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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,21:31   

Hey, Dave, is your favorite bird the "red herring".  Just curious.

Heil Darwin!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,21:32   

Casey Luskin is immensely frustrating to deal with I've discovered. I don't think he's even addressed the original point I actually made quite a few posts ago. There is no way he can possibly argue he's represented Orgels opinion fairly before inserting his own into the post, clearly breaking rule #5 (which does not prohibit one discussing the post from their viewpoint, only presenting the authors viewpoint in the authors OWN words first or fairly).

That he can't see this is rather mind boggling.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,21:35   

Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 05 2008,21:31)
Hey, Dave, is your favorite bird the "red herring".  Just curious.

Herrings aren't birds. My favorite bird, the Wandering Albatross, might eat herrings...

Your favorite must be the ostrich.

But sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the world go away. Here it comes again.

You said Eugenie Scott was an evangelical atheist. Prove it. Help us "follow the evidence".

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,21:36   

Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 05 2008,21:31)
Hey, Dave, is your favorite bird the "red herring".  Just curious.

Heil Darwin!!!

I want you to know, that people like you convinced me Christianity was false.

Just so you know.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,21:43   

Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 05 2008,22:31)
Hey, Dave, is your favorite bird the "red herring". Just curious.

Heil Darwin!!!

My favorite bird? The sardine. Nothing like a bird on a cracker.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,22:13   

Ftk,

Here, you said

   
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Okay, Dave, you need to WAKE UP. Seriously. There is no one “lying” in the pulpits or anywhere else. They believe what they put forth. So, if they are wrong, it’s not deliberate. And, to refuse to acknowledge the part that Dawkins, et. al. plays in this deliberately burying your head in the sand. The other side thinks that Dawkins et. al. are a bunch of liars as well - I don’t. I believe that they support their true beliefs on the topic just like the preachers from the pulpit do.  The point is that BOTH sides believe the other to be devious liars so it’s kind of ridiculous for you to make a statement like evolution is “seen by some as a threat to their religious beliefs”. While that may be true, those from the opposite end are just as threatened by the notion that evolution may not answer the question as to how everything in nature came to be. They base their philosophical and faith beliefs on this “fact”, so anything opposing it brings about as much tension and repulsion to them as it does to those who believe their religious beliefs are threatened by evolution.


Beginning about here, you spent pages and pages defending the indefensible and reprehensible attack Sal made on Skatje Myers with outright lies like

   
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It's disgusting to you, Dave.  But, copulation with man, woman (she's bisexual), beast, and relative is okay with Skatje.  


Now, over the last few pages you've made quite a few scurrilous accusations against Eugenie Scott, such as

 
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 05 2008,19:28)

That. is. a. riot.

Eugenie IS an atheist.  She is in the churches evangelizing for atheism.  I heard the woman lecture at KU on how Darwinism and religion can work in harmony...blah, blah, blah...there are no conflicts or controversial issues....blah, blah, blah...but, then turns around and blasts anyone whose religion doesn't jive with her philosophical views.

Then the atheist who introduced her asked her if she believed science supported her atheism.  She said yes, and said some of her friends believe that the anthropic principle lends support that there may be a designer of the universe....she smiled condescendingly, waved her hand, and said that the AP doesn't sway her in the least.

She got an A+ from the secular humanists with that little lecture for sure...


which doesn't jibe at all with the first quote about both sides truly believing what they say.

You are a liar, and I'm calling you on this one.  You are weaseling and hold advocates of the Intelligent Design Creationism Hoax to a standard of honesty so low that I'd have to tromp around in the sewers to find it.  You then have the audacity to question the integrity of Eugenie Scott, and accuse her of deception?  I think not.

Now you can defend that third statement with actual evidence, or you can retract it and apologize, or you can talk to the bathroom wall until you do.

ETA:  Notpologies not accepted.

Edited by Lou FCD on Feb. 05 2008,23:17

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,22:18   

I dropped by to read a bit, and found this about Genie Scott on the previous page, from ftk:

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I heard the woman lecture at KU on how Darwinism and religion can work in harmony...blah, blah, blah...there are no conflicts or controversial issues....blah, blah, blah...but, then turns around and blasts anyone whose religion doesn't jive with her philosophical views.


I know Genie well, and I know that the bolded part above is not true.

Of course, I could ask for some evidence from ftk to support her statement, but I know that is entirely fruitless.  Nevertheless, I know ftk is wrong about this point.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,22:29   

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Nevertheless, I know ftk is wrong about this point.
I must emphasize that there is a huge difference between "being wrong" and "lying".

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,22:44   

I also know Genie Scott and will confirm that FtK is lying, again.

Making stuff up, FtK, when will you learn?  Are you really that stupid?

Scott's religion bashing record is less than mine.  How about my record, FtK? Where do I stand on your Scale of Piety?

As we have said many times on this thread, FtK, put up or shut up.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,22:50   

Quote (sparc @ Feb. 05 2008,22:29)
 
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Nevertheless, I know ftk is wrong about this point.
I must emphasize that there is a huge difference between "being wrong" and "lying".


Yep.

FtK:

 
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Hey, this has always been my favorite Genie quote...

       
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"I have found that the most effective allies for evolution are people of the faith community. One clergyman with a backward collar is worth two biologists at a school board meeting any day!"


That's right...use those preachers, Genie!...convert a preacher to Darwinism, and get him to poison his congregation.  I can't believe they let her pull that crap when she makes it abundantly clear what she's up to.

Gag...Eugenie is much more dishonest than all of the DI fellows together!!  Blah!  The woman makes me want to projectile vomit.

[No, that wasn't a personal attack, it was the God's honest truth.]


That wasn't a statement of disagreement, or that Genie Scott was wrong.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,23:06   

Quote (J. O'Donnell @ Feb. 05 2008,22:32)
Casey Luskin is immensely frustrating to deal with I've discovered. I don't think he's even addressed the original point I actually made quite a few posts ago. There is no way he can possibly argue he's represented Orgels opinion fairly before inserting his own into the post, clearly breaking rule #5 (which does not prohibit one discussing the post from their viewpoint, only presenting the authors viewpoint in the authors OWN words first or fairly).

That he can't see this is rather mind boggling.

I have dealt with Casey a few times in person, and I know what you mean. The best way to deal with him and not get enraged is to treat him as if he's completely insane. For instance, when he presides over a club, and in order to be an officer in his club you must be a christian, and the club used to be called the Creationist Club and is now called the ID Club, and the web page for the club says "Don't be afraid of us creationists", and he looks you in the eye and says the club has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with religion or christianity, and how on earth could you possibly think it did, there's no reason to be mad or upset that he's lying to you. When the guy over at Dorothea Dix Mental Institution sticks his hand in his shirt and tells you he's Napoleon, you can't get mad at him. He's not lying to you. He's just fucking crazy and doesn't know any better.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,00:39   

Quote (sparc @ Feb. 05 2008,22:29)
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Nevertheless, I know ftk is wrong about this point.
I must emphasize that there is a huge difference between "being wrong" and "lying".

Indeed!

If anyone can find it, the essay "On Bullshit" by H.G. Frankfurt is an interesting read.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,02:36   

Quote (UnMark @ Feb. 06 2008,00:39)
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Nevertheless, I know ftk is wrong about this point.
I must emphasize that there is a huge difference between "being wrong" and "lying".

Indeed!

If anyone can find it, the essay "On Bullshit" by H.G. Frankfurt is an interesting read.

He ended up publishing it as a book.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,05:32   

Well, I think we have the answer. Casey, in part:
 
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So, based upon what I was told, I had no reason to presume there were rules behind using the 117 X 87 pixel graphic that would result in the eruption of much anger when they are violated.

When various blogs erupted in a firestorm yesterday because I used the 117 X 87 pixel graphic for about 24 hours, I first learned that there were rules about using the 117 X 87 pixel graphic. It was then that I first visited ResearchBlogging.org, and it was at that time that I tried to register with ResearchBlogging.org so that I could legitimately use the 117 X 87 pixel graphic. This morning, when I learned that Mr. Munger felt I had used the 117 X 87 pixel graphic inappropriately, I immediately removed the 117 X 87 pixel graphic.

This isnt complicated: I never knowingly misused the 117 X 87 pixel graphic, and as soon as I learned I had misused it, I removed it. Thanks again.


Darwinists are so mean and nasty that they forbid me to use a 117 x 87 icon.  117 x 87!! That is tiny!  Miniscule even!  Is there nothing so insignificant that the materialists won't use it to persecute (dare I say EXPEL!) the ID proponents in order to shore up the crumbling edifice of their discredited theory!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,06:50   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 06 2008,05:32)
Well, I think we have the answer. Casey, in part:
 
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So, based upon what I was told, I had no reason to presume there were rules behind using the 117 X 87 pixel graphic that would result in the eruption of much anger when they are violated.

When various blogs erupted in a firestorm yesterday because I used the 117 X 87 pixel graphic for about 24 hours, I first learned that there were rules about using the 117 X 87 pixel graphic. It was then that I first visited ResearchBlogging.org, and it was at that time that I tried to register with ResearchBlogging.org so that I could legitimately use the 117 X 87 pixel graphic. This morning, when I learned that Mr. Munger felt I had used the 117 X 87 pixel graphic inappropriately, I immediately removed the 117 X 87 pixel graphic.

This isnt complicated: I never knowingly misused the 117 X 87 pixel graphic, and as soon as I learned I had misused it, I removed it. Thanks again.


Darwinists are so mean and nasty that they forbid me to use a 117 x 87 icon.  117 x 87!! That is tiny!  Miniscule even!  Is there nothing so insignificant that the materialists won't use it to persecute (dare I say EXPEL!) the ID proponents in order to shore up the crumbling edifice of their discredited theory!

If he really feels argumentum ad file size is acceptable, perhaps someone should point out that the text 'THIS SITE IS ENDORSED BY THE DISCOVERY INSTITUTE' is far smaller than that tiny icon.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,08:12   

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So, FtK, do you agree that perhaps, on just this occasion, Luskin has done something that does not meet the highest standards of honesty? (Predicted reply, if any, along the lines of 'I see far worse every day on AtBC'.)

How about it, FtK? So far, it looks like my predictive success is at least as good as that of ID.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,09:15   

I always assumed Casey Luskin was a reasonably bright guy who was purposefully dishonest in order to advance his religious cause.  We see people like this all the time, those who will stoop to anything as they answer to a "higher calling".

After reading his comments at BPR3 I'm now convinced he's simply dumb, I mean really dumb.  He's no different than FtK, sceptic, afdave tard, or vmartin.  The only thing they don't have in common is Casey does stupid for a living, the other tards do it as a hobby.

The thread at BPR3 goes down in my book as the best ever.  At least for now.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Lushkin spins this into an example of IDC persecution.

Casey, thanks for the memories!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,10:00   

I have no reason to presume there are rules behind using any 117 X 87 pixel graphic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,16:49   

New thread on Luskin at BPR3 here

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,17:24   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 06 2008,16:49)
New thread on Luskin at BPR3 here

I feel a little sorry for Dave Munger. While I wouldn't fault him for rejecting Luskin's application simply because Casey Luskin's name is on it, no matter how valid his reasons are - and they are valid - the DI is going to interpret this as more persecution from the Materialist Establishment.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,17:25   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 06 2008,16:49)
New thread on Luskin at BPR3 here

Should I just copy and paste what I already pointed out about the deficiencies in Caseys first post? There doesn't really seem much more to discuss, especially as his second part isn't much better.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,17:31   

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I feel a little sorry for Dave Munger. While I wouldn't fault him for rejecting Luskin's application simply because Casey Luskin's name is on it, no matter how valid his reasons are - and they are valid - the DI is going to interpret this as more persecution from the Materialist Establishment.

Which they undoubtedly planned to do from the outset.

This will play well among the science-haters on UD, of course. But I doubt that it will make a bit of difference in the long run.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,17:49   

Whether they planned it or not the DI needs to be hammered at every opportunity.

Expel?  Yes!  Kick their asses out.

I have no problem with this.  Luskin and the other DI minions need to be called out at every opportunity.

Quite simply, Luskin violated copyright by using the BPR3 logo inappropriately without following any of the guidelines.

Luskin did it intentionally and was caught.  He deserves any thrashing he gets.

Obviously, the heat was a little too much for our attack gerbil Luskin as he has pulled the logo from his original posting.  Luskin is dishonest.  How he lives with himself I have no idea.  Must be a small planet, his world.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,18:06   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 06 2008,17:31)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 06 2008,17:24)
I feel a little sorry for Dave Munger. While I wouldn't fault him for rejecting Luskin's application simply because Casey Luskin's name is on it, no matter how valid his reasons are - and they are valid - the DI is going to interpret this as more persecution from the Materialist Establishment.

Which they undoubtedly planned to do from the outset.

This will play well among the science-haters on UD, of course. But I doubt that it will make a bit of difference in the long run.

Yeah, it was a win/win scenario for Luskin. If he got accepted, it would make ID seem more "sciencey" to the rubes. If he got denied, it's another opportunity to play the martyr.

Since the persecution card is such powerful currency in the ID world, Luskin's probably quite satisfied with the decision.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,18:15   

I bet luskin is laffing his ass off about the whole ordeal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,19:01   

Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 06 2008,18:06)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 06 2008,17:31)
 
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 06 2008,17:24)
I feel a little sorry for Dave Munger. While I wouldn't fault him for rejecting Luskin's application simply because Casey Luskin's name is on it, no matter how valid his reasons are - and they are valid - the DI is going to interpret this as more persecution from the Materialist Establishment.

Which they undoubtedly planned to do from the outset.

This will play well among the science-haters on UD, of course. But I doubt that it will make a bit of difference in the long run.

Yeah, it was a win/win scenario for Luskin. If he got accepted, it would make ID seem more "sciencey" to the rubes. If he got denied, it's another opportunity to play the martyr.

Since the persecution card is such powerful currency in the ID world, Luskin's probably quite satisfied with the decision.

Yeah, it seems "designed" for this outcome from the start.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,22:01   

I am laughing mine off.

What a douche bag.  

That's the important part.  Showing your ass in public, for free, upon provocation:  Priceless.

Smile, asshole.  You be on candid camera.  At least that is what they say at ye olde 4-way intersections around here in this Free State.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,22:31   

I don't think Casey's exactly laughing, because he was forced to remove the icon from his posting.  The DI got a public whipping.  Again.

Casey wasn't expelled from discourse;  none of his comments were censored or removed from the BPR3 thread.  In fact, Casey was invited to the dialog.  He chose to slink off on his own accord.

By the same token, Casey, Behe, Dembski and the entire Rat's Nest is invited to participate at PT or PZ's blog or at ERV or any science blog.  Nothing's stopping them.

By the way, that reminds me, whatever happened to Paul Nelson?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,22:40   

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By the way, that reminds me, whatever happened to Paul Nelson?


Brave sir Nelson has bravely run away from the looks of things.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,23:33   

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeyiiiiiiiit.

Casey don't give a damn as long as jesus be the reason he be skeezin'.  you bettah recognize fool.

Paul, bless his little old shriveled up trepidatious old jump startin heart, he can't be standing up to the Spanglish Inquisition and shit.  Y'all be screamin evidence, that nicklah be frontin on some ol Genesis and whatnot whatall whathaveyou whatsaysyouns whattyaknow etc etc insert the power of christus here.  

liars for jesus have already gone and warranted justified etc etc their own moral eschatology.

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