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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,12:54   

Quote (darvolution proponentsist @ Jan. 12 2011,09:53)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 12 2011,08:14)
Well, I guess it's not Tooooooo bad.  At least he put "expert" in scare quotes where it belongs.

Luskin studied the fossil record EXTENSIVELY????


Bwahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  What a total, fucking liar.


Hi Casey !  BTW, someonething is looking for you ...

http://www.youtube.com/user/LuskinsConscience

Cool!  I hadn't seen this before, but it was excellent and well worth the time and fun of viewing the DI Takedown.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,16:01   

Quote (darvolution proponentsist @ Jan. 12 2011,09:53)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 12 2011,08:14)
Well, I guess it's not Tooooooo bad.  At least he put "expert" in scare quotes where it belongs.

Luskin studied the fossil record EXTENSIVELY????


Bwahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!  What a total, fucking liar.


Hi Casey !  BTW, someonething is looking for you ...

http://www.youtube.com/user/LuskinsConscience

Casey's bolted.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,17:50   

Casey has learned a modicum of self-preservation when he detects he's about to be buried under a shit storm.

Luskin is such a jackass.  He started to downplay the whole credential thing after he spent a paragraph trying to inflate his.  No disrespect intended, but what the hell is a degree in "earth science?"  You may not believe this, but Luskin has described himself as a scientist.  Yes, total lie.

The DI is all about credential inflation.  How many times have you read, "Hey, Louis got a couple of papers published" and nobody bats an eye.  Totally normal. Yea, Louis!

In DI speak it would have been "World-renown scientist and five-time Nobel nominee Dr. Dr. Dr. Louis published two peer-reviewed pro-intelligent design papers challenging the dogmatic-Darwinian orthodoxy in the prestigious International Harvester Journal of Molecular-Schmecular Complexitation Review Letters Acta (Czech)"

Wow, Louis, really?  Five-time nominee?

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,18:40   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 12 2011,23:50)
Casey has learned a modicum of self-preservation when he detects he's about to be buried under a shit storm.

Luskin is such a jackass.  He started to downplay the whole credential thing after he spent a paragraph trying to inflate his.  No disrespect intended, but what the hell is a degree in "earth science?"  You may not believe this, but Luskin has described himself as a scientist.  Yes, total lie.

The DI is all about credential inflation.  How many times have you read, "Hey, Louis got a couple of papers published" and nobody bats an eye.  Totally normal. Yea, Louis!

In DI speak it would have been "World-renown scientist and five-time Nobel nominee Dr. Dr. Dr. Louis published two peer-reviewed pro-intelligent design papers challenging the dogmatic-Darwinian orthodoxy in the prestigious International Harvester Journal of Molecular-Schmecular Complexitation Review Letters Acta (Czech)"

Wow, Louis, really?  Five-time nominee?

Six times Nobel nominee actually.* But one doesn't like to brag.

Louis

*Claim made safe in the knowledge that a) serious nominations are confidential, b) nominations will remain secret until waaaaay after my death.

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darvolution proponentsist



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,18:48   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 12 2011,16:01)
Casey's bolted.


Yes, but not very far.

::: cups ear :::

I can hear something gnawing away over in the corner.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2011,19:33   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 12 2011,18:50)
 No disrespect intended, but what the hell is a degree in "earth science?

PC geology. It's a valid scientific field. Doesn't make Casey a scientist, of course.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2011,09:03   

My degree in is Earth Science.  At my school (Lamar University, SE Texas), Earth Science is kind of 'science lite' mainly for teachers.  There's not a lot of hardcore science (experimental labs, student designed work, etc), most students take the easiest possible science classes (mainly geology) and the required bio 1&2 and chem 1&2 and then go teach middle school.

I majored in Earth Science because it is a fairly open degree plan, so I got to take a bunch of extra physics and biology courses that I wanted to take, rather than a very specific program.

Of course, it is basically useless as an actual science degree.  Scientists really have to specialize first, then get to broaden their horizons when they are established... I'm a generalist.  On the other hand, I take a few hundred tests a year ranging from 3rd grade up through nursing exams and I rarely get a question wrong (unless it's a bad question... which is my job, more or less).

Hope that helps

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2011,09:56   

As I wrote, no disrespect to earth scientists, however, great heaping gobs of disrespect for the lying little Gerbil fucker.

That said,

at my undergraduate university, Northern Arizona, they had a geography degree which touched on geology, paleontology, surveying and mapping, oceanography and all sorts of interesting things.  One of my favorite courses was geography taught by a "desert rat" of a guy.  Field trips were fascinating.

Probably makes me an expert or in Gerb's parlance an "expert."  Know what I mean?

  
madbat.089



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2011,14:11   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 13 2011,07:56)
As I wrote, no disrespect to earth scientists, however, great heaping gobs of disrespect for the lying little Gerbil fucker.

That said,

at my undergraduate university, Northern Arizona, they had a geography degree which touched on geology, paleontology, surveying and mapping, oceanography and all sorts of interesting things.  One of my favorite courses was geography taught by a "desert rat" of a guy.  Field trips were fascinating.

Probably makes me an expert or in Gerb's parlance an "expert."  Know what I mean?

Do you have a deep dark horrible past with gerbils that makes you wish on them Casey Luskin and his parts?
:O

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2011,08:05   

(Copied from DI EN&V thread...)

Casey Luskin doesn't like it that the Elsberry and Shallit 2003 essay got edited and published in Synthese. Casey says it is "extremely out-of-date". Casey has evidence! Follow his link to a list of "peer-reviewed papers [published] in recent years", Casey says!

I'd like to leave a comment for Casey. But EN&V hasn't seen fit to open comments on Casey's rant.

Here's an interesting fact: every single one of the papers at the link Casey gave was published after we submitted our essay to Synthese. Ooops. Will Casey admit error in claiming that we were "out-of-date"?

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2011,08:32   

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Will Casey admit error in claiming that we were "out-of-date"?



Is the Pope Lutheran?

Is it the End Of Times?

Will FTK ever change her spots?

etc... ad nauseum

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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2011,16:48   

Some while ago I wrote a short review of some crap published by Steve Meyer. I found the other day that the DI attack gerbil made a response.

Reply by Casey Luskin.

I'll get to it soon.

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2011,17:02   

J-Dog:
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Will FTK ever change her spots?


Bathroom Wall sayz no...

GH: keep us updated!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 19 2011,18:16   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 19 2011,14:48)
Some while ago I wrote a short review of some crap published by Steve Meyer. I found the other day that the DI attack gerbil made a response.

Reply by Casey Luskin.

I'll get to it soon.

From Casey's reply:
 
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The question is whether such oxidation inhibitors or pH buffers were available on the early Earth. A pro-ID chemist critiqued this paper privately to me as follows:


Watch out, Casey has his super-secret research team on the case!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2011,14:15   

Quote (paragwinn @ May 19 2011,18:16)
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 19 2011,14:48)
Some while ago I wrote a short review of some crap published by Steve Meyer. I found the other day that the DI attack gerbil made a response.

Reply by Casey Luskin.

I'll get to it soon.

From Casey's reply:
   
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The question is whether such oxidation inhibitors or pH buffers were available on the early Earth. A pro-ID chemist critiqued this paper privately to me as follows:


Watch out, Casey has his super-secret research team on the case!

Luskin:

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Another paper discusses the impact of meteorites on the earth's early atmosphere but did not discuss the composition of the earth's prebiotic atmosphere or the formation of prebiotic monomers. (Genda and Abe 2003.)


Carbon from carbonaceous chondrites is carbon, as in carbon with an oxidation number of zero, as in reduced carbon.  IDiot.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2011,14:23   

Quote (paragwinn @ May 19 2011,18:16)
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 19 2011,14:48)
Some while ago I wrote a short review of some crap published by Steve Meyer. I found the other day that the DI attack gerbil made a response.

Reply by Casey Luskin.

I'll get to it soon.

From Casey's reply:
   
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The question is whether such oxidation inhibitors or pH buffers were available on the early Earth. A pro-ID chemist critiqued this paper privately to me as follows:


Watch out, Casey has his super-secret research team on the case!

Whoops... better forget that argument...

Darwin's Warm Little Pond

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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2011,14:53   

Quote (paragwinn @ May 19 2011,18:16)
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 19 2011,14:48)
Some while ago I wrote a short review of some crap published by Steve Meyer. I found the other day that the DI attack gerbil made a response.

Reply by Casey Luskin.

I'll get to it soon.

From Casey's reply:
   
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The question is whether such oxidation inhibitors or pH buffers were available on the early Earth. A pro-ID chemist critiqued this paper privately to me as follows:


Watch out, Casey has his super-secret research team on the case!

Luskin again:
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Another paper discusses the formation of ribose, not the earth's early atmosphere. (Ricardo et al. 2004.)



Ricardo et al in the first paragraph
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That RNA could form spontaneously and persist
under prebiotic conditions has been doubted,
however (4, 5). Ribose and its sister pentoses
(arabinose, xylose, and lyxose) are made under
alkaline conditions from simple organic precursors
(formaldehyde and glycolaldehyde) (6)
known in interstellar space and presumably available
on early Earth (7). Pentoses do not accumulate
under these conditions, however; they rapidly
decompose in a “browning” reaction to generate
largely undescribable polymeric mixtures.


Sounds like discussion of ribose formation in abiotic environments.  Let us see what Reference 4 has to say about oxidizing/reducing:
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In addition,
aldoses are easily oxidized to sugar acids and they react readily
with low concentrations ofHCN (Kiliani reaction) to form the
next higher sugar acid (32, 33). These and other decomposition
pathways make it unlikely that sugars played a role in early
prebiotic syntheses.
 

The reason that the Benner group did not mention a reducing atmosphere is because the target audience is expected to be able to look up references and understand them.  The reason that Miller did not mention a reducing atmosphere is because the later work had not come out yet.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2011,15:08   

Quote (paragwinn @ May 19 2011,18:16)
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 19 2011,14:48)
Some while ago I wrote a short review of some crap published by Steve Meyer. I found the other day that the DI attack gerbil made a response.

Reply by Casey Luskin.

I'll get to it soon.

From Casey's reply:
   
Quote
The question is whether such oxidation inhibitors or pH buffers were available on the early Earth. A pro-ID chemist critiqued this paper privately to me as follows:


Watch out, Casey has his super-secret research team on the case!

Luskin:
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4 papers focus on the earth's post-biotic atmosphere (i.e. the atmosphere after life already existed on earth) and were irrelevant to investigating the nature of earth's atmosphere prior to the origin of life. (Catling et al. 2002, Kasting and Siefert 2002, Pavlov et al. 2001, Wolf and Toon 2010.)


Kasting and Siefert 2002

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Thus, microorganisms have probably determined
the basic composition of Earth’s
atmosphere since the origin of life. During
the first half of Earth’s history, this may have
resulted in a planet that looked much like
Saturn’s moon Titan (Fig. 2).2 During the
latter half of Earth’s history, microorganisms
created the breathable, O2-rich air and clear
blue skies that we enjoy today. Atmospheric
evolution on an inhabited planet is determined
largely by its microbial populations.


Translation: the atmosphere was not oxidizing until 2.3 Gya, hence it was reducing before, verily back to to abiogenetic regimes.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2011,19:28   

Over at Evo Whine and Snooze, DI attack gerbil and World Unibrow Queen, Casey Luskin, actually wrote this:

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People often invent conspiracy theories when they feel dejected and disenfranchised, but are unwilling (or politically unable) to admit the possibility they are wrong. Such theories are often an attempt to save face by inventing opponents who can then be blamed.


Words fail me.  This guy who espouses the "Darwinian lobby" and the "Darwinian Pressure Group*" and "Darwinists this and that" has described in his own words his own self.

A.  Mazing.



*Actually, the Darwinian Pressure Group, Delta Pi Gamma, exists and we accept donations.  Cash only.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 20 2011,23:13   

Delta Pi Gamma?

How about Delta Alpha Rho win.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2011,18:13   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 19 2011,17:48)
Some while ago I wrote a short review of some crap published by Steve Meyer. I found the other day that the DI attack gerbil made a response.

Reply by Casey Luskin.

I'll get to it soon.

Nice of Casey to respond where Gary can't counter, instead of on Amazon. Attack gerbils need a nice safe place to work, where too much reality won't bother them.

BTW, you've made me go back over the new reviews to SITC on Amazon and give some feedback to those I feel deserve some.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2011,19:04   

Quote (Doc Bill @ May 20 2011,19:28)
Over at Evo Whine and Snooze, DI attack gerbil and World Unibrow Queen, Casey Luskin, actually wrote this:

 
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People often invent conspiracy theories when they feel dejected and disenfranchised, but are unwilling (or politically unable) to admit the possibility they are wrong. Such theories are often an attempt to save face by inventing opponents who can then be blamed.


Words fail me.  This guy who espouses the "Darwinian lobby" and the "Darwinian Pressure Group*" and "Darwinists this and that" has described in his own words his own self.

A.  Mazing.



*Actually, the Darwinian Pressure Group, Delta Pi Gamma, exists and we accept donations.  Cash only.

Unfamiliar with psychological projection, are ye?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 21 2011,19:06   

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Nice of Casey to respond where Gary can't counter, instead of on Amazon. Attack gerbils need a nice safe place to work, where too much reality won't bother them.

Sure, but the noise of that wheel going around can be annoying sometimes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 25 2011,13:46   

http://blogs.forbes.com/johnfar....unk-dna

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UPDATE: 5.24.11 At the Discovery Institute’s site, Casey Luskin is apparently claiming this post was a review of their new book.  “John Farrell has written a critique of Jonathan Wells’ new book The Myth of Junk DNA. The only problem is that many of the arguments Farrell critiques aren’t ones that Jonathan Wells makes in the book.”

The only problem is, the post is about other science bloggers discussing the topic in light of the book’s release. In the comments, I invited Casey to send me a copy of the book to review, but as yet he has not responded.


D'Oh!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2011,00:37   

Casey Luskin Doesn't Do It Again

Casey Luskin doesn't bother to comprehend what someone else says before shooting off his mouth... again. This time, he's misrepresenting Genie Scott, and before he's through, he has himself misrepresented the law.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2011,10:55   

Wes, good item on Luskin. Could you add the direct link to Genie's talk? I hated clicking to Luskin, to UD. I wanted to wash my keyboard.

http://youtu.be/WgJX8g-huVE

(The comment about teaching "evidence against evolution" starts about 45:30min)

Edited by Dr.GH on July 22 2011,09:03

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2011,10:26   

Hey, Gerb's got a new job, er, title, er, function, er, whatever.

According to this article in the prestigious news organ,

Christian Post

Luskin is now, drum roll please ...

Research Coordinator!!!!!

Go, Gerb!  Ride that spicy research!

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2011,02:05   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Nov. 17 2011,08:26)
Hey, Gerb's got a new job, er, title, er, function, er, whatever.

According to this article in the prestigious news organ,

Christian Post

Luskin is now, drum roll please ...

Research Coordinator!!!!!

Go, Gerb!  Ride that spicy research!

Stupid fast food commercial.

The comment section of the Christian Post has been interesting. If the creto chewtoys won't come to you, you must go to them.

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