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Cue: Iím not following this thread too closely, but to say that methodological naturalism is an essential ingredient of the scientific method betrays a gross ignorance of the history and philosophy of science. Indeed, itís not even fair to say that there is one scientific method. Percy Bridgman put it this way: ďthe scientific method, insofar as it is a method, is doing oneís damndest with oneís mind, no holds barred.Ē In any case, youíre out of here.
What was Cue's transgression?
The usual, not kissing Bill's ass enthusiastically enough:
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Bornagain, to say that it is artificial may be correct, but to say that it is unnecessary is not. The scientific method is a specific process. It is not the only process. It is, however, the process represented in the schools when natural science is taught.
Studies that donít fit the scientific method, such as they arenít conducive to experiments or arenít readily communicable, can still be studied, but not as a natural science.
In 61 above, when you find imposed materialism to be the biggest hinderance to science, I suggest that simply doesnít make sense. Science (natural science), by definition, has that imposition. If you mean that imposed materialism is the biggest hindereance to knowledge - appreciating that science is but one tool to gain knowledge - then the argument would make more sense.
What is especially entertaining about WAD's post is that Percy Bridgman was the originator of operationism (although he never liked that term), and sought to replace abstract theoretical concepts within physics with the analysis of the operations by which those concepts are measured. These notions were influential among logical positivists. The logical positivist Feigl spent a sabbatical with Bridgman in 1930, after which he joined the faculty at Harvard and brought Bridgmanís views to the attention of E.G. Boring and his students S. S. Stevens and B. F. Skinner. As transplanted to behaviorism, operationism construed subjective experiences and cognitive activity (and agency generally) as beyond the reach of a truly scientific psychology. †
In short, Bridgman, whom WAD quotes in support of his warped construal of the natural world in terms of a guiding (but shy) intelligence, was actually the author of ideas that resulted in the ejection of intelligence and agency from human psychology for 50 years.
You'd think the guy would read up a little before he begins to go on about "gross ignorance of the history and philosophy of science."
Would you like me to give a P-A-R-:0)-D-Y of Lady Boy Bill's facetiousness to that rather phosphorous materialist reduction of said Girlyman's
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