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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2008,11:26   

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What is DD? Not her bra size... I'm guessing Divine Design?

Darwin defenders, I suppose.

Well, that's a Strawman, and denies all the things that came after Darwin (genetics, etc)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2008,08:18   

Quote (olegt @ May 22 2008,10:53)
I might add that Zachriel is taking it a bit too far, though I agree with the gist of his argument.  

Have you ever watched the pirouette of the Earth and Moon as they orbit the Sun? In the Platonic Realm, an ellipse is an ellipse. The Moon's orbit around the sun is not much of an ellipse, but more of dodecagon with rounded corners (and even then, the orbits don't line up).



If the Moon were pulled over and told to walk an ellipse, poor Luna would fail the sobriety test—again. (And let's not even bring up navigating the Asteroid Belt.)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2008,08:47   

Quote (Zachriel @ May 23 2008,03:18)
 
Quote (olegt @ May 22 2008,10:53)
I might add that Zachriel is taking it a bit too far, though I agree with the gist of his argument.  

Have you ever watched the pirouette of the Earth and Moon as they orbit the Sun? In the Platonic Realm, an ellipse is an ellipse. The Moon's orbit around the sun is not much of an ellipse, but more of dodecagon with rounded corners (and even then, the orbits don't line up).



If the Moon were pulled over and told to walk an ellipse, poor Luna would fail the sobriety test—again.

Well, obviously!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 25 2008,16:08   

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Intelligence: A Useful Concept
Posted in Random Stuff on May 24th, 2008 by Bradford

Despite assertions to the contrary scientists, social scientists, educators and professionals in many fields have found the term intelligence to be both a useful concept and one that can be used in conjuction with explanations related to research.


http://telicthoughts.com/intelligence-a-useful-concept/

That Bradford is as dumb as a bag of rocks.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2008,09:23   

More Telic Tards:

http://telicthoughts.com/naive-realism-redux/#comments

Keep up the good work OlegT & Zach.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2008,16:32   

I emailed Guts (his address was listed at Telic Thoughts) asking him to check the server logs to verify that I have no sock puppets.  I do not know if he is the site administrator, but based on posts here it looks like he has some sort of admin priviledges.  His response,
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Shut up frostman, you're pathetic lol. thanks for the ongoing entertainment this past year, it's been a hoot!
My follow-up,
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At antievolution.org I took the criticism against Telic Thoughts with a grain of salt.  But now I see the irrational and unscrupulous behavior first-hand.  It would be easy to dismiss one data point, but with two it becomes harder to dismiss.  Ultimately I feel sorry for you, as you cannot seem to distinguish between appropriate and inappropriate conduct.  You act rather young; I lament for this current generation of unscrupulous kids.
I wrote to Mike Gene's "idthink" email address with the same request but I did not receive a response.

Since I was banned before I had a chance to post on that thread ("The Apology Thread"), I left a response to Bilbo at his blog.  In that I said, in part: I am tempted to wax philosophical about how ID proponents are inclined to believe in propositions without evidence. It is enough, however, to merely state the facts: (1) "anon9" is not my sock puppet; (2) several members of Telic Thoughts assumed he/she is a sock puppet, without evidence; (3) I was banned on this assumption; (4) It would be trivial to clear my name by checking to server logs to confirm that anon9 is not my sock puppet; (5) This check was requested and (very immaturely) refused.

  
JackT



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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2008,17:32   

And may I add: is it not ironic that Mike Gene is himself a sock puppet?  It is no secret that for years the person who currently calls himself Mike Gene posted at talk.origins under the name Julie Thomas using the nntp feed at Case Western Reserve University.  And Michael Thomas (http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/arn/orpages/or122/thomas.htm) is probably the same person as well.

  
olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2008,09:39   

Quote (JackT @ June 01 2008,17:32)
And may I add: is it not ironic that Mike Gene is himself a sock puppet?  It is no secret that for years the person who currently calls himself Mike Gene posted at talk.origins under the name Julie Thomas using the nntp feed at Case Western Reserve University.  And Michael Thomas (http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/arn/orpages/or122/thomas.htm) is probably the same person as well.

JackT,

MikeGene responded.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2008,09:42   

Zachriel on the purported analogy between The Design Matrix and a police investigation:
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I have no objection to shoe-leather. Indeed, I strongly support such an approach. The problem is that the putative spokespersons for the ID Movement claim to have strong evidence of the perpetrator, can't name the suspect, and their theories are rejected as vacuous or simply false by the courts.

Ouch!  Zachriel, you mean bully.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2008,11:19   

Same old same old. Unspecified actions done by an unspecified agency having unspecified capabilities and limitations, done at unspecified times and places for unspecified reasons using unspecified methods, leaving no evidence.

Poof.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2008,13:14   

DougTard:

http://telicthoughts.com/another-version-of-csi/#comment-193475


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Doug Says:
June 5th, 2008 at 2:02 pm | I got one, olegt.
How about intelligent professors being so embattled in their position they would call someone a 'tard'?


Comment by Doug — June 5, 2008 @ 2:02 pm


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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2008,13:24   

Quote (olegt @ June 05 2008,09:42)
Zachriel on the purported analogy between The Design Matrix and a police investigation:
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I have no objection to shoe-leather. Indeed, I strongly support such an approach. The problem is that the putative spokespersons for the ID Movement claim to have strong evidence of the perpetrator, can't name the suspect, and their theories are rejected as vacuous or simply false by the courts.

Ouch!  Zachriel, you mean bully.

I don't try to be so, but from chunkdz's responses, I think I did draw blood.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,06:52   

Meanwhile, aiguy absolutely pwns Salvador and nullasalus in this thread.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,08:24   

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Bradford: That's Dembski's opinion. Who cares other than a handful of people absorbed in discussions of intelligent design?

Heh. Good one.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,08:29   

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Meanwhile, aiguy absolutely pwns Salvador and nullasalus in this thread.

Totally. Enjoyable reading.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,09:08   

Funny Stuff. AngryOldFatman, it that's your area of 'expertise', you might want to get into something different..


Then Sal bangs on about genetic entropy again.. *sigh*


Sal, that dog don't hunt no more...
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/05/1117048.aspx

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,09:32   

Quote (Zachriel @ June 06 2008,08:24)
   
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Bradford: That's Dembski's opinion. Who cares other than a handful of people absorbed in discussions of intelligent design?

Heh. Good one.


How odd.  Bradford usually falls all over himself to defend Dembski.

Some time ago Bradford wrote:
 
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Much criticism of Dembski is of the demonization variety. He is a symbol of a hated concept.

In response, I pointed out that Dembski had done a good job of demonizing himself, listing:

1. The "street theater" incident involving Jeff Shallit's deposition.
2. The Judge Jones fart animation fiasco.
3. Dembski's accusations of racism against Kevin Padian.
4. Dembski's reporting of Eric Pianka to the Department of Homeland Security.
5. His claim that Richard Dawkins had only a handful of scientific publications and citations.
6. And perhaps my favorite, his posting of an anonymous review on Amazon's website which badmouthed Mark Perakh's book and plugged his own.

Bradford's reply?

 
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Keiths, most of the Dembski sins are in the foible category in my view.


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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,10:15   

You forgot:

Getting upset that Dawkins is a successful author ("cashing in on ID")
Getting upset that Dawkins hadn't posted his ironic birthday message (when he had)
The many, many 404 Notpologies.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,10:26   

Quote (keiths @ June 06 2008,06:52)
Meanwhile, aiguy absolutely pwns Salvador and nullasalus in this thread.

From that thread:

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So yes, I think it's clear that this argument holds up perfectly well:

1) Computers operate according to deterministic law (or law + chance)
2) Computers are bona-fide intelligent agents
3) Therefore ID can draw no distinction between law+chance and intelligent agency (aka "guided" vs. "unguided" processes)



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No, you really are mistaken completely. I am regularly suprised (and usually disappointed) by what my programs do.



The computer program has  sinned!  :O

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,15:00   

Can we get some 'Chinese room' in there also? I'd register, but I'm probably prebanned by JoyTard.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,16:13   

Bradford is getting pounded in that thread.  Of course 90% of the damage is self-inflicted, Bradford being Bradford.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,20:46   

WTF?

This is the first time I've seen Salvador claim to have worked at the EIL:
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The work Robert Marks, I, and others were doing at the EIL was to show that genetic algorithms, expert systems, and other evolutionary computation must reasonably regress to something not describable to by simple stochastic processes or regularity.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,21:37   

My comment at TT:

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#  steve Says:
June 6th, 2008 at 10:31 pm | Edit This

I wish Sal was telling the truth and he actually worked at EIL. ID could use more labwork and less internet philosophizing.

Comment by steve — June 6, 2008 @ 10:31 pm


We'll see if it stays.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,21:45   

The evolution of a lie:
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I have been accepted into a graduate program at Johns Hopkins University. I attempted to apply both at Hopkins and at Baylor. I was attempting to work with Dr. Robert Marks at the evolutionary informatics lab. I got the sense Baylor was putting Dr. Marks in their gunsights and that they would also put me indirectly in their gunsights as well if I worked at the informatics lab.

After I received late confirmation this Tuesday of my acceptance into the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering, I informed Dr. Marks with my regrets that I would no longer seek enrollment into Baylor’s Engineering program. I cited developments which have been in the news along with my acceptance into the Whiting School of Engineering at Johns Hopkins.

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In the Spring and Summer of 2007, Dr. Robert Marks of Baylor University offered me 2 years tuition and a small salary to work as his research assistant in the Evolutionary Informatics Lab.

The research at the lab would have overturned the false and misleading computer simulations used by Darwinists to win a major court case against ID proponents (Dover). I would have drawn a small salary and had my tuition paid to get a Master of Science Degree in Electrical Engineering. All told, the offer amounted to about $40,000.

The Informatics Lab was shut down in August by the Darwinists at Baylor when it was evident the scientific research would put certain Darwinist organizations around the country out of business and into disrepute.  With the lab shutting down, so went my offer.

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The work Robert Marks, I, and others were doing at the EIL was to show that genetic algorithms, expert systems, and other evolutionary computation must reasonably regress to something not describable to by simple stochastic processes or regularity.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,22:03   

Quote (keiths @ June 06 2008,07:32)
1. The "street theater" incident involving Jeff Shallit's deposition.
2. The Judge Jones fart animation fiasco.
3. Dembski's accusations of racism against Kevin Padian.
4. Dembski's reporting of Eric Pianka to the Department of Homeland Security.
5. His claim that Richard Dawkins had only a handful of scientific publications and citations.
6. And perhaps my favorite, his posting of an anonymous review on Amazon's website which badmouthed Mark Perakh's book and plugged his own.

Don't forget him publicly posting the home addresses and phone numbers of the Baylor regents, so that the UDers could harass them into reinstituting the ID 'lab'.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,22:19   

It appears I've been put in the moderation queue at TT. I'm so glad I don't moderate a creationist site. Who's got the time and energy to specifically pore over every possible critical comment and judge it? Anyway that just reeks of insecurity.

my moderated comment is preserved here:

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mikegene said:
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Just as I have maintained for so long that ID is not science
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Mike, please take the following comments in the benevolent way I intend them:

"ID" in the parlance of our time means something different than how you're using it. Generally speaking when someone says Intelligent Design, they use it to mean

1) a valid scientific theory
2) comprised of IC and CSI
3) that disproves the theory of evolution
4) has nothing to do with religion
5) belongs in science classes
6) but is suppressed by a conspiracy of atheist scientists

to broadly outline it. If your argument is significantly different than that, it just confuses the issue to also call it "Intelligent Design".

What I'm saying might not be clear. So for example, let's say you were a tree-hugging communitarian type who really felt a lot of love for his country. And you said, hmm, I'm going to call myself a National Socialist, or Nazi for short. While your beliefs might literally fit that kind of usage, you're giving yourself a label which really carries a lot of baggage and means a lot of things you don't mean. So that makes it a bad label, and you need to get a different one.

Comment by steve — June 6, 2008 @ 11:08 pm

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,22:23   

The creationists need to grow a pair.

(By which I mean a pair of ovaries, like ERV. That girl's a wolverine.



RUN! RUN!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,00:07   

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Salvador T. Cordova Says:
June 7th, 2008 at 12:09 am |  
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   steve wrote:

   I wish Sal was telling the truth and he actually worked at EIL. ID could use more labwork and less internet philosophizing.
I did a little volunteer work for EIL since I was interested in the topic….a lot of ID work is not paid for, if you haven't noticed….

My small amounts of volunteer work (particularly in connection with Avida) was partly the reason I was offered a tuition and stipend, not to mention I got a good reference from Bill Dembski.

If you're accusing me of lying steve, you're welcome to say you're opinion….but it's just that, an opinion.
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June 7th, 2008 at 12:12 am |  
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   olegt asked:

   Sal, when did you work at EIL? I thought you went to Hopkins instead?
I did volunteer work via e-mail and phone from 2006-2007 sporadically. I don't know that it was formally known as EIL until whenever, but the nature of the work was the same — analyze Avida.

My small amounts of volunteer work (particularly in connection with Avida) was partly the reason I was offered a tuition and stipend, not to mention I got a good reference from Bill Dembski.


my reply:
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If you're accusing me of lying steve, you're welcome to say you're [sic] opinion….but it's just that, an opinion.


Sal, you said in October 2007 that you had been offered a position, but that the lab was cancelled and you declined the position.

 
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I did volunteer work via e-mail and phone from 2006-2007 sporadically. I don't know that it was formally known as EIL until whenever, but the nature of the work was the same — analyze Avida.


I've emailed and talked on the phone with Wesley Elsberry about AVIDA, but I don't tell people I worked at the Devolab at MSU, because that would be dishonest. You need to not exaggerate your accomplishments if you want to retain credibility.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,00:11   

LOL

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#  Salvador T. Cordova Says:
June 7th, 2008 at 1:01 am |

steve,

Your swipes at me are off-topic, and you can post your complaints about me in the lastest rabbit thread.

What you're doing is derailing the discussion….

Sal

Comment by Salvador T. Cordova — June 7, 2008 @ 1:01 am


I don't know wtf the rabbit thread is, but it sounds like bannination.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,00:16   

that's so great. 'Pointing out my lies derails the discussion! Das ist verboten!!!!!!!!!11111111'

UD and TT: tards of a feather.

   
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