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Kris



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,08:10   

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For your information, most of humanity believes that a creator/designer is responsible for the universe and everything in it. Think of that when you're showing your hatred of ID/creationists.


Sorry, but it doesn't mean they're right, and it certainly doesn't mean some of them can distort science and lie about science to serve a political agenda...

Did I say that they're right or that it's ok for some of them to have a biased or dishonest political agenda?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,08:16   

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For your information, most of humanity believes that a creator/designer is responsible for the universe and everything in it. Think of that when you're showing your hatred of ID/creationists.


Hatred? HATRED? Dear Sweet FSM, if mocking the excesses of a vocal, politically bent minority of a minority of a minority of religious people equates to hatred, then I think you need to pull your head delicately from the deeper recesses of your rectum and get out in the real world. Speaking purely personally, I haven't got it in me to hate anything or anyone. Mocking/ignoring =/= hate. Perhaps you should learn that.

It might also help you to note that There are millions of people who read Pharyngula/PT/such sites on the web, a tiny subset of that who comment and neither of these categories are a) homogenous nor b) in universal agreement. Teating them as such is....I'll be generous....an error. Treating them as their if their "worst" exponents* are the best expression of their argument is....again with the generous....an error.** You know, just FYI. Any chance of anything serious from you yet? Or is all you have more outrage and bluster?

Louis

*Said "worst exponents" at the most are guilty of being exceptionally rude and stupid. I've yet to see one fly a plane into a building or shoot a medical doctor or what have you. And so help me, if you bring up Zombie Stalin or similar you will get a very impolite instruction to learn some fucking history.

**Interestingly, chuckling funsters like yourself are fond of false equivalences, so let me head you off at the pass. Yes indeed there are muppets who treat religious folks as if they are all fundamentalists, guess what, they are wrong. Shock horror.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,08:17   

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Any lurkers/non-lurkers taking Kris seriously


bwaahahahahahaha

ahaha

No.

fuck off and die kris.  you aren't even an interesting piece of shit

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,08:20   

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Any lurkers/non-lurkers taking Kris seriously


bwaahahahahahaha

ahaha

No.

fuck off and die kris.  you aren't even an interesting piece of shit

Oh come on. There might be some. Well, one. Maybe. You never know. I mean, weirder things have happened.

Louis

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,08:24   

Kris doesn't seem to understand that people can have opinions and still be strict scientists.

He also doesn't seem to understand that attitudes like his are the reason that science has poor PR.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,08:37   

Well if Kris wants to discuss science and PR, science itself, the "accomodationism vs Gnu Atheists" tone debacle (because it's rarely a debate), or any such thing, he is welcome to discuss it. I'm interested in all of them, for one. I'm sure there are also others here who would welcome a serious discussion to break up the LOLcats and dick jokes.*

I'm not sure Kris bouncing into the room and insulting everyone is the best way of achieving his stated goal of having this conversation, but then I remain unconvinced this IS his stated goal. He seems to me to be a GoP-like character, so convinced of his rightness, righteousness and chock full of false equivalences that it somehow justifies him acting like a moron. Still, I long for the day I am proven wrong about ostensible internet trolls like Kris. It's yet to come of course, but I still long for it.

Louis

*Guilty as charged, Your Honour....for the LOLcats and dick jokes I mean.

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Dale_Husband



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,08:57   

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Hmm, I didn't realize that asking flowersfriend some questions in a nice, sincere way was such a bad thing.

 
You were being nice and sincere?!  I didn't think so.    
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"OUR space"? "we"? Are you one of the owners of the Panda's Thumb website?

You say you don't paint the members of any group with the same brush and that you treasure the diversity of different people. You also say you have conservative, Christian, Jewish, and Muslim friends. Those people are all creationists, unless of course they have modified their belief system to accommodate the scientific theory of evolution, which also means that they're not really conservatives, Christians, Jews, or Muslims. I'm surprised that you have friends who have such contradictory belief systems. Why don't you think of them as dishonorable people? Is acceptance of the ToE your criteria for determining the honorable-ness of who may be worthy of being your friend?
What are you, FL in disguise? And since you obviously hate my standards, why continue to discuss them with you? Anything I say, you just throw it back at me with venom. That's what crazy people do.
 
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Actually, I'm surprised that you have any friends at all. Frankly, I doubt that you do, for real.  


How many friends do you have?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,10:04   

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He seems to me to be a GoP-like character...


Yes, Loki-troll is a possibility! I thought of trying the Khrushchev telegram technique but I see SD has already chimed in.

Kris, you are definitely losing the attention of the regulars here. Your comments have become repetitive and boring. You are risking the ultimate indignity of being ignored. There's no worse fate for the attention seeker.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,10:09   

Meh. He's an idiot, says nothing of interest and strokes himself when getting attention.

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,10:11   

Seriously, this "Wah, wah, wah, you're all big meanieheads" is very tiresome. Howzabout you go make your very blog where you can concern troll, kvetch, and otherwise not make your point to your heart's content?  What?  Not satisfying enough?

Most folks (who aren't terminally stupid, socially autistic, or just plain masochistic) have the good sense to leave the scene when they know their presence isn't wanted.

Which one are you, Kris?

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,10:24   

Kris,

For someone who claims to want rational conversation about things, you sure do run from any opportunity to engage in rational conversation.

I know, I know, big mean people are keeping you from doing what you really want to do.  It's terrible.  How about ignoring anything that's rude (actually rude, not just things you clam are rude to you know--avoid rational conversation) and starting a conversation on our terms?  It's what rational people the world over do.

Frankly, your behavior on this thread is your own worse enemy.  Prove me wrong by actually seeming to give a crap about conversation.

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,10:31   

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What the fuck is he talking about? Well, a couple of posts ago he demonstrated that some of your rants are direct Copy/Pasta of some other rants you (or someone else) posted elsewhere.

That's very funny, I think.

And Kris, about the last paragraph in your quoted post: science never had very good PR. And you know what? Science doesn't give a flying fuck!

Actually, he didn't show any such thing. I copied and pasted what Dale says about his alleged honorable skepticism. What's wrong with that? Dale's the one who says exactly the same thing on several sites.


It's funny that you say science doesn't give a flying fuck about PR. I guess that means that you and most of the people on sites like this one, Panda's Thumb, Pharyngula, etc., aren't representatives of science.

What is your motive for bashing ID/creationists here or anywhere else? Is it just so that you can vent your hatred of ID/creationists? Is it to promote science? Is it to get people to shun religion and become more interested in science?

Ya see, if you're not interested in the PR of science, then you must be here just to bitch about religion/creationism/ID. Apparently that's why most people must be here.

If scientists want the public to care about and trust science they should be concerned about PR. You guys are wasting your time if you think that just bitching about religion/creationism/ID is going to accomplish anything positive for science. With an attitude like yours it's no wonder that religion is more popular than science.

Speaking for myself, I basicaly do it for the lulz.

But nobody here bashes the IDists/creationists that act with civility. At best, we bash the stupidity they are spewing, but not the guys themselves.

But when they become uncivil, or clearly irrational (IBIG, Floyd Lee, JoeG...) because cornered and unable to answer to simple questions, then we start bashing them. Why would we do otherwise when they come here and crap all over the carpet?

This is one of the reasons I proposed you start this discussion again presenting your point or queries without getting all ad hominem and stuff.

And you failed to do that, you failed to show a tinsy bit of backbone by starting a real discussion. if you have issues with Dale, resolve them thru private messages, but you should in this here venue try and discuss what you said you wanted to discuss: science.

If you continue on this same line you've been holding so far, the shitstorm will continue and you will be sure to get nailed to the cross (if only by numbers alone).

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,10:49   

It took all night (that's what she said) but I finished a poll of every visitor to the Panda's Thumb in the last 6 months.

The qwestion was:  Do you take Kwis sewiouswy?

Drum woll pwease!!!!

NO:  7,284,443

YES:  0

It appears that Kwis voted against himself, pwobabwy because he didn't understand the question.

Poo widdle Kwis!

(Heh, heh, she said "widdle!"  Srsly, that's what she said.)

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,11:59   

well on the other hand he is good for something.

shit stains, blast them with piss

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,12:57   

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Any lurkers/non-lurkers taking Kris seriously


bwaahahahahahaha

ahaha

No.

fuck off and die kris.  you aren't even an interesting piece of shit

Oh come on. There might be some. Well, one. Maybe. You never know. I mean, weirder things have happened.

Louis

I have several conference abstracts on turds. They are far more interesting than krissy-poo.

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tsig



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,13:19   

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Any lurkers/non-lurkers taking Kris seriously


bwaahahahahahaha

ahaha

No.

fuck off and die kris.  you aren't even an interesting piece of shit

I wouldn't use it to fertilize my garden.

  
Dale_Husband



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,13:42   

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I find it interesting that you think I'm "defending" religious people and creationists. That you and others think that way makes me realize that you're twisting what I actually say into something different than what I actually say because of your own biases.


Or maybe we are reacting the way we do because we have normal minds and find your inconsistency just incomprehensible.

   
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Few to none of you seem to understand me. Of course you'll assume it must be my fault, but first take a look around this site. What do you see? I see a bunch of people with pretty much the same attitude about certain things they don't like. I also see a bunch of people with pretty much the same attitude about certain things they do like. In other words, clones.

Anything or anyone who doesn't fit into the belief system here is instantly and automatically attacked and treated as the enemy. They MUST be an evil creationist troll! Off with their head!

Hmm, that sounds just like the way some religions treat people who don't adhere to their belief system. In fact, it sounds a lot like Muslim extremists. Infidels! Off with their heads!


We have a community here with shared values, yes. But I don't recall anyone saying they wanted to execute people for being Creationist. What stupid hyperbole!

   
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Think about it, and think about this too:

Everything said on this site, or on Panda's Thumb, or Pharyngula, etc., is available to read by anyone who wants to. When someone comes here and makes their first comment they likely have already read some or a lot of the stuff said here. Just because that person is new to you doesn't mean they're new to the site. What you people say here may make some people happy but it may also incite some people to respond in a way that you won't like.

Try putting a billboard in your front yard with something controversial or insulting on it. See what happens when your neighbors and the community see it or hear of it. Don't be surprised when some people respond in a way you don't like. This site is more accessible to more people than your front yard.


You are merely stating the blatantly obvious. That's called empty rhetoric.

   
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Ya know, if I were a creationist troll, as I've been accused of being, it would be real easy to cause all kinds of malicious trouble here. You people are so easy to figure out and you're very predictable.


You mean you'd be even WORSE than you are now?

   
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In case you're wondering, I'm not a worshiper of science or religion. I like science, good science that is, a lot, but I don't see it as something to worship or believe 'in'. I'm practical and skeptical but I'm also open minded about some things. To me, being skeptical isn't just about religion. It's about science too and maybe even more so than religion. Religion is mostly pretty easy to figure out and it usually doesn't change much or very quickly. Science is a lot more complicated than religion and there are a lot of new claims and/or changes on a daily basis. Nature is a lot more complicated than science, so I'm skeptical about any claim science makes about nature. I don't just automatically believe anything or everything some scientist says, no matter who they are.

It's because I like science that it pisses me off when it's done badly. Some of the shit in science should never happen and I wish more scientists were more concerned with cleaning up the messes in science than they are in fighting against religion. If science were strong enough, and made more accessible, understandable, interesting, and enjoyable to the masses, religious zealots wouldn't be as big a problem.


Gee, you say all the right things, but your track record shows that you pick fights over the silliest things, like whether or not certain woodpeckers are extinct. Why not talk about really important issues like the misuse of science for military purposes?

I have written about the importance of peer review and skepticism in science.  It's standard procedure among scientists, including those who study evolution. You seem to think we believe the opposite, which is a falsehood.

Natural selection and the scientific peer review process.

So what the hell are you griping about???


   
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Just one thing I'd really like to see:

TV stations/networks with good science and nature shows on 24/7, on free TV (not just cable or satellite) in as many countries, states, and cities as possible. Some of the shows could be aimed at children, in the appropriate time slots. Religious zealots have some of their shows on 24/7 on free TV (and on cable and satellite). Why can't science do the same thing? To reach a bigger audience requires a bigger effort.



Nice. So why aren't you working harder for that instead of bitching so much at us?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2011,16:50   

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Any lurkers/non-lurkers taking Kris seriously


bwaahahahahahaha

ahaha

No.

fuck off and die kris.  you aren't even an interesting piece of shit

Oh come on. There might be some. Well, one. Maybe. You never know. I mean, weirder things have happened.

Louis

I have several conference abstracts on turds. They are far more interesting than krissy-poo.

I don't doubt it.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,00:28   

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For your information, most of humanity believes that a creator/designer is responsible for the universe and everything in it.

Argumentam ad populam fallacy.  Reality, last time I checked, is not a consensual construct that changes if only enough people believes something.

If six billion people believe a thing that is counter to factual data, it is still counter-factual.  Popularity's got nothing to do with it.  No matter how hard you believe you can fly, gravity will win if you leap off a tall building.  Closing your eyes and wishing will not render the oblate spheroid into a flat surface, round or otherwise.  This is pretty basic stuff.

Try again, please, without using a red herring that is not actually under dispute.


The MadPanda, FCD

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Kris



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,19:20   

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For your information, most of humanity believes that a creator/designer is responsible for the universe and everything in it.

Argumentam ad populam fallacy.  Reality, last time I checked, is not a consensual construct that changes if only enough people believes something.

If six billion people believe a thing that is counter to factual data, it is still counter-factual.  Popularity's got nothing to do with it.  No matter how hard you believe you can fly, gravity will win if you leap off a tall building.  Closing your eyes and wishing will not render the oblate spheroid into a flat surface, round or otherwise.  This is pretty basic stuff.

Try again, please, without using a red herring that is not actually under dispute.


The MadPanda, FCD

Nice try, but you quoted me out of context, which makes your comments irrelevant to what I said.

And hey, you might want to consider that Argumentam ad populam thing when you and others here think you're right just because you agree with each other.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,19:28   

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Hmm, I didn't realize that asking flowersfriend some questions in a nice, sincere way was such a bad thing.

 
You were being nice and sincere?!  I didn't think so.      
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"OUR space"? "we"? Are you one of the owners of the Panda's Thumb website?

You say you don't paint the members of any group with the same brush and that you treasure the diversity of different people. You also say you have conservative, Christian, Jewish, and Muslim friends. Those people are all creationists, unless of course they have modified their belief system to accommodate the scientific theory of evolution, which also means that they're not really conservatives, Christians, Jews, or Muslims. I'm surprised that you have friends who have such contradictory belief systems. Why don't you think of them as dishonorable people? Is acceptance of the ToE your criteria for determining the honorable-ness of who may be worthy of being your friend?
What are you, FL in disguise? And since you obviously hate my standards, why continue to discuss them with you? Anything I say, you just throw it back at me with venom. That's what crazy people do.
     
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Actually, I'm surprised that you have any friends at all. Frankly, I doubt that you do, for real.  


How many friends do you have?

Did you sneak out of your padded cell and get online with the asylum's computer again Dale? Shame on you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,19:39   

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*snip*

Yawn.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,19:48   

Kris, I'm just curious, why are you on this thread whining, when you could be on another thread talking about your notions (whatever it is that they are)?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,19:50   

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Well, at least I have consistent standards of honor and do my best to live up to them, no matter the cost.

You, on the other hand, seem to have NO standards whatsoever. All you ever have is hate for the rest of humanity.
     
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Aren't you the one who preaches tolerance and acceptance of, and friendship with, people from various groups?

"Part of my being honorable is refusing to paint the members of any group, whether political, religious, or national, with the same brush. My friends include all kinds of people, such as conservatives, liberals, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Athiests, Americans, Europeans, Asians, Austrailians, meat-eaters and vegetarians. That diversity I deeply treasure."

Aren't those your words Dale? Were you lying when you typed them? If you're so friendly toward religious people, why do you constantly bash religious Creationists, religious ID-ists, Muslims, Christians, etc.?

Let's take a look at your claim about how "honorable" you are:

"An Honorable Skeptic

This is my ethical philosophy that I always express everywhere I may go.

I am a skeptic by nature.  I question everything I see, not taking what I am told at face value, but demanding proof, evidence, and corroborations before I accept something as true. Thus, when I am told by liberals that there was a conspiracy of American government officials involved in the terrorist attacks of 9-11, I am skeptical. If I am told by liberals that atrocities were committed in either Afganistan or Iraq by American forces against civilians, I am skeptical. If I am told by conservatives that tax cuts are a way to help the economy grow and that tax hikes hurt the economy, I am skeptical. If I am told by conservatives that the War in Iraq was justified even though no Weapons of Mass Destruction were found there even after being told before that they were there, I am VERY skeptical of that!!! When it comes to skepticism, I don’t discriminate politically! I doubt everything!

Another thing I am adamant about is my sense of honor, which I hold more dear to me than my life. It allows for no exceptions whatsoever. So if I have lost friends or even made enemies for standing up for my honor, so be it. If I see someone who comes across to me as a liar, a bully, or just plain rude and stupid, then I usually try to fight back. If I see someone doing or saying things that damage the credibility of the causes I happen to believe in, I deeply take offense at that because I want those causes to be protected, even at the expense of picking fights with those who are unworthy to support those causes. I beleive in absolute standards of right and wrong and so I see no point in ever excusing something that is wrong because the wrongdoer is otherwise a friendly or nice guy. That’s how corruption sets in.

Part of my being honorable is refusing to paint the members of any group, whether political, religious, or national, with the same brush. My friends include all kinds of people, such as conservatives, liberals, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Athiests, Americans, Europeans, Asians, Austrailians, meat-eaters and vegetarians. That diversity I deeply treasure. Once I recognize that another soul is honorable, no matter what else may be true of that person, I embrace him as a brother. But if I discover a fellow American, a fellow agnostic, a fellow liberal, or a fellow chess player to be dishonorable in his behavior, he becomes my enemy, period. I distrust and shun him like I would a leper.

Because I am honorable, I sometimes willingly concede points made by my opponents in debates with them. This should never be seen as a sign of weakness. When I know I am right about something, I will fight like a pit bull to prove my case and defeat my opponent because in some cases I do see my battles here as a struggle between light and darkness, good and evil, ignorance and knowledge. But I am also willing at times to listen to my opponent and consider his point of view, especially if that person is known by me to be honorable. If we do not listen to others, how can we ever grow in knowledge?

No matter how great the pressure, I feel that one must never “sell out”. It is being able to stand up to the urge to conform to the shallow desires and priorites of others who have a limited vision that makes one truly heroic. I choose my friends according to my ideals; I never bend my ideals for the sake of keeping friends."

Your "ideals" are rooted in insanity, hypocrisy, dishonesty, malignant narcissism, and bigotry, and you're a legend in your own mind.

Oh, and I don't think your link to Pharyngula is about me. Better luck next time Mr. Dishonorable Wacko.

You have "consistent standards of honor"?? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only things consistent about you are your insanity, hypocrisy, bigotry, malignant narcissism, dishonesty, lack of honor, and hatred of anyone who doesn't kiss your ass and agree with everything you say or believe in.

For your information, most of humanity believes that a creator/designer is responsible for the universe and everything in it. Think of that when you're showing your hatred of ID/creationists.

Here's the entire context of your post.  What context did MP conflate please?

Are you saying that we have to be careful because if we don't say the things they want to here, then they'll riot and kill us with overwhelming numbers?

Or is it something else?

I think you're wrong.  I'm pretty sure MPs statement of your fallacy is correct.

See ya.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,20:11   

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For your information, most of humanity believes that a creator/designer is responsible for the universe and everything in it.

Argumentam ad populam fallacy.  Reality, last time I checked, is not a consensual construct that changes if only enough people believes something.

If six billion people believe a thing that is counter to factual data, it is still counter-factual.  Popularity's got nothing to do with it.  No matter how hard you believe you can fly, gravity will win if you leap off a tall building.  Closing your eyes and wishing will not render the oblate spheroid into a flat surface, round or otherwise.  This is pretty basic stuff.

Try again, please, without using a red herring that is not actually under dispute.


The MadPanda, FCD

Nice try, but you quoted me out of context, which makes your comments irrelevant to what I said.

And hey, you might want to consider that Argumentam ad populam thing when you and others here think you're right just because you agree with each other.

(eyeroll)

You really aren't very good at this, are you, son?


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,20:29   

obvious whore is obvious

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,20:48   

I'm sad that no one commented on my haiku about Kris.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,20:52   

In all candor, O Cybertank, such an effort is casting pearls before a brick wall...

Wait.  JoeyKris is even less appreciative and observant than that.  Hold on.  Let me get my thesaurus rex.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,20:55   

Quote (MadPanda, FCD @ Jan. 24 2011,20:52)
In all candor, O Cybertank, such an effort is casting pearls before a brick wall...

Wait.  JoeyKris is even less appreciative and observant than that.  Hold on.  Let me get my thesaurus rex.


The MadPanda, FCD

BTW: Post for you in the Science Break Thread.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2011,21:12   

Pour moi?  M'sieur is too kind...


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