesn't get to choose what data is and isn't objectionable to others. Major speciation via undirected processes is the crux of the Darwinian narrative. If it can't be replicated, this objection is an example of what logicians call a "defeater." If you, an intelligent actor using skill, can't breed a cat into a different genera [sic], then presumably and reasonably nature can't do this either.

Why not go the whole hog and demand a crocoduck?

And if a ducodile is discovered, evolution (which predikts crocoduck) is teh disproved!

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"Following what I just wrote about fitness, youíre taking refuge in what we see in the world." †PaV

"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

"We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2012,13:35   

Hey kids!

http://www.facebook.com/discove....verycsc

It's Facebook, so I'm not sure they can suppress comments as they do on their own sites.

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Iím referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter
Iím not an evolutionist, Iím a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

  
Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2012,14:08   

Quote (dvunkannon @ June 06 2012,13:35)
Hey kids!

http://www.facebook.com/discove....verycsc

It's Facebook, so I'm not sure they can suppress comments as they do on their own sites.

This kind of says it all:

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Center for Science & Culture
1,310 likes ∑ 37 talking about this ∑ 2 were here


Anyway to "unlike"?

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed. †Bilbo

The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

  
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2012,14:09   

And right at the top the "Donate" button.
AFAIK you can block persons.

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Barry Arrington is a bitch.

  
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,08:31   

Quote (dvunkannon @ June 06 2012,11:35)
Hey kids!

http://www.facebook.com/discove....verycsc

It's Facebook, so I'm not sure they can suppress comments as they do on their own sites.

Damn, I looked at that page and a bunch of my brain cells committed suicide. There's a lot more tard there than should be allowed by law.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,10:06   

So ID has a Facebook page.....Waterloo!

Is anyone else reminded of Dembski's typically tragic †clarion call from the good old days?

http://tinyurl.com/c7zojm8....c7zojm8



Student activism, eh?

Hey, let's pay a visit to the front line of a bona-fide social, scientific and cultural revolution....

Here's MySpace - surely an ongoing hot-bed of radical ID thought....



2007? It has indeed been a while!

Ahh....never mind. Surely XANGA will blow us away with the sheer weight of enthusiasm for the promised cultural renewal....



Mmmm....I know, LiveJournal. Ah, yes. Where else would we find the white hot core of a revolution but at LiveJournal?



Fuck. Well, what about BlogSpot.....



:(

Oh, William.

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,20:40   

Someone get Woodbine a PotW pronto.

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"Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr

  
sledgehammer



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,20:49   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 07 2012,18:40)
Someone get Woodbine a PotW pronto.

Segundoded!

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The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein †(H/T, JAD)
If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

  
NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,21:17   

Quote (sledgehammer @ June 07 2012,20:49)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 07 2012,18:40)
Someone get Woodbine a PotW pronto.

Segundoded!



Oh yeah, it's lame I know, but it's still POTW! †Err, anyway, where's Kattarina98 when you need her?

  
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,01:13   

Quote (NormOlsen @ June 07 2012,21:17)
Oh yeah, it's lame I know, but it's still POTW! †Err, anyway, where's Kattarina98 when you need her?

Right here to join the public demand for POTW for Woodbine; he must have an exhaustive archive of TARD.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,03:44   

Quote (Woodbine @ June 07 2012,10:06)
Is anyone else reminded of Dembski's typically tragic †clarion call from the good old days?

At the time (IIRC) I looked into who created/registered those and IIRC IDEA clubs. It turned out to be the same person, Mario something, who has been active in ID for a long time.

So just more astroturfing...

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,06:11   

Wasn't Mario their IT guy for a while?  Also haven't heard from Anika "the tank" Smith for a while. I guess they finally found real jobs. Too bad about Luskin.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,09:45   

Quote (Doc Bill @ June 08 2012,04:11)
Wasn't Mario their IT guy for a while? †Also haven't heard from Anika "the tank" Smith for a while. I guess they finally found real jobs. Too bad about Luskin.

Hannah Maxson, Mark Hausam... man, those were the days, hey?

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"But it's disturbing to think someone actually thinks creationism -- having put it's hand on the hot stove every day for the last 400 years -- will get a different result tomorrow." -- midwifetoad

  
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