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Guts



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,22:46   

Yeah but of course you would say that.

  
Guts



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,22:49   

Who is Alan Fox, why do you want me to go there? Are you inviting me to debate something? I don't mind participating here, but none of the topics interest me at the moment. Maybe I will in the future. I just wanted to set the record straight, I'm done for now.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,22:49   

Quote (Guts @ Jan. 06 2008,22:46)
Yeah but of course you would say that.

Woo Hoo, go design detective!
A neutral venue has been offered. Is the thought of not being able to disappear posts or to be asked difficult questions that scary? is your position *that* ridiculous?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,22:50   

Guts, you wrote:
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Keiths, i'm looking right now at the copy of the comment of yours that I deleted.

And I asked you to post it here. †You're avoiding my request.

Why is that?

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

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Guts



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,22:54   

Keiths, you've never been good at making demands.

Richard, I have no idea what you're talking about, I have discussed on other forums, and I would be more than happy to debate anywhere you'd like, even on non-neutral venues.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:01   

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Keiths, you've never been good at making demands.


That's because it's a request, not a demand. A demand would be

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And I told you to post it here.  You're avoiding my demand.


not

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And I asked you to post it here.  You're avoiding my request.


Based on past experience, I'm sure the design detection at TT is a good as any other creobot site. How many designs have you guys found now? What about that bacterial flagella, eh? Is that designed? Start a thread here, and we'll chat. Or not.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Guts



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:05   

How about this, I'll do a scan of all your posts, or all of the threads that you've participated in, and if I feel inspired i'll start up a discussion there.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:09   

You can participate in any thread you want, an amazing concept, I know. Tell me about your design detection. I want success stories. I'm still on board that ol' time evilution sinking ship... but being quite rat-like I'll be the first to leave if you make a compelling case.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:14   

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Keiths, you've never been good at making demands.

You were the one who said you were "looking right now" at my comment. †Why won't you post it? †Were you hoping I wouldn't call your bluff?

For those interested in seeing more of Guts' particular brand of tard, observe his reaction when he was shown that the DI had encouraged the teaching of ID in public schools prior to Dover:
Link

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Guts



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:16   

Hmm, Richard, you think I'm not an evilutionist? I'm probably more of an evilutionist than you are.

  
Guts



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:16   

Quote (keiths @ Jan. 06 2008,23:14)
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Keiths, you've never been good at making demands.

You were the one who said you were "looking right now" at my comment. †Why won't you post it? †Were you hoping I wouldn't call your bluff?

For those interested in seeing more of Guts' particular brand of tard, observe his reaction when he was shown that the DI had encouraged the teaching of ID in public schools prior to Dover:
Link

So Keiths, are you denying that you quoted Frostman's post that was in the memory hole, you're ACTUALLY going to deny it?

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:17   

Quote (keiths @ Jan. 06 2008,23:14)
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Keiths, you've never been good at making demands.

You were the one who said you were "looking right now" at my comment. †Why won't you post it? †Were you hoping I wouldn't call your bluff?

For those interested in seeing more of Guts' particular brand of tard, observe his reaction when he was shown that the DI had encouraged the teaching of ID in public schools prior to Dover:
Link

It's like Uncommon Descent. Is Krause thier Davetard?

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:18   

Quote (Guts @ Jan. 06 2008,23:16)
Hmm, Richard, you think I'm not an evilutionist? I'm probably more of an evilutionist than you are.

I doubt it. I'm a minion of Satan.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:18   

So Guts, are you desperately trying to change the subject away from the comment that you're afraid to post?

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number.  -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Guts



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:20   

lol Keiths, you're not very good at this.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,23:20   

Quote (keiths @ Jan. 06 2008,23:18)
So Guts, are you desperately trying to change the subject away from the comment that you're afraid to post?

6

DaveScot

05/23/2006

1:02 am
Now that everyone is happy that this article isnít a fabrication the comments are closed.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,01:12   

Hypothesis:

Once the book is published and the fleecing of the credulous begins, other views are less welcome.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
argystokes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,01:18   

Quote (Guts @ Jan. 06 2008,21:16)
Hmm, Richard, you think I'm not an evilutionist? I'm probably more of an evilutionist than you are.

Yeah, Dick, he believes that all the species evolved from pairs of a relative handful of kinds just a few thousand years ago.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,01:43   

Quote (argystokes @ Jan. 07 2008,01:18)
Quote (Guts @ Jan. 06 2008,21:16)
Hmm, Richard, you think I'm not an evilutionist? I'm probably more of an evilutionist than you are.

Yeah, Dick, he believes that all the species evolved from pairs of a relative handful of kinds just a few thousand years ago.

Oooh! Suprise!

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Frostman



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,03:35   

Guts has not denied that he attempted to commit extortion by asking to me to a make false statement in exchange for lifting my ban at TT.

Guts still believes that holding an opinion that a particular quote is taken out of context is sufficient grounds for banning.

Guts has ratcheted up the rhetoric.  My rational arguments about why a particular quote by Paul Davies is taken out of context is now construed as "harassment".  Let Guts provide the exact post of mine which he claims may be so construed: he will find none.  He will find each and every post of mine at TT to be calmly and rationally presented.

Guts has still not made a public apology at TT commensurate with his public apology here (and his profuse private apology to me in email).

Guts has officially discarded what he said to me in email.  It is normally bad form to quote a private email, but by practicing historical revisionism Guts forces my hand.                                          
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Bradford only deleted 1 of your posts, per my instruction, I deleted the rest because I perceived the situation as a hostile reaction to Bradford's initial decision, for which I apologize to you. This goes for the rest of the deletions as well, all the rest of the deletions were my doing because of what I perceived as a hostile attack on Bradford, an attempt to circumvent his decision. Really you just felt that your posts were unjustly deleted out of existence, I would get mad at that as well.

Since I used a temporary gmail account for this exchange, I am prepared to hand over the account to a neutral party who will verify that the above words are authentic.

As I have stated several times now, the particulars of a disagreement are unimportant compared to the right to disagree in the first place.  At TT, there is no right to disagree.

That said, Guts may indeed see my point of view even though he asserts otherwise.  The gist of my argument was that the omission of the two sentences preceding the Davies quote in question produced an impression which was unfaithful to Davies' intended meaning.                                    
Quote (Guts @ email to Frostman)
Also, it doesn't even make sense in this situation to say he took it out of context, Bradford was not talking about Davies's intended meaning, but the reaction from various atheists on the internet to the one sentence.

Yes, you nailed it precisely, Guts.  Bradford was not talking about Davies' intended meaning.  That is exactly why the quote is taken out of context.  The number one rule in quoting is to be faithful to the intended meaning.  Thank you for clarifying.

Lest the conversation gets sidetracked on this, let me repeat again: the particulars of a disagreement are unimportant compared to the right to disagree in the first place.  My position is a rational one which deserves a place in a forum which values a free exchange of ideas.

Blog owners have a right to censor content on their blog.  However, an ethical problem occurs when censors try to pretend they are not censoring.

TT does not support a free exchange of ideas.  And that is fine.  But let us not pretend otherwise, okay Guts?

Guts, I am not writing here because I want you to lift my ban.  In reference to your mistakes which you have admitted both here at AE and to me in email, I want you to come clean.  This is your ethical (though not legal) obligation.  I shall conclude by repeating what I have said to you before in this regard:

TT readers have not been informed of what truly occurred.  Some TT readers may also read AE, but many do not.  The honest course of action is to tell them.

Your opinion of me and my position are unrelated to the ethical obligation in front of you.  You require nothing from me in order to fulfill that obligation.

You know what the right thing to do is.  Yet you will not do it.

Sincerely,
Frostman

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,09:00   

Oh dear. Is it Telic Tards or Tardic Thoughts?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,09:47   

http://telicthoughts.com/shermer-in-the-matrix-2/#more-1990

Oh dear.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,09:51   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 07 2008,10:47)
http://telicthoughts.com/shermer-in-the-matrix-2/#more-1990

Oh dear.

Sort of hard to ignore the uh... underlying ... um... envy of sorts... that seems to be the general tone of that substanceless post.

Just sayin'.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,10:04   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 07 2008,09:51)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 07 2008,10:47)
http://telicthoughts.com/shermer-in-the-matrix-2/#more-1990

Oh dear.

Sort of hard to ignore the uh... underlying ... um... envy of sorts... that seems to be the general tone of that substanceless post.

Just sayin'.

Yeah, reminded me of a 5year old just saying "it just is" over and over.

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,15:15   

*delurks*

Not to make Rich a fibber, I closed comments at my blog because it was starting to accumulate spam. but if Guts feels he can dig himself out of his hole better at Languedoc Diary than this den of ebola spredn' church burn'n iniquity, I will dust off the furniture and open up for him.

PM me if I can be of service.

*undelurks*

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,15:25   

Cheers Alan.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,16:58   

Just visited telic thoughts for the first time.  it looks like 50% of the threads are mike gene promoting mike gene's book.  

Funny how IDC blogs are all about selling products and have nothing science related to offer.  

"fossils? who needs them!"
"birth? the stork did it"
"hate homos, satanists and commies?  buy my ID sciency book!"

I need to find a way to cash in on the tard.  I should spend less time making fun of creationists and more time fleecing them!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2008,08:14   

I decided to utilize Dembski's Inference on the ancient conundrum of why the peanut butter always falls face down.

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Zachriel: Dembski's Inference: Oh my God. I knew it! I knew it! Demons are causing my peanut butter to always end up face down! Yuck!

Valerie has Bradford doing the Pirouette.

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Bradford: It's not a good means of refuting probability assesments. It's better suited to revealing causality.

Zachriel: In other words, it depends on our knowledge of the particulars. And if we are ignorant as to why certain patterns occur, the Inference may yield a false positive. Consequently, Dembski's Inference is unsound. Thanks!

Bradford: We also know that unequally weighted and formed objects would not be assessed the same way we would assess a perfectly symetrical coin, for example, in computing odds.

Zachriel: That's fine. Where in Dembski's formula do I find the falling dynamics of peanut butter sandwiches? It seems I have to already know the answer to work out the math.

Bradford: Where does Dembski imply that his methodology would be applicable to your attempted reduction to absurdity?

valerie: I'm not aware that Dembski has placed any limits on the scope of applicability of his methodology. Can you point us to any of his writings that establish such limits? Also, please explain why the methodology is applicable to flipped coins but not to falling slices of peanut-buttered bread.

Bradford: Why resort to a statistical analysis when explanations citing a physical cause are available.

valerie: Where did you get the idea that causal scenarios are outside the scope of statistical methods?

Bradford: Never said they were.


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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2008,11:56   

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Zachriel: we are faced with the unpleasant prospect of peanut butter demons or that Dembski's Inference is unsound.


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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2008,21:22   

Guts meowed
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What does scienticism mean again?


You know I was wondering the same damn thing!!!one!!!  Spooky, ain't it?




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