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millipj



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,12:57   

Saw this on the Guardian site. You may already have seen it but it is so breathtaking in its dishonesty that it is worth a browse if not
     
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A website founded by US religious activists aims to counter what they claim is "liberal bias" on Wikipedia, the open encyclopedia which has become one of the most popular sites on the web. The founders of Conservapedia.com say their site offers a "much-needed alternative" to Wikipedia, which they say is "increasingly anti-Christian and anti-American".

Compare and contrast
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Dinosaurs
Wikipedia,
"Vertebrate animals that dominated terrestrial ecosystems for over 160m years, first appearing approximately 230m years ago."

Conservapedia
"They are mentioned in numerous places throughout the Good Book. For example, the behemoth in Job and the leviathan in Isaiah are almost certainly references to dinosaurs."

US Democratic party

Wikipedia
"The party advocates civil liberties, social freedoms, equal rights, equal opportunity, fiscal responsibility, and a free enterprise system tempered by government intervention."

Conservapedia
"The Democrat voting record reveals a true agenda of cowering to terrorism, treasonous anti-Americanism, and contempt for America's founding principles."

and of course the quotemine filled
Evolution
and
Intelligent Design
   
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Intelligent Design is the theory that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause (God), rather than natural processes, such as evolution. [1]

To date there have been over 40 peer reviewed articles supporting Intelligent Design in such notable publications as the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington and internationally respected scientific journals such as Rivista di Biologia. [2]

  
Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,13:08   

This is just a rip off of Wikiality.

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,14:06   

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....ves.php

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,17:29   

Heheh.

I just went exploring there at Fundipedia myself.

Rant

Something pretty funny I found

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jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,18:03   

Quote (millipj @ Mar. 02 2007,12:57)
... internationally respected scientific journals such as Rivista di Biologia.

mmmfff...

Hahahahahaha!    :D

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,18:45   

yeah, that's like saying:

internationaly respected author: Ann Coulter.

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,18:50   

Or like calling Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dembski the Isaac Newton of Information Theory?

  
Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,19:54   

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In Christian discourse, the name Jesus almost always refers specifically to Jesus of Nazareth, believed by Christian followers to be God's dad, who came to earth as a human c 2 AD. However, God has recently revealed on His blog that Jesus is actually His nephew, not His son.

  
phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,22:52   

I'm very upset. They took down the cactus page, which was an obvious case of vandalism, but it was so funny that it was just classic.

It's still pretty good though.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Cactus

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Cactus

Cactus is the collective term for plants from the Cactaceae family. They typically grow in hot desert enviorments.


edit: Found it

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/02/26/conservapedias_entry.html

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The secularist view of the Cactaceae is that they are roughly two million years old, and that they have evolved exclusively in the new world. This view fails to explain, however, how it is that the Opuntia genus is native to the island of Opus, near Greece. Cacti are known for their high content of alkaloids, and have often been used in the sacramental rights of the Native Americans. Because of this, the early Catholic missionaries in the west thought the plants to be the work of Satan, and this is perhaps a preferable view to that of materialistic evolution since it is difficult to imagine how something like mescaline could have evolved by natural selection. Besides that, the psychoactive content of many cacti have inspired the writings of such ungodly men as Aldous Huxley and Albert Hoffman.

Several species of cactus are now endangered in the west due to "poaching" by collectors and invasive species. But, since Genesis suggests that man has been given dominion over all of the earth, the environmentalist concerns on this note are entirely inappropriate. It may also be that environmentalists, in addition to flauting the Word of God, are merely concerned about the effects that declining cactus populations will have on their supply of mescaline.


They didn't have the full text that stated the theory of intelligent design would hold that the Native American belief that their ancestors inhabited cacti and caused them to grow was a better explanation than Darwinism. I wish I could find the full text.

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2007,23:05   

http://www.conservapedia.com/Copernicus

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The reception to his work was initially positive within the Catholic Church (contrary to popular belief, Galileo was not persecuted for supporting the Copernican theory, but because he was disrespectful to the Pope). However, the reaction was negative among Protestants who felt it conflicted with some literal interpretations of the Bible, such as the account of how Joshua benefited from the sun standing still as it passed over the earth. "And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day." Joshua 10:13. But there were few Protestants in Poland then (or now), and Copernicus died without much controversy. To this day, most Protestant countries reject the Copernican theory.


http://www.conservapedia.com/Descartes

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Renee Descartes was a French philosopher, probably the greatest philosopher of all time (although Kant, Aristotle and Ayn Rand also lay claim to this title).

Descartes locked himself in a stove and meditated, arriving at the unsurprising conclusion that nothing existed. He then used Anselm's proof of the existence of God to decide that perhaps he wasn't deluded, and perhaps things did exist after all. He thought the soul lived in the pineal gland, and when you lift your arm it's just an accident because your brain doesn't control your body, God does. This "god-robot" theory of consciousness got him into ferocious arguments with Hobbes, but then Hobbes loved a good argument and was usually wrong.


http://www.conservapedia.com/Kant

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Kant's own suggestion for a moral daily life was the categorical imperative: Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law. Expressed another way, an act is moral only if it works as a rule for everyone. For example, littering would be wrong because if everyone did it, then there would be an ugly mess. On the other hand, if a murderer asks you where someone is hiding, you should always tell them because lying is wrong.


http://www.conservapedia.com/Francis_Bacon

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A scientist during the Age of Exploration who lived from 1561 to 1626 and promoted research based on experimentation. Bacon was, notoriously, a confirmed bachelor throughout his life. He was however, one of the strange bachelors. One who got married. As can be seen from the illustration, Bacon (like most men of his time) had a beard. Despite this, he was known to also wear a hat.


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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,10:06   

Linked from the evolution article at Fundipedia, a whole passel of quoteminey goodness at CreationWiki.

Lots of fun.

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,12:35   

Quote (phonon @ Mar. 02 2007,23:05)
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A scientist during the Age of Exploration who lived from 1561 to 1626 and promoted research based on experimentation. Bacon was, notoriously, a confirmed bachelor throughout his life. He was however, one of the strange bachelors. One who got married. As can be seen from the illustration, Bacon (like most men of his time) had a beard. Despite this, he was known to also wear a hat.

This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. bachelor? beard? hat? relevancy to the topic? what the he11?

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,13:00   

Quote (lkeithlu @ Mar. 04 2007,12:35)
Quote (phonon @ Mar. 02 2007,23:05)
 
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A scientist during the Age of Exploration who lived from 1561 to 1626 and promoted research based on experimentation. Bacon was, notoriously, a confirmed bachelor throughout his life. He was however, one of the strange bachelors. One who got married. As can be seen from the illustration, Bacon (like most men of his time) had a beard. Despite this, he was known to also wear a hat.

This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. bachelor? beard? hat? relevancy to the topic? what the he11?

I think this confirms the theory that it's mostly homeschooled 13-year-olds who write their entries.

I'm inevitably reminded of this.

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Mike PSS



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,15:03   

This is so bad funny good insane that I'm crying laughing projectile spitting out my nose writing my congressman.

I'm totally confused with these articles.

I say "drink".

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,17:08   

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I say "drink".


show me... drink!

*ding*

number one answer!

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,20:54   

It's like I want to change my handle to "God Robot."

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,21:27   

Har-Har

http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:The_Theory_of_Evolution

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snoeman



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,08:00   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 04 2007,21:27)
Har-Har

http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:The_Theory_of_Evolution

From the "Seriously Flawed, Pt. 2" section:

 
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This is the first entry I checked out to see what Conservapedia was like, and to see if it's really the quality source it claims to be. Sadly, it is not. What a terrible, unscientific, irrational, and ideological understanding of the Theory of Evolution. Conservatives should be ashamed to have this be a representation of Conservative understanding of scientific issues. Thoughtful conservatives who want the straight science of evolution need to look elsewhere. I won't be back.


The conservative view of scientific issues? Even though this entry correctly summarizes the, uh, quality of the evolution article, it's nonetheless a bit saddening.  The fact that there is an expectation that our best method of understanding our world is subject to view through the lens of political ideology is unsurprising, but still saddening.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,09:28   

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... internationally respected scientific journals such as Rivista di Biologia.


Most notable for being the only journal in the world that will print Davison's articles anymore...

 
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The conservative view of scientific issues? Even though this entry correctly summarizes the, uh, quality of the evolution article, it's nonetheless a bit saddening.  The fact that there is an expectation that our best method of understanding our world is subject to view through the lens of political ideology is unsurprising, but still saddening.


Not surprising indeed. It reminds me of how the USSR had 'Marxist science' and Nazi Germany had 'National Socialist science'. Now we essentially have 'Republican Biology', 'Republican Climatology', 'Republican Geology', etc. They're getting more and more willing to reject all mainstream science to do this. All part of this 21st century American notion that ALL reality is political, and that 'truth' belongs to whoever argues the most belligerently.

One could also write a whole book on this modern day compulsion of American conservatives to carve out their own whole parallel little wingnut-friendly world for themselves, when they can't shape the real world to their own specifications. (The extreme of this are those nutters who want to form their own little fundy republic in South Carolina.) Can't help but wonder how far that trend will go.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,14:01   

Aaarrrgh. How the heck do you set yourself up as a user on stupidpedia? It says: click the .... lower left of your screen.

That part's got nothing. Like their genetalia I suppose. Hmmphff.

Can anyone supply a link to that page? The one where you actually create an account. That is NOT the same page where you log in, even though it says it is. Grrrr.

Has it occurred to anyone here that they are successfully creating an alternate reality for their minions to be free in?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,15:31   

Quote (BWE @ Mar. 05 2007,14:01)
Aaarrrgh. How the heck do you set yourself up as a user on stupidpedia? It says: click the .... lower left of your screen.

That part's got nothing. Like their genetalia I suppose. Hmmphff.

Can anyone supply a link to that page? The one where you actually create an account. That is NOT the same page where you log in, even though it says it is. Grrrr.

Has it occurred to anyone here that they are successfully creating an alternate reality for their minions to be free in?

I did notice this, if you click on the "propose a change" link:

 
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No 'join up' on the login page?
I had to email the Eagle Forums, and they kindly signed me up.


so, sounds like they are now filtering exactly who gets to create an account.

shocker.

oh, btw, here is the wall of "shame":

http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Ipblocklist

I wonder if there is anybody yet who has their handle here, and has also been banned from UD AND AIG.  

wouldn't that be like winning the trifecta?

I do note there are no Church-burnin' Ebola-boys on that list.

we're slackin'.

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steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,16:52   

Quote (BWE @ Mar. 05 2007,21:01)
Aaarrrgh. How the heck do you set yourself up as a user on stupidpedia? It says: click the .... lower left of your screen.

That part's got nothing. Like their genetalia I suppose. Hmmphff.

Can anyone supply a link to that page? The one where you actually create an account. That is NOT the same page where you log in, even though it says it is. Grrrr.

Has it occurred to anyone here that they are successfully creating an alternate reality for their minions to be free in?

I copied the last bit of the signup URL of wikipedia to the end of a conservapedia one and got this:

   
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You are not allowed to create an account

To be allowed to create accounts in this Wiki you have to log in and have the appropriate permissions.

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,17:25   

IOW, to be able to log-in you have to uh, log-in.

perfect.

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steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,17:37   

From conservapedia:

News:  
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"Editing Wikipedia is no longer a viable approach," says a Conservapedia contributor in England's Guardian.

from the grauniad:
 
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"I've tried editing Wikipedia, and found that the biased editors who dominate it censor or change facts to suit their views," Andy Schlafly, the founder of Conservapedia, told the Guardian. "In one case my factual edits were removed within 60 seconds - so editing Wikipedia is no longer a viable approach."

  
steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,17:59   

Also from the News section:
 
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Wired News has a story on Conservapedia here.

That wired news is almost entirely about how everyone is taking the piss. However at the end

 
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Conservapedia has fallen victim to countless attacks. One entry in particular has gotten a great deal of attention: the page about a tree-dwelling mollusk called the Pacific Northwest arboreal octopus.

Schlafly is amused by the page and its references to the endangered species falling victim to the ravages of logging and suburban encroachment. He sees it as a parody of environmentalists, and he plans to leave it up.

"Conservatives have a sense of humor, too," he says.


The entry on the arboreal octopus reads:  
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At the request of its original author, this entry no longer exists here. You are welcome to visit other entries on Conservapedia.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,22:23   

Re "The conservative view of scientific issues? Even though this entry correctly summarizes the, uh, quality of the evolution article, it's nonetheless a bit saddening.  The fact that there is an expectation that our best method of understanding our world is subject to view through the lens of political ideology is unsurprising, but still saddening."

Well, there's a guy on another BB who labels everything he dislikes as "liberal", and everything he likes as "conservative", regardless of whether doing so makes any sense or not.

Henry

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,23:14   

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Well, there's a guy on another BB who labels everything he dislikes as "liberal", and everything he likes as "conservative", regardless of whether doing so makes any sense or not.


weren't we just talking about Coulter on another thread?

;)

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,09:50   

From Jesus' General:
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2007_03....9675985

http://www.conservapedia.com/Bonobos

Those immoral Bonobos.
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Bonobos
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Bonobos, or "pigmy chimpanzees", are an endangered[1] ape species in the genus Pan (the only other being the common chimp). Bonobos are more peaceful and social than the common chimpanzee. Bonobos share about 98% of their DNA with humans and slightly more than the common chimpanzee shares with humans.[2] Unlike many other apes, they walk upright a signficant fraction of the time.
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Anatomy and Behavior

Females are smaller than males but unlike in many other ape species the female hierarchy of dominance matters more than that of the males. Bonobos pass the mirror test and have facial expressions close enough to those of humans such that humans can often recognize what emotion a bonobo is expressing. [2] Individual bonobos also have very different facial features such that humans can easily differentiate one bonobo from another.

Proponents of evolutionary psychology often point to bonobos as examples of an evolutionary adaptation in which a species acquired the strategy of bartering sex to enhance social status or to resolve disputes[3]. Homosexual activists haved cite bonobos as examples of animals who perform homosexual acts[4][5] . The National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), a group which believes that homosexuality is a mental disorder that can be cured argues the bonobo behavior is is not sexual but rather are aggressive acts to assert dominance much like when a dog mounts a person's leg[6].


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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,14:42   

Re "weren't we just talking about Coulter on another thread?"

Undoubtedly, since that name seems to come up on a lot of threads. :p

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,17:14   

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Schlafly is amused by the page and its references to the endangered species falling victim to the ravages of logging and suburban encroachment. He sees it as a parody of environmentalists, and he plans to leave it up.

"Conservatives have a sense of humor, too," he says.


Yeah, like when Ann Coulter joked about putting rat poison in Judge Souter's creme brulee. That was a regular laff riot. :D

I kept expecting Dembski to report her to the Department of Homeland Security, but oddly it never happened. :O

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