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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,08:28   

Over at Evo Snooze and Nooze, our favorite creationist Michael "Heal with Steel" Egnor has jumped the shark with a two-and-a-half double twist pike position leap:

Here's a delightful sample, but there is much worse to read:

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My suggestion: lose your attitude. Boycotting true academic freedom — which is what this law is all about — is bad p.r. Your grants to study evolution don’t really come from NIH or NSF. They come from creationists, the ones you take to court and censor all the time. You’ve always played them for dupes, but "boycott" is a word you don’t want them to learn. There are a couple hundred million of them, they don’t much like or trust you anyway. Times are hard, and don’t make the mistake of thinking that the work of evolutionary biologists is indispensible. Evolution is worthless to experimental biology and worthless to medical research. The most "evolution-denying" country in the Western world — the United States — is the world’s undisputed scientific leader. A lot of taxpayers realize that Darwinist "just-so stories" are of little value to the real research going on in biology and medicine. Evolutionary research — like the research that claimed that the human brain evolved because apes got better spit — is a real "shovel ready" project, in the sense that a lot of folks would like to take a shovel to it.


Read the whole, heaping pile o' TARD at the usual haunt:

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,09:06   

All science so far...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,09:23   

I do not like that site.
I do not like it one little bit.
You can not comment on that bad site.
I do not like it, not one little bit.

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,09:31   

LOL!

What a friggen nutbar!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,09:42   

The letter is such a whinefest:
 
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If you're not careful, "creationists" (80% of Americans) might notice this irony: you boycott their states, but you forgot to boycott their money. If one percent of the people you've censored and boycotted wrote letters to their congressmen demanding a defunding of evolutionary research — a boycott of you — the grant money currently allocated to advancing Darwinist ideology (it's ideologues, not scientists, who censor) would be re-allocated to genuine non-ideological science.

Do you think they'd be successful? The arguments that your allies have used would be the basis for defunding you. The appellation "consensus science" could be used as a litmus test for withdrawal of funding. Why fund research on "settled" science? Why waste precious research dollars on studying a "fact" like Darwinism, when there are so many pressing problems in medicine and other sciences that remain unsolved? Research funding properly goes to controversies, not settled issues. How many scientific theories that are taught to public school students as non-controversial are the basis for substantial federal funding? How much money does the NSF devote to research on Newtonian gravitation or heliocentrism?

I would love to see Egnor and Discovery carry out those threats.  Hey Mike, TITS or GTFO.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,10:12   

I iz testing a sig! Thankz, "I'm a real doctor!" Eggy-weg.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,10:32   

Can it be that Novella's long series of whippings have started to get to Egnor?

 
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Your organization has now gone on record as opposing academic freedom in public schools. The formal alignment of several organizations of professional scientists — of which you are the most recent — with censorship of scientific discussion is an ominous development.

Science is not settled in the high school classroom. Is requiring teachers to stick to the curriculum when in the classroom trampling on their freedom of expression?

 
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They have a quaint notion that science depends on the freedom to ask questions, and their insistence on academic freedom is catching on.

Think-poof, settling on an answer before even formulating the question. Apparently a fruitful way to conduct inquiry, who knew?

 
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You guys are utterly dependent on taxpayers, most of whom are creationists of one stripe or another, and most of whom rank Darwinists on an ethical scale somewhere below Caribbean hedge fund operators. They think you’re a bunch of atheist brownshirts — can’t imagine why.

Because third reich wehrmacht soldiers wore "Darwin mit uns" on their belt buckles?

 
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Evolution is  worthless to experimental biology and worthless to medical research.

Man, I'd hate to come to Egnor with a resistant bacterial infection.

ETA: Snark.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,10:56   

Quote (dnmlthr @ Mar. 02 2009,10:32)
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Evolution is  worthless to experimental biology and worthless to medical research.

Man, I'd hate to come to Egnor with a resistant bacterial infection.

ETA: Snark.

Egnor is a neurosurgeon, so he would be mucking about in your brain, not treating your strep.  Hey, but don't fret none about coming out of surgery as a changed person. He'll put your soul in his shirt pocket before operating, so it's all good.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,11:16   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 02 2009,16:56)
Quote (dnmlthr @ Mar. 02 2009,10:32)
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Evolution is  worthless to experimental biology and worthless to medical research.

Man, I'd hate to come to Egnor with a resistant bacterial infection.

ETA: Snark.

Egnor is a neurosurgeon, so he would be mucking about in your brain, not treating your strep.  Hey, but don't fret none about coming out of surgery as a changed person. He'll put your soul in his shirt pocket before operating, so it's all good.

Carlsonjok: You're right, I just figured he still has rights to prescribe  medication. Have you read his back and forth with Novella btw?

Anyway, the guy claims to speak for an oppressed 200 million head strong majority, yet he freaks out over a moved conference?

I don't get it.


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Marion Delgado



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,11:46   

Well, if you're "Frahnkenshtine" I think it should be EYE-gnor, thank you very much. Think this way ...

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,11:56   

Has anyone at the Institute ever published anything equivalent to this, tossing out decades of "we're not religious" discipline, in one stroke?

Is Igor even aware that creationism is not a legally sanctioned alternative to science in science classes?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,12:13   

Is it just me that read Egnor's mindbuggeringly stupid rant as:

WE PUBLIC WANT MORE PRODUCTS AND CURES FOR OUR DISEASES, SCIENTISTS, AND DON'T TELL US ABOUT ALL THAT OTHER STUFF YOU FOUND OUT WHEN YOU WEREN'T BEING GOOD LITTLE PAWNS FOR OUR EVERY GREEDY WHIM. HOW DARE YOU DISCOVER THAT REALITY DOESN'T CONFORM TO OUR RELIGIOUS PRECONCEPTIONS. WE'LL TAKE THE MONEY AWAY. ALL THAT LOVELY MONEY.

There is, was, will be and remains only one word for Egnor (I will not dignify him with a title, I'm ashamed to share a phylum with him):

FUCKWIT

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,12:49   

Just what frickin' money is Egdorf and the Discovery Isn't-stitute talking about anyway?

The stimulus package that Bobby Jindahl is going to reject?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,15:10   

When the Disco Institute is campaigning for Academic Freedom, let them nevah again cry that it has absolutely nothing to do with creationism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,15:20   

I'm still in favor of bringing ALL creation stories into the classroom to compete along side the OT stuff.

Come on, "LETZ TEECH DA CONTRIVERSEES!"

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,15:27   

I'm in favor of having a history of science handout for those interested in the controversy. The main weapon of IDC is the claim that their ideas have been ignored.

Much better to show their place in history. Gould and Mayr wrote some good stuff, but I think NCSE could put together a handout.

Skeptic magazine did some excellent stuff, but their name sounds a bit anti-religion. I'm thinking just a discussion of the various criticisms of evolution as they arose in history.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,16:39   

Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 02 2009,15:20)
I'm still in favor of bringing ALL creation stories into the classroom to compete along side the OT stuff.

Come on, "LETZ TEECH DA CONTRIVERSEES!"

Yep, I think that's an excellent idea.
   
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For Buddhists the creator of the universe of experience is not an external being, but your own Karma. Karma subtitutes the role of God, but the main difference is that it is not separated from the individual. Past actions of thought, speech and body determine, limit and set a boundary for the experiences that I can have in the present, and present actions set the same boundaries for future experiences.

This God-man thing is so dualistic, and dualism is so 19th-century. At least the Buddhists seem to be asking why we have to suffer eating the cookies just because the hostess baked them. :p

Of course, once upon a time humans had fun gods.




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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,16:41   

Rule Number 1:  You can write a letter while stinking drunk, but refrain from mailing.

Rule Number 1a:  Same with 3am phone calls.

Aside from the sheer entertainment value, does anyone at the DI actually vet the stuff they publish?  Didn't Crowther or West say "Holy shit!" when they read that mess, or was it a Gomer Pyle Sur-priiiiiiiise!

I tried to puzzle out a theme, but "hate darwinism" is pretty broad.

And, what's with the impotent threats?  Looks like a serious case of penis envy if you ask me.  Maybe he found out that Luskin is hung like a bull moose and he's taking it out on us.

It's a mystery.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,17:10   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 02 2009,14:41)
Luskin is hung like a bull moose and he's taking it out

Quote mine of the day.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,19:29   

Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 02 2009,17:10)
 
Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 02 2009,14:41)
Luskin is hung like a bullwinkle the moose and he's taking it out on his squirrel.

Quote mine of the day.

Allow me to "fix" your quote mine...

I am sure this will be of great interest to deadman as well.  Maybe he and Casey can share some stories!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,20:19   

I actually went there; what a steaming heap of TARD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2009,21:53   

Aren't things Badanuff without Moose and Squirrel?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2009,07:47   

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 02 2009,22:53)
Aren't things Badanuff without Moose and Squirrel?

Boris, darling.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2009,08:25   

Getting back to the roastee, I also considered that what Egnor was trying to achieve was purple prose satire.

Unfortunate, the prose is poor, it's not funny and there's no real theme.

That leaves Dembski-fugly purple.

What is it about creationists that they are jokes, but they can't tell jokes?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2009,08:28   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 03 2009,08:25)
Getting back to the roastee, I also considered that what Egnor was trying to achieve was purple prose satire.

Unfortunate, the prose is poor, it's not funny and there's no real theme.

That leaves Dembski-fugly purple.

What is it about creationists that they are jokes, but they can't tell jokes?

Creationists tell jokes, even write them down and have web pages.

Unfortunately they are not funny and they insist on taking them all seriously.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2009,11:46   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 03 2009,06:25)
Unfortunate, the prose is poor, it's not funny and there's no real theme.

That's the best one-line summary of the ID movement I've ever seen.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2009,11:59   

Bobby Jindahl:      
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Instead of monitoring volcanoes, what Congress should be monitoring is the eruption of spending in Washington.

Wow, and days later, Mount Egnor erupts. We should have been monitoring the Isn't-stitute on the slopes of the Mount Impossible range. :D

Maybe we should ask the moneyed creationists - the ones who aren't on unemployment, that is - for a grant to study the creationists, since they're so hungry for attention.

Who wants to write a grant for the Friday Meltdown? :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2009,15:23   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 03 2009,08:25)
Getting back to the roastee, I also considered that what Egnor was trying to achieve was purple prose satire.

Unfortunate, the prose is poor, it's not funny and there's no real theme.

That leaves Dembski-fugly purple.

What is it about creationists that they are jokes, but they can't tell jokes?

You deign to call that wretched snivel ‘purple prose’? Pray, speak not so of that regal shade.  I think you forget your colours, Sir! I think you stumble, Sir, a lost chthonic being that finds itself in Sol’s realm and, dazzled, knows not one hue from another. If the dribblings of Eg*** are to be any colour at all – and so transparent are they, it is beyond the pow’r of man and beast to see it – then let them be a thin pale yellow, that it be of no worth to smear them on good white paper.

And ‘prose’? Ha! That prissy-frimping mewl? Is the jabbering of a half-wit prose? Are we to seek edification in the ramblings of the blissfully doted? Swift, Johnson, Rousseau, Dickens, Emerson, Joyce – and the biblical eructations of a protosimian headhunter with a sacred bone from Balaam’s ass through his nose? No! I say: prosaic it surely is; prose it surely is not!



ETA: Apologies to Dean Swift

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2009,16:02   

Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 03 2009,15:23)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 03 2009,08:25)
Getting back to the roastee, I also considered that what Egnor was trying to achieve was purple prose satire.

Unfortunate, the prose is poor, it's not funny and there's no real theme.

That leaves Dembski-fugly purple.

What is it about creationists that they are jokes, but they can't tell jokes?

You deign to call that wretched snivel ‘purple prose’? Pray, speak not so of that regal shade.  I think you forget your colours, Sir! I think you stumble, Sir, a lost chthonic being that finds itself in Sol’s realm and, dazzled, knows not one hue from another. If the dribblings of Eg*** are to be any colour at all – and so transparent are they, it is beyond the pow’r of man and beast to see it – then let them be a thin pale yellow, that it be of no worth to smear them on good white paper.

And ‘prose’? Ha! That prissy-frimping mewl? Is the jabbering of a half-wit prose? Are we to seek edification in the ramblings of the blissfully doted? Swift, Johnson, Rousseau, Dickens, Emerson, Joyce – and the biblical eructations of a protosimian headhunter with a sacred bone from Balaam’s ass through his nose? No! I say: prosaic it surely is; prose it surely is not!



ETA: Apologies to Dean Swift

Hear Hear!

Well intentioned - and well said, sir!

ps:  Do we have a "Prose of The Week" Award?

iF SO, THIS SHOULD GETS IT! :)

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2009,16:28   

Obviously, I was wrong about "purple prose satire."

Neither purple, prose nor satire, although the wisecrack about Madison and Ann Arbor was strangely funny.  Sort of like using the word "kazoo."

We all know the best place to hold a Darwinian Conference is San Francisco.

So, in the end, I'm at a loss as to Egnor's point, other than the one on the top of his head.  He used the word Darwin-xxx about a dozen times, and the same for creation-xxx, but he mentioned "boycott" a whopping 23 times!

Considering Egnor couldn't find either his ass or Louisiana on a map with both hands, I'm at a further loss as to understand why he gives a rat's in the first place.

Could it be that the DI is running out of molehills of which to make mountains?

So, back to my musings ...

Purple Haze?  No.
Purple Rain?  No.
Barney?  Hmmmmm, possibly.

  
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