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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,14:01   

from http://www.worldmagblog.com/blog/archives/030857.html

re the discussion about trolls etc, i find the entertainment factor to be optimized by a lower ratio of sane people to creationists.  worldmag is a good place to get that ratio down to about -10 decimal places..

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Scientific classification of species

For those who are giving me a hard time on this, please do your homework. I do a lot of reading on these issues, and it's pretty well agreed that one of the reasons for their being so many "endangered species" is that what used to be considered subspecies are now being categorized as species. So if a woodpecker exists on two separate islands, able to interbreed and visually almost identical, if one has more red on its head it will be called a different variety and considered an "endangered species." This isn't creationist imaginings, this is real-world stuff.

There's scientific pride in discovering new species, and there's money to be made if the "new species" is endangered.

I don't think anybody has a problem with the idea that, for instance, there might have been only one pair of red-toed gray humdingers on the ark if there are now seven varieties of them, if the varieties are in fact not separate species. A little more red on the head of one variety, or even a breeding group with a lot of albinos, is simply normal variation. There's a town somewhere that's proud of its large number of albino squirrels. If an albino existed on an island, we might soon have an island full of albinos. That says nothing about the veracity of the ark story.

And as to the question of everyone coming from eight people, I simply don't see the problem. Whether you believe in creation or evolution, you pretty much have to say we originally came from one pair of people. So why is eight more problematic?

And as to subspecies variations, ever notice that Africans and Chinese and Swedes all have strong variations, but the same DNA? There's more difference between a Polish person and a Scottish person than between some of these subspecies. Are redheads a different species? Are chihuahuas a new species of dog?

I really am not ignorant of science; please don't stereotype me.

Posted by: Cheryl D. at June 26, 2007 05:06 PM


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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,14:13   

It's impossible not to love that money shot at the end:

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I really am not ignorant of science; please don't stereotype me.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,14:17   

Erasmus - Please report to Stockholm at your earliest convenience to collect your Noble Prize for discovering a new type of primate that is unbelievably stupid,  Homo Creationistus Cheryl D.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,14:23   

believe me that is just the tip of the iceberg.  i've been holding onto this site for a year or so but after lurking here for a while i realized it is right up y'alls alley.  

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This isn't creationist imaginings, this is real-world stuff.


jeeeesus that one killed me.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,14:29   

same box, different tard

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Adam and Eve, who by biblical accounts, were our first parents, did not have inherited genetics like we do, of course. Therefore, it is highly probable that their offspring could have been all of the races we see today in the world. Their children could have married each other because they weren't genetically related. Adam might have been black, Eve could have been Asian and each of their children could have been completely different than either of them. I think that is kinda cool, really.
And a much better scenario (if you ask me) than coming from a single female with multiple male partners, sort of like what we have today in society. That certainly does not contribute to a stable society. If we started out like that, and we are supposed to have evolved into higher forms, it doesn't look like some people have evolved at all.

Posted by: annelise at June 27, 2007 02:01 AM


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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,14:38   

Oh boy.


check this link out from their main page.

http://www.americanvision.org/downloads/FoolsHeart.mp4

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,14:41   

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believe me that is just the tip of the iceberg.  i've been holding onto this site for a year or so but after lurking here for a while i realized it is right up y'alls alley.  

   
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This isn't creationist imaginings, this is real-world stuff.


jeeeesus that one killed me.

I'd say even for us ATBC vets who've been at this a few years and built up some thick skin, that was an awfully strong dose there.

However, I've long thought fstdt.com has the hardest, straight-up, all-the-way-up-to-11 tard on the internet. I had to swear off for a while. Just glancing at it kills brain cells and shaves months off your life, and I'm not sure how many of either I can spare anymore.  :O

Welcome, incidentally.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,14:56   

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Are chihuahuas a new species of dog?

I don't know.  Ask a Great Dane.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,14:57   

how have i never heard of fstdt.com before.  i'll have to retune my tard goggles and give it a whirl.

thanks.  long time listener first time caller and stuff.  

get a load of the argument, in that thread,between cheryl mumsee and victoria.  not sure what is all about i go blind in the middle of each paragraph.  

chimpy that was good stuff.  they even used a british accent for dawkins (or was it really him?  kristine?)

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,15:00   

new one

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The Darwinian theory of evoluation is falling apart these days because of 1) lack of any proof; 2) the inability to test it; 3) evidence which refutes it (such as fossil evidence); and 4) all sorts of new scientific insights with regard to information theory, statistical theory, complexity theory, and so on.

The Euros can go on believing they're just freak random mutational accidents if they want; they will just have to ignore increasing scientific evidence to the contrary.

James

Posted by: James at June 25, 2007 10:30 AM


you know, inability to test it, but it's refuted.  by all these words and stuff.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,15:13   

another good'un.  a veritable checklist of ignorance.

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It cannot explain irreducible complexity - where complex machinery in life has many parts, all of which must work together like a machine to work - and where each of its parts could not have independently and randomly developed in such a way that they all happen to work together;

- It cannot explain the fossil record, which does NOT show gradual genetic mutational drift. In the Cambrian explosion of millions of years ago, for instance, all of the main phyla of life came into existence in an incredibly short period;

- The fossil record nowhere shows one species gradually turning into another;

- It cannot explain why homologous creatures (like different sorts of frogs) have completely different DNA sequences;

- It cannot explain why to get to a 'good' mutation, you have to go through many 'bad mutations first - which would never have allowed any good mutations to begin with;

- It cannot explain the tremendous information content in even basic forms of life, which statistical analysis shows to be a virtually impossibility of having developed by chance;

- It cannot explain the fact that the creation of new forms of life is far, far more rapid that gene drift would allow, if it only happened randomly.

- It cannot explain why random mutations didn't muck up life's machinery and cause it to fail - the way a few lines of code that are off do to a software program.

etc. etc. etc.

Basically, the theory of evolution if falling apart from a scientific point of view.

There is much more going on that Darwinists suppose.

There has never been any proof that all of life on Earth was caused by random mutations. That is simply an unproven (and highly unlikely) presupposition that Darwinists make.

James

Posted by: James at June 25, 2007 11:53 AM


this guy keep telling me that there is an imminent revolution in biology, headed by electricians, diesel mechanics, accounts payable clerks and scuba divers.  or something similar.

anyone wanna guess his occupation?

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,15:25   

Quote (Paul Flocken @ June 28 2007,21:56)
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Are chihuahuas a new species of dog?

I don't know.  Ask a Great Dane.

*Slightly OT*

I went to India a few years ago with my wife and her family, and whilst driving to Amritsar we stopped to refresh ourselves at a roadside cafe. During our rest stop we were pleased to observe a very large mastiff type dog (clearly a bitch in heat) being pestered by a small terrier type dog (clearly a male). The smaller male dog was taking long run ups and launching himself genitalia first at the larger bitch. The size comparison was not quite chihuahua  vs great dane, but close enough. As we pulled away from the cafe we noticed that, in the absence of molecular or biochemical inhibition, the physical barrier required by speciation had been successfully overcome.

Quite literally.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,15:31   

Quote (Louis @ June 28 2007,15:25)
Quote (Paul Flocken @ June 28 2007,21:56)
 
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Are chihuahuas a new species of dog?

I don't know.  Ask a Great Dane.

*Slightly OT*

I went to India a few years ago with my wife and her family, and whilst driving to Amritsar we stopped to refresh ourselves at a roadside cafe. During our rest stop we were pleased to observe a very large mastiff type dog (clearly a bitch in heat) being pestered by a small terrier type dog (clearly a male). The smaller male dog was taking long run ups and launching himself genitalia first at the larger bitch. The size comparison was not quite chihuahua  vs great dane, but close enough. As we pulled away from the cafe we noticed that, in the absence of molecular or biochemical inhibition, the physical barrier required by speciation had been successfully overcome.

Quite literally.

Louis

Louis:

For the rest of my life, I will thank you for gifting us with the following phrase:

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launching himself genitalia first at the larger bitch.


Again: I thank you.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,15:33   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 28 2007,15:13)
another good'un.  a veritable checklist of ignorance.

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It cannot explain irreducible complexity - where complex machinery in life has many parts, all of which must work together like a machine to work - and where each of its parts could not have independently and randomly developed in such a way that they all happen to work together;

- It cannot explain the fossil record, which does NOT show gradual genetic mutational drift. In the Cambrian explosion of millions of years ago, for instance, all of the main phyla of life came into existence in an incredibly short period;

- The fossil record nowhere shows one species gradually turning into another;

- It cannot explain why homologous creatures (like different sorts of frogs) have completely different DNA sequences;

- It cannot explain why to get to a 'good' mutation, you have to go through many 'bad mutations first - which would never have allowed any good mutations to begin with;

- It cannot explain the tremendous information content in even basic forms of life, which statistical analysis shows to be a virtually impossibility of having developed by chance;

- It cannot explain the fact that the creation of new forms of life is far, far more rapid that gene drift would allow, if it only happened randomly.

- It cannot explain why random mutations didn't muck up life's machinery and cause it to fail - the way a few lines of code that are off do to a software program.

etc. etc. etc.

Basically, the theory of evolution if falling apart from a scientific point of view.

There is much more going on that Darwinists suppose.

There has never been any proof that all of life on Earth was caused by random mutations. That is simply an unproven (and highly unlikely) presupposition that Darwinists make.

James

Posted by: James at June 25, 2007 11:53 AM


this guy keep telling me that there is an imminent revolution in biology, headed by electricians, diesel mechanics, accounts payable clerks and scuba divers.  or something similar.

anyone wanna guess his occupation?

I'm guessing retired property manager or electrical engineer.

Erasmus, does your insurance provider know you do this?  :O

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,15:52   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 28 2007,22:31)
Louis:

For the rest of my life, I will thank you for gifting us with the following phrase:

 
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launching himself genitalia first at the larger bitch.


Again: I thank you.

Arden, you are most welcome.

You should have seen the spectacle though. It went on for about 15 minutes and was one of the funniest things I've seen in my life. Every time I think of quitting anything early, I think of that little dog. The bitch could have snapped him in two with one bite, and tried a couple of times, but he kept on trying. Watching a dog launch himself knob first at something that has been trying to eat him for his impertinence pretty much sums up existence! He got there in the end, a real triumph of perseverance in the face of near overwhelming adversity.

I needed new lungs I was laughing so hard.

Louis

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,16:02   

Quote (Louis @ June 28 2007,15:52)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 28 2007,22:31)
Louis:

For the rest of my life, I will thank you for gifting us with the following phrase:

 
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launching himself genitalia first at the larger bitch.


Again: I thank you.

Arden, you are most welcome.

You should have seen the spectacle though. It went on for about 15 minutes and was one of the funniest things I've seen in my life. Every time I think of quitting anything early, I think of that little dog. The bitch could have snapped him in two with one bite, and tried a couple of times, but he kept on trying. Watching a dog launch himself knob first at something that has been trying to eat him for his impertinence pretty much sums up existence! He got there in the end, a real triumph of perseverance in the face of near overwhelming adversity.

I needed new lungs I was laughing so hard.

Louis

Dare I ask what your Indian hosts thought of this spectacle?

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,16:11   

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Erasmus, does your insurance provider know you do this?


do what?

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,16:18   

this?  it's another good'un.

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Species is little more than a convenient way to classify creatures that typically breed together and share a habitat. That has little value as far as Creationism is concerned, because what was created was "kinds", not species. We know, for example, that different species of cats (like lions and tigers) can breed together and produce offspring. Such offspring are usually infertile, but they ARE produced in nature on rare ocassions.

Critics often set up a straw man concerning Noah's Ark, saying that there's no way every species alive could have fit on it. But that wasn't necessary. Let's take dogs for an example. It's plausible that all of the worlds modern dogs, foxes, wolves, dingoes, hyenas, and jackals are descended from a single pair of dog-like creatures that survived on the ark. They would have had a very robust genome, with all of the information needed to produce each of the 'species' listed above. As population groups spread accross the globe, certain genetic information was lost over time in each group, leaving other genes to be expressed. That is a process that creationists call speciation, and it's NOT the same as evolution because it represents a LOSS of genetic information over time rather than a gain. Note that it's also testable, simply by breeding, say, jackals and wolves together, and seeing what happens.


That is why I don't fret over the loss of a single variety of beetle or frog in a rain forest. Those populations have already lost so much of their original genetic information that they were on the verge on extinction already. It would actually be better to 'cross-breed' some of those popluations. That would have the effect of putting fragments of genetic information back into one large pool, making it more robust.

Posted by: Charles at June 25, 2007 08:20 PM


note the consistent anti-realist position with regard to biology that runs through almost every comment. hey, they're just deteriorations from the pure idea of Gawd!  Fuck em, who cares about bugs and stuff!  Pass the communion wafers.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,16:22   

more from that guy.

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Flipping one coin and getting 'heads' a million times in a row is mathematically the same as flipping a million coins and getting 'heads' on each.

The fact is, there is NO DOCUMENTED occurrence of any organism having some new genetic material that wasn't present in its parent. Why? Because it CAN'T happen. Randomness simply doesn't generate usable information. Darwinsts pretend that it does, and they call that science. In reality, it's delusion.

Posted by: Charles at June 25, 2007 06:24 PM


i guess no one told him about this guy:
http://images.google.com/imgres?....rl=http

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,16:31   

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Dare I ask what your Indian hosts thought of this spectacle?

My wife was hiding in the car so no one could hear her laughing. My father in law, wife's uncle and I were in stitches and my wife's female relatives were trying to pretend it wasn't happening. They were pretending very very hard, which of course was even funnier.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,16:34   

Quote (Louis @ June 28 2007,15:52)
I think of that little dog. The bitch could have snapped him in two with one bite, and tried a couple of times, but he kept on trying. Watching a dog launch himself knob first at something that has been trying to eat him for his impertinence pretty much sums up existence! He got there in the end, a real triumph of perseverance in the face of near overwhelming adversity.

I guess he should feel lucky he is not a spider :)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,16:35   

There's a running joke in my family about the "Two-Bucket Award".  My Dad once won a bet with a coworker who claimed he could lift himself off the ground by standing in two buckets.  ("You've got the left leg up. Now pull harder on the right.")

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Critics often set up a straw man concerning Noah's Ark, saying that there's no way every species alive could have fit on it. But that wasn't necessary. Let's take dogs for an example. It's plausible that all of the worlds modern dogs, foxes, wolves, dingoes, hyenas, and jackals are descended from a single pair of dog-like creatures that survived on the ark. They would have had a very robust genome, with all of the information needed to produce each of the 'species' listed above. As population groups spread accross the globe, certain genetic information was lost over time in each group, leaving other genes to be expressed. That is a process that creationists call speciation, and it's NOT the same as evolution because it represents a LOSS of genetic information over time rather than a gain. Note that it's also testable, simply by breeding, say, jackals and wolves together, and seeing what happens.

Posted by: Charles at June 25, 2007 08:20 PM

Charles: Order of the Two Buckets.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,17:03   

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Erasmus, does your insurance provider know you do this?


do what?

Huffing the hard tard like this.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,17:34   

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It's impossible not to love that money shot at the end:

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I really am not ignorant of science; please don't stereotype me.

Think maybe she's, uh, heard that said of her before . . . ?

Several thousand times . . . . ?

(snicker)  (giggle)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,17:37   

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The smaller male dog was taking long run ups and launching himself genitalia first at the larger bitch. The size comparison was not quite chihuahua  vs great dane, but close enough. As we pulled away from the cafe we noticed that, in the absence of molecular or biochemical inhibition, the physical barrier required by speciation had been successfully overcome.

Quite literally.

(lifts beer high)

I salute you, my canine friend.  Way to go.

:)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,19:49   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ June 28 2007,17:37)
Quote (Louis @ June 28 2007,15:25)
The smaller male dog was taking long run ups and launching himself genitalia first at the larger bitch. The size comparison was not quite chihuahua vs great dane, but close enough. As we pulled away from the cafe we noticed that, in the absence of molecular or biochemical inhibition, the physical barrier required by speciation had been successfully overcome.

Quite literally.

(lifts beer high)

I salute you, my canine friend.  Way to go.

:)

Loony as it may have seemed, his ('dogged'?) determination was rewarded at the genetic level. QED.

Can't help but wonder what the puppies looked like.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,20:34   

Just in the last two or three days I read an article where the male dog was something like a dachsund, and the female dog was like a St. Bernard, and the owners let them hang out because they thought pregnancy was physically impossible.

I wish I could remember where I saw the article. You can guess what the outcome was.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,20:37   

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Erasmus, does your insurance provider know you do this?


do what?

Huffing the hard tard like this.

Back in 2000 I worked at a [edit: an anonymous coffee shop] in north Raleigh. I had to trespass people about once a week. One girl, a hippy who lived in her little Nissan truck, stunk up the place, dealt drugs openly, took baths in the bathroom, slept in the porch half the day, etc. I finally had to ban her when she was caught huffing some kind of chemical in the bathroom for the dozenth time.

Whatever she was huffing, it was probably safer than tard.

Edited by stevestory on June 28 2007,21:38

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,20:55   

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Erasmus, does your insurance provider know you do this?


do what?

Huffing the hard tard like this.

Back in 2000 I worked at a [edit: an anonymous coffee shop] in north Raleigh. I had to trespass people about once a week. One girl, a hippy who lived in her little Nissan truck, stunk up the place, dealt drugs openly, took baths in the bathroom, slept in the porch half the day, etc. I finally had to ban her when she was caught huffing some kind of chemical in the bathroom for the dozenth time.

Whatever she was huffing, it was probably safer than tard.

Less damaging to the brain's reasoning center for sure.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,21:02   

Probably. Though she emerged from the bathroom as intoxicated as we get from UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2007,22:00   

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Just in the last two or three days I read an article where the male dog was something like a dachsund, and the female dog was like a St. Bernard, and the owners let them hang out because they thought pregnancy was physically impossible.

I wish I could remember where I saw the article. You can guess what the outcome was.

Lopsided puppies?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,07:58   

Louis with regards to the dog, did I understand that he finally succeeded at heaving himself genitals first into the big bitch?  Or did you never get to see the money shot?

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33: James: "The problem is, 'rationality' can never lead to morality. At bottom, you have to consider something good or bad instrinsically (unless you are an amoral). You can then rationally construct a morality from that moral axiom."

So what you are really saying is that rape is only bad because God says it is bad. If God were to say rape was good, it would then become good, since God created these morals.

And without God telling atheists that rape is bad, atheists would have no reason to think that rape is bad.

Do i have it correct?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,08:02   

this one from ye olde fstdt.com (thanks for the tip!)


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"[A study shows that male Congressmen with daughters are more likely to vote for reproductive rights]

The conclusion they want you to get from this is that pro-life Congressmen are insensitive to women and don't have contact with any.

But I'd draw a different conclusion: Congressmen who are liberal are more likely to have slutty daughters. And therefore, they are more likely to support abortion for selfish, personal reasons."

Debbie Schlussel, Debbie Schlussel's Blog [Comments (44)] 2007-Jun-27


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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,08:24   

Poor old Bunts, the nautical dog,
He's sure to be sentenced to Stoppage-Of-Grog;
Port old Bunts, for 'chokey' he's bound,
For falling in love with a French, Afghan Hound.






from:http://tomlewis.net/lyrics/bunts.htm

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,11:20   

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I see, you are a darwinist from AtBC. You don't want to discuss problem but only to ridicule. As usually. I am fed up with people like you but I'll try to answer you neverthenless.

I would say that coloration should be white, black or gray (many mushrooms have such colors btw). I would compare situation to nocturnal animals where there is  no natural selection or sexual selection present as active force to modify coloration. Generally speaking moles are not as colorful as butterflies are. I have never heard about red owls with white dots. I have never heard about yellow or green bats. But there might be some cryptic function during day.

I would appreciate some ideas but you may keep ridiculing my posts if you like. You are a frustrated darwinists from AtBC I underestand you.


V Martin from the Dumbest.Idea.Evar thread

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2007,20:11   

more from the mines of worldmagblog....




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Theistic creator merely means God created things
Deistic creator means God created things then lets them go without maintainance or care.

Thus, Deistic is a subset of Theistic, it's like saying there's a difference between apples and Granny Smith apples.

Just to clarify the language so no one is confused by this discussion.

I believe, however, that if there is nothing - no energy, no matter - then there is no scientific law to measure or not measure. The scientific laws would need to be created as well as the matter and energy, thus setting the pattern in place. If there's nothing, there's no laws, no science, nothing.

Your position seems to be that scientific laws are transcendent, that they are there even if nothing at all is - that they precede matter and dictate reality. That's not a rational position.

Incidentally I wasn't referring to you specifically when I pointed out the flaw in rejecting a creator, simply with the position in doing so. I apologize if it seemed accusatory or pointed at you. My grammar sometimes isn't good, I shift tenses and cases too often.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2007,08:04   

Why, oh why, did I read this before the second cup of coffee?  

Re: the dog.  I knew a guy with a dog that was half black lab and half dachshund.  It can be done.  The dog had a very large head and tail, not quite as big as a full lab, but way too big for his body, which was slightly chunky dachshund.  He had black lab hair all over.  Every time he walked, it looked like he was going to fall face first, his head was so big compared to his body.

Re:  Debbie Schlussel and slutty Congressmen's daughters.  Hmmm.  Could it be pot/kettle, or is she just jealous?

Re:  Antediluvian speciation (somewhere on page 1). So evolution happened, but only after the flood, and only by losing genetic information.  Way to compromise faith and science, dude!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,12:24   

Reddot, edumacated creationist:

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Do I believe the Earth is between 6-10 thousand years old?  Absolutely.  We're not crackpots


I damn near died.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,12:56   

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Reddot, edumacated creationist:

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Do I believe the Earth is between 6-10 thousand years old?  Absolutely.  We're not crackpots


I damn near died.

I agree, tho FTK's quote (approximately) "the earth is either 6,000 years old or 4.5 billion. I'm fine with either." is arguably funnier.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,13:28   

I never did understand why she thinks that is a valid dichotomy.  

How about, the contents of the universe and everything outside of it [too] is just a dream I had one rainy afternoon after drinking too much chablis with my crumpets?  It works just as good.

but it lacks the tarditude of  'We're not crackpots', oh man that is a heavy dose of it.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,13:33   

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I never did understand why she thinks that is a valid dichotomy.  

My take is she was basically being disingenuous. She really believes in a young earth, but she's afraid to come out and admit it, and really let her freak flag fly. So that's how she postures like she's 'keeping an open mind'. She's quite unaware of how freakish it sounds.

All part of her 'all facts are equally valid' debating strategy.

 
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How about, the contents of the universe and everything outside of it [too] is just a dream I had one rainy afternoon after drinking too much chablis with my crumpets?  It works just as good.

but it lacks the tarditude of  'We're not crackpots', oh man that is a heavy dose of it.


Yeah, hard not to think of "I am not a crook".

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,13:41   

Erasmus,

I falied to spot your previous question from up the page. Forgive my delay in answering.

I am tempted to go down the Mallrats route and say "Dude, there are some questions you just don't ask in public", but I shan't!

I was present for what I assume was the money shot, the little dog was successfully engaged in joyous jiggy jiggy when we left, the lady dog seemed resigned to the process.

HTH

Louis (also a FCD)

P.S. The "we are not crackpots" cracked me up too

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,13:46   

Yes I presume that in order for her to make such a claim (re the age of the earth) then we would just have to add that to the long list of claims that she has already advanced with no support outside 'Axe Walt Brown!  I've already discussed this!  I luv sciense!  But I won't talk about it!' etc ad infinitum e nauseum.

But hey that is just my opinion and it just as valid as anyone else's.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,13:50   

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I was present for what I assume was the money shot, the little dog was successfully engaged in joyous jiggy jiggy when we left, the lady dog seemed resigned to the process.


she was probably monotoning 'yeah, yeah, you're the best.  oh my god, oh my god.  don't...ever....stop' while licking one of her paws.  

wonder what happens if they get stuck?  i couldn't bring myself to throw water on that spectacle.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,17:27   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 25 2007,13:33)
My take is she was basically being disingenuous. She really believes in a young earth, but she's afraid to come out and admit it, and really let her freak flag fly. So that's how she postures like she's 'keeping an open mind'. She's quite unaware of how freakish it sounds.

All part of her 'all facts are equally valid' debating strategy.

No, I think it's because FTK has at least enough brainpower to grasp the basic ID strategy ------ Big Tent demands that they piss off neither the YECs nor the OECs.  And more importantly, since YEC already got decapitated by the Supreme Court, ID legal strategy demands also that IDers of any sort must ixnay on the oungyearthnay.  (It's why Paul Nelson keeps his mouth shut nowadays about all his YEC crapola.)

The whole "legal strategy" thingie is also why FTK (and Joey) fall all over themselves to declare that the Designer doesn't necessarily have to be God.  (I find it funny that Joey's "does ID demand we worship a god?" argument is precisely, word for word, the very argument made -- and rejected -- in Arkansas, by Normie Geisler.  As I've always said, creationists simply haven't come up with anything new in decades.)

That's why I think FTK is, at least marginally, smarter than the basic dolts at UD. She at least grasps the basic concept of the strategy and understands, however dimly, why she needs to keep her mouth shut about such things.

The typical UDers like Joey are, of course, utterly oblivious, and simply can't shut their mouths.

And that, of course, is why ID will never win in court.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,18:54   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ July 25 2007,17:27)
The typical UDers like Joey are, of course, utterly oblivious, and simply can't shut their mouths.

And that, of course, is why ID will never win in court.

Do you mean Joe G or the far more articulate Joey Campana?

Has anyone invited Campana over here?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 26 2007,06:31   

Just came upon a peach by contrarian:

"We don’t know anything because it is unknowable, exactly because the designer is responsible."

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2007,14:52   

watch out for those cracks!!!

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The fact of the matter, folks, is that evolutionists have been proclaiming all along that dinosaurs and humans lived during different epochs.

To suddenly admit that humans and dinosaurs may have lived during the same time shows the cracks in the evolutionists' theory widening . . . .
Posted by: outkast at September 5, 2007 02:25 PM


more of the same old tard

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2007,14:56   

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2007,15:25   

ALL SCIENCE SO FAR!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2007,15:33   

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,01:22   

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"From the town of Bedrock, they're a page right out of history..."

Yeah that explains why  we (the royal we) haven't reached Mars yet....or maybe it was because of this.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cwT8h0sA-6A&mode=related&search=

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,16:11   

Bornagain is a dumb ass

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If you want to see research that stays within the realm of hard science, with evidence blazing the way to truth, instead of philosophy misleading the way to misconceptions, I recommend Dr. Behe’s new book “Edge of Evolution”!


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,19:43   

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I believe in adaption. On Noah’s ark, there was probably only one or two basic kinds of flies.

They lived off of animal excretion and other such waste. They, no doubt, reproduced during their time on the ark. (there by feeding the spiders)

So when the ark finally docked on dry land, these flies spread out with the people and animals.

Some of them ended up in the dessert. some ended up in a jungle or a rain-forest.

Over a few generations, the flies adapted to their surroundings.

If i was left on a deserted island with a bunch of natives. I would have to adapt.

I would learn their ways. Even changing my diet and my forms of communication and transportation.

I believe that when the animals ventured forth from the ark, they adapted

And the ones that didn’t, died.


Not to beat a dead horse, but that is just beautiful.


Linky

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2007,21:09   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Dec. 18 2007,19:43)
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I believe in adaption. On Noah’s ark, there was probably only one or two basic kinds of flies.

They lived off of animal excretion and other such waste. They, no doubt, reproduced during their time on the ark. (there by feeding the spiders)

So when the ark finally docked on dry land, these flies spread out with the people and animals.

Some of them ended up in the dessert. some ended up in a jungle or a rain-forest.

Over a few generations, the flies adapted to their surroundings.

If i was left on a deserted island with a bunch of natives. I would have to adapt.

I would learn their ways. Even changing my diet and my forms of communication and transportation.

I believe that when the animals ventured forth from the ark, they adapted

And the ones that didn’t, died.


Not to beat a dead horse, but that is just beautiful.


Linky

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Erasamus - You should have invited Liz to UD!  I suspect her and FTK would be best buddies in no time, and we could all have fun helping them get educated.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,00:36   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 18 2007,19:43)
 
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I believe in adaption. On Noah’s ark, there was probably only one or two basic kinds of flies.

They lived off of animal excretion and other such waste. They, no doubt, reproduced during their time on the ark. (there by feeding the spiders)

So when the ark finally docked on dry land, these flies spread out with the people and animals.

Some of them ended up in the dessert. some ended up in a jungle or a rain-forest.

Over a few generations, the flies adapted to their surroundings.

If i was left on a deserted island with a bunch of natives. I would have to adapt.

I would learn their ways. Even changing my diet and my forms of communication and transportation.

I believe that when the animals ventured forth from the ark, they adapted

And the ones that didn’t, died.


Not to beat a dead horse, but that is just beautiful.


Linky

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[spelling pettiness]
The relevant part regarding the flies:
 
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So when the ark finally docked on dry land, these flies spread out with the people and animals.

Some of them ended up in the dessert. some ended up in a jungle or a rain-forest.


Is there anyone out there that would like to imagine the taste of a dessert based on flies?
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,03:15   

snoeman - you don't know much about flies, do you?  The correct continuation of that quote is "..and some end up in the soup, because God wanted lots of 'Waiter, waiter' jokes".

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2007,12:47   

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So when the ark finally docked on dry land, these flies spread out with the people and animals.

Some of them ended up in the dessert...

I'll have to add to grace before the evening meal, "Dear Lord, don't let me eat in any restaurant owned, or frequented, by this tard!"
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,07:44   

Wow.  I've bumped into some doozies already this morning...

Our very own FtK
discussing Sal's bestiality garbage:

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Never even thought about commenting on the specific issues you have expressed due to the fact that...

1. I stated that I don't agree with his provocation...that covered all the bases. I don't feel that I need to itemize that statement.



Very. Next. Comment.:

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Oh, and here is something that neither you or anyone else has commented on.

Skatje's Darwinian ideology, and her views on the issues I mentioned.

Everyone pounds Sal for making an obvious exageration, yet one of the forerunners for the Darwinian plight's daughter is pretty much the epitome of everything that Sal and I fear will result from Darwin advocates like PZ Myers.

If we wonder what the outcome will be due to his prefered set of beliefs, merely consider the views of his offspring.

Yes, their views are the extreme, but he has a larger following than anyone else in the ID/evo. Internet community.

If we follow his logic...go Darwin/science/moral realtivism-eliminate religion, our children's children may well accept bestiality, incest, and the killing of innocent 22 week old children.


HooBoy.  

This one's a bit older, but I just bumped into it:

Loony Larry Farfromsaneandnotfrommissouri

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,23:26   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 18 2007,18:43)
 
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I believe in adaption. On Noah’s ark, there was probably only one or two basic kinds of flies.

They lived off of animal excretion and other such waste. They, no doubt, reproduced during their time on the ark. (there by feeding the spiders)

So when the ark finally docked on dry land, these flies spread out with the people and animals.

Some of them ended up in the dessert. some ended up in a jungle or a rain-forest.

Over a few generations, the flies adapted to their surroundings.

If i was left on a deserted island with a bunch of natives. I would have to adapt.

I would learn their ways. Even changing my diet and my forms of communication and transportation.

I believe that when the animals ventured forth from the ark, they adapted

And the ones that didn’t, died.


Not to beat a dead horse, but that is just beautiful.

Linky

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Um. In light of the Sal thingie et al, doesn't this advocate incest?

Here it comes:
 
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Hi Skatje,

You're projecting.

I'm certainly not saying that you have no morals. You do...they're simply anchored from a different base.


Yeah, well, at least it ain't a moonbase like yours, Ftk.

Darwinists advocate incest, too! But when God's creatures get all funky on the "dessert" with their siblings (born since the ark launched), it's all good!  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,23:40   

Har, har...I'd explain the difference, but that would be considered "witnessing" which is highly looked down upon by Lou.  Wouldn't want to get banned or anything.  Something tells me though, that I may be on his shit list very soon unless he isn't as sensitive as PZ & Skatje.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,00:02   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 03 2008,23:40)
Har, har...I'd explain the difference, but that would be considered "witnessing" which is highly looked down upon by Lou.  Wouldn't want to get banned or anything.  Something tells me though, that I may be on his shit list very soon unless he isn't as sensitive as PZ & Skatje.

Here miss, you've dropped your crown of thorns.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,05:27   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,05:40)
Har, har...I'd explain the difference, but that would be considered "witnessing" which is highly looked down upon by Lou.  Wouldn't want to get banned or anything.  Something tells me though, that I may be on his shit list very soon unless he isn't as sensitive as PZ & Skatje.

So there is a difference between incest as the world is now, and incest if  theres only one family left?

[ye olde London towne paperboy voice]READ ALL AB-OUT IT! FTK DECLARES CHRISTIAN MORALITY TO BE TOTALLY SUBJECT-IVE![/ye olde London towne paperboy voice]

(and by extension god is therefore either mistaken or not perfect. Or both.)

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You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:21   

Ian it could very well be that GAWD LIEKS TEH INSESSED.  

Since he is big on this theme of destruction regeneration, he has jumpstarted the flora and fauna of earth from pairs of creatures at least twice.  So that is a lot of generations of banging your sisters cousins second cousins nieces great granddaughters etc etc etc.  

For. Every. Species. On. The. Planet. Twice.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,08:21   

Tard  This guy never fails to deliver some really potent shit.  Searing hot off of the stove too.

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OUTKAST 01.08.08 AT 8:32 AM
The fact remains, and God-haters like Musing and RDean/donato will never be able to explain it, that if Evolution were true there would be millions of fossils of in-between creatures, plus half-dog/half-ape, half-human/half-elephant transitional creatures all over the earth.

What a total joke Evolution is


You forgot the Pygmies and Dwarves!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,08:33   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,10:21)
So that is a lot of generations of banging your sisters cousins second cousins nieces great granddaughters etc etc etc.

It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it...

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,14:55   

From the folks who brought you Darwin's Deadly Legacy:


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,15:13   

And so The Lord God sayest unto Adam, "Thou must pullest my finger".

And it was so.

And thus The Lord God did think to himself, Holy Shit are these peole dumb! They shalt believest anything!  

And it was so.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,12:28   

My current favorite tard quote (as seen in my signature):

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At the same time that research in the Bible Code has taken off, research in a seemingly unrelated field has taken off as well, namely, biological design.

These two fields are in fact closely related.  This convergence of the Bible Code and biological design should not seem surprising

-William Dembski, PhD


Hey Bill, we don't find the convergence of the Bible Code and biological design surprising at all. Not one bit!  And yes we can see how they are both related.  

Chris!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,12:54   

Another favorite tard quote

   
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Why is it important to know about angels? Why is it important to know about rocks and plants and animals? It's important because all of these are aspects of reality that impinge on us. The problem with the secular intelligentsia is that they deny those aspects of reality that are inconvenient to their world-picture. And since the intelligentsia are by definition intelligent (though rarely wise), they are able to rationalize away what they find inconvenient. This is what Bishop Sheen was getting at with the previous quote when he referred to the intelligentsia rationalizing evil, and this what Williams is so successful at unmasking in the intelligentsia's rejection of angels.

There exists an invisible world that is more real and weighty than our secular imaginations can fathom.

William Dembski, PhD


(emphasis mine)

Bill you are so right and I feel so unmasked!!!

You nailed it too - I don't reject the winged humanoid theory because there has never been a shred of evidence that they exist, I reject them because as you say it is inconvenient to [my]world-picture and boy oh boy I hate to be inconvenienced!  Thank you for "unmasking" my rejection of these winged humanoids you call "Angels"

I have a question for you, Dr Dembski, perhaps somewhere in one of your 5 PhDs you'll be able to come up with an answer.

If I accept the winged (bird) humanoid theory, should I also accept the winged (insect) humanoid theory as in fairies?  If we allow our world view to include Angels (in spite of the inconvenience and lack of evidence) should we also allow it to include fairies since they are nearly identical to Angels.  I mean the only difference is one has bird wings and the other has insect wings.  

Also, Billy, one more question.  Can you show me on a map where this "invisible world that is more real and weighty than our secular imaginations can fathom" is actually located?  That would be super cool if you could help me locate it.  My world now is pretty dang real so I'm really interested in this "invisible world" that is even "more real" (and "weighty") than the one I now call home.  

Thanks in advance, Bill!  Reading you sometimes is like even better than taking acid!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,13:03   

One more top tard quote for me :-)

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"I'm concerned about...ID's claims to science are dishonest, confused, ignorant."
William Dembski PhD


Ok, so maybe I used a trick popularized by Dembski and his quote mining tards at the DI on that one...

See the full quote/drama here

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2008,12:19   

A Dutch ID proponent (although he's not your avarage Behe, he's trying though at least not knowing that he sounds like a stuck and véry old record) has put this in his signature recently, I think because of our ID-disscussion:
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What evidence would it take to prove your beliefs wrong?

So much arrogance from an IT-person, who had no training on biology, ecology and aaaaall evolution connected subjects.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2008,19:40   

I installed a Random Tard Quote Generator at the Church Burnin' Ebola Blog today, using some classic quotes from AtBC and FSTDT.

I figured I'd add this one here - it's from FSTDT, and quite possibly one of the stupidest things I've read on the internet:
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One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.

Original Source

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2008,21:59   

Um. If I might ask, which side was the author of that quote on? Is it possible that he or she looked up and saw the light, so to speak? :p

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2008,22:55   

Yeah, I think it was determined a while back that Poe's law should be appropriately invoked on that quote.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2008,12:13   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 12 2008,22:55)
Yeah, I think it was determined a while back that Poe's law should be appropriately invoked on that quote.

Are you sure? I checked the Smash Brothers' forum where that quote originated and the guy seemed sincere in his Tard (he followed it up with "the sun doesn't count because it doesn't bring dead plants back to life").

I'm not going to add any SuperSport quotes because I believe Poe applies in his case, but as a rule of thumb, if it comes from CARM or Christian Forums, it's got the Tard Seal of Approval™.

Which reminds me... I need to dig up some LittleNipper quotes from CF.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,08:45   

Here is an mildly amusing piece of tard (title: ALL WET) that I ripped out of a newspaper some time back, stuck in a book and promptly forgot.  I ran over it this morning and thought it belonged here.  I think my favorite tards are the ones who completely undercut their arguments by making the totally ignorant statements like "when the cold loses its energy, the snowflake will melt back to water"

The Tard in full:

All wet
EDITOR: The letter of Nov. 29 “It’s physics,” shows once again the circular logic of those trying to prove evolution, extrapolating life from non-life.

The example used of a snowflake formed from water vapor actually belongs to the 1st Law of Thermodynamics, the Conservation of Energy. This law states that matter and energy are not being created or destroyed, they only change from one form to another. Hence, the water molecule changes from gas to liquid to ice and back again, with the input of heat or cold. Yes, two systems have to work in conjunction to trade energy back and forth, but nothing new is being created.

… When the cold loses its energy, the snowflake will melt back to water. There’s no new life, no new form that wasn’t there before.

From where I sit, these two laws still blow your theory out of the water.

C-----a S-------h(name withheld to protect the guilty)

Wilmington

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,10:59   

Quote (Paul Flocken @ Jan. 16 2008,06:45)
Here is an mildly amusing piece of tard (title: ALL WET) that I ripped out of a newspaper some time back, stuck in a book and promptly forgot.  I ran over it this morning and thought it belonged here.  I think my favorite tards are the ones who completely undercut their arguments by making the totally ignorant statements like "when the cold loses its energy, the snowflake will melt back to water"

The Tard in full:

All wet
EDITOR: The letter of Nov. 29 “It’s physics,” shows once again the circular logic of those trying to prove evolution, extrapolating life from non-life.

The example used of a snowflake formed from water vapor actually belongs to the 1st Law of Thermodynamics, the Conservation of Energy. This law states that matter and energy are not being created or destroyed, they only change from one form to another. Hence, the water molecule changes from gas to liquid to ice and back again, with the input of heat or cold. Yes, two systems have to work in conjunction to trade energy back and forth, but nothing new is being created.

… When the cold loses its energy, the snowflake will melt back to water. There’s no new life, no new form that wasn’t there before.

From where I sit, these two laws still blow your theory out of the water.

C-----a S-------h(name withheld to protect the guilty)

Wilmington

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When the cold loses its energy


Beautiful.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2008,20:32   

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When the cold loses its energy


I wish the cold around where I live would lose some of it's energy... :p

(Metaphorically speaking, that is. :) )

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,05:03   

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I wish the cold around where I live would lose some of it's energy


Immigrate to Norn Iron Henry ;)  It's never cold here in the winter (+13C today). Probably all that global warming.

Still, I don't know what all the fuss is about on this thread. All this crap can be found here:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

on one well funded and beutifully maintained website. Millions of well educated Americans are buying into this rubbish (look how successful the creation museum has been).

We're no better though. here's one of our very own tards in action:

http://godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=f213f155a82244b4a696

http://godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=824a4e34f9293de3b15a

http://godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=a11c56ee30acd5455fce

I apologise if  some people find the above frustrating



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,06:05   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ Jan. 18 2008,06:03)
Still, I don't know what all the fuss is about on this thread.

Peter, it's kind of like amateur porn.  Sure, all the pros can do it bigger, better, with more refinement and higher standards of production, but the amateurs hold a certain je ne sais quoi for some of us.

Sure, Evel Knievel could jump 50 school buses on his rocket powered motorcycle in Madison Square Garden with fireworks and flaming hoops, miss the landing, and splatter all over the far wall.  Sometimes it's just more fun to watch your drunk neighbor Bob ride his bicycle off his roof and totally miss the swimming pool.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,08:27   

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I wish the cold around where I live would lose some of it's energy... :p

Ha!  That'll only happen when Hell freezes over.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,08:35   

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Sometimes it's just more fun to watch your drunk neighbor Bob ride his bicycle off his roof and totally miss the swimming pool.


Nice one Lou . I see what you mean ! :D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,16:53   

I'm surprised our own Erasmus hasn't posted this yet:

ICR Defends Creationist Degree

There's some choice Tard there, including this response to Erasmus:

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Erasmus #2: In your estimation, which civil rights laws would this be violating? By the way, I believe in creation science, and truly understand the earth is not 6000 yrs old. It’s more like 10,000, but no more than that.


6000 years? That's nuts! 10,000 is a much more reasonable estimate.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2008,07:10   

On UD, the blog where tolerance and openness are encouraged (NOT), russ wonders
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How would a Darwinist explain his own abusive behavior in Darwinian terms? Why has nature selected for such behavior in him, but tolerant and patient behavior in the likes of you?


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2008,09:42   

Yet another favorite tard quote, this is one where the IDist is openly lying:

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can you or they provide any samples of things that intelligent design theory has predicted, which researchers have later determined to be true?

I have my own list of answers... - William Dembski, PhD


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2008,10:51   

Here is one from FreeRepublic (post #416 if the link does not go to the exact spot):

 
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Here’s the great hting (for the evo side) most of the assumptions about past unkowns can’t be proven, but they sure can be shoved down our kids throats despite a complete lakcof evidence and biological support- infact- it’s worse than that- it’s shoved down our kids throats despite overwhelming evidences that show the impossibiltities of it and it’s called science? If the evidence backs them into a corner? Heck, no problem- just adjust the assumptions to suit your needs with hypothesis that also rests entirely on assumptions.

And no, this is not a spoof.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2008,11:04   

Quote (Coyote @ Jan. 23 2008,10:51)
Here is one from FreeRepublic (post #416 if the link does not go to the exact spot):

 
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Here’s the great hting (for the evo side) most of the assumptions about past unkowns can’t be proven, but they sure can be shoved down our kids throats despite a complete lakcof evidence and biological support- infact- it’s worse than that- it’s shoved down our kids throats despite overwhelming evidences that show the impossibiltities of it and it’s called science? If the evidence backs them into a corner? Heck, no problem- just adjust the assumptions to suit your needs with hypothesis that also rests entirely on assumptions.

And no, this is not a spoof.

Ouch!  Based on the mentions by the writer of "shoving it down the kids throats", I think someone needs to dial 911 and report them for child abuse.  (Highlights mine, because I can.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,08:30   

Soon To Be Tard-Fest

I am posting this in anticipation of there being some wonderful material to put here from my favorite fundie idiot blog.

I would love to see some of you guys over there.  I'm afraid you might have to register.  i can't remember.

The poster (Harrison S Key) is a particularly stupid talking head over there and is not a bit scared to make grandiose pronouncements on topics that he knows absolutely jack-f-ing-shit about.  I would like to take him snipe huntin'.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,09:57   

Oh yeah, that's looking like a great new place to mine for Tard.

Quote (StuBob @ 01.24.08 at 10:11 am)
OK, I’m going to propose we do something totally and uncharacteristically scientific here.
 

That would actually be refreshing already.  But alas, StuBob shows exactly why doing something scientific is totally uncharacteristic of his lot:

Quote (StuBob @ 01.24.08 at 10:11 am)
Instead of, ahem, devolving into a discussion about the relative merits of Intelligent Design, how about we actually get some posts on the actual topic of “The Hopeful Monster”?

Why don’t some of you scientists tell what you believe and why? “Creationists are stupid” is boorish, boring, and leaves the real subject unaddressed.


He forgot "accurate".

Edited to add the link.

Edited by Lou FCD on Jan. 24 2008,10:58

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,10:05   

He wasn't happy enough with "Xion is a poopy head"

but Xion is a poopy head, and a young earth poopy head.  he is good for a discussion if you want to get him'her going about omphalos Last Thursdayism.

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,10:49   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 24 2008,08:30)
Soon To Be Tard-Fest

I am posting this in anticipation of there being some wonderful material to put here from my favorite fundie idiot blog.

I would love to see some of you guys over there.  I'm afraid you might have to register.  i can't remember.

The poster (Harrison S Key) is a particularly stupid talking head over there and is not a bit scared to make grandiose pronouncements on topics that he knows absolutely jack-f-ing-shit about.  I would like to take him snipe huntin'.

Compare and contrast the discussion of "Hopeful Monsters" by a REAL talking head, Dr. Jerry Coyne, who is a guest poster on this subject at Carl Zimmers blog, The Loom

http://scienceblogs.com/loom....ost.php

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2008,23:35   

Crandaddy drops a fresh one on Ed's blog:
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If ID proponents espouse god of the gaps reasoning, at least they're on the right track to validating it--generally, at least.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,11:41   

Anyone know what the fuck this moron is talking about?  I don't speak stupidese so good.

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69.  BY ROGER 01.24.08 AT 7:39 PM
Steve — roger … are there actual examples of these contrarian data, or are you speaking hypothetically?

Roger — Yes, there are. Some are located in the Royal Society vaults and are kept under lock and key.


Didn't post the link.  The claim was made by this fool that 'contrarian data exist that prove young earth, boat load of animals', adam had no bellybutton, etc.  this was his response.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,12:05   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 25 2008,09:41)
Anyone know what the fuck this moron is talking about?  I don't speak stupidese so good.

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69.  BY ROGER 01.24.08 AT 7:39 PM
Steve — roger … are there actual examples of these contrarian data, or are you speaking hypothetically?

Roger — Yes, there are. Some are located in the Royal Society vaults and are kept under lock and key.


Didn't post the link.  The claim was made by this fool that 'contrarian data exist that prove young earth, boat load of animals', adam had no bellybutton, etc.  this was his response.

Pure tinfoilhattery.  There's a huge international conspiracy to impose evolution and suppress creationism, which will cause churches to burn, Ebola to spread, and the rule of the devil.  In addition to the Royal Society, this conspiracy no doubt involves the Freemasons, the Elders of Zion, the Knights Templar and the Jesuits.  Also Oprah Winfrey and George Steinbrenner.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,16:06   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 25 2008,13:05)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 25 2008,09:41)
Anyone know what the fuck this moron is talking about?  I don't speak stupidese so good.

 
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69.  BY ROGER 01.24.08 AT 7:39 PM
Steve — roger … are there actual examples of these contrarian data, or are you speaking hypothetically?

Roger — Yes, there are. Some are located in the Royal Society vaults and are kept under lock and key.


Didn't post the link.  The claim was made by this fool that 'contrarian data exist that prove young earth, boat load of animals', adam had no bellybutton, etc.  this was his response.

Pure tinfoilhattery.  There's a huge international conspiracy to impose evolution and suppress creationism, which will cause churches to burn, Ebola to spread, and the rule of the devil.  In addition to the Royal Society, this conspiracy no doubt involves the Freemasons, the Elders of Zion, the Knights Templar and the Jesuits.  Also Oprah Winfrey and George Steinbrenner.

You forgot the ancient Egyptian bigfoot aliens from Mars.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2008,16:09   

"MY NAME IS TARDEN CHATTERBOX"


"I AM STERNBERGER STORY. I WILL DISSAPEAR YOUR QOUTES"

"HI. I AM LOUIS. AND THIS IS MY WIFE, MY MUM"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,07:58   

Sal Cordova has returned from a vacation to the redneck Riviera (Biloxi), and had a whole bunch of tard stored up, which he posted on YoungCosmos this week. It really is hard to choose just one quote from all of that dreck, but I finally settled on this one
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I got more than I prayed for. Coincidence? Perhaps, or perhaps not. It stands to reason that because the laws of physics tell us that the Ultimate Observer of physics predicted by Schrodinger’s equation is all knowing, it is reasonable to suppose God hears our prayers.

Not only is it a string of non sequiturs and illogic, it reads like he has been taking writing lessons from Denyse...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,08:45   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 26 2008,07:58)
Sal Cordova has returned from a vacation to the redneck Riviera (Biloxi)...

Sanctimonious Sal explains why he chose Biloxi:
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I spent part of my vacation at Biloxi. Here are some pictures of one of the place where I hung out. Biloxi is so much nicer than nearby New Orelans from what I hear. The people in Biloxi impress me as being God fearing…

God forbid that Sal should go to New Orleans, where the person serving him his Shirley Temples might be a fornicator, or worse!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,09:31   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 26 2008,08:58)
Not only is it a string of non sequiturs and illogic, it reads like he has been taking writing lessons from Denyse...

Sal's English has never been very good. I suspect English is at least a second language to him.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,11:57   

Another one from FreeRepublic (no, it is not a spoof):

 
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I’m not hteo ne going against htis- it is Macroevolutionists that go against this as the last 150 years of research have shown the impossible nature of evolution, AND that design is both observably irreducible, and that design is present in everything - those insisting otherwise are doing so purely on religious beliefs that a process as yet undocumented ‘could have been possible’ despite hte incredible problems associated with the process as a whole and at every level. Macroevo’s can’t even demonstrate one small aspect of Macroevolution, and yet they ask that we teach our students that trillions of law violating steps took place and that NEW information just appeared out of nowhere due to a manipulation of a species specific information and that NEW parts and systems arose that violate the biological process. The ONLY way for NEW ifnormation to come about is through leteral gene transference, yet the Macroevo insists that stepwise accumulations that violate hte second law could create NEW information- Everythign science has found contradicts this, and every experiment to show the creation of NEW information has failed. The Macroevo is forced then to insist that CHANGED information within species specific parameters is equivelent to NEW information, and that CHANGED information can produce NEW organs- and htere simply isn’t a shred of evidence to suggest htis- ONLY assumptions driven hypothesis.

Source

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,12:28   

Quote (Coyote @ Jan. 26 2008,11:57)
Another one from FreeRepublic (no, it is not a spoof):

   
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I’m not hteo ne going against htis- it is Macroevolutionists that go against this as the last 150 years of research have shown the impossible nature of evolution, AND that design is both observably irreducible, and that design is present in everything - those insisting otherwise are doing so purely on religious beliefs that a process as yet undocumented ‘could have been possible’ despite hte incredible problems associated with the process as a whole and at every level. Macroevo’s can’t even demonstrate one small aspect of Macroevolution, and yet they ask that we teach our students that trillions of law violating steps took place and that NEW information just appeared out of nowhere due to a manipulation of a species specific information and that NEW parts and systems arose that violate the biological process. The ONLY way for NEW ifnormation to come about is through leteral gene transference, yet the Macroevo insists that stepwise accumulations that violate hte second law could create NEW information- Everythign science has found contradicts this, and every experiment to show the creation of NEW information has failed. The Macroevo is forced then to insist that CHANGED information within species specific parameters is equivelent to NEW information, and that CHANGED information can produce NEW organs- and htere simply isn’t a shred of evidence to suggest htis- ONLY assumptions driven hypothesis.

Source

From that same source and post, we see:
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Simplistic Stepwise MICROevoltuion has been observed that obey the species specific parameters that keep KINDS within their own KINDS- BIG difference
Sounds familiar--look at the second panel:



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,20:53   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 26 2008,09:31)
   
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 26 2008,08:58)
Not only is it a string of non sequiturs and illogic, it reads like he has been taking writing lessons from Denyse...

Sal's English has never been very good. I suspect English is at least a second language to him.

Judging from his accent (you can hear him speak in this video at 4:10), Salvador is either a native speaker or was at least exposed to English at an early age.

Like Denyse, Salvador comes by his linguistic deficits straightforwardly.  His brain is simply no better at language than it is at logical thinking, interpersonal relations, or ethical behavior.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,22:45   

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I was kind of hoping English was his second language because, say, he migrated here on a boat from North Korea, hiding under a tarp, at the age of 15 or something.

I would check out the video, but I had some kind of exhaustion take over mid-to-late last year, and the thought of listening to Sal, or looking at Casey Luskin, or working on certain other projects I started in the last few years, is just intolerable. Tard exposure levels I used to be able to tolerate really got to me, I think.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2008,22:48   

I can't even keep up with my beloved UD thread right now. That level of tard is just brutal.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,12:49   

A soulmate for us all.  Much piss-taking of people who comment on the BBC.

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,02:55   

Not a tard quote, but I was wondering... does anyone know who is responsible for assigning The Argument Regarding Design as a definition for "Tard"? I'd like to give credit where it's due...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,09:31   

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Posted by Ash75 on January 29th, 2008
Casey's Critical Thinking

I’ll admit that some of the ways God deals with people in the Bible, especially in the OT, seem horrible. But then I remember he has a much better concept of the way life is set up than I do, since he created it. If he chooses to take people to the second stage of their lives by drowning them, who am I to say that my ways are more righteous?


The more I think about this quote, the more I need to go and have a lie down...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,08:50   

Jeeeeeeeeeesus Christ this is Rich Tard.


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SteveG: “If the universe does not operate under predictable rules, then there is no way we can ever really know anything about it.”

ASALTYDOG: That’s exactly your problem. How do you know that the universe operates under predictable rules? Because if you can’t know that, as you admit, there is no way you can have science. Given your world view, then, how do you account for the predictability of nature?


You no can haz scince.  God says Me haz scinec, betr wurld vew.

Hey, just in case you were wondering.
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ASALTYDOG: Rest assured that I belong precisely to the group of people who believe that the scientific evidence supports Biblical Creationism.

Oh we are assured son. No doubt.

Hang on to your tard-hats.  This one stretches the skin.
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SteveG: “Do we agree that the universe works, for the most part, by understandable and predictable natural laws (even if we don’t necessarily fully understand all of them?)”

ASaltyDog: “I have no idea from what pocket you have drawn these natural laws, but of course it must be a trick. I deny your concept of natural laws. I do believe that as a rule God faithfully does things in predictable ways. On what grounds do you believe there are such things as natural laws?”

SteveG: “On the grounds that when I drop my keys in the parking lot, they never hang in midair. They always fall. But as I said at the top, perhaps we’re talking about the same thing using different vocabularies.”

ASALTYDOG: That’s not the same thing as showing that there are natural laws. You have not seen any natural law walking loose in your parking lot, trust me. You have only seen some keys dropping a few times. Will the keys fall the next time you drop them?


Whoever said this was about repealing the enlightenment, collect your prize now.


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ASaltyDog: “Sorry, no neutral nor common ground here either. I don’t believe there are any natural laws governing tree growth. I do believe God makes trees grow. How do you know there are natural laws governing tree growth?”

SteveG: “I was mistaken, you’re right …. we do have no common ground. Unless you are playing some elaborate practical joke, which I really hope is the case.”

ASALTYDOG: Knock, knock. Anybody home? I ask questions, I get no answers.


We used to call that "Proud, to be stupid" where I came from.  Except I ain't really where I come from, no more.


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SteveG: “Find me one shred of evidence that dinosaurs and dogs lived at the same time.”

ASaltyDog: “Easy: the zoological, historical, and soteriological implications of the biblical revelation. In short, if dinosaurs and dogs didn’t live at the same time, I would still be in my sins. But I am not in my sins, so therefore dinosaurs and dogs must have lived at the same time.”


That's Right.  QED QED QED QED QED QED QED QUEERED

I can't bear to report any more.

This thread is one delicious mine of Jesus fighting amongst hisself for the prize of dumbest particle in His Body.  We have old women calling ordained baptist ministers 'atheist'.  I pretty much cowered as it was over my head, like the battle of atlanta.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,09:35   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 29 2008,09:50)
Jeeeeeeeeeesus Christ this is Rich Tard.

No, THIS is Rich Tard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,10:02   

Deleted 'cuz I didn't wait for Lou's link to complete before I decided to post.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,20:04   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 29 2008,09:50)
Jeeeeeeeeeesus Christ this is Rich Tard.

that is, indeed, a tard rich environment.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,21:11   

Quote (rhmc @ Jan. 29 2008,20:04)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 29 2008,09:50)
Jeeeeeeeeeesus Christ this is Rich Tard.

that is, indeed, a tard rich environment.

But it is a fact ;)

By your logic there should only be a handful of species left in the world. Considering they don't change and adapt and that there was a set amount during the worlds conception there should be a lot less now shouldn't there?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,23:30   

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if dinosaurs and dogs didn’t live at the same time, I would still be in my sins. But I am not in my sins, so therefore dinosaurs and dogs must have lived at the same time.


Holy crap.  My standard favorite quote of "the creator is in my heart" as proof of creationism has now been firmly rejected in favor of this new load of steaming illogic.

On the other hand.. it would appear to indicate that all we have to do is show people sinning to prove that dinosaurs and dogs didn't live together.

Wait a minute.. So.. *I* could sin, and disprove creationism.  Right?

Oh, the power...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,04:02   

Quote (Nomad @ Jan. 29 2008,23:30)
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if dinosaurs and dogs didn’t live at the same time, I would still be in my sins. But I am not in my sins, so therefore dinosaurs and dogs must have lived at the same time.


Holy crap.  My standard favorite quote of "the creator is in my heart" as proof of creationism has now been firmly rejected in favor of this new load of steaming illogic.

On the other hand.. it would appear to indicate that all we have to do is show people sinning to prove that dinosaurs and dogs didn't live together.

Wait a minute.. So.. *I* could sin, and disprove creationism.  Right?

Oh, the power...

I think you are missing the big picture here... This Tard is *without sin*. Holy crap indeed. It's the Second Coming! Has this guy got an agent?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,04:10   

A long time ago I had an internet debate with a fellow who tried to argue that "Food disproves evolution" as a base argument. Other classics from the, sadly now deceased, discussion included whales disproving evolution and many other equally as stupid statements.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2008,22:33   

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There are no laws of nature.
There are no impersonal forces.
There are no necessary connections.



I'm Not Shitting.

Put your hat on boy.  God damn it son get your hat on.  Trying to make a record here youngun.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 31 2008,16:18   

AFDave on lake sediments:
 
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Er ... Lake sediments are soft, yes. But incompressible? Not the same thing.

 
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To further make my point ... Water can be thought of as soft. That is, you sink in it if you jump into it. But water is very incompressible. Hope that helps.


[I'm not sure, but I think he meant to say "compressible" instead of "incompressible" in the first quote.  I know it still makes no sense whatsoever, but at least it would have internal consistency that way.]

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2008,09:47   

Best. PZ. Quote. Evar.

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I have to share a few tidbits with you from that hilarious book. It has a chapter titled "Purposeful Design" which purports to list 81 examples of design. He has very low standards. Basically, anything that works is evidence of design.

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The mouth, vagina, urethra, and anus are sealed by mucus when not in use and yet can open and close in controlled ways as needs arise.


This is a man who thinks the fact that he isn't drooling and feces aren't dribbling down his leg is a miracle from god. After reading his book, I kind of agree.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2008,15:25   

Great tard from Joy at Telic Brain Farts:

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We eat meat (well, some of us do) because it's an 'easy' food for nutritional purposes - our cells don't have to do the hard work of constructing complete proteins from raw ingredients, since we can get them pre-synthesized from animal sources whose cells did the work.


http://telicthoughts.com/news-in....-174682

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,12:13   

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ASaltyDog: “Sorry, no neutral nor common ground here either. I don’t believe there are any natural laws governing tree growth. I do believe God makes trees grow. How do you know there are natural laws governing tree growth?”


What would he say if you told him he was a pantheist?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,12:15   

I'm sure it would be an excruciatingly long tangential reply, or a glib chewbacca defense.

I've considered posting that entire thread over here.  I've wondered a few times if I'm not arguing with the Grand Wizard of Presuppositional Tard and Obfuscation Himself, Alvin P.  

Paul have you been reading all of it?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,12:30   

Asaltydog - slang for penis - has just gotta be a fun-loving trolling sockpuppet, no?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,12:33   

if so then he sure is a wordy bastard.

i tend to think he is probably the real deal.  he knows that ridiculous argument in and out.  the bit about stealing the ideas from your neighbor (referencing the notion of an observable 'real' universe) was a bit over the top.  i wouldn't be able to type all of that b.s. with a straight face.  if i were sockpuppeting, i'd be going the other direction.

but....

which one of you guys is ASaltyDog?

please tell.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,07:16   

I tried to get through it, but about a third of the way I realized I had something a great deal more interesting to take care of (my cat had used his box and I needed to clean it).  I doubt recreating the entire thread here would make it anymore palatable an entree.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,08:12   

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I doubt recreating the entire thread here would make it anymore palatable an entree.


No it sure wouldn't.  But what a fine example of tard.  The kind you can help.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2008,08:18   

The ever-reliable tardmeister DS opines that it is not true that the US is falling behind in science literacy.  
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Piffle! The notion that science literacy in the U.S. is substandard is rooted in the results of science surveys that include questions about evolution... So in those surveys they give the “incorrect” answer to questions about the origin of life.

And the commenters tard it up pretty well too...

linky

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As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2008,08:40   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 10 2008,08:18)
The ever-reliable tardmeister DS opines that it is not true that the US is falling behind in science literacy.    
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Piffle! The notion that science literacy in the U.S. is substandard is rooted in the results of science surveys that include questions about evolution... So in those surveys they give the “incorrect” answer to questions about the origin of life.

And the commenters tard it up pretty well too...

linky

Sweet Baby Jesus. Dave's been on a roll lately.... That one's a classic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,21:50   

Anyone been here before?

Sweet Baby Jesus with a poop diaper, there is some good stuff in'ar.

Two words:  Loma Linda.

Oh yeah.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,01:38   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 11 2008,21:50)
Anyone been here before?

Sweet Baby Jesus with a poop diaper, there is some good stuff in'ar.

Nothing like seeing a collection of tired old apologetics thrown together on one web site, tied together with nuggets of brown like this:

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Most scientists choose to assume the views held by the majority of their colleagues in the scientific community. I choose instead to assume that the Bible is a good tool for determining what has happened in the past. I do this because of my relationship with Jesus Christ


He must be on to something, though.  Whenever I read stuff like that I'm compelled to invoke the name Jesus Christ.  That must prove his point.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,10:39   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 11 2008,21:50)
Anyone been here before?

Sweet Baby Jesus with a poop diaper, there is some good stuff in'ar.

Two words:  Loma Linda.

Oh yeah.

Hundreds of pages, each containing thousands of words, all of which can be summed up with, "The Bible said it, I believe it, that settles it!"

Good find.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,19:07   

my personal favorite:

"I agree with DaveScot, how has Darwinian Evolution helped in developing the transistor (or semi-conductor technology), for that matter, how has it done anything in terms of technological advances before or after that?..."

pretty funny stuff.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,21:12   

Not strictly idc'ism:

I just googled for the phrase 'oil is fungible'.  As I started typing, the toolbar returned the first possible completed phrase--'oil is not a fossil fuel'.  This piqued my curiosity enough to click on it and lo I found some marvelous tard I had not encountered previously.  I am not a wingnut connoisseur, so I don't know how long this @$$hattery has been going on but they put this out only last week.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59991

The marvelous tard in particular?  The great discovery that hydrocarbons are not ORGANIC!!!

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The abiotic theory of the origin of oil directly challenges the conventional scientific theory that hydrocarbons are organic in nature,


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,21:58   

Quote (Paul Flocken @ Feb. 12 2008,21:12)
Not strictly idc'ism:

I just googled for the phrase 'oil is fungible'.  As I started typing, the toolbar returned the first possible completed phrase--'oil is not a fossil fuel'.  This piqued my curiosity enough to click on it and lo I found some marvelous tard I had not encountered previously.  I am not a wingnut connoisseur, so I don't know how long this @$$hattery has been going on but they put this out only last week.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59991

The marvelous tard in particular?  The great discovery that hydrocarbons are not ORGANIC!!!

 
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The abiotic theory of the origin of oil directly challenges the conventional scientific theory that hydrocarbons are organic in nature,

If you want to mine more Tard from the abiotic oil woo, check out the customer reviews for Black Gold Stranglehold.

Apparently, the authors of the book use "zillions" as an actual mathematical number.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2008,12:24   

I was tarding around on Frequently Axed But Never Satisfactorily Developed into an Ontological Argument CreationWiki page....

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Biological distribution
Why is there the present distribution of animals and plants in the world? How is it that marsupials are restricted to Australia and nearby islands and the Americas, monotremes to Australia, and few placental mammals are native to Australia? Why are tomatoes and potatoes native to the Americas only? (This is not a question merely of how they could have arrived there, it is also of why only there.)
Answer: Natural selection, which creationists accept as a selective, not a creative process. The other areas, for one reason or another, had proved unsuitable for the organisms to survive.


What an answer.  I will now accept that on tests.  Fuck biogeography, all we need is nature selected it so and creationists accept that in this case.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2008,19:00   

Pharyngula featured this gem the other day:

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Really do you believe both human eyes evolved with 3d focusing... at the same time- TWO SIMULTANEOUS randomly formed eyes? The evolution theory is even more weird as each male AND female 'randomly' developed the same two type eyes, That's four SIMULTANEOUS randomly formed eyes, dual random simulataneousness/duplicated!



...not to mention the probability of his evolving the ability to type without the need for a brain.

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JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2008,20:03   

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Anyone been here before?

Sweet Baby Jesus with a poop diaper, there is some good stuff in'ar.

Two words:  Loma Linda.

Oh yeah.

Here Mikey explains how God banished the demons that were making him afraid of flying:
 
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But what could I do? I was in the plane, holding on, with people all around. If I started speaking out I was sure I would find myself in the funny farm for sure. What I eventually decided to do was to pray to God quietly in my mind.

So I bowed my head and closed my eyes and started talking to God. I apologized for not being able to say out loud: "demons, in the name of Jesus, you leave me!" I seemed to know that God knew both my situation and my fears and I felt a security I hadn't felt before.

I knew from my reading of the Bible, that sin separates us from God. So I began asking for forgiveness for what I have done in my life. If there was anything that would separate me from God, I asked that He would forgive me.

Now I began to talk to God about my fright of flying and my lack of Christian grace. Would he answer my prayer? I started asking Him that if evil angels were indeed tormenting me, giving me uncontrollable fear, that God would force them away from me!

When I finally closed my prayer and said amen! I noticed something happening! In the space of about 3 or 4 seconds, I felt my whole body relax. And after that I noticed that I was no longer afraid! Sure I was nervous but I was no longer having to try to hold up the plane with my feelings!

For the first time I could relax my muscles! What a feeling! I was actually able to read my Bible for the rest of the trip. I had never been actually able to read anything in a plane before, I was so nervous I could not concentrate on anything. But now, I was almost comfortable.

For your information, today I am a private pilot. I have flown in very bumpy weather with my plane bouncing around to the extent that I had trouble getting my hands on the right instruments when I needed to change the radio etc. yet I wasn't overly afraid! You will be able to see, when I start, the progression of my home-made sport aircraft which is also on my web pages. I praise God for what He has done for me!

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UPDATE: It looks like will not be building that sport aircraft after all. Because I have chosen to pursue Creation Research, I have little money for flying anymore. In the future I will have an easy way for those who wish to donate money to the Molecular History Research Center. Not so I can fly, but that I can continue on with my research.

I guess God is willing to banish the evil angels that cause a fear of flying, but not the ones that keep money from flowing into creationist bank accounts.

Bummer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2008,20:58   

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UPDATE: It looks like will not be building that sport aircraft after all. Because I have chosen to pursue Creation Research, I have little money for flying anymore. In the future I will have an easy way for those who wish to donate money to the Molecular History Research Center. Not so I can fly, but that I can continue on with my research.

I guess God is willing to banish the evil angels that cause a fear of flying, but not the ones that keep money from flowing into creationist bank accounts.

Bummer.

In light of certain events in 2001, a religious nut boasting about building an airplane probably evokes some suspicious glances and phone calls to shady government agencies.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2008,21:13   

it was either build a personal UFO or work on creation research.  roflmao.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2008,23:06   

This one was mentioned on the UD thread the other day, but it's SO GOOD it deserves to be honored even more:

By legendary UD tard Jerry:

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There are thousands of ID studies done every year. They are in the mainstream biology and evolution journals. They are just not identified as such.

Read DaveScot’s comment just above. Any research study that compares genomes of animals qualifies as an ID study despite the intentions of the researchers. ID predicts that genomes of species in the same family or genera will not have any meaningful differences that can be attributed to gradualism. This proposition is confirmed over and over again.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,01:05   

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This one was mentioned on the UD thread the other day, but it's SO GOOD it deserves to be honored even more:

By legendary UD tard Jerry:

 
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There are thousands of ID studies done every year. They are in the mainstream biology and evolution journals. They are just not identified as such.

Read DaveScot’s comment just above. Any research study that compares genomes of animals qualifies as an ID study despite the intentions of the researchers. ID predicts that genomes of species in the same family or genera will not have any meaningful differences that can be attributed to gradualism. This proposition is confirmed over and over again.

That quote is too funny. In addition to the "real scientists be damned" attitude, while Jerry is implying that intent means squat, Granny Spice is at her new blog arguing that intent is of utmost importance.

Say it with me, friends:


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,06:52   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 16 2008,23:06)
By legendary UD tard Jerry:

   
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There are thousands of ID studies done every year. They are in the mainstream biology and evolution journals. They are just not identified as such.

Read DaveScot’s comment just above. Any research study that compares genomes of animals qualifies as an ID study despite the intentions of the researchers. ID predicts that genomes of species in the same family or genera will not have any meaningful differences that can be attributed to gradualism. This proposition is confirmed over and over again.

Someone needs to tell Jerry that if that really IS an ID prediction, it doesn't hold up. The genes of dogs and cats of different breeds are very similar, and yet the outward appearance of these breeds is so different that a naive person (e.g. those at UD) might say that they are different species. From that WaPo article linked above  
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When the researchers examined the genes of what are thought to be distinct breeds, they were unable to find significant differences among many of them.

That seems to me, at least, to be fairly consistent with gradualism. Small genetic changes can make huge differences in phenotype. Larger genetic changes could presumably make larger changes...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2008,17:28   

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I was tarding around on Frequently Axed But Never Satisfactorily Developed into an Ontological Argument CreationWiki page....

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Biological distribution
Why is there the present distribution of animals and plants in the world? How is it that marsupials are restricted to Australia and nearby islands and the Americas, monotremes to Australia, and few placental mammals are native to Australia? Why are tomatoes and potatoes native to the Americas only? (This is not a question merely of how they could have arrived there, it is also of why only there.)
Answer: Natural selection, which creationists accept as a selective, not a creative process. The other areas, for one reason or another, had proved unsuitable for the organisms to survive.


What an answer.  I will now accept that on tests.  Fuck biogeography, all we need is nature selected it so and creationists accept that in this case.

I wonder how you'd explain non-native animals thriving in an environment they're newly exposed to by this route.
After all, if they tried to get there before and they're so successful in that environment they'd have stayed there then.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2008,17:59   

This is not a quotation of tard, but a great quote from a fellow anti-tard warrior.

Louis I believe I know someone who has perfected an argument that you absolutely love.  This probably belongs on the self-immolation er skeptic's thread, but since that is farther back than I care to explore I shall post it here henceforth and anon and never think of that other thread again.

Norm is a young earth creationists playing science denial games and musing is knocking heads while smiling sweetly the whole time.  It's great but most of the tards know better than to play with her.  

musing writes
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norm p post 581,

what is amusing is that I also believe that the Bible, or at least portions thereof, are inspired by God.

But I will make no claim to be able to prove this objectively, nor do I have anywhere near the foolhardiness to claim the broad scope of objective truth to the Bible which you seem very comfortable in making, and in making without any supporting data.

And then you do seem puzzled when we call you on it.


musing is a very entertaining tard fighter that inhabits the fundagelical weblog of world magazine.  the kind of crap that posts stuff by Marvin Olasky who is a fan of D'OL.  and so the world goes.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:42   

THANKS WILLY WALLA THIS ONE IS CLASSIC, CHIEF.  THIS IS THE WALL OF MANY COUP MY FRIEND, CONSIDER IT HONORABLE.

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What if scientists decode DNA and it is found to have a cypher: “©4004 BC YHVH.”

Oh, nevermind, even that would not convince an evolutionist; he would simply assert this was proof of common descent.

Ever hearing, never understanding, ever seeing, never perceiving.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 13 2008,11:36   

christ this is good.

BA^77 you marvelous fool, PM me.  This Is The Good Shit.

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This following studies offer the first tentative “baby steps” in that direction of proof for Theistic ID.

Page 187 “Your Eternal Self” Hogan

In the studies, random number generators (RNGs) around the world were examined after events that affected great numbers of people whether the numbers began to show some order during the events. During widely televised events that have captured the attention of many people, such as Princess Diana’s de^ath and the 9/11 tragedies, the combined output of the 60 RNGs around the world showed changes at the exact moments of the announcements of the events that could not be due to chance.

To add control to their study researchers identified an event they knew was about to happen that would have an impact on large numbers of people and set up a study to measure the effects on RNGs in different parts of the world…….

Oct 3, 1995 OJ Simpson verdict was chosen:

around the time that the TV preshows began, at 9:00 AM Pacific Time, an unexpected degree of order appeared in all RNGs. This soon declined back to random behavior until about 10;00 AM, which is when the verdict was supposed to be announced. A few minutes later, the order in all 5 RNGs suddenly peaked to its highest point in the two hours of data precisely when the court clerk read the verdict.



For me this is verifiable repeatable evidence that overcomes the insurmountable problems that “random chance” has posed to Darwinism and offers proof of principle for the position held by Theistic IDers.


ahhhhhh.  that's right.  sweet dark warm enveloping sleep of teh tard.  

[passes out, needle in arm]

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,09:16   

I was reading the discussion on why so few Christians are involved in science when compared to atheists over at Heddle's Palace of Love when I stumbled upon this gem from Crandaddy:

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It just seems that a Christian should be drawn away from interest in material things. Augustine's affinity with the ideas of the neoplatonists who despised the material world and yearned for union with the divine strikes me as a perfectly reasonable Christian sentiment. Couple with this the utter uselessness of methodological naturalism in apologetics except for validating scriptural claims (and then only if we presuppose that scriptural claims even exist) and I am left in hopeless confusion as to why any Christian could take great interest in science--at least spiritual interest. And this, as any true Christian should know, is that which is of greatest interest.
Crandaddy


Gosh, where to begin?

Anyhow..It's in this thread:

Really Smart Scientists don’t Believe in God

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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2008,11:04   

How about this one on aliens being subject to original sin from AiG (UK)'s Paul Taylor:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article....omer-et

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Funes’s musings had a clear theological flavour. “Some aliens could even be free from original sin,” he opined.

Such opinions fly in the face of Scripture. Isaiah 45, which refers to God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, makes it clear that it was the earth that was formed to be inhabited. No other heavenly body is referred to in such a way. But if there were alien intelligences, they could not be free from original sin. Romans 8:22 reminds us that “the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.” It would seem odd for these poor alien intelligences to be affected by the sin of another intelligent being on one obscure planet somewhere else in the universe. Although my faith would not be shaken if I encountered an alien, these passages lend support to the idea that humans are the only intelligences in the universe, and Earth is the only place where God has created life.


I would assume that according to Paul Taylor SETI is pointless ?

Just when you thought it couldn't get any sillier

:O

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,11:00   

christ i don't know how i got on this email list (probably trolling in the virtual pews) but there are some real doozies inn'ar.
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To pro-life, pro-family proponents, in an age where a man can be arrested for proclaiming sodomy to be a sin, or who can be fired from a teaching position for daring to discuss God, these tactics will sound eerily familiar.  


hmm.  Expelled has matured into the marketplace of memes?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,12:07   

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To pro-life, pro-family proponents, in an age where a man can be arrested for proclaiming sodomy to be a sin, or who can be fired from a teaching position for daring to discuss God, these tactics will sound eerily familiar.  



hmm.  Expelled has matured into the marketplace of memes?





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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,07:46   

more of the same ol same ol.  note the goalpost shift from 'that's impossible' to 'we don't know how to profit from this yet but we are working on it but in the meantime let us tell the plebes it is wrong'.


Tardalus

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Recently the British House of Commons passed an animal-human hybrid law that will take the British people (and eventually all of us) into a future genetic dystopia. The scientists have been given permission to create any kind of hybrid, including those created from cloning, animal eggs and human sperm.


Sorry Kerby, the brits are human-animal hybrids already.  i heard some of them have three chambered hearts.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,21:37   

Tardation

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"It is an established fact that modern species of coelacanth are in a separate genus": Oh? Because you say so? Yet you didn't explain how this can be determined without interfertility tests. No, this "established fact" is by decree, not scientific tests of interfertility.
Philip J. Rayment 11:22, 1 July 2008 (EDT)


now that is dumb.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2008,11:20   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ July 02 2008,19:37)
Tardation

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"It is an established fact that modern species of coelacanth are in a separate genus": Oh? Because you say so? Yet you didn't explain how this can be determined without interfertility tests. No, this "established fact" is by decree, not scientific tests of interfertility.
Philip J. Rayment 11:22, 1 July 2008 (EDT)


now that is dumb.

Could this be the birth of a new creationist "argument"?

"Scientists say Tyrannosaurus and Triceratops* are different species.  But they don't explain how this can be determined without interfertility tests.  No, this "established fact" is by decree, not scientific tests of interfertility."


* Insert any two organisms here, as long as at least one is extinct: sheep and hadrosaurs, geckos and Irish elk, ducks and trilobites...


A few years ago, before I took up tardology, I would have thought this argument would be too stupid even for creationists.  I know better now.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2008,11:56   

john i think you got it.  

fossil species are articles of faith.

next thing you know they'll suggest fossils were planted by SATAN.

wait...  never mind.

ps i can't fault creationists for holding essentialist views of what a 'species' is, particularly since so many of my biologist colleagues hold these views, even if unintentionally. it is hard to rid oneself of sloppy typological thinking.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,09:20   

Good stuff:
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Intelligent Design reveals the wisdom of God

July 04, 2008 - 12:00 a.m.

The subject of Intelligent Design has been in the news lately, and it’s amazing how much resistance there is to it. There is hope, however, for quite a number of scientists are now admitting that evolution is hard to swallow and they do see the hand of an Intelligent Designer at work in the universe. Slowly but surely, the tide is turning toward Intelligent Design.

Some of the resistance comes from scientists who prefer to keep science in the realm of test and observation. I cannot fault them for that because that’s what science is all about. But for a scientist to close his mind to the obvious and refuse to believe in God on professional grounds is extreme short sightedness.

One of the early capitulations came with Robert Jastrow, an astrophysicist and founder of NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies.

In 1978 he wrote a book titled “God and the Astronomers” One of his topics concerned the human eye: “The eye is a marvelous instrument, resembling a telescope of the highest quality, with a lens, an adjustable focus, a variable diaphragm for controlling the amount of light, and optical corrections for spherical and chromatic aberration. The eye appears to have been designed; no designer of telescopes could have done better. How could this marvelous instrument have evolved by chance, through a succession of random events?”

Darwin himself acknowledged this as a problem. He wrote: “To suppose that the eye . . . could have been formed by (evolution), seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”

There is much more ... the human body, the brain, DNA, the construction of the ear, the awesome distribution of the blood through the body.

Sex is too complex for its origin to be explained by evolution. Males and females would have to evolve independently and the first evolved person would not have had a mate. Body organs and organ systems would have been useless until all parts were in place.

How to account for the symmetry of the body? Two eyes, ears, hands, feet; even the nose is divided into two channels.

How would the bird fly with a wing only on one side? Consider the balance mechanism in the ear, what evolutionary force could have dreamed that up?

Evolutionists are classic rebels. The theory of evolution is merely a religion that serves to discredit the Intelligent Designer Himself.

The recent movie, “Expelled,” is a good example of the resistance some scientists have to the idea of God. Intelligent Design is part of our cultural war. Someone has said words to the effect that if there is no God, moral issues are up to the individual, so, by denying God they feel they can do as they please.

To be alert to all the intricacies of our world and its ecology is to be constantly amazed at the wonder of it all. Our Creator has planned the minutest detail.

So, start thinking about Intelligent Design, it will set you on a rewarding adventure of discovery.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,09:35   

If I hadn't read it I wouldn't have believed it was in print.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,11:29   

Maybe these quotes aren't the most tardish, but they sure are the most ingenious pro-ID argument and anti-evolution argument I've seen in a while. I'll try to translate them.
The pro-ID one:
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All modulair cybernetic systems we know are the result from rational and intelligent design. (ofcourse that's not true by definition, because we don't know if that's the case with life, wich is apperantly also a modulair cybernetic system) The reason we prefer modulair designs, is because we want expandability, re-use, and control for bigger designs.

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We don't know any (unintelligent) mechanism wich causes something with a structure like (with wich he means modulair cybernetic systems, ofcourse) that to arise out of it's own (in an unknown number of steps). There even are good arguments that such a mechanism is impossible: For example, there is no reason why a goal-less and unintelligent process should result in a modulair system. A modulair system always is less efficient then a non-modulair system. All examples of "design" by evolutionaire algorithms (I think he's trying to compare apples with pears here, because how well do those evolutionaire algorithms (he doesn't even name one) simulate the whole of the evolutionaire theory ánd reality.) show that there is a preference for non-modulair design.

The bolding is from me.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,18:48   

Yes indeed ;) He actually sounds suprised that no one ever suggests that we are just really high-tech technology. Latest from him just came in, he quoted an article stating this:
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Natural selection could select the ?ttest already-
programmed phenotypes. Evolution works through
differential survival and reproduction of the superior
members of each species. Phenotypes are the ?nished
products of nucleic acid (genetic) algorithms. Natural
selection could not have programmed nucleic acid
algorithms at the covalently-bound primary structure
(sequence) level. The environment does not select
nucleotide or codonic sequences. The environment
favors only the ?ttest phenotypes. It knows nothing of
genotypic programming directly. Nature has no ability
to optimize a conceptual cybernetic system at the
decision node (covalently-bound sequence) level. Nature
cannot organize conceptual, holistic operating systems
and instructions from ‘‘necessary’’ (Monod, 1972) mass/
energy relationships. Freedom of selection is necessary at
each decision node. Gene regulation and coordination are
programmed algorithmically. No known hypothetical
mechanism has even been suggested for the generation of
nucleic acid algorithms.

And he's suprised that's not common knowledge. Like no one knows that natural selection only selects on the phenotype...yea that's true hidden knowledge, they're all hiding it from us! No idea what his point with the algorithm is though, I can't stand that math-language...I háte math.

Anyway, what I want to say with quoting this, is that you guys would lóve to discuss with this bloke. I bet that he would be one of the few ID-supporters that would actually engage in a meaningfull discussion. Ok, I bet it would end in nothing anyway, that happend to me as well, but at least he would say something meaningfull. To bad he hates the attitude on places like that, or else I would've tried to get him over here ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2008,15:44   

just because this is good shit to hear someone say with a straight face.

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From what I believe and read it was Original Sin that caused and is causing God's creation to break down.  Micro Evolution is fully supported by ID and indeed it is supported and predicted by it.  The loss of Information is why we get these sub-optimal appearing designs.

God's creation was perfect, our sin destroyed that perfection.

Or again that is what I Postulate.

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Actually there were no disease causing bacteria.  Yes, there was bacteria, but it was the fall that caused some of them to degenerate and give us what we see today.

Again, there was no death before the fall.  Our sins to God are the cause of all the pain and suffering we see today.




ALL SCIENCE SO FAR

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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2008,12:05   

"Evidence liberals have to deny in order to say god does not exist" or some shit like that.  Hilarious


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(Permalink) Posted: July 24 2008,19:57   

from an  Opinionated Teen(I am wondering if he is a Poe).

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Okay, Erasmus. If the earth were being rapidly flooded by tons of water, what would die and be buried by mud first? Hmmm…..what about lizards and amphibians? Yes. Not terribly intelligent, they would be overcome rather quickly in the earlier layers of mud-soon-to-be-strata. Followed probably by……say……dinosaurs? Dinosaurs weren’t too bright either, I imagine. Mammals are smarter, but they would be buried soon after. Now humans are pretty smart. They would figure out that clothes drag them down into the water. Then they would swim and swim…..but soon drown. After all, it rained for forty days. Of course, not everybody would be able to swim. For example, the Neanderthal man, who is just a regular old man with arthritis.


odds are he is not.  this is run of the mill tard from that vein.  low sulfur, no overburden.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,10:37   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ July 24 2008,17:57)
from an  Opinionated Teen(I am wondering if he is a Poe).

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Okay, Erasmus. If the earth were being rapidly flooded by tons of water, what would die and be buried by mud first? Hmmm…..what about lizards and amphibians? Yes. Not terribly intelligent, they would be overcome rather quickly in the earlier layers of mud-soon-to-be-strata. Followed probably by……say……dinosaurs? Dinosaurs weren’t too bright either, I imagine. Mammals are smarter, but they would be buried soon after. Now humans are pretty smart. They would figure out that clothes drag them down into the water. Then they would swim and swim…..but soon drown. After all, it rained for forty days. Of course, not everybody would be able to swim. For example, the Neanderthal man, who is just a regular old man with arthritis.


odds are he is not.  this is run of the mill tard from that vein.  low sulfur, no overburden.

Did you ask him how the flowering plants were able to outswim the ichthyosaurs yet?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,10:57   

i think outswimming is not as important, to him, as how smart they are.  or i think if they have arthritis.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,12:13   

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i think outswimming is not as important, to him, as how smart they are.  or i think if they have arthritis.

So did you ask him how the flowering plants were able to outsmart the ichthyosaurs yet?

Or how the creationists were able to outsmart the flowering plants?

Seriously, this is another illustration of how popular treatments of evolution lead to confusion.  The great-chain-of-being approach (Age Of Invertebrates -> Age Of Fish -> ... -> Age Of Mammals -> Age Of Man) leads people to think that, say, Jurassic strata contain nothing but dinosaurs, and there are only fish in Devonian rocks.  There's a nice bed of Miocene molluscs a few miles away from where I'm sitting.  Presumably, they were smart clams.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,16:03   

john i do not engage this fool.  merely incidental mockery and oblique derision.

there are enough thick seams of tard to mine over there to just poke around for nuggets.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,20:50   

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William Dembski: Could we please dispense with any patronizing nonsense about Darwin being less than the messiah of a materialistic religion that pretends to find its justification in science. If Darwin was not the alpha and omega of evolution, then he was either a knave or a fool or a madman. Darwin did not leave us any other options. He did not intend to.

Patronizing nonsense, messiah, materialistic religion, alpha and omega, knave.

Wow.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,08:20   

wow somebody should tell Billy Billy to dispense with the nonsense whereby he paraphrases CS Lewis very poorly, perhaps in the style of Dennis O'Leary, buy my book.  Zach I wonder just what in the hell goes on in his head, it seems clear to me that his beef has nothing to do with science (I know we all knew that already).

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(Permalink) Posted: July 29 2008,09:03   

Oh the Dark Matter TARD! (not on UD).

Perhaps angels push the galaxies around?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 29 2008,09:13   

Ooops forgot to add some quotes:

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I think that scientist are just too smart to believe in God, so they seek their answers elsewhere. They say that there is no evidence for God, but what that means is that they cannot dig up a piece of Him and study it under a microscope.


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They have already found the evidence for God, and yet they call that evidence, dark matter. If you don’t know the idea of dark matter, there is this uniform force, that is keeping the stars of our galaxy together, exerting a constant and uniform gravity field. This goes against the laws of physics.


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It is God who stops the galaxies from flying apart. So this is clear evidence of God’s existence. The sad thing is, that scientist cannot accept this, because of their prejudice against Him, and therefore make up these bizarre theories about something that cannot really exist, but is clearly there.


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(Permalink) Posted: July 29 2008,09:50   

that is primo tardery.  proof that you can polish a turd!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,00:47   

hold up hold up hold up

this fool you got to watch

on second thought it is painful tard to endure.  unless you like getting preached at.  

but this shit keeps winding up in my inbox.  too much trolling creobot boards i reckon.  beware, this is some heady shit.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,05:47   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 30 2008,00:47)
hold up hold up hold up

this fool you got to watch

on second thought it is painful tard to endure.  unless you like getting preached at.  

but this shit keeps winding up in my inbox.  too much trolling creobot boards i reckon.  beware, this is some heady shit.

Heady shit? All I see is the typical crea-argumentation, nothing special, just the same ol' boring crap. What is fun by the way, is that he's calling himself "Dr." really proud in that video, but his degree (English) has 0 to do with his bla-bla in the video.
The creo's are really feeling like stuck records, I'm getting bored of them. Let's hope they shed the skin called ID soon, and something new and fun emerges from underneath it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,09:21   

not heady as in 'brainy', but can you feel the vapors.  pungent aromatic squishy tard.

i admire his rhetorical style but it's all he's got.  i posted this because it is the kind of stupid tard that gets passed around in the creo circles.  god dammit it still shows up in my inbox.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,10:36   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ July 30 2008,09:21)
not heady as in 'brainy', but can you feel the vapors.  pungent aromatic squishy tard.

i admire his rhetorical style but it's all he's got.  i posted this because it is the kind of stupid tard that gets passed around in the creo circles.  god dammit it still shows up in my inbox.

Well yes I'm amazed at there stamina, how after só long they can still keep pumping out this crap. Kudo's for that. But even the smell of this isn't so tardilishious anymore, for me at least. I'm like "Is this all you got?", ready for fresh heaps of tard instead of this dried up ol' turd.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,11:26   

don't you still like to watch Muhammad Ali fights?  I do.  I like to play 200 year old fiddle tunes.  No surprises, just an honest admiration of the delivery.  

Of course it would be exciting indeed to see some new material.  Its unlikely.  In the meantime, the church rolls on (and the women have paint on their face).

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,11:31   

Quote (Assassinator @ July 30 2008,05:47)
The creo's are really feeling like stuck records, I'm getting bored of them. Let's hope they shed the skin called ID soon, and something new and fun emerges from underneath it.


  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,11:55   

Ooh!  It's even got eyespots.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,11:57   

Quidam - I demand a TARDzilla. pronto.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,12:19   

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Quidam - I demand a TARDzilla. pronto.

Rich - Give him some direction!

Whose face should be morphed onto godzilla's?

Behe, DaveScott, Demsbki?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,12:27   

This one is from PT (if you hadn't seen it already).

Tardage

 
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What’s funny is that the vast majority of hard scientists and engineers would probably agree with everything you wrote and that evolution is far more legitimate than the other current offerings, then view (probably secretly) the evolutionary biology and creationism share one trait, both are 100% completely worthless.

Engineering are developing the tools and mechanisms of our modern society. We power your homes, we build your buildings, we are the foundation of society. While scientifically correct, evolutionary biology gives society nothing more than cute 1 hr discovery channel specials. Instead of pursuing this worthless endeavor, why don’t you use your collect brainpower to actually improved society. Cheaper/greener forms of energy, healthier foods, cleaner air, instead of what can be only accurately described as nothing more than a “hobby”. In sum, what’s the point? Are creationists individuals with such poor mental ability to handle scientific topics? Are evolutionary biologists who they are vs being chemists/physicists/engineers because they are incapable of dealing with the intellectual tasks of differential equations/thermodynamics/quantum physics? I know this sounds harsh, but deal with the realities that w/o the theory of evolution, our society would exactly be as it is currently. (Do you think there were not athiests b4 Darwin?) Then think about physics.

The true “killer” of evolution isn’t from the ID or creationists. Actually, this debate has helped evolution’s cause for now the theory is top-of-mind in our non-scientific populace. The dagger that would kill evolution would be if people were more knowledgeable in the sciences, esp. the hard sciences of physics and chemistry, the sciences that supply the framework of our civilization. Then evolution would just fade away, not from challenges of how legitimate evolution is, but from disinterest as people would be working on more important things.


I don't even have anything to say...it sorta speaks for itself...

i r can hazz engineer toolz?

Yea pfff...dumb evos, feed the world like Norman Borlaug..he didn't need evilution...he did it with structural engineering, physics and thermodynamics...duhhh

<edit>  yay edit!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,13:39   



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,13:47   

Oops, almost forgot the essential tool of the trade


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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,16:58   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 30 2008,11:26)
don't you still like to watch Muhammad Ali fights?  I do.  I like to play 200 year old fiddle tunes.  No surprises, just an honest admiration of the delivery.  

Of course it would be exciting indeed to see some new material.  Its unlikely.  In the meantime, the church rolls on (and the women have paint on their face).

Please dear sir, do not compare

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Please, you're hurting my cultural feelings.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2008,23:56   

Good Goooooooooawahd this is the dumbest shit I have ever participated in.  makes me want to go abort a baby.


Tardalypse

not really, I couldn't give less of a damn about aborting some baby.  Just thought that this was pertinent in the (recently graffitified) discussion regarding framing etc etc etc etc etc puke.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2008,20:27   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 02 2008,23:56)
Good Goooooooooawahd this is the dumbest shit I have ever participated in.  makes me want to go abort a baby.


Tardalypse

not really, I couldn't give less of a damn about aborting some baby.  Just thought that this was pertinent in the (recently graffitified) discussion regarding framing etc etc etc etc etc puke.

I am in awe of your stamina.  Or patience.  Or.. whatever the hell it is that caused you to continue discussing science with.. well.. do we know that wasn't FTK using an alternate name?

I mean we have it all.  Claims of interest in science, complete absence of understanding of science, claims of being interested in both sides even as she discards all presented evidence from the other side.. and a fondness for Walt Brown and his wacky drag racing continental plates.

The story that the discussion was theoretically supposed to be about (and I did see the many attempts to discuss it instead of careening back to evolution) was equally painful.

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But if there is no falsifiability, there is verifiability. It is a secret verifiability available to those who believe and obey, who “taste and see that the Lord is good.” As Bonhoeffer said, “Only those who obey can believe.” Mystery, that. And slips the net of scientific theory.


It depresses me.  Because I know that the target audience of this thing thinks that that makes sense.  The whole thing can be boiled down to "well we really have no way to prove the existence or non existence of god, but because of my magical special feelings I have proven it anyway".  But they think it's profound and use it to reinforce their belief.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2008,21:00   

well to tell you the truth i have always been fascinated by these ontological proofs.  my reading of plantigna (and apparently I did somehow manage to understand some of it, I enjoyed Wes' understanding of that sort of argument in a different context here.) indicated that it's just a justification for an a priori commitment.  which is the claim that creos make about evilutionists, yet cheryl is apparently too stupid to understand that.  i find that sort of irony delicious indeed, although there is no payoff.

So for me it is the fleshing out (rhetorically, although Cheryl was rather mundane and hum drum in that category) and observing the ramifications of adopting such a position that is the interesting point.  That, and she is wrong and would perhaps be well served by being corrected (I was, many others are, but of course I was about 16 or 17).  Note the 'What do you have to offer me for my belief in God' as if that was ever fucking part of the discussion.

SteveG said in the beginning that she is a waste of time.  he was right, beating puppies is for boys of six or so.

yet this is exactly the sorta person that needs the education that we were talking about in that other thread (see the BW).  

unfortunately she is either too stupid to think about it (that's possible, given the long drawn out discussion of how she likes science because she knows the fucking name of one bird) or (and this is what keeps me fascinated by creationists) she has drunk the ontological tard and is incapable of swallowing anything else.  

I'll have to hunt for a tasty quote to encapsulate that since this is Top Tardery.

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Oh Erasmus, the “fairly sure” was tongue in cheek. You cannot breed a Great Dane to a chihuahua. There, clear enough? Possibly a chihuahua father to a Great Dane mother by artifical insemination, but I doubt even that would work, and clearly no other possibility would. In other words, since I suppose you failed to understand why I brought in dog breeds, inability to breed together is not by itself proof that you have a new species. It might just mean a genetic dead end (as in a hybrid or a bad mutation or dogs that are now vastly different sizes).

The fact that a lot of animals are similar to a lot of other animals is simply not proof of evolution. The fact that many animals have enough genetic variability to adapt to their environment (by natural or selective breeding) is not proof of evolution–unless they become new species in the process.


This is directly after I suggested some papers that discussed observation of speciation (I picked Rhagoletis and sunflower hybrids but jesus there are ton of others.  just like FtK, right over her head)

i don't know how to use the google magic to find the thread but Louis has a ridiculously funny story to the contrary of what this idiot claims regarding great danes and chihuahas.  I've met dumber tards but usually they are hateful.  This one is just like a really really stupid mousey nice librarian lady that probably doesn't touch herself either.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2008,22:51   

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i don't know how to use the google magic to find the thread but Louis has a ridiculously funny story to the contrary of what this idiot claims regarding great danes and chihuahas.

Out of curious coincidence I found it accidentally, earlier today.  It's the first page of this thread.  I was thinking about it but wasn't actually looking for it, but there it was.  Burning the image into my brain yet again, ensuring that I will never be able to look at a chihuahua without imagining it trying to bump uglies with a female that far outside of its weight class.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2008,09:45   

I have found a very unlikely source of tard: Pundkit Kitchen from ICHC. The tard in case is someone named Evil Pundit. Although it's politics, this quote is still nice, thick and squishy tard:
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Bush took the tough decisions that were necessary, and had been avoided by his predecessor. He ended the Iraq War (which had been going since 1991), and worked to install democracy in two countries that had been suffering under tyranny. He took the first steps in the battle against resurgent Islamic expansionism.

Yea, he ended the war....had a hard time keeping my beverage from my computerscreen when I read that.

  
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Hmm, I’m rather sure I’ve never mentioned the Great Dane/chihuahua thing before, but possibly I did. So, what’s wrong with my assertions about chihuahuas and Great Danes? Did I say something erroneous there, or you simply don’t have an answer? Can they be successfully bred? Are they the same species?

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And also the vast variability in the dog world shows why one shouldn’t always get too excited about minor variations in the natural animal world–clearly some species have an incredible amount of variability built in, and perhaps all of them did when originally created. (Most creation-believers accept the possibility that God created only one “kind” of finches originally, for instance, and that the variation we see today may be the result of a natural variability similar to that in dogs. We also accept the possibility that some of that change happened after the Flood.)

Thank you for answering, instead of acting like it was a meaningless comment.


I've stopped suffering this fool gladly.  Whoever said she was FtK 2.0 is no fucking kidding.  Well maybe she is prototype beta, FtK <rolls eyes> hon instead of droning insipid fuckwittery.

Just for the record, I may have been too harsh (well, not really, but here is what she said)
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Are chihuahuas a new species of dog?


a long ways back.  in the context of this idiocy

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or those who are giving me a hard time on this, please do your homework. I do a lot of reading on these issues, and it's pretty well agreed that one of the reasons for their being so many "endangered species" is that what used to be considered subspecies are now being categorized as species. So if a woodpecker exists on two separate islands, able to interbreed and visually almost identical, if one has more red on its head it will be called a different variety and considered an "endangered species." This isn't creationist imaginings, this is real-world stuff.

There's scientific pride in discovering new species, and there's money to be made if the "new species" is endangered.

I don't think anybody has a problem with the idea that, for instance, there might have been only one pair of red-toed gray humdingers on the ark if there are now seven varieties of them, if the varieties are in fact not separate species. A little more red on the head of one variety, or even a breeding group with a lot of albinos, is simply normal variation. There's a town somewhere that's proud of its large number of albino squirrels. If an albino existed on an island, we might soon have an island full of albinos. That says nothing about the veracity of the ark story.


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Is there a way in which somebody could make money due to a species being endangered? Outside of a scientist maybe getting a salary from studying the species, I can't offhand think of one.

Henry

  
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Is there a way in which somebody could make money due to a species being endangered? Outside of a scientist maybe getting a salary from studying the species, I can't offhand think of one.

Henry

I think the underpants gnomes could manage a profit off of endangered species, by a suitable adaptation of their business plan.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2008,11:18   

lol

does this seem like more of the same old "scientists are godless materialist money grubbers denying jesus and taking away our constitutional rights to shoot nesting blue herons with bb guns" meme, or am I crazy?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2008,15:15   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 05 2008,10:32)
Is there a way in which somebody could make money due to a species being endangered? Outside of a scientist maybe getting a salary from studying the species, I can't offhand think of one.

Henry

I wouldn't pass up a cheetah pelt if I saw one for sale.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2008,03:31   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 05 2008,10:32)
Is there a way in which somebody could make money due to a species being endangered? Outside of a scientist maybe getting a salary from studying the species, I can't offhand think of one.

Henry

What American Saddlebred wrote (more or less),  Also Eco-tourism.

In fact the species can even have gone extinct, and it will still bring in the punters.  Just persuade a couple of ornithologists that they've seen a long-extinct species, and they'll organise searches for it for years...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2008,03:34   

From a commenter at The Times (of London):
 
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Dachau and Belsen are clearly signs of intelligent design but they point away from the existence of a God. Intelligent design is not psuedo-science since humans employ this vehicle but good or ill. All the evidence points to intelligent design being a facet of higher evolved life in the cosmos.

kevin, Lincoln, UK

Way to go - start by poisoning the well of your own argument.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2008,04:36   

Quote (Assassinator @ Aug. 04 2008,10:45)
I have found a very unlikely source of tard: Pundkit Kitchen from ICHC. The tard in case is someone named Evil Pundit. Although it's politics, this quote is still nice, thick and squishy tard:
 
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Bush took the tough decisions that were necessary, and had been avoided by his predecessor. He ended the Iraq War (which had been going since 1991), and worked to install democracy in two countries that had been suffering under tyranny. He took the first steps in the battle against resurgent Islamic expansionism.

Yea, he ended the war....had a hard time keeping my beverage from my computerscreen when I read that.

Occasionally I get scared that the Tard Well will dry up. But I shall fear that no more. Someone's actually arguing that George W. Bush stopped the Iraq war that Bill Clinton didn't.

Words fail me.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2008,22:54   

holy shit nothing like some geopolitical conflict to get the raptureready nuts up in arms.  

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 #491  
Today, 12:33 PM
God4Us  
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On the way south.....
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Originally Posted by Joseph The Carpenter  
I think gog has already had his evil thought (controlling all the oil and gas). He has begun his move south (russia has said the president of Georgia no longer has the right to govern) and will take over Georiga. This just may be the start of Ezekiel 38.
My Guess would be ...all the way to Iran....then Israel !


And there are 40 fucking pages of that kinda tard

since UD has been so boring lately.  and i can't bear to read telic tards.  RR!!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2008,23:01   

Ping me when they burn Atlanta.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2008,23:09   

if only.

god, if only.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2008,17:51   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 11 2008,00:01)
Ping me when they burn Atlanta.

i don't think i'd miss atlanta at all.

need a south east breeze to keep the fallout away but....

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2008,22:48   

Channeling Lenny...
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 NIGHT TRAIN 08.18.08 AT 9:41 PM
That guy’s a JENIUS.

I’m not even discussing what the Bible says about anything, Einstein.

ERASMUS 08.18.08 AT 9:45 PM
I know I have heard many christians say that interracial marriages are not biblical and cite scripture to back it up. So it boils down to Victoria’s opinion; as NT has pointed out, such an opinion is one that is situational at the whim of the holder.

Victoria, don’t come to a intelligent conversation unequally yoked.

34.  BY OUTKAST 08.18.08 AT 9:45 PM
I’m not even discussing what the Bible says about anything

But this is a blog with a Bible-based worldview, my dear NT, so you might want to get used to the Christians here talking about how the Bible relates to life.

35.  BY OUTKAST 08.18.08 AT 9:46 PM
BTW, thanks for following Victoria’s suggestion that you begin sentences with capitalization, Erasmus!

36.  BY ERASMUS 08.18.08 AT 9:48 PM
Again outkast again only offers his opinion of what is biblical and what is not.

If you are going to throw away the Old Testament you have less than a full house of covenants my friend. And less than a full house of other things.

37.  BY ERASMUS 08.18.08 AT 9:51 PM
outkast if you need someone to read it for you I’m sure the guy on the next cot over will be happy to. I know it is hard to remember the that l and L, or r i and I are the same letter.

there millions of people who have ‘Bible-based worldviews’ that disagree with you on any topic that we may pick out of the air. What makes your opinion, now matter how inconsistent or depauperate of facts, any more valid than theirs? Or even better, what makes your bible-based worldview better than say the bible-based worldview of my plumber? How big is your bible-based worldview? Let’s measure it.


I love that ridiculous blog.

tard

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2008,11:07   

From Malta Today
 
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Far from becoming extinct 65 million years ago, the dinosaurs actually co-existed with early humans, and even helped in the construction of the pyramids.
This is the word of Vince Fenech, Evangelist pastor and director of a fully licensed, State-approved Creationist institution which admits children aged between four and 18.
“Of course the ‘dinoceros’ existed (as Fenech pronounces the word). It is mentioned in the Book of Job. They were used to help build the pyramids,” he says, adding that this latter observation is only “his personal belief”, and that it does not form part of the school’s curriculum.


Cue Fred Flintstone driving the the dino-crane...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2008,12:35   

wow.  how did you pick that one out of all the others?  what a great link.  nice to know that other parts of the world have fundie idiots too.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2008,18:41   

Quote (Amadan @ Aug. 19 2008,11:07)
From Malta Today
   
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Far from becoming extinct 65 million years ago, the dinosaurs actually co-existed with early humans, and even helped in the construction of the pyramids.
This is the word of Vince Fenech, Evangelist pastor and director of a fully licensed, State-approved Creationist institution which admits children aged between four and 18.
“Of course the ‘dinoceros’ existed (as Fenech pronounces the word). It is mentioned in the Book of Job. They were used to help build the pyramids,” he says, adding that this latter observation is only “his personal belief”, and that it does not form part of the school’s curriculum.


Cue Fred Flintstone driving the the dino-crane...

You gotta be f*cking shitting me...

Is he serious? He can't be serious... That's just amazing, world-class tard. And it's in the EU, never imagined stuff like that existed outside the US of A ;)
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contradicting himself totally in less than five minutes

*snicker* Cliché, but I learned to appreciate that (abandoning worthless dreams: it really does help).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2008,03:04   

Gnash, you beat me to it.

But here it is anyway:



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2008,06:55   

Quote (Amadan @ Aug. 20 2008,03:04)
Gnash, you beat me to it.

But here it is anyway:


YABBA DABBA DOO!    Sorry,couldn't resist......

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2008,10:03   

HEY!  YOU TWO HAD BETTER BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ALL OF US GOD-FEARING PEOPLE TO BELIEVE IN - UNLESS YOU ARE TEH HOMO TWO.

From The Bible- Psalms - verses 7-11

Yubba dubba doo

Flintstones, meet the Flintstones
There the modern stone age family
From the town of Bedrock
There a page right out of history

Let's ride with the family down the street
By the courtesy of Fred's two feet
When you're with the Flintstones
Have a yabba dabba doo time
A dabba doo time
We'll have a gay old time

The Flintstones

Flintstones, meet the Flintstones
There the modern stone age family
From the town of Bedrock
There a page right out of history

Someday, maybe Fred will win the fight
Then the cat will stay out for the night
When you're with the Flintstones
Have a yabba dabba doo time
A dabba doo time
We'll have a gay old time
We'll have a gay old time


SO THERE BETTER NOT BE TWO MANY BEDROCKERS AROUND HEAR.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,12:03   

Replies to Desmon Morris writing in the Daily Mail:

Two centuries on, a salute to Charles Darwin: Hero for our age:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news....ge.html

first of all a classic:

   
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Rubbish, Darwin recanted on his deathbed, he believed in God and knew we didn't come from monkeys, if we did, why haven't the monkeys in zoos turned into men?


followed by:

   
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The idea was that it was created perfect then man´s downfall made it bad. Take it or leave it but don´t distort it. As for evolution, it was around a long time before Darwin, he just made it fit with an atheist version.


I'm currently having a discussion (debate ?) with two tards (trolls ?) on the Premier Christian Radio Forum:

http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/forum/topics/2060181:Topic:12087

It really is becoming tedious (I really will have to get out of the house more. The subject is:

"Should Creation Theory be Taught in Schools Alongside Evolution?"

Despite raising the Dover trial many times (along with various links to Talkorigins, Ken miller, Ed Brayton etc. etc.) these are some of the replies:

Dr Derek P. Blake on Dover:

   
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Just wondering about under what authority a court has to decide the origin of the universe and life; is there a judge or jury on this planet qualified to make that judgement? The decision of the court was based upon the performance of counsels, for and against, rather like the current craze for talent contents, it’s not about the song but the presentation. No I don’t think that the ID issue is obsolete, they just need a better brief.


Ploughboy on Ken Miller (Ploughboy is a conspiracy theorist and believes the moon landings were faked):

   
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thankfully since the man is incapable of doing anything except poking fun at his opponent. The man is totally incapable of making a case against either intelligent design or Creationism. As far as I can see he is a fool and unfit to teach.


Ploughboy puts forward these claims:

   
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Is not the recession of the Moon a scientific fact?
Is not the salinity of the oceans a scientific fact?
Are not the comets a scientific fact?


I linked to Talkorigins and Tim Thompson's page as a response.

Ploughboy's opinion of Talkorigins:

   
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Yawn, TalkOrigins is the biggest load of nonsense ever, I really cannot be bothered to say much except that all the responses are not of fact but of hypothesis.


adding:

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However you did rather jump the gun did you not?

 The recession of the Moon is a scientific fact
The salinity of the oceans is a scientific fact
The comets are a scientific fact.

I might add that the retention of helium in zircons is also a scientific fact


and:

   
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What is not a scientific fact is Evolution since it has not been observed or demonstrated. Nor, come to that, is the Oort cloud or the Big Bang. Science is based on observation not on wishful thinking.


to which I replied:

   
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If by scientific fact you mean they pove the Earth is young then no. None of these have any relevance to the age of the Earth/ solar system.


   
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I'm sorry Martin but have you ever heard of the cosmic microwave background radiation ? Penzias and Wilson received the Nobel prize in physics for their discovery in 1965. The CMBR disproved one theory (the steady state theory) and confirmed another (the big bang). No evidence for the big bang ? Just turn on your TV set and you'll see it for yourself (it's basically static by the way)


So, plenty there to chew on. I think my replies and numerous links were wasted. My favourite is Derek Blake's analysis of Dover. And you guys had the nerve to assume ID was dead and buried.







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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,12:51   

Peter - I give you full credit for trying, but it has been well-proven over the years, that while you can lead a creo to the truth, you can't make him take his fingers out of his ears and actually learn anything.

PZ Myers posted about one aspect of the creo-shuffle earlier today:

False Equivalence

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,14:32   

The Desmon Morris list, so far;

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Alison, Sevenoaks, UK, 27/12/2008 2:12 Rubbish, Darwin recanted on his deathbed, he believed in God and knew we didn't come from monkeys, if we did, why haven't the monkeys in zoos turned into men?


Alison, You have repeated a century old lie attributed to the evangelist Lady Hope. It was repudiated by Dawrin’s wife Emma and his daughter, who were with Charles R. at his death. They pointed out that Lady Hope was never in Darwin’s house near the time of his death. As to your confusion about common descent (why are there still monkeys?) The first error you make is that there is a particular evolutionary goal- monkeys are not teleologically directed to become humans. The second is summed up by asking, “If you came from your grandparents, why do you have cousins?” Or, “If America was founded by Europeans, why are there Europeans?”  

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David, uk, 27/12/2008 08:46 The idea was that it was created perfect then man´s downfall made it bad. Take it or leave it but don´t distort it. As for evolution, it was around a long time before Darwin, he just made it fit with an atheist version.


David, Creationists are ignorant about science, and also theology and history. The notion that prior to the “Fall of Man” the creation was “perfect” is not biblical. In Genesis 1:31, God expressed (for the sake of argument) that the creation was “very good.” God was pleased. That would necessarily include the creation of “the serpent” who appeared in Gen 3:1. The notion that “very good” should exclude things we humans dislike is categorically rejected in Job 38.  Darwin’s scientific contribution was twofold, he provided a mechanism for evolution, and he combined this insight with actual observations. These had already been published in his “Voyage of the Beagle,” and in scientific proceedings. Far from being atheistic, the word “agnostic” was coined specifically to describe the proper attitude of science toward the supernatural.

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Billie, York, 27/12/2008 07:50 Why hasn't Alfred Russell Wallace been given any credit in this article? If it wasn't for Wallace making the same but independant discovery as Darwin 20 years later, the truth may have never come out, because Darwin didn't have the guts to publish his theories and anger the church. Thankfully, Wallace had no such compulsions so Darwin was pushed into publishing or losing the credit. Wallace was later discredited because of his belief in mediums and the occult but that shouldn't mean that he is erased from history altogether, he was an extremely clever man.


Billie, The article is prompted by the impending celebrations of Darwin’s anniversaries. Wait for Wallace’s birthday, and throw a big party. I will note that Wallace was the first to receive the gold Darwin-Wallace Medal from the Linnean Society of London. Creationists attack Darwin because he is better known, and they like single targets.

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catnap, Swansea Wales, 26/12/2008 22:10 Darwin was a great man indeed, his Origin of the Species is a masterpiece of how different life forms have physically evolved. However there is something missing, and that is a theory of the evolution of behaviour (or of the brain). All animals display behavioral traits, likes and dislikes, individual and group behaviour, preferences and prejudices etc. Where do our emotions come from? Why are they there? What purpose did they serve? Whether you consider certain behaviour as good or bad is irrelevant. That behaviour served a purpose in the past and is a consequence of evolution. For example, where does racial prejudice come from? Could it be from the requirement for group survival?


Catnap, There is a book by C. R. Darwin that you might look into, “The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals” published in 1872. The argument that biological  emotional and cognitive skills equate to “racism” is a false-step. When we start dealing with humans, we must be cautious that historical accident and social reification are not taken to be absolute. Languages make an excellent counter example. Any normal human baby can be taught any “mother tongue.”  Early linguists of the Nineteenth Century believed that facility in a particular language was innately inherited. This was persuasive to Ernst Haeckel, who concluded that other traits we now know are cultural were biological.


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Watchkeeper, UK, 26/12/2008 19:25 "... this blue-green slime was the original ooze from which all life on this planet evolved."

Oh, really? And the experimental evidence to support this hypothesis would be ... what? As Richard Feynman said: "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." There is absolutely no experimental evidence to support the hypothesis that all life on this planet evolved from blue-green slime. None. It must be accepted by faith. That is unscientific, and the hypothesis should therefore be rejected.


Watchkeeper, That we, and all other life on earth have as a common ancestor a “monera” is supported by genetics and geochemistry. (I use the term monera as intended historically, as the precursor to the bacteria, archaea and eukarya.) The theory of evolution is not dependent on the origin of life. But, for those interested I recommend;  Iris Fry, 2000 "The Emergence of Life on Earth: A Historical and Scientific Overview" (Rutgers University Press) is the best general reader book available on the topic. It is eight years old, and a second edition is warranted to bring her presentation up to date. A bit more technical is J. William Schopf (editor), 2002 “Life’s Origin: The Beginnings of Biological Evolution” (University of California Press), but it is well worth the effort.

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Richard Morant, Houston Texas, USA, 26/12/2008 19:14, Hy Ds,
I have never gotten over a statement you made about a decade ago on your superb series about Human Sexuality.
The crux of your statement atrributed to Evolution, the early demise of the males in the populaton. Thus leaving the family to wife and grandmother.
Although I love Science, I could never figure out, how the genes passed on at the conception of a male baby, could then be told at some later date, remotely, to self destruct when he was older.
I realise that if they were already there, they could be passed on.
What kind of influence could possibly make a persons genes change from original programming to then, go back in time, to affect him after he was born.
I believe that Scientists are using evolution in conversation, as if it were a creative, omnipotent influence.; and THAT, is proposterous.


Richard Morant, You have made several errors in less than 1000 characters. While most cells have fixed lifetimes, the notion that human males are “… told at some later date, remotely, to self destruct” is absurd, and not at all what any scientist would suggest. We human males (and some of our non-human brothers) have elevated levels of Corticosteroids. This gives us some advantages in muscle mass, shortened reaction times- even heightened anger. It also leads to hypertension, connective tissue degradation and cation imbalances. In short, we hunt and fight good, and otherwise stroke out, or have heart attacks. This has nothing to do at all with reproductive fitness- in fact well built, aggressive “macho-men” are quite popular. What is “preposterous” is that you think we attribute omnipotence to biology.

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James Plaskett, Cartagena, Spain, 26/12/2008 16:27 It´s all very well to point out how well-adapted finches beaks may be, but the big snag for those who extoll Darwin´s idea of Natural Selection is that the simplest of all living things is perfectly adapted to any and all environments.

Monocellular bacteria do alright on alpine peaks, in deserts, Antartic tundra, jungles or 10,000 metres down in the ocean.

So the whole idea of things becoming better adapted through natural selection is wrong.

Sorry.


James Plaskett, You seem to have the odd idea that all bacteria are the same. It is true that species concepts are more fluid when dealing with bacteria, but never to the degree you imagine. At the same time, I note that it did take at least 3 billion years before we see complex metazoans emerge mostly single celled life. But, geochemistry provides very good guides at to what changing environmental conditions contributed, along with natural selection and genetic variation. The level of changes were on the order of entire global chemistry alteration. Search on the Archean atmosphere just to start.

Edited by Dr.GH on Dec. 29 2008,12:47

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,14:46   

Front Loading=3.5 billion years of lost history.

No?

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