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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,01:52   

Welcome back, Kristine.

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,02:37   

I think it's time to stop with the insults, Kris. You said you wanted a reasonable discussion, and now you're back to your shenanigans because you can't face the fact of being wrong or seing your own flaws pointed out.

It's not even fun anymore, it's just boring...

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Dale_Husband



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,02:54   

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So I have a unique personality and opinions about lots of subjects. So fuking what?! I didn't know having a mind of my own instead of always nodding in total agreement with you was so offensive to you, Kris!

And of course, this is more proof that you HAVE been cyberstalking me.

Unique personality? That's hilarious Dale. You're a complete fucking loon.

By the way Mr. Paranoid, it took all of five minutes to look up those links. No "cyberstalking" was necessary.

You forgot the rest of your favorite insult at me.

"...and a pathological liar. Commit yourself to an insane asylum. You belong in one."

You mind must be slipping even faster than before.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:01   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 23 2011,02:34)
Actually, I didn't make any reference to your wife, or at least not in the way you're implying. I asked you if she knows that you want to cheat on her. I didn't threaten to make crank calls to her either. I said, "Hmm, maybe I should give Cheri a call and let her know you want to cheat on her. Wadda ya think?" There's nothing "crank" about that. You're the one who says you have a desire for someone else on your blog and you're the one who says polyamory looks good to you.

Ya know Dale, if you're worried about your personal information, maybe you shouldn't spread it all over the internet. And if you're worried about your own words coming back to haunt you, maybe you shouldn't spread them all over the internet too.

By the way, Youíre a complete fucking loon, a hypocrite, a bigot, and a pathological liar. Commit yourself to an insane asylum. You belong in one.

Hey Kris, do you want to date my (Circle H) avatar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU

Uh, I thought you hated being called a liar. So why did you lie just now?

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Dale_Husband



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:08   

Well, at least I have consistent standards of honor and do my best to live up to them, no matter the cost.

You, on the other hand, seem to have NO standards whatsoever. All you ever have is hate for the rest of humanity.
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 23 2011,03:03)

Aren't you the one who preaches tolerance and acceptance of, and friendship with, people from various groups?

"Part of my being honorable is refusing to paint the members of any group, whether political, religious, or national, with the same brush. My friends include all kinds of people, such as conservatives, liberals, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Athiests, Americans, Europeans, Asians, Austrailians, meat-eaters and vegetarians. That diversity I deeply treasure."

Aren't those your words Dale? Were you lying when you typed them? If you're so friendly toward religious people, why do you constantly bash religious Creationists, religious ID-ists, Muslims, Christians, etc.?

Let's take a look at your claim about how "honorable" you are:

"An Honorable Skeptic

This is my ethical philosophy that I always express everywhere I may go.

I am a skeptic by nature. †I question everything I see, not taking what I am told at face value, but demanding proof, evidence, and corroborations before I accept something as true. Thus, when I am told by liberals that there was a conspiracy of American government officials involved in the terrorist attacks of 9-11, I am skeptical. If I am told by liberals that atrocities were committed in either Afganistan or Iraq by American forces against civilians, I am skeptical. If I am told by conservatives that tax cuts are a way to help the economy grow and that tax hikes hurt the economy, I am skeptical. If I am told by conservatives that the War in Iraq was justified even though no Weapons of Mass Destruction were found there even after being told before that they were there, I am VERY skeptical of that!!! When it comes to skepticism, I donít discriminate politically! I doubt everything!

Another thing I am adamant about is my sense of honor, which I hold more dear to me than my life. It allows for no exceptions whatsoever. So if I have lost friends or even made enemies for standing up for my honor, so be it. If I see someone who comes across to me as a liar, a bully, or just plain rude and stupid, then I usually try to fight back. If I see someone doing or saying things that damage the credibility of the causes I happen to believe in, I deeply take offense at that because I want those causes to be protected, even at the expense of picking fights with those who are unworthy to support those causes. I beleive in absolute standards of right and wrong and so I see no point in ever excusing something that is wrong because the wrongdoer is otherwise a friendly or nice guy. Thatís how corruption sets in.

Part of my being honorable is refusing to paint the members of any group, whether political, religious, or national, with the same brush. My friends include all kinds of people, such as conservatives, liberals, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Athiests, Americans, Europeans, Asians, Austrailians, meat-eaters and vegetarians. That diversity I deeply treasure. Once I recognize that another soul is honorable, no matter what else may be true of that person, I embrace him as a brother. But if I discover a fellow American, a fellow agnostic, a fellow liberal, or a fellow chess player to be dishonorable in his behavior, he becomes my enemy, period. I distrust and shun him like I would a leper.

Because I am honorable, I sometimes willingly concede points made by my opponents in debates with them. This should never be seen as a sign of weakness. When I know I am right about something, I will fight like a pit bull to prove my case and defeat my opponent because in some cases I do see my battles here as a struggle between light and darkness, good and evil, ignorance and knowledge. But I am also willing at times to listen to my opponent and consider his point of view, especially if that person is known by me to be honorable. If we do not listen to others, how can we ever grow in knowledge?

No matter how great the pressure, I feel that one must never ďsell outĒ. It is being able to stand up to the urge to conform to the shallow desires and priorites of others who have a limited vision that makes one truly heroic. I choose my friends according to my ideals; I never bend my ideals for the sake of keeping friends."

Your "ideals" are rooted in insanity, hypocrisy, dishonesty, malignant narcissism, and bigotry, and you're a legend in your own mind.

Oh, and I don't think your link to Pharyngula is about me. Better luck next time Mr. Dishonorable Wacko.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:17   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 23 2011,09:13)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 23 2011,00:37)
I think it's time to stop with the insults, Kris. You said you wanted a reasonable discussion, and now you're back to your shenanigans because you can't face the fact of being wrong or seing your own flaws pointed out.

It's not even fun anymore, it's just boring...


Oh, so it's ok for you and other people to insult me over and over but it's not ok for me to insult anyone back. I'm expected to be reasonable but no one else is. I see.

You and some others here should look at your own flaws.

Be nice, it's my birthday!

And you will get insulted if you insult. Let's see who started insulting who on this thread... My! It seems it was you, in the very first post.

Want to start it all again without calling people hypocrites (and not being able to back up your claims)?

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"I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis

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Dale_Husband



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:22   

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Quote (Kris @ Jan. 23 2011,09:13)
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I think it's time to stop with the insults, Kris. You said you wanted a reasonable discussion, and now you're back to your shenanigans because you can't face the fact of being wrong or seing your own flaws pointed out.

It's not even fun anymore, it's just boring...


Oh, so it's ok for you and other people to insult me over and over but it's not ok for me to insult anyone back. I'm expected to be reasonable but no one else is. I see.

You and some others here should look at your own flaws.

Be nice, it's my birthday!

And you will get insulted if you insult. Let's see who started insulting who on this thread... My! It seems it was you, in the very first post.

Want to start it all again without calling people hypocrites (and not being able to back up your claims)?

So Kris is saying if ONE person insults him ONCE, that gives him the right to insult EVERYONE FOREVER?

Because that's what he's been doing since mid-December.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:27   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 23 2011,03:18)
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Uh, I thought you hated being called a liar. So why did you lie just now?

I didn't lie about anything. You, on the other hand......

You said, "maybe I should give [Dale's wife] a call and let her know you want to cheat on her." That was indeed lying. You were lying to everyone else in PT and threatening to lie to her. I never said I wanted to cheat on her. You have a really strange mind to come to that conclusion after reading my blog entries on polyamory, prostitution, and statutory rape. I was discussing legal and philosophical matters, not personal desires, you @$$hole!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:27   

see? You're not very reasonable. I'm honestly proposing to start this whole discussion over on clean basis, without insults, yet the only answer you manage is another tu quoque.

In the end, you are not really here to discuss science, are you? You're more here to complain and bitch around, which is a shame since there was potential for an interesting interaction.

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"I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis

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Kris



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:38   

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Quote (Kris @ Jan. 23 2011,09:13)
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Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 23 2011,00:37)
I think it's time to stop with the insults, Kris. You said you wanted a reasonable discussion, and now you're back to your shenanigans because you can't face the fact of being wrong or seing your own flaws pointed out.

It's not even fun anymore, it's just boring...


Oh, so it's ok for you and other people to insult me over and over but it's not ok for me to insult anyone back. I'm expected to be reasonable but no one else is. I see.

You and some others here should look at your own flaws.

Be nice, it's my birthday!

And you will get insulted if you insult. Let's see who started insulting who on this thread... My! It seems it was you, in the very first post.

Want to start it all again without calling people hypocrites (and not being able to back up your claims)?

So Kris is saying if ONE person insults him ONCE, that gives him the right to insult EVERYONE FOREVER?

Because that's what he's been doing since mid-December.

You should quit while you're behind Dale, or you'll just get behind-er.

You really shouldn't try to put words in my mouth. Learn how to read and comprehend and then come back. See you in several years or so.

Actually, it's what you and some others started against me on Panda's Thumb back in December or whenever it was. The insulting that is. You and they just don't like taking your own medicine. Hypocrites. †

Are all creationists and/or ID-ists dishonorable to you Dale?

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Kris



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:41   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 23 2011,01:27)
see? You're not very reasonable. I'm honestly proposing to start this whole discussion over on clean basis, without insults, yet the only answer you manage is another tu quoque.

In the end, you are not really here to discuss science, are you? You're more here to complain and bitch around, which is a shame since there was potential for an interesting interaction.

You like to play games, don't you? Have you ever heard of Eric Berne?

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The partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. Plato

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:47   

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Quote (Dale_Husband @ Jan. 23 2011,01:22)

So Kris is saying if ONE person insults him ONCE, that gives him the right to insult EVERYONE FOREVER?

Because that's what he's been doing since mid-December.

You should quit while you're behind Dale, or you'll just get behind-er.

You really shouldn't try to put words in my mouth. Learn how to read and comprehend and then come back. See you in several years or so.

Actually, it's what you and some others started against me on Panda's Thumb back in December or whenever it was. The insulting that is. You and they just don't like taking your own medicine. Hypocrites. †

Are all creationists and/or ID-ists dishonorable to you Dale?

I will rephrase the question to make it direct.

Are you saying if ONE person insults you ONCE, that gives you the right to insult EVERYONE FOREVER?

Because I think it doesn't. The only real hypocrite all along is, was, and will be YOU as long as you keep up the phony concern troll act! It fools none of us.

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Dale_Husband



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:55   

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Philosophical matters?? † ROFLMAO!

Your 'philosophy' is really fucked up.

I suppose you would think that if you were a Christian fundamentalist, yes. Uh, didn't you say on other occasions you were not religious? More confusion and inconsistency from the concern troll.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,03:55   

Quote (Dale_Husband @ Jan. 23 2011,01:47)
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 23 2011,03:38)
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Quote (Dale_Husband @ Jan. 23 2011,01:22)

So Kris is saying if ONE person insults him ONCE, that gives him the right to insult EVERYONE FOREVER?

Because that's what he's been doing since mid-December.

You should quit while you're behind Dale, or you'll just get behind-er.

You really shouldn't try to put words in my mouth. Learn how to read and comprehend and then come back. See you in several years or so.

Actually, it's what you and some others started against me on Panda's Thumb back in December or whenever it was. The insulting that is. You and they just don't like taking your own medicine. Hypocrites. †

Are all creationists and/or ID-ists dishonorable to you Dale?

I will rephrase the question to make it direct.

Are you saying if ONE person insults you ONCE, that gives you the right to insult EVERYONE FOREVER?

Because I think it doesn't. The only real hypocrite all along is, was, and will be YOU as long as you keep up the phony concern troll act! It fools none of us.

"Are you saying if ONE person insults you ONCE, that gives you the right to insult EVERYONE FOREVER?"

No.


I have another question for you Dale. If one ID-ist or one creationist says something you don't like, or believes something you don't believe, does that give you the right to insult every ID-ist or every creationist forever?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,04:00   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 23 2011,02:37)
I think it's time to stop with the insults, Kris. You said you wanted a reasonable discussion, and now you're back to your shenanigans because you can't face the fact of being wrong or seing your own flaws pointed out.

It's not even fun anymore, it's just boring...

To the extent that I've even bothered to scan the record of this sad and disgusting incident i can only express my own humble opinion:

WTF is the use of discussing who are the baddest: creationists, atheists, theists, Christians, scientists, non-scientists, pseudo-creationists, psychopaths, sociopaths, deranged, insane, cdesignproponentsists, or just plain idiots like, well ...?

I even believe the Bible contains some wise words attributed to the mysterious magical maestro himself, about not pointing the finger at others. The observation is quite correct; What/whom you dislike to a degree like some people go to such great pains to tell all the world, like f.i. the lead character in this here charade does, it reveals to the world what nice character he himself is.

Better not contaminate ourselves by playing in the pigpen.

Some people are incapable of introspection.

My first and last word on this display of much more than just bad manners.

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The first principle is that you must not fool yourself ‚ÄĒ and you are the easiest person to fool.
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,04:13   

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Actually, it's what you and some others started against me on Panda's Thumb back in December or whenever it was. The insulting that is. You and they just don't like taking your own medicine. Hypocrites.


Hey, YOU invaded OUR space with your worthless crap, Kris! What the hell were you expecting? That we would simply say, "Hey, you are right, we should tolerate the Creationists' posting their misconceptions of evolution all over the Panda's Thumb."? No, of course not!

Any credibility you may have had was blown away by the arrival of †flowersfriend , a Christian fundamentalist who actually came to ask some good questions about science education. And what did you do to her?

http://pandasthumb.org/archive....-244226

{Kris replied to comment from flowersfriend

Iím curious about something and I would like to hear your feelings about it:

Why does ďspiritualityĒ have to include the fairy tales in the bible, like Noahís Ark, Adam and Eve, the Tower of Babel, 6,000 year old Earth, etc.? Ya see, thatís where most of the disagreement is between science and Christianity. Does the belief in a god/creator have to include the trappings of a prescribed Ďreligioní?}

You are really full of shit!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,04:18   

Kris, one thing I'd like to understand is this:

If you are not religious or a creationist, why do you spend so much time and energy defending them? I think they are well enough capable of trying to defend themselves (which they do, even if most of thge time it's in clumsy, ineffective ways). It makes you come out as patronizing.

And if what you say is indeed true (our behavior towards the religious fanatics, liers-for-Jesus, creationist hacks... turns some people away from science), just keep in mind that the opposite is also true, on a much larger scale. A LOT of people end up rejecting religion because of the zealots' attitude. I don't know how many are turned away from science by some scientists'/atheists' behavior, but I've never met anyone who has been, whereas I've met quite a few ex-religious persons who left their faith because of the religious nutjobs...

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"I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis

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Dale_Husband



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,04:24   

"Are you saying if ONE person insults you ONCE, that gives you the right to insult EVERYONE FOREVER?"

No.

Then why the hell do you do just that???

I have another question for you Dale. If one ID-ist or one creationist says something you don't like, or believes something you don't believe, does that give you the right to insult every ID-ist or every creationist forever?
No, and I do not insult all of them. Just the ones who are delusional enough to invade the Panda's Thumb and pick fights with us.

I have to admit that it's hard to comprehend just how mentally deranged you are Dale. Where you could possibly get the idea that I'm a "Christian fundamentalist" or religious in any way is beyond me. You're the one who is religious. You're the one who goes to church. You're the one with religious 'faith'. You're the one who proselytizes. You're the one who modified a variety of religious beliefs into your own version of your religious beliefs. You're the one who has and needs a religion based crutch. †
Do you hate me for being insulting to Creationist bigots or do you hate me for going to a Unitarian Universalist church? Your wild inconsistency is just breathtaking.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,05:37   

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Why I am off to become a homepath just because of that, you see if I don't.

Louis

Going off down the homo path, are you? †We always figured that was the direction you were heading.

Totaly uncalled for! We all know Louis is "straight"...

Is that algebraic straight, non-Euclidean, or Euclidean straight?

So I work in a lab and do reseach science, do they call me "Louis the Scientist"? Nope.

So there was this one time I pulled two people out from an overturned car, do they call me "Louis the Lifesaver"? Nope.*

But you shag just one rugby team...**

Louis

*This really happened

** This didn't.

P.S. I meant "homeopath", as in the least thinkable thing anyone with even a basic undesranding of chemistry could become. But I'll be damned if the typo and subsequent gay jokes weren't funny. It stands!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,05:54   

Kris,
If you are *all that* then why, when typing a bit of one of your comments into google, do I find that it's all boilerplate?



hahah.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Kris



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,06:02   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 23 2011,02:18)
Kris, one thing I'd like to understand is this:

If you are not religious or a creationist, why do you spend so much time and energy defending them? I think they are well enough capable of trying to defend themselves (which they do, even if most of thge time it's in clumsy, ineffective ways). It makes you come out as patronizing.

And if what you say is indeed true (our behavior towards the religious fanatics, liers-for-Jesus, creationist hacks... turns some people away from science), just keep in mind that the opposite is also true, on a much larger scale. A LOT of people end up rejecting religion because of the zealots' attitude. I don't know how many are turned away from science by some scientists'/atheists' behavior, but I've never met anyone who has been, whereas I've met quite a few ex-religious persons who left their faith because of the religious nutjobs...

I find it interesting that you think I'm "defending" religious people and creationists. That you and others think that way makes me realize that you're twisting what I actually say into something different than what I actually say because of your own biases.

Few to none of you seem to understand me. Of course you'll assume it must be my fault, but first take a look around this site. What do you see? I see a bunch of people with pretty much the same attitude about certain things they don't like. I also see a bunch of people with pretty much the same attitude about certain things they do like. In other words, clones.

Anything or anyone who doesn't fit into the belief system here is instantly and automatically attacked and treated as the enemy. They MUST be an evil creationist troll! Off with their head!

Hmm, that sounds just like the way some religions treat people who don't adhere to their belief system. In fact, it sounds a lot like Muslim extremists. Infidels! Off with their heads!

Think about it, and think about this too:

Everything said on this site, or on Panda's Thumb, or Pharyngula, etc., is available to read by anyone who wants to. When someone comes here and makes their first comment they likely have already read some or a lot of the stuff said here. Just because that person is new to you doesn't mean they're new to the site. What you people say here may make some people happy but it may also incite some people to respond in a way that you won't like.

Try putting a billboard in your front yard with something controversial or insulting on it. See what happens when your neighbors and the community see it or hear of it. Don't be surprised when some people respond in a way you don't like. This site is more accessible to more people than your front yard.

Ya know, if I were a creationist troll, as I've been accused of being, it would be real easy to cause all kinds of malicious trouble here. You people are so easy to figure out and you're very predictable.

In case you're wondering, I'm not a worshiper of science or religion. I like science, good science that is, a lot, but I don't see it as something to worship or believe 'in'. I'm practical and skeptical but I'm also open minded about some things. To me, being skeptical isn't just about religion. It's about science too and maybe even more so than religion. Religion is mostly pretty easy to figure out and it usually doesn't change much or very quickly. Science is a lot more complicated than religion and there are a lot of new claims and/or changes on a daily basis. Nature is a lot more complicated than science, so I'm skeptical about any claim science makes about nature. I don't just automatically believe anything or everything some scientist says, no matter who they are.

It's because I like science that it pisses me off when it's done badly. Some of the shit in science should never happen and I wish more scientists were more concerned with cleaning up the messes in science than they are in fighting against religion. If science were strong enough, and made more accessible, understandable, interesting, and enjoyable to the masses, religious zealots wouldn't be as big a problem.

Just one thing I'd really like to see:

TV stations/networks with good science and nature shows on 24/7, on free TV (not just cable or satellite) in as many countries, states, and cities as possible. Some of the shows could be aimed at children, in the appropriate time slots. Religious zealots have some of their shows on 24/7 on free TV (and on cable and satellite). Why can't science do the same thing? To reach a bigger audience requires a bigger effort.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,06:17   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 23 2011,09:17)
[SNIP]

Be nice, it's my birthday!

[/SNIP]

No it's not! I distinctly remember you having that last year.

WHAT? You want ANOTHER one?

In my day we only got one birthday. And that was too many. Harrumph.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,06:29   



Just, you know, FYI. Because you're so "reasonable" and all.

Louis

(Meta to fellow AtBCers: Wasn't there a TV show called "Everybody Hates Chris"? It seemeth to me that someone with Photoshop and some skillz wiv compooters could make something of that if they had the time. I mean, if we're mocking fools, it might be worth doing so via the medium of the LOL-image. BRING FORTH THE LOLOCAUST!!*)

*Kris, sweetie, this, plus all the other mockey, should indicate to you that no one is taking you seriously. You appear to be a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing, old chum. Do be a good boy and shut up, you're disturbing the animals and children. If you don't want to be mocked, erm, well you could always be, you know, serious and rational. As you're not, well, the mockery will continue until such time as it becomes boring, which is likely to be soon, you're a one trick pony it seems.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,06:34   

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Kris, one thing I'd like to understand is this:

If you are not religious or a creationist, why do you spend so much time and energy defending them? I think they are well enough capable of trying to defend themselves (which they do, even if most of thge time it's in clumsy, ineffective ways). It makes you come out as patronizing.

And if what you say is indeed true (our behavior towards the religious fanatics, liers-for-Jesus, creationist hacks... turns some people away from science), just keep in mind that the opposite is also true, on a much larger scale. A LOT of people end up rejecting religion because of the zealots' attitude. I don't know how many are turned away from science by some scientists'/atheists' behavior, but I've never met anyone who has been, whereas I've met quite a few ex-religious persons who left their faith because of the religious nutjobs...

I find it interesting that you think I'm "defending" religious people and creationists. That you and others think that way makes me realize that you're twisting what I actually say into something different than what I actually say because of your own biases.

Few to none of you seem to understand me. Of course you'll assume it must be my fault, but first take a look around this site. What do you see? I see a bunch of people with pretty much the same attitude about certain things they don't like. I also see a bunch of people with pretty much the same attitude about certain things they do like. In other words, clones.

Anything or anyone who doesn't fit into the belief system here is instantly and automatically attacked and treated as the enemy. They MUST be an evil creationist troll! Off with their head!

Hmm, that sounds just like the way some religions treat people who don't adhere to their belief system. In fact, it sounds a lot like Muslim extremists. Infidels! Off with their heads!

Think about it, and think about this too:

Everything said on this site, or on Panda's Thumb, or Pharyngula, etc., is available to read by anyone who wants to. When someone comes here and makes their first comment they likely have already read some or a lot of the stuff said here. Just because that person is new to you doesn't mean they're new to the site. What you people say here may make some people happy but it may also incite some people to respond in a way that you won't like.

Try putting a billboard in your front yard with something controversial or insulting on it. See what happens when your neighbors and the community see it or hear of it. Don't be surprised when some people respond in a way you don't like. This site is more accessible to more people than your front yard.

Ya know, if I were a creationist troll, as I've been accused of being, it would be real easy to cause all kinds of malicious trouble here. You people are so easy to figure out and you're very predictable.

In case you're wondering, I'm not a worshiper of science or religion. I like science, good science that is, a lot, but I don't see it as something to worship or believe 'in'. I'm practical and skeptical but I'm also open minded about some things. To me, being skeptical isn't just about religion. It's about science too and maybe even more so than religion. Religion is mostly pretty easy to figure out and it usually doesn't change much or very quickly. Science is a lot more complicated than religion and there are a lot of new claims and/or changes on a daily basis. Nature is a lot more complicated than science, so I'm skeptical about any claim science makes about nature. I don't just automatically believe anything or everything some scientist says, no matter who they are.

It's because I like science that it pisses me off when it's done badly. Some of the shit in science should never happen and I wish more scientists were more concerned with cleaning up the messes in science than they are in fighting against religion. If science were strong enough, and made more accessible, understandable, interesting, and enjoyable to the masses, religious zealots wouldn't be as big a problem.

Just one thing I'd really like to see:

TV stations/networks with good science and nature shows on 24/7, on free TV (not just cable or satellite) in as many countries, states, and cities as possible. Some of the shows could be aimed at children, in the appropriate time slots. Religious zealots have some of their shows on 24/7 on free TV (and on cable and satellite). Why can't science do the same thing? To reach a bigger audience requires a bigger effort.

Congrats. It seems the only place you posted that particular post is here.

Way to go! Otherwise, people might start to think that you have a set of text you go round pasting at various sites just to see what reaction you provoke...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,07:15   

Quote (Louis @ Jan. 23 2011,04:29)


Just, you know, FYI. Because you're so "reasonable" and all.

Louis

(Meta to fellow AtBCers: Wasn't there a TV show called "Everybody Hates Chris"? It seemeth to me that someone with Photoshop and some skillz wiv compooters could make something of that if they had the time. I mean, if we're mocking fools, it might be worth doing so via the medium of the LOL-image. BRING FORTH THE LOLOCAUST!!*)

*Kris, sweetie, this, plus all the other mockey, should indicate to you that no one is taking you seriously. You appear to be a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing, old chum. Do be a good boy and shut up, you're disturbing the animals and children. If you don't want to be mocked, erm, well you could always be, you know, serious and rational. As you're not, well, the mockery will continue until such time as it becomes boring, which is likely to be soon, you're a one trick pony it seems.

No one? Did you poll everyone who looks at this site? Just wondering.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,07:21   

What the fuck is he talking about? Well, a couple of posts ago he demonstrated that some of your rants are direct Copy/Pasta of some other rants you (or someone else) posted elsewhere.

That's very funny, I think.

And Kris, about the last paragraph in your quoted post: science never had very good PR. And you know what? Science doesn't give a flying fuck!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,07:39   

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Well, at least I have consistent standards of honor and do my best to live up to them, no matter the cost.

You, on the other hand, seem to have NO standards whatsoever. All you ever have is hate for the rest of humanity.
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Aren't you the one who preaches tolerance and acceptance of, and friendship with, people from various groups?

"Part of my being honorable is refusing to paint the members of any group, whether political, religious, or national, with the same brush. My friends include all kinds of people, such as conservatives, liberals, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Athiests, Americans, Europeans, Asians, Austrailians, meat-eaters and vegetarians. That diversity I deeply treasure."

Aren't those your words Dale? Were you lying when you typed them? If you're so friendly toward religious people, why do you constantly bash religious Creationists, religious ID-ists, Muslims, Christians, etc.?

Let's take a look at your claim about how "honorable" you are:

"An Honorable Skeptic

This is my ethical philosophy that I always express everywhere I may go.

I am a skeptic by nature. †I question everything I see, not taking what I am told at face value, but demanding proof, evidence, and corroborations before I accept something as true. Thus, when I am told by liberals that there was a conspiracy of American government officials involved in the terrorist attacks of 9-11, I am skeptical. If I am told by liberals that atrocities were committed in either Afganistan or Iraq by American forces against civilians, I am skeptical. If I am told by conservatives that tax cuts are a way to help the economy grow and that tax hikes hurt the economy, I am skeptical. If I am told by conservatives that the War in Iraq was justified even though no Weapons of Mass Destruction were found there even after being told before that they were there, I am VERY skeptical of that!!! When it comes to skepticism, I donít discriminate politically! I doubt everything!

Another thing I am adamant about is my sense of honor, which I hold more dear to me than my life. It allows for no exceptions whatsoever. So if I have lost friends or even made enemies for standing up for my honor, so be it. If I see someone who comes across to me as a liar, a bully, or just plain rude and stupid, then I usually try to fight back. If I see someone doing or saying things that damage the credibility of the causes I happen to believe in, I deeply take offense at that because I want those causes to be protected, even at the expense of picking fights with those who are unworthy to support those causes. I beleive in absolute standards of right and wrong and so I see no point in ever excusing something that is wrong because the wrongdoer is otherwise a friendly or nice guy. Thatís how corruption sets in.

Part of my being honorable is refusing to paint the members of any group, whether political, religious, or national, with the same brush. My friends include all kinds of people, such as conservatives, liberals, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Athiests, Americans, Europeans, Asians, Austrailians, meat-eaters and vegetarians. That diversity I deeply treasure. Once I recognize that another soul is honorable, no matter what else may be true of that person, I embrace him as a brother. But if I discover a fellow American, a fellow agnostic, a fellow liberal, or a fellow chess player to be dishonorable in his behavior, he becomes my enemy, period. I distrust and shun him like I would a leper.

Because I am honorable, I sometimes willingly concede points made by my opponents in debates with them. This should never be seen as a sign of weakness. When I know I am right about something, I will fight like a pit bull to prove my case and defeat my opponent because in some cases I do see my battles here as a struggle between light and darkness, good and evil, ignorance and knowledge. But I am also willing at times to listen to my opponent and consider his point of view, especially if that person is known by me to be honorable. If we do not listen to others, how can we ever grow in knowledge?

No matter how great the pressure, I feel that one must never ďsell outĒ. It is being able to stand up to the urge to conform to the shallow desires and priorites of others who have a limited vision that makes one truly heroic. I choose my friends according to my ideals; I never bend my ideals for the sake of keeping friends."

Your "ideals" are rooted in insanity, hypocrisy, dishonesty, malignant narcissism, and bigotry, and you're a legend in your own mind.

Oh, and I don't think your link to Pharyngula is about me. Better luck next time Mr. Dishonorable Wacko.

You have "consistent standards of honor"?? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only things consistent about you are your insanity, hypocrisy, bigotry, malignant narcissism, dishonesty, lack of honor, and hatred of anyone who doesn't kiss your ass and agree with everything you say or believe in.

For your information, most of humanity believes that a creator/designer is responsible for the universe and everything in it. Think of that when you're showing your hatred of ID/creationists.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,07:45   

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For your information, most of humanity believes that a creator/designer is responsible for the universe and everything in it. Think of that when you're showing your hatred of ID/creationists.


Sorry, but it doesn't mean they're right, and it certainly doesn't mean some of them can distort science and lie about science to serve a political agenda...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,08:00   

Quote (Kris @ Jan. 23 2011,13:15)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 23 2011,04:29)


Just, you know, FYI. Because you're so "reasonable" and all.

Louis

(Meta to fellow AtBCers: Wasn't there a TV show called "Everybody Hates Chris"? It seemeth to me that someone with Photoshop and some skillz wiv compooters could make something of that if they had the time. I mean, if we're mocking fools, it might be worth doing so via the medium of the LOL-image. BRING FORTH THE LOLOCAUST!!*)

*Kris, sweetie, this, plus all the other mockey, should indicate to you that no one is taking you seriously. You appear to be a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing, old chum. Do be a good boy and shut up, you're disturbing the animals and children. If you don't want to be mocked, erm, well you could always be, you know, serious and rational. As you're not, well, the mockery will continue until such time as it becomes boring, which is likely to be soon, you're a one trick pony it seems.

No one? Did you poll everyone who looks at this site? Just wondering.

Well of course I did. Don't you have an Insta-Universo-Poll-o-matic? Tchoh! You're behind on technology as well as, well, just being, you know, "behind".

Shape up, old boy.

Louis

P.S. Any lurkers/non-lurkers taking Kris seriously are most welcome to come forward and present "The Case for Kris: Why He Is Weally Weally Sewious and Should Be Tweateded Wike a Big Boy". Note to Kris: sock puppets don't count. This is Teh Intawebz, we are familiar with such fun tactics.

ETA: Interesting, by the way, that you would equivocate on the use of the word "no one" and read it in a global manner as opposed to a limited manner (i.e. "no one reading this site" vs "no one posting to your threads"). Gish, it's almost like you're not actually interested in a serious conversation but instead are concerned only with venting your bilious little spleen and pathetically trolling isn't it? Oops sorry, did you get exposed....again?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,08:06   

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What the fuck is he talking about? Well, a couple of posts ago he demonstrated that some of your rants are direct Copy/Pasta of some other rants you (or someone else) posted elsewhere.

That's very funny, I think.

And Kris, about the last paragraph in your quoted post: science never had very good PR. And you know what? Science doesn't give a flying fuck!

Actually, he didn't show any such thing. I copied and pasted what Dale says about his alleged honorable skepticism. What's wrong with that? Dale's the one who says exactly the same thing on several sites.


It's funny that you say science doesn't give a flying fuck about PR. I guess that means that you and most of the people on sites like this one, Panda's Thumb, Pharyngula, etc., aren't representatives of science.

What is your motive for bashing ID/creationists here or anywhere else? Is it just so that you can vent your hatred of ID/creationists? Is it to promote science? Is it to get people to shun religion and become more interested in science?

Ya see, if you're not interested in the PR of science, then you must be here just to bitch about religion/creationism/ID. Apparently that's why most people must be here.

If scientists want the public to care about and trust science they should be concerned about PR. You guys are wasting your time if you think that just bitching about religion/creationism/ID is going to accomplish anything positive for science. With an attitude like yours it's no wonder that religion is more popular than science.

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